Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2007, 07:00:43 PM
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Konami is also in talks with Nintendo to bring a Metal Gear Solid game to the Wii. MGS4 would obviously have to be slimmed down if the chose to port the title to Nintendo's console.
Hideo Kojima has mentioned previously that his team is working on a Wii title, one that appears to be separate from his Project S collaboration with Suda 41. Of course, it could be an entirely new title. If it is Metal Gear, I highly doubt it'd be MGS4. I don't want a gimped version of MGS4. If I want to play MGS4, I'll get it for 360 (not a typo).
A complete retelling of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake with new 3D designs would be nice. However, my dream Metal Gear game would be: Metal Gear Liquid, obviously a Liquid Snake origin tale. There's more than enough back story (often hinted at in the original MGS) to support a whole game and then some. An exclusive Metal Gear of this kind with intuitive Wiimote controls could potentially be bigger even than Guns of the Patriots.
Then again, ports of Sons of Libtery and/or Snake Eater with waggle tossed in to call it "new" is also a possibility, but I want a new game dammit.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2007, 07:28:05 PM
But back on topic now, what makes you think a MGS4 for Wii would be gimped? all they would have to do is scale back the graphics a little bit, but thats not gonna change the way the game is played in any sort of way. With added "waggle" support it might even be a more interactive movie that the last two "games".
But what I wouldn't mind seeing is a Wiimake for MGS2 & MGS3 along with a port of MGS4 to follow next year. That would gove them two quick cash-ins and they could catch the Nintendo crowd up with the story and build an audience at the same time.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 31, 2007, 07:51:03 PM
...oh.
Post by: Shift Key on May 31, 2007, 08:31:24 PM
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2007, 08:47:56 PM
And I knew someone would call me out on the "gimped" comment. Honestly, I was expecting Smash_Brother.
MGS4 was made specifically for more powerful hardware. Mostly remaking the game from scratch to work on Wii is another thing entirely. It's not just about scaling back graphics, things like A.I and physics could potentially suffer.All that is besides the point. If anyone disagrees, that's fine. I won't argue it. The game could work. Whatever. I simply want a game built specifically for Wii, that takes advantage of the hardware. Rather than Konami mapping controls to fit the Wii remote, I want controls (and game design) that were always intended for the controller. Though ports are always possible, what I envision (and hope for) is a game so specific to Wii's capabilities that the creators wouldn't even think of releasing it on other platforms, as if a PS3/360 port would be considered a "gimped" version without Wiimote support. Granted, I want that for any game designed for Wii, but you get the point though.
I wouldn't turn down Wii versions of other MGS games though there's a chance it wouldn't work out as well. Twin Snakes had many problems, one of which was clumsier controls. MGS2 style controls didn't work as well due to some lost functionality in the GCN controller. And I think only a new game could get this idea across: that "porting up" would actually make it a worse game, even with HD graphics. That makes such a huge statement. Plus, Liquid Snake is just badass.
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 01, 2007, 02:42:43 AM
Targeting and movement will obviously get the best upgrades. But just being able to sneak around and action a Melee attack will be fun.
Metal Gear also would be a great franchise to test this out since it doesn't rely strictly on action, but also stealth.
And the development team working on the project would be talented enough to actually make a great controlling game on the system.
Post by: ryancoke on June 01, 2007, 03:41:46 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2007, 05:55:17 AM
QuoteThats sounds like a good gamelplay addition. I could just picture it now, two brother fighting, one brother waits for an intense moment when the other brother must be perfectly still while hiding in a locker. He sees the guard approaching the locker and thats when he jumps up and slaps his brothers hand making Snake rattle around inside the locker alerting the guard "!" and setting off the alarms "
Originally posted by: ryancoke
could you imagine taking snake into a locker to hide from a guard and having to hold the wiimote/chuk perfectly still as to not make any noise? That would be so sweet! Although with the sixaxis they could probably do that on the PS3 version
". Sounds like fun.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 01, 2007, 05:59:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock And I knew someone would call me out on the "gimped" comment. Honestly, I was expecting Smash_Brother.
I've been typecast.
Actually, I'd point out that he's called "Suda51" not 41.
But I could see the graphic downscale as possible. I honestly wouldn't care so much if the game looks like ass, so much as it plays well and has great voice acting and story.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 01, 2007, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2007, 09:09:48 AM
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Actually, I'd point out that he's called "Suda51" not 41.
Damn typos! The saddest part is that I looked him up just to make sure.
And I think you'd care if the graphics looked like ass because then you'd call them lazy. :P In any case, I still prefer a new game because designing the game from scratch allows them more freedom with the Wii remote. Plus, a brand new, exclusive game will do more for Nintendo than a port.
