Quote Kaplan: So you’re already done with Paper and you’re ready for something next. The average consumer spends a little bit of time with it. You have to remember as a core gamer you have an insatiable appetite. You, at all costs, probably don’t shower or eat until a game is done. You’re a freak. And then you want the next one. I think we’ve launched a lot.
Nintendo doesn't care about people who have played games before Nov 2006, confirmed.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 25, 2007, 12:13:16 PM
Nintendo doesn't care about people who don't shower, confirmed.
I KNEW SHE COULD NOT BE TRUSTED.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on May 25, 2007, 12:13:36 PM
The tactful thing to do in this situation is blame the post-launch drought and the fact that most game companies were completely caught off guard by the Wii's success, then cite examples of excellent 1st and 3rd party support which IS coming.
...NOT belittle your fans.
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Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2007, 12:22:38 PM
PR Gaffe indeed, but I don't believe in the drought AT ALL. There was none. I'm finally going to beat Godfather today. I've got so many things to do before I can even contemplate Super Paper Mario, which I haven't bought yet. And friggin hell people, SONIC! PLUS I don't have SSX yet, and I've completely missed the boat on Medal of Honor...
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Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2007, 01:43:22 PM
Quote I don't believe in the drought AT ALL. There was none.
Lies!
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Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2007, 01:50:16 PM
Well... okay. It sucks to be in Europe.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 25, 2007, 02:06:32 PM
If you guys want to see droughts look at the Xbox 360 and PS3 these last few months.
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Post by: King of Twitch on May 25, 2007, 02:11:49 PM
Next she'll be saying hardcore gamers should be "wiped off the map."
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 25, 2007, 02:20:05 PM
She has obviously been reading NWR the most freak filled website on the internet! You guys aree annoyed because you know it is true!
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Post by: oohhboy on May 25, 2007, 02:49:44 PM
LOL, I love Kaplan interviews. Billy is like a bunch of scrub guards with machine guns blasting away at the hero in a bad action movie. She is just dancing around like nothing is going on.
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Post by: Crimm on May 25, 2007, 02:52:00 PM
Quote Originally posted by: MJRx9000 Next she'll be saying hardcore gamers should be "wiped off the map."
Just relocated, for our protection.
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Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2007, 03:17:55 PM
BURN PERRIN, SHE'S A WITCH!
Whatever it takes to off her. Seriously enough you think she worked for Sony sometimes. Nintendo just needs to stop letting her talk.
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Post by: darknight06 on May 25, 2007, 04:32:04 PM
Well, the average person isn't bitching about a Zelda timeline neither. In a way I agree with the assesment. Most gamers DO go through games like water these days. Finish one cup, go to the other. It's like a game these days is only as good as it lasts before one "beats" it.
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Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2007, 04:44:24 PM
Quote Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix If you guys want to see droughts look at the Xbox 360 and PS3 these last few months.
The XBox 360 had a drough LAST YEAR maybe, but this year they've been getting hit games pretty consistently.
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Post by: matt oz on May 25, 2007, 04:44:53 PM
I love that woman. She cracks me up all the time.
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Post by: Kairon on May 25, 2007, 04:52:49 PM
Seriously, you guys have to rewatch the interview she did with Billy back in e3 06. She's just dancing CIRCLES around him, flirting, going off on tangents, being totally wild, and using all her jedi mind tricks to bedazzle him! It's awesome because he doesn't stand a chance!
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 25, 2007, 05:15:10 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon
Quote Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix If you guys want to see droughts look at the Xbox 360 and PS3 these last few months.
The XBox 360 had a drough LAST YEAR maybe, but this year they've been getting hit games pretty consistently.
What hit games would those be, GRAW2 and um what? Lost Planet and Crackdown (which is quite debatable when you call it a good game) came out within 2 months of Christas, there has been NOTHING besides GRAW 2 to come out since March, April, May.
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Post by: Strell on May 25, 2007, 05:54:16 PM
Strell's obligatory "Perrin really needs to stfu and do things behind scenes" post, like he always says whenever she opens that mouth of her's.
