Post by: therat on July 03, 2007, 07:19:35 AM
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Thanks nintendo! keep lying to us kiddies! I dont know how i feel about all this lack of nintendo online. they shouldnt even put wifi on the wii and sold it for 100$.
Post by: Kairon on July 03, 2007, 07:26:58 AM
Thank you for not wasting your time and instead making the best game you can.
~Me
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on July 03, 2007, 07:30:59 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 03, 2007, 07:33:09 AM
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That was the only thing that would have made me consider buying it.
I may not have finished either Prime or Echoes myself, but I know a non-believer when I see one.
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Post by: Requiem on July 03, 2007, 08:18:44 AM
Does noone like to read a compelling book these days? Or watch a heroic movie by yourself? Why are games so different, especially one that focuses on a LONELY bounty hunter?!
I say good riddance(sp?)!
Post by: TrueNerd on July 03, 2007, 08:25:14 AM
But seriously, Nintendo/Retro has been saying there wasn't going to be multiplayer in this game for over a year now. This shouldn't surprise anyone even a little.
Just think about it though! Retro has spent the better part of the last three years crafting/refining this game, and likely cramming in more detail, more art, more lighting effects, and more AWESOME into this game, we probably won't see this stuff again until Retro makes another Wii game.
It gives me chills. The good kind.
Post by: Strell on July 03, 2007, 08:26:32 AM
1) Nintendo never said it would come. It was theorized by game journalists when it was no longer a launch title and through some nebulous remarks by Reggie that said more or less "I can't tell you what Retro is doing."
2) Who cares. Focus on the single player. If you want an online shooter so bad, let the FPS muscle that is Retro be flexed in a completely new IP.
Christ people if you want Halo 3 go buy a damn 360. The Wii aint neva' gon' have it.
Post by: Mashiro on July 03, 2007, 08:29:13 AM
They said they wanted to maintain all focus on the single player elements to make sure the game could be as good as it was ever going to be. That's all that matters to me and hey it's a metroid game, it's ALL about the single player experience anyway.
Edit: The only games I will truly be mad at for not being online will be SSBB and the next Mario Kart. So long as MP3 delivers a fantastic one player experience I will be happy.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 03, 2007, 08:43:26 AM
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That was the only thing that would have made me consider buying it.
Same. Nintendo just sold me a copy of Redsteel 2.
I don't intend to buy a 360 or Halo because I despise the filth that is microsoft, but beyond that, analogue controller-driven FPSes suck a whole pile of sweaty ass.
I want a Wiimote-driven online FPS. I don't care that it's not Metroid. The first company to make one will have my $50 on launch, guaranteed.
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 03, 2007, 08:55:45 AM
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I don't intend to buy a 360 or Halo because I despise the filth that is microsoft, but beyond that, analogue controller-driven FPSes suck a whole pile of sweaty ass.
I want a Wiimote-driven online FPS. I don't care that it's not Metroid. The first company to make one will have my $50 on launch, guaranteed.
QFT.
I really don't understand why everyone is so anti-online. It's not the greatest thing in the world but it sure gives you more bang for your buck and more of a reason to pick up the game and play after the single player has been conquered. Since when is getting more for your money a bad thing? For years and years and years PC game shave included online multi and it carried those games well beyond a normal life-cycle of a game with that single feature.
Post by: Kairon on July 03, 2007, 08:56:05 AM
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I don't intend to buy a 360 or Halo because I despise the filth that is microsoft, but beyond that, analogue controller-driven FPSes suck a whole pile of sweaty ass.
I want a Wiimote-driven online FPS. I don't care that it's not Metroid. The first company to make one will have my $50 on launch, guaranteed.
QFT.
I really don't understand why everyone is so anti-online. It's not the greatest thing in the world but it sure gives you more bang for your buck and more of a reason to pick up the game and play after the single player has been conquered. Since when is getting more for your money a bad thing? For years and years and years PC game shave included online multi and it carried those games well beyond a normal life-cycle of a game with that single feature.
We're not anti-online. It's just that Metroid Prime is SO GOD-AWFUL not suited for online at all. (The Metroid universe though...?)