Post by: Svevan on June 01, 2007, 10:35:12 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on June 01, 2007, 12:16:40 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 01, 2007, 12:53:45 PM
Post by: Crimm on June 01, 2007, 02:27:13 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
MGS4 will have none of that. It will however have seven hours of HD video that fills up the bluray disc.
Can light bloom on the battlefield?
Post by: Galford on June 01, 2007, 02:54:02 PM
The only reason we got Twin Snakes is Nintendo flipped the bill and we all know how that turned out.
Also both Konami and Sony pretend Twin Snakes doesn't exist.
Ever seen the bonus material that comes with Subsistence?
Twin Snakes is a no show.
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2007, 03:38:11 PM
Post by: IceCold on June 01, 2007, 08:49:15 PM
QuoteI'll take you up on that. It may not be MGS4, but I'm willing to bet that we'll get a Metal Gear game in the near future.
Hate to be the downer, but hell will freeze before Nintendo gets another Metal Gear title.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on June 02, 2007, 03:15:05 AM
What I do want from Konami is a goddamn CONTRA on Wii. How long has it been since we've had a good Contra game? I wouldn't mind a Castlevania (3D IF done right) either. There are so many other games to look forward to from Konami.
Post by: Galford on June 02, 2007, 08:48:28 AM
If the Wii gets a MG game it will be via the VC.
Here's a link to the 20th Anniversary website for Metal Gear.
http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mg20th/
Pay close attention to what's not being shown.
Namely every Nintendo based Metal Gear ever made.
Of course I could be absolutely wrong and have to eat foot, but everything tastes good with a little hot sauce.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2007, 09:18:25 AM
Both of those were on NES, I owned and beat both of them.
Post by: Requiem on June 02, 2007, 12:31:36 PM
Freak: I really want Contra as well. It could be done so well on the Wii too.
Post by: D-Mac Double on June 02, 2007, 02:04:01 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
But Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake are named on the site.
Both of those were on NES, I owned and beat both of them.
Actually that's incorrect. While Metal Gear on NES was a port of the original MSX2 version, Metal Gear 2 for the NES and MSX2 are completely different games.
NES received Snake's Revenge, developed exclusively for the western market with zero involvement from Hideo Kojima, while MSX2 received the far superior and canon sequel, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. The game was never released outside of Japan until last year, as a component of MGS3: Subsistence for PS2.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2007, 03:02:40 PM
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Post by: mantidor on June 02, 2007, 04:21:09 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 02, 2007, 05:12:11 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I completly hated Metal Gear Solid when I played it for the PC, its a horrible game and I don't see what the hell people see in this franchise. Stealth is done so much better in games like Thief.
That is some pretty big hatred of the MGS games! Personally I think they are overrated but still quality games.
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2007, 05:35:03 PM
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Galford wrote:
Pay close attention to what's not being shown.
Namely every Nintendo based Metal Gear ever made.
I doubt that's a sleight against Nintendo. The AC!D games are missing. With Substance (which includes Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2), every canonical game in the series are available in that anniversary package. I think that's the point of it... and to cash in before MGS4 comes out.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2007, 05:53:41 PM
Post by: mantidor on June 02, 2007, 07:13:05 PM
Maybe it is really satire, with Kojima wanting Snake in Smash Bros and all, but is so well hidden it just gets lost.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on June 03, 2007, 03:47:17 AM
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Maybe I should try to give it a second chance, but it was so boring I couldn't continue. MGS gave me the impression of endless sets of a grayish/greenish repetitive hue painted over squared rooms that never seem to end and they all look alike, with a completly lame stealth gameplay (its like the deku palace entrance in Majora's Mask, only that its not a five minute minigame but the whole damn game!) and a laughable story and acting. I know games overall have laughable stories, but MGS enphazizes into it way too much thinking the have something good when they don't, at first I was hoping it was some sort of satire, but no, they take their ridiculous storylines and cliched characters seriously! The footage I've seen of the other games looks to me like more of the same endless tear-inducing repetitiveness, if theres such a world, with more silly cutscenes.
Maybe it is really satire, with Kojima wanting Snake in Smash Bros and all, but is so well hidden it just gets lost.
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Post by: Kenology on June 03, 2007, 04:56:36 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I completly hated Metal Gear Solid when I played it for the PC, its a horrible game and I don't see what the hell people see in this franchise. Stealth is done so much better in games like Thief.
That is some pretty big hatred of the MGS games! Personally I think they are overrated but still quality games.
I agree. I think the MGS series is highly overrated but there's no denying the amount of polish and production values that go into the games. My discontent with the franchise has more to do with it's design - A 12 hour game with only about 5 hours of gameplay and the rest being movies and codec speech is not my idea of fun. I would like to see an MGS game on Wii though.