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Post by: BigJim on May 25, 2007, 06:40:00 PM
LOL. I think my patience is actually shrinking with her. As much as she's the type of person you don't want to see leave, some fresh PR blood will do them good with the upcoming office shuffle. It sounds like she is leaving, without saying it.
"Tell me by November." Indeed. Oh wait, you won't be there. I loved that deflection...
Q: There is a drought and core gamers are being left behind.
A: Talk to me in November, as the release of 3 particular games in the next 6 months will magically and retro-actively eliminate the drought you felt in the previous six.
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Post by: Blue Plant on May 25, 2007, 06:46:47 PM
Isn't that the point of a PR person? You'll hear the same non-answers from someone new just like you would from Perrin.
Perrin!
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Post by: BigJim on May 25, 2007, 06:58:15 PM
Some PR are actually pretty good at giving a little and taking a little (Reggie's decent). She just deflects it all, without finesse.
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Post by: mantidor on May 25, 2007, 07:49:36 PM
She used to deflect questions without insulting the interviewee though.
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 25, 2007, 07:58:24 PM
They should replace Perrin Kaplan with Kaz Hirai. It would be an improvement.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 25, 2007, 08:02:21 PM
I think you guys are taking her way too seriously, it was obvious she was joking. Not sure what you guys have against her, yes she has said some things that didn't turn out to be true, but she has never come across as a person that deserves to be insulted.
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Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2007, 08:16:19 PM
My problem with Perrin Kaplan is that she's not really good at her job. Her interviews are lame. At least when I read an interview with Reggie or even George Harrison, I often don't feel like I've completely wasted my time. Still, I suppose that's my fault because while I dislike her interviews, I continue to scan them in the off-chance that she'll actually say something noteworthy.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 25, 2007, 10:00:32 PM
She wasted my time like Spiderman 3.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 25, 2007, 10:53:41 PM
She called former PGC staffer Billy F'n Berghammer an unshowered freak. That's aces in my book!
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Post by: Deguello on May 25, 2007, 11:31:01 PM
That's what everybody's thinking. She's just the one that said it.
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2007, 02:41:08 AM
My biggest problem with her is that everytime I hear her talk one of two things happen:
1. I get mad at Nintendo 2. I feel less inclined to get whatever it is that she's trying to sell me.
She has the finesse of the dump truck in BlastCorp, insults the market she's trying to sell to at ever chance she gets, and not even nice sounding or easy on the eyes.
It just goes to show that Word of Mouth is the ONLY reason Nintendo is selling as well as it does. Not the PR department. Nintendo makes great games. People know that and spread the word. Not their PR.
If this was any other industry she probably be gone after her performance since the Gamecube on. In fact if the Nintendo PR machine was relatively fine tuned I think they would have done much better during the Gamecube days. Reggie is a good step forward but so for I have not been impressed by his Presidency at all.
Edit: Thinking about it a little more. If I ever get to do an interview with Perrin I have a few questions for her:
1. What goes on in a typical day of work for you? 2. How did you come to work at Nintendo? 3. What are your feelings about Nintendo? 4. Do you enjoy working for NoA? 5. What do you feel that Nintendo does well? 6. What do you feel that Nintendo doesn't do well? 7. Do you enjoy your job? 8. What is your educational background? 9. What lessons have you learned from working at Nintendo? 10. In general it seems you have a disdain for gamers in general, what brought about those feelings? 11. How much say does the marketing/PR department have on what games get brought over? 12. Is their much focus group testing and like done when a new marketing ad/campaign is created? 13. How much does NCL have you "Toe-the-line"? 14. I have a good feeling I know what you are going to say but I'm obligated to ask. Anything you can tell us about new happenings with Nintendo and upcoming products? 15. Do you have a good idea in your mind what you are going to say in interviews beforehand? 16. In your opinion, how is the Communication between all of Nintendo? It seems that a lot of the time the right hand doesn't seem to know what the left hand is doing. 17. In your opinion, how is the Communication within NoA? 18. Does NoA have a plan to ever have a customer rewards program equivalent to Japan or even Europe? 19. You mentioned at one point that the Wii would be region free. Why the change? 20. What are your feelings about third parties? 21. Finally, any thoughts or statements you want to leave us with?