We want to see online done right, not shoe-horned in to become a half-hearted bullet point on a meaningless feature list. And... *shrug* that means no online for Metroid Prime 3.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 03, 2007, 08:59:39 AM
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I really don't understand why everyone is so anti-online. It's not the greatest thing in the world but it sure gives you more bang for your buck and more of a reason to pick up the game and play after the single player has been conquered.
Don't get me wrong, or any of us wrong, I don't feel we're 'anti-online' but remember Retro said they cut out the multiplayer aspect to pretty much get the single player aspect as perfect as they can.
So I am happy about no online just because it is guaranteeing a better single player experience. It would be different if they just said "Well we don't like multiplayer so we said screw it this time around", they just want to make the best Matroid experience they can and that's all about single player.
I'm sure an awesome FPS will come along and be online for Wii and I too will buy it but I am not upset that MP3 isn't that game.
Post by: Kairon on July 03, 2007, 09:00:53 AM
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I personally loved Hunters because it gave me the chance to not only play with but TALK TO fellow PGC forumers. Sadly, not many people here will likely buy RS2 so I'll have a smaller pool to draw from.
I will!
You know I will!
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I will!
Yes, I know.
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 03, 2007, 09:02:34 AM
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I really don't understand why everyone is so anti-online. It's not the greatest thing in the world but it sure gives you more bang for your buck and more of a reason to pick up the game and play after the single player has been conquered.
Don't get me wrong, or any of us wrong, I don't feel we're 'anti-online' but remember Retro said they cut out the multiplayer aspect to pretty much get the single player aspect as perfect as they can.
So I am happy about no online just because it is guaranteeing a better single player experience. It would be different if they just said "Well we don't like multiplayer so we said screw it this time around", they just want to make the best Matroid experience they can and that's all about single player.
I'm sure an awesome FPS will come along and be online for Wii and I too will buy it but I am not upset that MP3 isn't that game.
I would've gladly waited a few more months to have online multiplayer.
EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not some sort of casual Metroid fan. I am a strong supporter of the series and have played and beat every single Metroid game to ever come out. I just don't see how you can't build multiplayer into the game. Sure the game's focus is around flying solo, but that doesn't really have anything to do with a multiplayer portion of the game. Had Nintendo delayed the game for a few more months and included online multiplayer I'm sure they would've moved a few more copies of the game and satisfied a much larger crowd than just the niche Nintendo fan.
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I really don't understand why everyone is so anti-online. It's not the greatest thing in the world but it sure gives you more bang for your buck and more of a reason to pick up the game and play after the single player has been conquered.
Don't get me wrong, or any of us wrong, I don't feel we're 'anti-online' but remember Retro said they cut out the multiplayer aspect to pretty much get the single player aspect as perfect as they can.
So I am happy about no online just because it is guaranteeing a better single player experience. It would be different if they just said "Well we don't like multiplayer so we said screw it this time around", they just want to make the best Matroid experience they can and that's all about single player.
I'm sure an awesome FPS will come along and be online for Wii and I too will buy it but I am not upset that MP3 isn't that game.
I would've gladly waited a few more months to have online multiplayer.
Some of us believe that you could wait as long as you want, it wouldn't be good.
Post by: TrueNerd on July 03, 2007, 09:27:39 AM
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Don't get me wrong, or any of us wrong, I don't feel we're 'anti-online' but remember Retro said they cut out the multiplayer aspect to pretty much get the single player aspect as perfect as they can.
So I am happy about no online just because it is guaranteeing a better single player experience. It would be different if they just said "Well we don't like multiplayer so we said screw it this time around", they just want to make the best Matroid experience they can and that's all about single player.
I'm sure an awesome FPS will come along and be online for Wii and I too will buy it but I am not upset that MP3 isn't that game.
Truth! Every word!
Post by: darknight06 on July 03, 2007, 10:28:57 AM
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Minus hand cramping and some balance issues, MPH online was AWESOME.
If NST remade hunters on the Wii with Wiimote controls, I'd be insanely happy with it.
Post by: Requiem on July 03, 2007, 10:44:23 AM
Why not use some other IP or make a new one entirely?