Post by: oohhboy on June 03, 2007, 05:06:28 AM
Having brought and played MGS:TT and the original PSX version, I am not at all attached to the series. It was fun, but I wouldn't look forward to more of the same. The cutscenes were for most part fairly awesome though. I wonder when is some one is going to make an non-interactive game. Just hours and hours of game engine generated cutscenes.
Post by: ThePerm on June 03, 2007, 05:19:10 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on June 03, 2007, 05:23:28 AM
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My discontent with the franchise has more to do with it's design - A 12 hour game with only about 5 hours of gameplay and the rest being movies and codec speech is not my idea of fun. I would like to see an MGS game on Wii though.
LOL, 5 hours of gameplay? You probably spend 2 of those 5 gameplay hours standing around waiting for the guard/camera to turn the other way.
Post by: oohhboy on June 03, 2007, 05:27:31 AM
Post by: Svevan on June 03, 2007, 09:36:14 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
MGS4 will have none of that. It will however have seven hours of HD video that fills up the bluray disc.
None of the previous MGS games have featured full motion video cutscenes - the cinemas were completed using the in-game engine, save some opening title sequences. So, the cutscenes will take up as much space as Zelda's.
As for all the MGS hate, since we're not really defending our statements much, let me throw out my unqualified opinion: Metal Gear Solid is one of the best games ever made. Those who measure games based on how much they get to play need to step back and re-evaluate their priorities when playing a game. Those who want only "fun" in games probably only go see movies like Spider-Man 3, Pirates 3, and Shrek 3, and read Danielle Steele, Tom Clancy, or Dan Brown. Art isn't measured in fun and enjoyment; games aren't measured by amount of gameplay time.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 03, 2007, 09:42:33 AM
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Art isn't measured in fun and enjoyment
Art is measured in the feeling of superiority one gets from looking down on the simple, stupid sheep.
Post by: IceCold on June 03, 2007, 10:40:21 AM
QuoteI've said this before, but man.. you really need to find another medium to force your views on. You're trying to find things in games that just aren't there, or are present in a tiny fraction of them.
Originally posted by: Svevan
As for all the MGS hate, since we're not really defending our statements much, let me throw out my unqualified opinion: Metal Gear Solid is one of the best games ever made. Those who measure games based on how much they get to play need to step back and re-evaluate their priorities when playing a game. Those who want only "fun" in games probably only go see movies like Spider-Man 3, Pirates 3, and Shrek 3, and read Danielle Steele, Tom Clancy, or Dan Brown. Art isn't measured in fun and enjoyment; games aren't measured by amount of gameplay time.
Let's talk about Metal Gear Solid. It's interesting that you mentioned Dan Brown. I agree with you wholeheartedly about him, by the way.. The Da Vinci Code reads like it was written by an eleventh grader who inexplicably used text plagiarised from a history book in the dialogue.
But the thing is.. MGS is as bad, if not worse. Do you honestly think that the story is a brilliant piece of prose? Well, it's not. In actuality, it's a laughably bad, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual "political commentary" which doesn't deserve that title. And the worst part is that the games take themselves so seriously, as if they are actually bringing something to the table. Like mantidor said, it's unintentional satire.
I don't want games to become like Metal Gear. I don't want games that sacrifice gameplay for presentation, like you apparently do. Most of the time, when this happens, everything in the game deteriorates in quality. Again, look to paintings or movies or books for the things you want, Svevan. I enjoy the occasional game which actually gets the presentation right (like Eternal Darkness), but in general, Miyamoto's philosophy on gaming is far and away the best one.
You see, in a Mario game if you see it, you can reach it. If you imagine it, you can do it. And that matters to me infinitely more than the story or any "art" in the game.
PS: The thing that I took the most offense to (like I think ShyGuy did) was your implied superiority when talking about the people who watch Spider-Man 3 and read Danielle Steele. That was uncalled for.
But since you wrote it, I had to use the Metal Gear example to show you how flawed your argument was, plus how other people can sh*t on your tastes too.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 03, 2007, 11:12:42 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on June 03, 2007, 12:12:05 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on June 03, 2007, 03:24:38 PM
Having said that, I liked MGS, despite some cut-scenes dragging on too long. I haven't played any of the later MGS games, though.
Post by: mantidor on June 03, 2007, 05:00:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
As for all the MGS hate, since we're not really defending our statements much, let me throw out my unqualified opinion: Metal Gear Solid is one of the best games ever made. Those who measure games based on how much they get to play need to step back and re-evaluate their priorities when playing a game. Those who want only "fun" in games probably only go see movies like Spider-Man 3, Pirates 3, and Shrek 3, and read Danielle Steele, Tom Clancy, or Dan Brown. Art isn't measured in fun and enjoyment; games aren't measured by amount of gameplay time.