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Post by: Mario on May 26, 2007, 02:53:07 AM
You "haven't been impressed" with his presidency? Please explain. And you're right, they are your problems.
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Post by: darknight06 on May 26, 2007, 03:13:48 AM
Well as I said, it wouldn't be rattling so many if part of it wasn't true...
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2007, 03:34:06 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Mario You "haven't been impressed" with his presidency? Please explain. And you're right, they are your problems.
Easy. What has he really changed? Seriously. The concepts for the Wii and the DS were thought of Prior to Reggies employment with Nintendo if memory serves. At the very least before he became President of NoA. In fact I think we now see him much less then we did before his promotion. Even though he is a popular figure her in the states. People like Reggie. Not just gamers.
Mario you love Perrin? If you do I really like to know why. Her capacity by my understanding is PR. She's not just a high level exec, if that was the case then the interviews would make more sense, but she is PR. Her job is to make the majority of consumers feel better about her set of products.
What I know of her is from that PR perspective and I just don't like her from it. Now in person she might be a lot different and I may really like her and see why Nintendo keeps her. She may be respectful and everything in person. I just don't know. Maybe I'll be able to find out one day.
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Post by: oohhboy on May 26, 2007, 04:19:58 AM
You know that she will just dance circles around every one of those questions Ceric. Almost all of them can be resolved in a Yes/No or a one sentance reply. But that is based on the assumption that it isn't a live interview.
Billy wasted alot of questions, especially near the beginning. He did nail the Nintendo power question and he got an effective answer. He then got lead around for the next ten questions. The TGS follow up question was rubbish. The demand question brings nothing new to the table other than the fact that Kaplan thinks 7-8 Wiis is a "Stack". The last third of the interview breaks down completely and Kaplan eats him alive. His failure to maintain control become apparent with this...
Quote GI: So you’ve got things lined up after holidays…there’s not going to be a drought…
Kaplan: Noooooo….business ends December 31st, and we have nothing else going on. Yes, of course. We know that we don’t share a lot and it’s really frustrating. But yes we have a lot of great stuff coming.
It was a retarded question and Kaplan shows her displeasure. Billy should have known better than to bring a dick to a knife fight. Kaplan never says anything beyond the quater and Billy would have been better off spending more time grilling her about events so far and her own mistakes. Not asking about stuff that is above her pay grade. She is PR Billy, ask her about PR. Make her talk about herself, people love talking about themselfs.
Poor, poor Billy. Good entertainment never the less. Like a good snuff film, only now in a text format!
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2007, 04:30:02 AM
I realize a lot of those questions could be answered with simple answer but I like to know more about Kaplin herself and some of the inner workings of Nintendo because we all know we won't get anything truly juicy beyond the quarter so why not focus on some other interesting part of Nintendo? Actually I like to add what is her feelings and take on Nintendos new strategy and how different does she beleive it is from the old one.
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Post by: Plugabugz on May 26, 2007, 06:46:11 AM
Maybe next time NWR see her, you should ask about region free wii's!
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Post by: BigJim on May 26, 2007, 06:56:25 AM
Her role, possibly all of PR's role in general, seems to have been diminished over the years. She used to go to IGN or whoever with some new useful tidbits and people really looked forward to it.
Nowadays we get nothing until a press release or press event, and then she just repeats the message.
And of course, they fired Jim Merrick who was pretty good with useful information.
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2007, 08:52:20 AM
Jim Merrick was a godsend for the occasional leak of interesting information before he moved on. I think Nintendo could real generate more buzz with each bit of information by letting a little "slip" in interviews before the press releases.
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Post by: Kairon on May 26, 2007, 09:04:01 AM
Quote Originally posted by: oohhboy You know that she will just dance circles around every one of those questions Ceric. Almost all of them can be resolved in a Yes/No or a one sentance reply. But that is based on the assumption that it isn't a live interview.