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Post by: Kairon on July 03, 2007, 11:20:07 AM
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If I'm not mistaken Red Steel 2 is supposed to be online and as long as they do a better job this time than they did the last I don't see why that wouldn't be enough.
Haha. This is Red Steel we're talking about. "Enough" is... sorta... stratospheric...
Post by: ShyGuy on July 03, 2007, 11:28:30 AM
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That's an option I think Nintendo will consider, but I have to say, I think Retro is about ready to do something a bit new and different, and I don't exactly see HAL or EAD developing a rich first-person shooter multi-player experience happily. I imagine they'd want a Western developer, since the game is an FPS/FPA, but really, I don't think Nintendo likes to work with Western devs using their own IP.
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 03, 2007, 01:21:11 PM
I am really excited for Red Steel 2, and I hope that the team actually creates a better experience than what was available for the first game. However, I am sure many developers are waiting for Metroid Prime 3 and are waiting to see how Retro designs its game. It will obviously be the most polished FPS to date...and many developers will copy the feel of its controls.
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Post by: ShineGet887 on July 03, 2007, 04:51:47 PM
Anyway, while I don't really have a dog in this fight, I don't see why any self-respecting Metroid fan could be upset about this development. It's a single player series, and it should stay a single player series.
Post by: Mashiro on July 03, 2007, 05:11:36 PM
Post by: ShineGet887 on July 03, 2007, 05:54:05 PM
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You didn't even like Super Metroid?! ::prepares the cross:: ~_^
Yeah, I don't know what it is about the series I could never get into, it's not that I don't think they're good games, I guess it's just not my style. Heck, a buddy of mine can't get into Zelda for the same reason, and we're both life-long Nintendo fans.
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Post by: Mashiro on July 03, 2007, 06:17:38 PM
To each their own, not everyone will like the same games, I mean I don't really get into the Final Fantasy games for example, though many of my friends LOVE the series I just can't get into it like them.
Oh and I know what you mean thatguy even though I love Zelda, truth be told I didn't like OoT all that much. I often get yelled at for how amazing it was but I felt the games concepts were ahead of the technology and WW and TP do a better job refining the gameplay and representing Zelda in 3D.
Post by: SixthAngel on July 03, 2007, 06:51:22 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 03, 2007, 08:06:07 PM
THIS IS JUSTICE
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2007, 08:08:37 PM
Nintendo fans want their Halo. The Prime series is in 1st person so its natural to put the two together. I'd rather Retro make their own original FPS so they're free to do what they want and no Metroid fan can say, "That's not Metroid!" I think an original IP is doable by Winter 2009. Long ways off, but I like what I've heard about Prime 3 and I wouldn't want the game to be pushed back any further just so they can add multiplayer.
Post by: Mashiro on July 03, 2007, 08:20:50 PM
Free Radical Design could always end up making TimeSplitters 4 on Wii. Personally I like the TimeSplitter games (well future perfect specifically) more than Halo. I would love to see what they could do with the Wii and it's controls.
Though an original first or second party IP would be awesome.
Post by: ShineGet887 on July 03, 2007, 08:36:40 PM
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Why is it alright for a developer to release a fps that only has online and yet not for them to release one that only has single player? I want to hear the bitching about Battlefield having no single player campaign. Metroid has always been about big single player experiences so no complaints from me.
I don't even consider the Prime series true FPS' though, they're more or less action adventure games from a first person perspective, and while they may share -some- FPS characteristics, they're far more exploration-based.
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2007, 08:59:11 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 03, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
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Online only suggests (but does not guarantee) better, if not infinite, replay value. That's why.
Nintendo fans want their Halo. The Prime series is in 1st person so its natural to put the two together. I'd rather Retro make their own original FPS so they're free to do what they want and no Metroid fan can say, "That's not Metroid!" I think an original IP is doable by Winter 2009. Long ways off, but I like what I've heard about Prime 3 and I wouldn't want the game to be pushed back any further just so they can add multiplayer.
I agree with you, I want to see Retro create an original IP, in fact I think Nintendo NEEDS them to in order to help push Nintendo into the next generation with an IP that can suck in "gamers" who aren't into Nintendo's current IPs (I think you have to be nuts to not enjoy a good Nintendo IP but hey you have to do what you have to do). It could even be a Halo killer, or better yet maybe they can tackle another genre entirely that will have mass "hardcore" appeal.
