Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 21, 2007, 05:58:37 PM
Both parties have sincere sounded testimonies, but only one is relevant towards solving the case.
COURT IS IN SESSION!
Judge Pap here! Let's present the parties!
The NWR users will be the jury.
The thread where the debacle started.
Party 1
Name: Deguello and NWR community
Occupation: NWR member, reviewer
Story: Claims that he was treated unjustly after he went to the chat room to complain about the site posting his reviews without notifying him.
Witness: Pro 666
Claims that the website gets easy perks despite it being a blog that chronicles other websites. A Oprah like site in other words.
Party 2
Name: The Go Nintendo staff
Occupation: Nintendo blog
Story: RMC claims that he never knew of the story because Deguello never contacted him about it. Says that he feels bad about it. The site is also accused of getting easy press perks, no original content, RMC insulting its readers and never shaving or bathing.
Witness: The Go Nintendo staff
*They couldn't be contacted
So, who is the guilty party here? Is Deguello playing the victim card, or is Go Nintendo neglecting basic courtesy laws?
DISCUSS!
NOTE: Deguello and the NWR staff, if you feel that the issue is too serious to be made fun of feel free to discuss.
But considering the NWR users have run away with more serious stuff in the past this shouldn't be a problem.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 21, 2007, 06:14:46 PM
"I've never been a fan of this series, but now that it's coming to a Nintendo system, I've always been excited about it! What do you guys think?!?!"
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 21, 2007, 06:20:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Where is this thread? I want to join in on the GoDebacle.
"I've never been a fan of this series, but now that it's coming to a Nintendo system, I've always been excited about it! What do you guys think?!?!"
The thread where the debacle started.
Note that the thread was about the constant negative editorials about the Wii, but in typical NWR fashion it was derailed into what you see here today.
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 06:24:04 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 21, 2007, 06:31:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
What?!?!? I... I... I wasn't mentioned? (and after all that work I did in the original thread!)
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Sorry, didn't know where to place you in the case. You might be a witness that testified.
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 06:42:51 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
P.S. Lolz
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 21, 2007, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on April 21, 2007, 07:34:37 PM
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 07:39:06 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Shift Key on April 21, 2007, 08:01:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
How much you wanna bet the next Mafia game is based on this?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
I pity the person who gets the RMC role. Becasue we'll make him roleplay every day and he will be immune from death.
Post by: HadesGigas on April 21, 2007, 08:50:47 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 21, 2007, 08:55:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
How much you wanna bet the next Mafia game is based on this?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
If it happened, I would be more than honored, since it would be the first time something I started became a Mafia theme.
Post by: NotRimmer on April 21, 2007, 09:14:26 PM
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Originally posted by: HadesGigas
US JOURNALISTS US JOURNALISTS US VETERAN JOURNALISTS
It's funny because it should be WE journalists
Post by: ShyGuy on April 22, 2007, 04:26:34 AM
Post by: Caliban on April 22, 2007, 05:02:53 AM
Maybe NWR just doesn't want free publicity, clicks on their ads, or money.
Yes, NWR is doomed, only the forums will survive.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 22, 2007, 08:05:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Wtf is wrong with you guys, NWR is a news site so supposedly we have amateur "journalists" and they have to go by with strict rules, GoNintendo is a blog and so therefore they can do whatever the hell they want.
Maybe NWR just doesn't want free publicity, clicks on their ads, or money.
Yes, NWR is doomed, only the forums will survive.
The issue lies with how Deguello was treated. His story is strong enough that its convincing and merits the investigation.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 22, 2007, 08:48:33 AM
If they just posted a snippet and forced people to click the link to see it on NWR, it would be fine.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 22, 2007, 08:51:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
The issues also lie in how GoNintendo posts the full article on their site so NWR never sees the hits.
If they just posted a snippet and forced people to click the link to see it on NWR, it would be fine.
Actually, they only post a snippet and include a link.
At least I've never seen them post the whole article.
However, they do post the final paragraph of the review, meaning that people get the gist of it without reading the whole thing.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 22, 2007, 08:53:28 AM
Post by: Caliban on April 22, 2007, 08:59:19 AM
So they put up the whole review? Or was it an article? There were no Links? What was it? Please be more specific.
Edit: From reading previous post I can now understand the situation.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 22, 2007, 08:59:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
That was Deg's primary complaint so I'd assume it's a valid one.