Billy wasted alot of questions, especially near the beginning. He did nail the Nintendo power question and he got an effective answer. He then got lead around for the next ten questions. The TGS follow up question was rubbish. The demand question brings nothing new to the table other than the fact that Kaplan thinks 7-8 Wiis is a "Stack". The last third of the interview breaks down completely and Kaplan eats him alive. His failure to maintain control become apparent with this...
Quote GI: So you’ve got things lined up after holidays…there’s not going to be a drought…
Kaplan: Noooooo….business ends December 31st, and we have nothing else going on. Yes, of course. We know that we don’t share a lot and it’s really frustrating. But yes we have a lot of great stuff coming.
It was a retarded question and Kaplan shows her displeasure. Billy should have known better than to bring a dick to a knife fight. Kaplan never says anything beyond the quater and Billy would have been better off spending more time grilling her about events so far and her own mistakes. Not asking about stuff that is above her pay grade. She is PR Billy, ask her about PR. Make her talk about herself, people love talking about themselfs.
Poor, poor Billy. Good entertainment never the less. Like a good snuff film, only now in a text format!
QFT.
Why isn't anyone else here appreciating the mastery of Perrin's conversation, and Billy's complete kerfluffle when confronted with it? It's like poetry in motion, ballet, opera... and experimental jazz!
And she's SO WILLING to talk about things, but, the interviewee has to be able to give and take at her level. They have to treat this as a hyper-realized conversation, not as a Q & A session. In Q & A PR immediately falls into predictable rote procedures that no one really wants, and the interviewer is at the whim of company policy. If they REALLY want to get the juicy journalism stuff, they gotta up their game, and be as charming, deft, and agile as Perrin, gaining subtle and indirect insights that aren't PR admissions but rather hints at secrets that couldn't be revealed otherwise.
Journalism is about more than asking all the required questions and accepting the answers. It's about the SKILL at which you winkle such answers out of your partner. Someone needs to get up there, and give Perrin a run for her money, because so far she's going quite unchallenged.
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Post by: Kairon on May 26, 2007, 09:07:55 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Ceric Jim Merrick was a godsend for the occasional leak of interesting information before he moved on. I think Nintendo could real generate more buzz with each bit of information by letting a little "slip" in interviews before the press releases.
Aren't you thinking about this from too hardcore a perspective? Videogamers don't buy ANYTHING based on interviews with PR people. And leaks, though they make the internet flare up, are more often than not HUGELY destructive to a company's plans (X360 Elite leak is a case in point, as is the Home leak).
Perrin's absolute pwnage of Billy in that interview really amounts to nothing more than some internet entertainment, and she knows this... which is why she has fun with these, such as when she admired the Booth Hunks in the E3 2006 itnerview, and why she had Matt Cassamassina itnerview her while they both sat on the floor and she played with his hair.
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Post by: trip1eX on May 26, 2007, 11:37:36 AM
You Freaks!!!
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Post by: Deguello on May 26, 2007, 11:53:14 AM
Kairon's right. Sometimes you have to separate yourself from the internet and this forum and look in from the outside. And from the outside, some of us are a little freaky.
And this isn't a PR "Gaffe" by any stretch. A PR Gaffe is claiming that PS3's are sold out and offering $1200 for each one found. A PR Gaffe is telling average consumers that they should feel up to working two jobs to get something. A PR Gaffe is saying everything is absolutely alright with a defective product because it is designed to be that way. Those sorts of things impeach the credibility and sanity of both the interviewee and the company who sent him. This doesn't. Heck this whole thread is attempting to rabble rouse on an emotional level, when if you read it IN THE CONTEXT of the source, it's not bad at all.
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Post by: Galford on May 26, 2007, 01:54:02 PM
Well at least this thread didn't devolve into who would have sex with Kaplan like it did over at NeoGaf.
But really, did she need to insult Billy? He is a hardcore gamer who still stumps for Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't have too many of those anymore, you would think she would be a littler nicer to him.
Could anyone here get a hold of Billy for comments?
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Post by: BigJim on May 26, 2007, 02:47:45 PM
I wouldn't be offended by it. Can't speak for him, but I'd doubt he was either.
She was making a point -- the "freaks" aren't their target anymore, as much as they like to double-speak it. That's more bothersome than being called a freak.