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or better yet maybe they can tackle another genre entirely that will have mass "hardcore" appeal.
Hmm. . . Raven Blade anyone?
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or better yet maybe they can tackle another genre entirely that will have mass "hardcore" appeal.
Hmm. . . Raven Blade anyone?
Well I say if they can pull off a great game (I heard Raven Blade had a very shaky start) then they should go for it. Maybe with Miyamoto's guidance they can actually do it, like they did with Metroid Prime.
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or better yet maybe they can tackle another genre entirely that will have mass "hardcore" appeal.
Hmm. . . Raven Blade anyone?
Well I say if they can pull off a great game (I heard Raven Blade had a very shaky start) then they should go for it. Maybe with Miyamoto's guidance they can actually do it, like they did with Metroid Prime.
Oh no doubt. Miyamoto's guidance and influence is always a good thing.
Plus the development team is (probably) more 'matured' since working on these past 3 Metroid titles, I'm sure they learned a lot of what works and what doesn't and it'll definitely help with whatever title they tackle next.
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I know there are those who'll disagree, but if MP3's engine is as good as it has been sounding, Retro (or someone) could possibly take it and make an on-line only Metroid Prime 3.5 or such. Or even use the engine and make a whole new game with a focus on online multiplayer.
Sounds like and needs more Metroid Prime Hunters 2.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 04, 2007, 07:10:52 AM
Retro would also probably do a fantastic job of an original FPS. Considering they've done three Metroids in a row I think it's ideal for them to have a break and make something different. After all back when Metroid was only a trilogy there was only one game per system so it's not like the Wii will need another Metroid Prime game after this one. The Wii is selling so well Nintendo can take the risk and have Retro work on something else. Besides Metroid Prime is never going to be the system seller they want it to be. It's too, well, GOOD for lack of a better term.
And I'm not anti-online I just see no need to include it when it's not needed, particularly when those calling for it don't really want a real Metroid game in the first place. Now if SSB or Mario Kart or F-Zero are revealed to not be online you're going to hear me b!tching because in that case not going online makes no sense. Online is like 3D. When it makes sense it's awesome but there's a time and place for it and too often people just demand it because it's new and modern and popular. Motion control is also slowing becoming like this as everyone just asks for it whether it makes sense to use it or not.
Post by: UERD on July 04, 2007, 07:30:42 AM
Instead of taking an existing franchise and making it something it's not, I'd like to see a developer step up to the plate and take the challenge of making a whole new FPS franchise that fluidly integrates online play and the controller.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 04, 2007, 08:30:38 AM
We agree on something.
Too bad that nemo guy isn't here anymore LAFFO
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Post by: Urkel on July 04, 2007, 06:55:00 PM
Prime 2 proved that that style of gameplay is not conducive to multiplayer. Making Metroid into a great multiplayer experience would require changing the basic formula into something completely different.
Metroid Prime Hunters made for an excellent multiplayer game, but was lacking in the single player mode because they designed it first and foremost as a FPS, and that just doesn't translate well for Metroid.
I wonder if it's ever going to sink in that the term "First Person Adventure" isn't just some nonsense buzzword made up by Nintendo. Did Deus Ex suffer from a lack of multiplayer?
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Did Deus Ex suffer from a lack of multiplayer?
Deus Ex had multiplayer.
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 05, 2007, 12:29:37 AM
If I was to get a different FPS from Nintendo I would be pretty happy, but not getting online in Metroid is disappointing because it is a unique game that bears some similarity to an FPS that could have a very compelling online component that is like no other FPS out there. A Metroid online FPS multiplayer mode is far more interesting to me than some crappy online WWII FPS game, or that hunk of sh!t, Halo 3.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on July 05, 2007, 03:41:19 AM
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wasn't Geist multiplayer fun? thats what I've read as the only good thing of the game...
Geist single player was insanely awesome.
You got to possess a pile of plates and fling them into a chef's face, possess grenades and make them roll up to people and explode and possess a showerhead in a women's locker room.