This is funny, because I think MG is in line with that hollywood crap, plus a huge dose of pretentiousness. If you are going to compare its story with any decent book or movie it completly fails, and as a game is also mediocre, because its gameplay gets old fast. Sometimes gameplay, even if its simple, can make generic stories seem interesting, and thats why I loved all those adventures games for the PC like phantasmagoria and the 7th guest, but it doesn't work in MG at all. Besides, I think that a game, above all, has to be fun, and I don't care if that make games art or not. Also art itself, even if its not fun all the time, it has to be at least interesting to be good, it has to make you look, to turn your head, and MG doesn't do that, for me anyway.
Post by: Svevan on June 03, 2007, 07:52:10 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 03, 2007, 09:13:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
Ice, Phoenix: I hope you weren't THAT offended. I'm trying to challenge some ideas, not give an air of superiority. Forgive me for that. I'll reply to the topic later.
Yeah like the idea that if you like fun, you don't appreciate art because you indulge in "simple" things.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 04, 2007, 05:23:22 AM
I've played games that required stealth and enjoyed them, but when I do get discovered, I want things to play out just a bit more realistically than that. My interest in any other games in this series couldn't even be measured with an electron microscope.
Post by: Kairon on June 04, 2007, 05:51:23 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 04, 2007, 07:40:26 AM
And Twin Snakes...
It's sad when I fondly look back at a $50 piece of software because of its awesome cutscenes and not its gameplay.
What makes it worse is the disconnect between the physical reality of the universe within the cutscenes versus the reality of the gameplay. A lot of the super-mad-sick-wicked things in the cutscenes didn't translate into the real game. Snake and Ninja and all the other characters did amazing things during cinematics, but once the REAL GAME took over, it was all stripped down to stiff, grounded, "meh" brawler or sneaky combat.
"Why show me all that cool junk when we don't really get to do that in the game?"
Post by: Kairon on June 04, 2007, 07:48:03 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 04, 2007, 08:17:09 AM
3rd parties who want their characters in Brawl need to come to Nintendo, not the other way around, which makes it a "favor" situation.
MGS:TS was developed via Nintendo's resources because they got Konami to make a Mario DDR game (which sold surprisingly well) in return for the favor.
Adding Snake to Brawl likewise did not come without a price, I'm sure of it. Whether it's another MGS game on the Wii is anyone's guess, but Kojima owes Nintendo. That much is certain.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 04, 2007, 08:22:51 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 04, 2007, 08:35:12 AM
I think they should do a TS Wiimake, ala RE4 and then port MGS4 to the Wii. Watch the hilarity ensue as it outsells the PS360 versions.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 04, 2007, 09:14:37 AM
Not that I care for Sam Fishtaco, but it'd be a good one-two punch on Konami.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 04, 2007, 09:39:16 AM
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2007, 03:07:17 PM
- Aiming (obviously).
- The Nikita missile could be controlled by tilting the controller
- Throw grenades by swinging the Wii remote
- Swing nunchuck and Wii remote to punch/kick/pistol whip
Controls
A - Use Weapon (Hold A, press B to fire)
B - Action
C - Crouch
Z - 1st person mode
D-pad
- Left - Items menu
- Right - Weapons menu
- Down - Equip last weapon
- Up - Equip last item
(+) - codec/radio
(-) - map
The Wii remote would allow you to move while aiming in third and first person. It's a little different than what's normally seen in Metal Gear, but it could work. The Wii remote could add so much to the series. I hope they make the game.
Post by: EasyCure on June 06, 2007, 06:11:00 PM
much better over TS` controls on the gamecube pad.. and people thought having fewer buttons would hurt the wiis interface.
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Post by: Terranigma Freak on June 07, 2007, 02:42:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
It'd be more hilarious if they did nothing for Wii and the PS3/360 versions still tanked and the whole company goes under thanks to next-gen dev costs -- while losing to Wii-specific Splinter Cell game.
Not that I care for Sam Fishtaco, but it'd be a good one-two punch on Konami.
That would be a dream come true if that happened. Well, I guess they should first sell their franchises -- the good franchises -- to Nintendo first. All I want are more castlevania and contra games, anything else from Konami's not worth it anymore.
Post by: Smoke39 on June 07, 2007, 06:17:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
All I want are more castlevania and contra games, anything else from Konami's not worth it anymore.
What about Goemon!?
Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 06:33:50 PM
Post by: Galford on June 09, 2007, 08:13:44 AM
I remember talking to a worker in Gamestop and I remember him saying there was sometype of licensing problem and the production run of DDR mats was quite small.
I could be wrong though.