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Post by: Shift Key on May 26, 2007, 03:11:06 PM
PR people are up there with lawyers on my list of people that I have disdain for. You know what they're going to say, so why even both with an interview?
But that comment is pretty hilarious. The first thing I do in the morning is shower (or get a strong coffee, then shower) so perhaps I need a decent Wii game to test this theory.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 26, 2007, 04:58:48 PM
I really think you are taking what she said far too seriously, it came accross as a friendly jab, nothing meant to be insulting.
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 26, 2007, 05:44:03 PM
This is Midna Kaplan we are talking about here...
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Post by: 18 Days on May 27, 2007, 03:18:00 AM
Coming soon: Wii Hygiene, Determine the Age of Your Smell
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Post by: BigJim on May 27, 2007, 09:54:02 AM
Quote Originally posted by: 18 Days Coming soon: Wii Hygiene, Determine the Age of Your Smell
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Post by: Kairon on May 27, 2007, 10:02:53 AM
You can do that in Ubisoft's Life Coach game for DS: sign contracts with yourself to take a shower more than twice a month.
~via Wii browser
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 28, 2007, 03:54:05 AM
I believe in the drought, but I don't think it has been any worse than your average post-launch drought. In fact, it's arguably better than a lot of them.
Perrin's point is fair: hardcore gamers are hard to please. It takes a few big releases every month to keep the majority of us happy. I think what really bothers people isn't that Kaplan jokingly referred to us as freaks (are you going to go cry to your mommy?) but that she's implying that we're not that important to Nintendo anymore. Which is sadly true. See what people at the Nintendo press event last week have to say about it - to quote Penny Arcade, "...the lineup available described a company and their casual paramours locked in a passionate embrace."
So you can: (a) Adapt. (b) Switch teams / go multiplatform. (c) Become a lapsed gamer (kind of ironic considering that's a market Nintendo is trying to revive).
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Post by: that Baby guy on May 28, 2007, 07:26:05 AM
But that's the thing. Hardcore gamers are important to Nintendo. We're getting all the same games as before at the same rates as before, at least, we are from Nintendo. I don't see how people don't see that.
Would we have Custom Robo: Arena if we weren't? New Super Mario Bros? Metroid Prime Hunters? Yoshi's Island 2? Zelda TP? Super Paper Mario? The Godfather?
Would we be getting SMG, SSB:B, and Metroid Prime 3 all this year if we weren't? What about Disaster: DoC or Project Hammer. Apparently, there will be lot's of games for us at E3, so can't we wait until then to complain about them all?
And don't forget why Wario Ware was successful in the first place: Hardcore gamers liked it enough for sequels to be made, and then it's audience opened some. I count Wario Ware: Smooth Moves as a game for us, after all, it is made in the same essence of the original.
Though I can't say for certain, I'm pretty sure Nintendo is releasing about the same amount of games for the hardcore as they always have, and have just increased the number of games they are releasing for the new casual gamers. Essentially, isn't more games better for us? We may not like every mini-game-like game, but one or two a year can be pretty fun, and it isn't like we're missing out on new franchises and old series by gaining these.
I mean, with the GC, everyone complained about droughts. Now, there haven't been any droughts, so people complain about games. When there is no drought and tons of games people like, they say companies should have spread things out better, rather than being happy that they have games they like. Let's face it. It is impossible to satisfy the hardcore gamer. Some of them are freaks. Really. She's right. The thing is, most of these freaks don't even realize it, either, and I think Kaplan is trying to help them realize that they have problems.
I just think people will never be satisfied with anything in the gaming realm. It's ridiculous.
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Post by: Ceric on May 28, 2007, 08:02:57 AM
New Super Mario Bros. has universal appeal so I think it would have come anyway. Thats all I want to add.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 28, 2007, 08:10:28 AM
"Billy should have known better than to bring a dick to a knife fight."
I don't know about you but I bring my dick everywhere.
