Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 23, 2007, 12:59:12 PM
Or maybe MS would do this? MS is only in the gaming market so they can force their software into people's living rooms and take them over. Their Xbox division is deep in the red, and there is no real reason to keep doing that if they could just work with Nintendo instead, right? I mean, let Nintendo focus on the gaming aspects of the console, and they in turn would handle the other bits, like word processors and HD-DVD players and whatever else it has.
But anyway, if either one of them decides to abandon the gaming market they may just piggyback on Nintendo's console as their trojan horse into your living room. Wasn't this what Sony was going to do with Nintendo with the SNES's CD drive thing that never materialized, but instead transformed into the original playstation? What are the chances that this partnership that fell apart in the mid-90s might come back in the future?
Maybe MS or Sony wouldn't do this for purely egotistical reasons, but couldn't it happen with some other company? Maybe Apple will work with NIntendo, or Panasonic, or one of the myriad of other electronics companies.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 23, 2007, 01:14:59 PM
Post by: stevey on June 23, 2007, 02:51:44 PM
By software you mean Halo and..... Halo n+1. Sony and MS both barely make any 1st games as it is, most of the money comes from 3rd partys and selling hardware (and try to get money for online downloads) all wicth they cant do if they team up with nintendo.
And nintendo has already work with Panasonic to releasing a console
Post by: Mashiro on June 23, 2007, 03:00:28 PM
While PS3 may not be doing well so far, or as well as PS usually does, Sony has stated that the system will have a life of around 10 years. So "PS4" is a many a years away anyway. . .
As for Xbox, Microsoft doesn't have to make money. It'll stick around because it can, it doesn't need to be a financial success. MS wants more market share and all that fun stuff and to try and someday dominate the other consoles. I said it with the original Xbox, no matter how bad the Xbox (original) did when it came onto the scene, MS would keep it alive just to gain ground in a new market.
I don't think at this point Nintendo would partner with another company, even Apple (although I like both companies I don't think that will ever happen), it just wouldn't make much sense to now seeing as how the Big N is doing on it's own.
But that's just my two cents.
Post by: Kairon on June 23, 2007, 03:02:21 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 23, 2007, 03:29:49 PM
Post by: Ceric on June 23, 2007, 06:18:46 PM
Though right now I'm thinking that Nintendo is pretty happy with who they have as partners. If memory serves Nintendo out rights buys everything to do with the specialized components of their systems. Meaning that Ati and IBM may have designed the chips but Nintendo has the right to have them produced by someone else or do whatever else they want to. Their is nothing but trade secret type agreements that would stop them from being Nvidia and Intel for the Wii. (I know NVidia has a higher chip capacity then Ati.)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 23, 2007, 07:18:44 PM
Post by: Shift Key on June 23, 2007, 08:20:31 PM
Thinking about another collaboration? THINK ABOUT THE CD-i FIRST!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 23, 2007, 08:57:58 PM
But what about a Wii or Wii 2 that is done in a similar way as the Panasonic Q? Could that be a possibility? I know the Panasonic Q didn't do very well, but it could have if it was marketed and priced right. Basically, what I am wondering is if Nintendo should be getting their consoles integrated into DVD and HD-DVD/Blu-ray players in the future.
While we are on this subject, wouldn't it also make sense if Nintendo licensed GBA/DS hardware for inclusion in portable devices like Ipods? I think a partnership with Apple makes perfect sense, because Nintendo could ride the popularity of the Ipod, and Apple could really use Nintendo's games on its hardware. It would be a win for both companies, I think. Maybe Wii technology could even be built into the Mac and make up for the lack of native Mac games. Just a thought...
Post by: King of Twitch on June 23, 2007, 09:52:34 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 23, 2007, 11:35:12 PM
Post by: BigJim on June 24, 2007, 12:47:58 AM
At best, they'd do it the other way around and license iTunes to DS/Wii for music playback, but even that isn't likely. They want to be the end-to-end music solution.
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2007, 01:52:36 AM
But what Nintendo does need to do, is find loyal and intelligent developers from third parties and start talking to them about new systems. What they always wanted to see in a new console...perhaps even take notes in refining the new controller and such.
Have that group of people become an invested group on the hardware development and release a console that is truly a developers console.
Then you would know that developers would be able to create great launch games because they would know about the system years out, and would feel comfortable with the new system, because they helped pioneer it.
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 08:18:35 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 24, 2007, 08:23:50 AM
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It'd be hard to find such people, as most likely their answer would be "more."
You are spot on, I don't think Nintendo could afford to do everything the developers wanted. They would be in the hole as much as MS and Sony, which Nintendo cannot afford. Besides the developers expertise is not hardware development, it is the games, and if they had a say in console development we may not have had the innovation that Nintendo has pushed through. Developers only real concern is graphic horsepower and the controller to a certain extent, they don't care much about innovating when it comes to consoles. Heck look at Xbox 360, the controller was built around gamers and I believe developers, it really is not that much different from the previous one!
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 08:38:47 AM
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It'd be hard to find such people, as most likely their answer would be "more."