Geist is easily the #1 game I'd recommend be ported to the Wii. The only complaint I ever heard about the game was about the analogue control. An updated port, especially one with online play, would be awesome.
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The MP2 multiplayer was bad so why would anyone want to play MP3 in multiplayer, anyway?
Because Metroid Hunters' multiplayer was excellent.
I'd like NST to port MPH to the Wii, personally. I'd buy that in a heartbeat whereas I have zero intention of buying MP3.
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Excellent news. Anything that keeps the FPS fans out of Metroid Prime is a good thing.
Anything that keeps people who don't own a Wii from talking about it as if they do would also be a good thing.
Post by: mantidor on July 05, 2007, 03:48:56 AM
NO MORE PORTS! even this game I haven't played, make Geist 2, polish it, improve on it, retain what worked and dropped what it didn't, why is everyone so damn fixated on ports!!? stop approving Nintendo's laziness.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 05, 2007, 03:59:39 AM
An update is when they rerelease a game with a budget price and some more features, generally done if the game didn't achieve it's full potential before.
Iwata said they were considering rereleasing some GC titles with budget pricing on the Wii.
I almost assume RE4 was the first of this. It's only a travesty when they charge full price for it. There'd be nothing wrong with a $30 Wii-enabled Eternal Darkness, MGS: Twin Snakes and Geist.
All of these games have one thing in common: none of them got the press they deserved and were excellent games. A Wii rerelease could get people who previously had no idea these games even existed to give them a try and even look forward to a sequel.
The ironic truth? ED, MGS and Geist could be given Wii-releases and I'd guess that a healthy 40% of Wii owners who buy them wouldn't even realize that these are ports of old games because the GC was so much lower in profile. These games have a much, MUCH better chance of selling to the Wii fanbase than that of the GC and can only be improved by Wii controls.
Post by: mantidor on July 05, 2007, 04:48:07 AM
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fixed that for you, stop trying to make excuses for such crappy decisions, thats up for their PR, not us their consumers, we should demand quality, and ports aren't quality for a console whose whole philosophy is to provide new experiences, period.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 05, 2007, 05:26:06 AM
If it's a choice between playing a Wii-aiming enabled RE4 or nothing, I'll take RE4 over letting my Wii gather dust.
And my point isn't that ports are a great idea. My point is that a lot of games (RE4 included) got the shaft when it came to sales because they floundered on the GC. Those games could stand to be brought back just to give them an ACTUAL chance to shine.
I agree that just ports won't cut it, but I cannot fathom these ports getting in the way of regular development when Nintendo has so much money to throw around.
Post by: couchmonkey on July 05, 2007, 08:46:01 AM
I understand that it's a crime against the purity of Metroid, but not being a huge Metroid fan, I don't care.
On the other hand I think the "OMG, this game NEEDS to be the definitive online FPS that proves Wii" camp is overreacting too. The system is selling amazingly well without such a game, and a tailor-made FPS (maybe even Red Steel 2 if they fix the controls) would probably have a bigger impact.
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Post by: Ceric on July 06, 2007, 03:55:31 PM
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I think it's a minor shame that this isn't included. For one thing I kinda liked the multiplayer in MP2 (weird I guess) and for another thing, if adding a more traditional FPS multiplayer mode to the game increases sales and helps out Wii, why not?
I understand that it's a crime against the purity of Metroid, but not being a huge Metroid fan, I don't care.
On the other hand I think the "OMG, this game NEEDS to be the definitive online FPS that proves Wii" camp is overreacting too. The system is selling amazingly well without such a game, and a tailor-made FPS (maybe even Red Steel 2 if they fix the controls) would probably have a bigger impact.
I found the multi to have more space then needed.
Post by: Mario on July 06, 2007, 05:37:18 PM
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That was the only thing that would have made me consider buying it.
Everyone said this (including myself) about Hunters, but still nobody (including myself) bought it.
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they shouldnt even put wifi on the wii and sold it for 100$.
No then we wouldn't have the greatest online experience ever aka Mario Strikers.
Post by: Dasmos on July 06, 2007, 07:33:11 PM
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Everyone said this (including myself) about Hunters, but still nobody (including myself) bought it.
Tell that to Metts, Bloodworth and all of the NWR regulars I played it with.
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