For the last few years Kaplan never seems to say the right thing. There actually are gamers that are kinda freakish. There are ones that look like Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons and some of them do smell. I don't think that's a good choice of words because it's really dumb to insult your fans. Even though I think it's blantantly obvious that Nintendo doesn't care about hardcore gamers anymore they should still want our money if they can get it. There's no advantage in losing customers which making fun of them risks doing. It is however not nearly as bad as some of the stuff Krazy Kenny was saying about the PS3 or PSP.
I personally am more annoyed by the assumption that those who feel there is a drought are the really hardcore types. I think ANYONE with some taste should find the current lineup to be lacking. The third party games are crappy and Nintendo has not released very many gamer-games. They're coming but they're not here yet. I prefer the Cube's lineup from the approximate same time period. At this point with the Cube I was bored BUT I'd say the lineup of games was better. I don't think Nintendo understands the scope of what a "traditional gamer" is. It doesn't just mean super hardcore gamers the are "freaks" and smell bad. It means anyone who had an interest in games last gen before Nintendo decided to target non-gamers. You've got this new audience that is buying Nintendo's products. The remainder is the "traditional gamers" group. This is the group Nintendo would be focusing on if they had never started this non-gamer stuff. That isn't just a buncha nerds. That's just people who like videogames.
Though I don't know how well we would do in Perrin's shoes. A drought related question is pretty much the same as someone asking "why are you f*cking up?" A drought is a f*ck-up. Nintendo reps probably don't like being asked about f*ck-ups particularly when it was beyond their control. I imagine it can be hard to spin that in a positive way.
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 28, 2007, 08:16:29 AM
thatguy: I agree that Nintendo's "hardcore" game lineup is still pretty impressive, probably equal to previous generations, but I think we're beginning to witness a turning point: Games like Brain Age are selling amazingly well and cost very little to develop, while games like Twighlight Princess are doing "just okay" in spite of their multi-million dollar budgets. Will Nintendo really keep subsidizing Zelda and Metroid with its other products?
I don't think so. In fact we're already seeing prototypes for the "new" Legend of Zelda - Four Swords and Phantom Hourglass are experimenting with multiplayer options and other stuff that some of us old-timers might consider heresy for a Zelda game. I'm guessing more simplistic game design could also be on the agenda, a la New Super Mario Bros. Maybe we'll even see a return to 2D Zelda games, who knows?
I'm not really against all this, I actually find it really exciting and I like some of Nintendo's new "non games", I'm just giving my opinion on where Nintendo is headed, and it seems like there's a lot of supporting evidence out there.
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Post by: Ceric on May 28, 2007, 09:03:24 AM
NSMB was too simplistic and unvaried. Though I wouldn't mind another 2D Zelda personally. Also wouldn't mind another Four Swords while we are at it.
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Post by: Urkel on May 28, 2007, 06:19:35 PM
Whenever someone brings up this talk of Nintendo ignoring/abandoning/betraying the hardcore gamers it always leaves me a bit confused. Mainly because nobody ever really bothers explaining what that actually means.
I mean, I don't see anybody suggesting that Nintendo is going to discontinue the Zelda series, or that they're going to make the next Fire Emblem a minigame compilation. And of course nobody has even dared to say that the hardcore are being neglected with the DS in quite some time. So help me out here, guys. What-- SPECIFICALLY -- are you worried Nintendo isn't doing/wont do for hardcore gamers that they used to? And, no, a drought after launch doesn't count as ignoring the hardcore since every console in history has had one.
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Post by: oohhboy on May 28, 2007, 07:12:43 PM
There is a fair bit of diffence between the marketing speak and what they actually do. While it is true that there are more non-games coming out, they require only a fraction of a hardcore title's resources to make. The market to the hardcore has only really expanded with the normal population growth and resources used in making those games have grown accordingly.
The non-game market is expanding so fast because they are cheap and they sell tons of copies, which in turn fund even more non-games than the equivalent blockbuster for the same revenue.
The hardcore arn't shrinking. There are use as many of us now as there was last generation. It is just the proportion that is shrinking as the market grows out beyond what there was before it. As the matter of fact, the hardcore has much to gain from the non-game sector. Not all that profit from non-games are going back to non-games, some will reach the hardcore and improve them accordingly.