You are spot on, I don't think Nintendo could afford to do everything the developers wanted. They would be in the hole as much as MS and Sony, which Nintendo cannot afford. Besides the developers expertise is not hardware development, it is the games, and if they had a say in console development we may not have had the innovation that Nintendo has pushed through. Developers only real concern is graphic horsepower and the controller to a certain extent, they don't care much about innovating when it comes to consoles. Heck look at Xbox 360, the controller was built around gamers and I believe developers, it really is not that much different from the previous one!
Maybe... Maybe the people Nintendo needs to ask is... US! Muahahahahah!
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It'd be hard to find such people, as most likely their answer would be "more."
You are spot on, I don't think Nintendo could afford to do everything the developers wanted. They would be in the hole as much as MS and Sony, which Nintendo cannot afford. Besides the developers expertise is not hardware development, it is the games, and if they had a say in console development we may not have had the innovation that Nintendo has pushed through. Developers only real concern is graphic horsepower and the controller to a certain extent, they don't care much about innovating when it comes to consoles. Heck look at Xbox 360, the controller was built around gamers and I believe developers, it really is not that much different from the previous one!
Maybe... Maybe the people Nintendo needs to ask is... US! Muahahahahah!
Well one thing I've learned is that the consumer doesn't always know what they want either.
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 09:13:01 AM
Wait, strike that. We're not just ordinary fanbois either. We're NINTENDO fanbois. We've dedicated our internet lives to the study of Nintendo and the vagaries of the market! We've stuck with them even though they've done things we've hated, and things we've loved, and things we just couldn't understand. That's a decent indicator of loyalty and dedication, I say.
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2007, 02:23:48 PM
Nintendo doesn't have to take the advice of everyone. But getting together with the arcade hardware developers of Sega, Namco, and some key developers from Capcom. Sit them down and talk to them price range and vision for the console, and brainstorm would be a great way to build confidence in the system.
Then come early enough to those same developers whom have signed NDAs and such and tell them what you decided to do, and then actually give them advanced tools early on to help them create games...in effect thanking them for their input early.
It is brilliant.
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 02:27:00 PM
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Which is why Nintendo needs to be careful who they talk to...but still talk to people.
Nintendo doesn't have to take the advice of everyone. But getting together with the arcade hardware developers of Sega, Namco, and some key developers from Capcom. Sit them down and talk to them price range and vision for the console, and brainstorm would be a great way to build confidence in the system.
Then come early enough to those same developers whom have signed NDAs and such and tell them what you decided to do, and then actually give them advanced tools early on to help them create games...in effect thanking them for their input early.
It is brilliant.
Why arcade? Is this a ploy to get the next generation of fighters and lightgun shooters to default onto this hypothetical console?
Post by: tiamat1990 on June 25, 2007, 12:30:42 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 25, 2007, 02:11:06 AM
Arcade designers are more likely going to understand the concepts of motion control, and may have greater ideas of things they would have liked in bringing home an arcade experience.
I was trying to think of people that weren't just...I want more. But understood the restrictions of hardware costs, and still had the creative conceptions of what unique hardware can bring to a gaming experience.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 25, 2007, 05:51:21 AM
MS is more software driven so teaming with them makes less sense anyway. Sony is a technology company and could at least contribute hardware ideas, like when they designed the SNES sound chip.
Post by: Kairon on June 25, 2007, 07:44:08 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 25, 2007, 09:07:48 AM
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Nobody wants a one-console future, basically.
Competition is definitely great, look what it has done with the NDS. The system probably has one of the most diverse libraries around with quality titles.
Post by: Ceric on June 26, 2007, 02:24:43 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on June 26, 2007, 02:47:07 AM
Post by: denjet78 on June 26, 2007, 07:13:09 AM
Why can't these companies just be strait forward about their evil intentions?
Post by: ShyGuy on June 26, 2007, 08:20:27 AM
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Honestly, I think Nintendo would rather go bankrupt then work with its competitors.
Post by: Adrock on June 26, 2007, 09:39:56 AM
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I figure if Nintendo became the only console maker in town they would get more and more isolated and become less likely to work with anyone else. Their success would make them arrogant and they would start to assume that they alone have all the answers. This is what caused Nintendo to lose the market leader spot in the first place. It's what Sony is doing now. As the market leader becomes more complacent they stop paying attention to third parties or consumers and just do what they want to do. Once the market leader thinks that everyone will support them no matter what is when things go downhill and odds are Nintendo would regain that attitude in time if all their competitors dropped out of the market.
I agree though I think (or hope) that Nintendo has learned its lesson. It's hard not to. And I'd hate to think Nintendo could become so careless... again. 3rd parties will only put up with crap if they have to. Before PS1 came along, they had to since Genesis was utter failure in Japan. Nintendo seems to understand now that they and 3rd parties need each other. Or, if you want to be cynical about it, they want to exploit or use one another. Nintendo has proven that they can stay profitable basically support their own hardware by themselves, but they'd make so much more money if 3rd parties came aboard.