His complain is that he wasn't notified. Posting reviews is supposedly normal, but the common courtesy is that the author is notified that his or her review is being used.
And Caliban you have to ask Deguello that. I don't know the details of it, just that he went to complain and was treated like crap.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 22, 2007, 09:33:11 AM
It's basically using someone else's work to earn attention for your site and giving their site the shaft. NWR is an actual site trying to get by while GoNintendo is just a goddamn blog. NWR needs those clicks for ad traffic far more than GN does.
It's not being treated like crap that Deg didn't care for (though I'm sure it didn't help). It's having his work used to generate traffic for a site OTHER than NWR.
This isn't a case. This is clearly GN being in the wrong for what they're doing. If they're going to mention NWR's reviews, then they need to post the first paragraph and then have the link to the review on NWR's site.
Though, I just checked their front page and did a search for reviews and it DOES have just a paragraph and then the link to the site right after that. Maybe they only recently started doing this?
Post by: Arbok on April 22, 2007, 09:51:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
So they put up the whole review? Or was it an article? There were no Links? What was it? Please be more specific.
If anyone wants to see how they do it, here ya go:
http://gonintendo.com/?p=12833
They don't post the whole review, not even close. They just post a small snipit, without even citing the score, and then give a link so that people can read the whole thing. I see nothing wrong with their method in the least, except for the fact that they only credit the site and not the author of the piece.
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Though, I just checked their front page and did a search for reviews and it DOES have just a paragraph and then the link to the site right after that. Maybe they only recently started doing this?
No, they have not. I'm not a huge fan of Gonintendo or anything, but I'm pretty saddned to see the amount of bandwagoning going on here when people aren't even familiar with the other site... People were complaining about the GoNintendo users, but I mean look what is happening here.
Personally, I don't think GoNintendo needs to contact a site everytime they post a small snipit and a link to the source. That's fine, it's fair use. I think the only case that can be made here, as I stated, is that they should cite the author of the piece instead of just the website that it came from.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 22, 2007, 09:54:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Though, I just checked their front page and did a search for reviews and it DOES have just a paragraph and then the link to the site right after that. Maybe they only recently started doing this?
I was about to suggest that since I've never seen them post entire articles or reviews. They just post either the opening or ending paragraph and post the link.
Like I said, Deguello and maybe the GN staff know the full story.
And I have to agree with Arbok. While I do believe Deguello's story it just seem that the hate some of the NWR users have towards GN is because of HIS issues with the site and decide to blindly hate without even doing some research.
I at least checked the site to how they handled reviews and asked the webmaster and editor directly how and why they do the things they do and get HIS side of the story.
Frankly, I think we just started a Nintendo version of "West Side Story". All we need is one NWR user to fall in love with a GN user and the whole play is set.
EDIT: One other thing, here we are discussion the relations of GN and NWR, and yet none of the NWR mods or staff have come in to put their two cents on the issue. For all we know, they don't give a rat's ass while we are tearing each other's heads off over it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 22, 2007, 10:51:10 AM
Maybe just politely ask that he post the name of the reviewer who wrote the review as well as emailing the site to notify them that he has posted it.
That would probably put this whole thing to bed in one fell swoop.
Post by: Ceric on April 22, 2007, 04:12:49 PM
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on April 22, 2007, 04:26:00 PM
With that being said, I can understand where Jeff's coming from, so I know why he's angry about it.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 22, 2007, 08:24:23 PM
Post by: Ceric on April 23, 2007, 04:18:44 AM
Post by: Shift Key on April 23, 2007, 09:15:43 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Google caches entire sites. I hope they get sued into oblivion! [/deguello]
No-one uses Google. Stop trolling.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 24, 2007, 07:30:35 AM
Post by: vudu on April 24, 2007, 08:34:01 AM
QuoteThey generally don't post the entire review; however, they do usually post the "conclusion" section of the review, which tends to give the reviewer's final opinion on the game.
Originally posted by: Arbok
They don't post the whole review, not even close. They just post a small snipit, without even citing the score, and then give a link so that people can read the whole thing. I see nothing wrong with their method in the least, except for the fact that they only credit the site and not the author of the piece.
When you move away from reviews and into "news" (and I use the phrase lightly in some cases) posts, generally the entire article is copied (or at least all the important parts). Behold, the following exhibits!
GoNintendo's list of unannounced Wii games. Original article.
GoNintendo's article about not modding your Wii. Original article.
GoNintendo's summary of IGN's FFXIII interview. Original interview.