That being said, the hardcore are some of the most important players, especailly during launch. We are the ones that will buy up the launch product, we spread the initial hype, we form the very foundation of a console. Without us pushing developers to make bigger, better games, all anyone would get will be crappy TV games advertised showing horrible graphics and non-existant gameplay.
Yes, having more casual players will mean we will have more games like Horsez and Catz, but going hardcore only does no good. The 360 continues to be sluggish even though it caters to the hadrcore almost exclusively. The PS3 is even more hardcore by aiming for the absolute high end of the hardcore market with BIGGER, MORE POWERRRR ROOOAAARR HOHOHOHO.
We need each other, so fear not the casual.
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Post by: Maverick on May 30, 2007, 07:33:30 AM
The funny thing is that I never thought of myself as a "hardcore gamer" until after this generation. It's like all of the sudden since I enjoy single player games I'm part of the "old school" or something.
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 30, 2007, 10:51:53 AM
Enjoying 50-hour single player games WILL make us part of the "old school"...just like arcadey games with lots of action and hardly any collecting became old school ten years ago thanks to companies like Square Enix, Rare, and even Nintendo. Today they're represented by a small selection of niche titles like Viewtiful Joe, Alien Hominid and Ikaruga.
And it's not Nintendo's "fault" either. Casual gaming has been growing on the Internet for a few years now - Nintendo is just the first major player to figure out how to translate those enthusiasts to home console owners. It would have happened eventually anyway.
Title: RE: Perrin thinks we're freaks, and not the good kind.
Post by: Kairon on June 05, 2007, 10:28:12 PM
As true as this is though, Perrin should've NEVER risked alienating her userbase.
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Post by: ShreddersDojo on June 07, 2007, 02:20:00 AM
Quote Originally posted by: darknight06 Well, the average person isn't bitching about a Zelda timeline neither. In a way I agree with the assesment. Most gamers DO go through games like water these days. Finish one cup, go to the other. It's like a game these days is only as good as it lasts before one "beats" it.
That's pretty much how I feel about 3D games these days..... I find most don't have allot of replay value due to the wandering around one does. Heh, I was reading the Zelda 2 review on the front page, and how NWR says that towns and people being added was a good thing. I hated that as a kid. The townspeople always said useless stuff 99.5% of the game .
Angry Nintendo Nerd summoning: 'Why should I talk to you? You never tell me anything useful! Be Gone!'
The good games are the ones you feel you don't 'have to beat' but will pick up again and again just for fun. Most 3D games just don't have that for me.
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Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 10:16:23 AM
Yeah, I've come to appreciate certain less ambitious, more laid back, and simply entertaining games more nowadays. Like GUN, for example! I was surprised, but that was a game that was not uber complex, but relaxing AND entertaining to play!
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 07, 2007, 10:25:15 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon Yeah, I've come to appreciate certain less ambitious, more laid back, and simply entertaining games more nowadays. Like GUN, for example! I was surprised, but that was a game that was not uber complex, but relaxing AND entertaining to play!
Ewww.
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Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 10:30:45 AM
Oh for gosh sakes. It was GTA Lite, with Zelda-esque controls, good voice acting and a nifty western theme. The world was small enough to be manageable, and you got a HORSE right off the bat!
... I swear sometimes I think people have forgotten how to relax and have fun.
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Post by: The Omen on June 07, 2007, 10:38:37 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon Oh for gosh sakes. It was GTA Lite, with Zelda-esque controls, good voice acting and a nifty western theme. The world was small enough to be manageable, and you got a HORSE right off the bat!
... I swear sometimes I think people have forgotten how to relax and have fun.
Gun is a fun game, so I agree with you.
And I'm so glad Perrin has flown the coup...I've hated her since I first read anything she shat out.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 07, 2007, 10:47:10 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon Oh for gosh sakes. It was GTA Lite, with Zelda-esque controls, good voice acting and a nifty western theme. The world was small enough to be manageable, and you got a HORSE right off the bat!
... I swear sometimes I think people have forgotten how to relax and have fun.
It was easy and had gameplay flaws that should have ended years ago (Like the awful invisible barriers it had).
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Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 11:00:04 AM
Quote Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon Oh for gosh sakes. It was GTA Lite, with Zelda-esque controls, good voice acting and a nifty western theme. The world was small enough to be manageable, and you got a HORSE right off the bat!
... I swear sometimes I think people have forgotten how to relax and have fun.
It was easy and had gameplay flaws that should have ended years ago (Like the awful invisible barriers it had).
WHO CARES?!?! It was FUN!
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 07, 2007, 01:00:28 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon
Quote Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon Oh for gosh sakes. It was GTA Lite, with Zelda-esque controls, good voice acting and a nifty western theme. The world was small enough to be manageable, and you got a HORSE right off the bat!
... I swear sometimes I think people have forgotten how to relax and have fun.
It was easy and had gameplay flaws that should have ended years ago (Like the awful invisible barriers it had).
WHO CARES?!?! It was FUN!
Well I wouldn't if the game around it was actually good.
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Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 02:27:51 PM
Quote Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon Yeah, I've come to appreciate certain less ambitious, more laid back, and simply entertaining games more nowadays. Like GUN, for example! I was surprised, but that was a game that was not uber complex, but relaxing AND entertaining to play!
Ewww.
You know what OTHER game will be GTA - Lite? Harry Potter.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 07, 2007, 02:32:44 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon
Quote Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon Yeah, I've come to appreciate certain less ambitious, more laid back, and simply entertaining games more nowadays. Like GUN, for example! I was surprised, but that was a game that was not uber complex, but relaxing AND entertaining to play!
Ewww.
You know what OTHER game will be GTA - Lite? Harry Potter.
We'll see, I hope it turns out good but the others haven't been anything special, they were fun but nothing to write home about.
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Post by: wandering on June 07, 2007, 10:21:07 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon Oh for gosh sakes. It was GTA Lite, with Zelda-esque controls, good voice acting and a nifty western theme. The world was small enough to be manageable, and you got a HORSE right off the bat!
... I swear sometimes I think people have forgotten how to relax and have fun.
You like mediocre dishes because you refuse to patronize all restaurants but one, and that restaurant has a small selection.
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Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2007, 10:49:09 PM
When you have to pay membership fees upwards of $400 to eat at these restaurants, you only eat at one.
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Post by: Gamebasher on June 08, 2007, 09:17:43 AM
$400?
That is one insane amount for a membership.
I guess people think they are then "exclusive members" of some joint that happens to have a fancy name, which enough people have joined to make it respectable. Jeez, I could buy a lot of games for that amount, and still have money left for eating out!
By the way, I am sad over the loss of Perrin Kaplan. She is a sweet, smart and beautifull woman who gave Nintendo a good public image, despite her sometimes short responses to interviewers.
I think that Nintendo should be carefull what they do with their management policies in the future, so that they don´t just go, and make rash business decisions which badly affects trusted employees who loyally served them for many years. I know that can sound short-sighted, but I simply think that employees are as much the company as is the management for none can do without the other. If you just upend the lives of trusted employees, you commit a crime called betrayal. Call me what you like, I stand by what I say.
They should have talked this through with the sales staff first, and go for a milder solution in the form of a closer proximity relocation, and not just impose it directly on them with an one choice package, or it´s out-solution. It´s not morally sound to just give people the option of coming along to the new location, when you know how much they have where they live now. Friends, familiy, places, memories.
People can´t always just move hundreds of miles away to suit the management. They might as well have fired them on the spot. The way I see this move by Nintendo, is that they are moving into territory where they start to remind me of just any other company who don´t give a hoot about what employees thinks but more about what their own pocketbooks and investors will benefit from. BAD karma, if you ask me!
I mourn the loss of these greats at Nintendo, including George Harrison. It is obvious to me that Nintendo knows they´re pri... doing this to such good people, and are trying to tone it down to not lose face in the public. Too bad for them that the whole world now knows what they did to these fine people, so they could be whatever they´re trying to achieve with this audacious move. I definitely did not expect this to come from Nintendo. What is wrong with Redmond, anyway? I am shocked!