Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 16, 2007, 07:53:31 AM
What the crap??
Me thinks that this is the analysts trying to pin down some sort of flaw or doom theory on the Wii's success in hopes that they will eventually be proven right when the time comes.
Not even the DS got this much crap...
Am I the only one that noticed this?
Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2007, 07:59:56 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2007, 08:10:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Whether or not the writer believes what he writes, it increases website hits due to angry Nintendo fanboys.
Which only proves that Nintendo Fanboys are on the rise and rule the Ether...
Post by: ShyGuy on April 16, 2007, 08:10:27 AM
Sup, 3.5 Super Swing Golf Review
(joke!)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 16, 2007, 08:12:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Whether or not the writer believes what he writes, it increases website hits due to angry Nintendo fanboys.
You might be right. I mean, the bad PS3 news happen so often that making a negative editorial about it is like beating the hell out of a sick dog.
The Wii, on the other hand, is so successful that taking shots at it would guarantee attention.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 16, 2007, 08:32:25 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 16, 2007, 08:33:16 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64 You might be right. I mean, the bad PS3 news happen so often that making a negative editorial about it is like beating the hell out of a sick dog.
LOL.
"The PS3. It's like a sick dog you can beat the hell out of...INSIDE!"
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Sour grapes.
That's a good point: there's no evidence that these f*ckers even own Wiis yet, but as we all know, that doesn't stop people from saying bad things about it.
Post by: Artimus on April 16, 2007, 09:16:50 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 16, 2007, 09:30:53 AM
Though I think the Wii is very polarizing system. Opinions differ as demonstrated by some of the inconsisent review scores. I think the Wii also disturbs the status quo and anyone who likes the status quo is going to be hostile towards in. My whole dislike of non-gaming is largely because of a fear of having the game industry no longer target me as a customer and thus no longer make games I would be interested in. So there's going to be hostility towards the Wii from those that don't really want gaming to turn in the direction Nintendo wants things to go.
Plus if you personally dislike something and it's becoming popular you instinctively want to kill the momentum because if what you dislike becomes popular then you effectively become an outsider and your opinion is in the minority.
And of course controversy attracts readers.
Post by: that Baby guy on April 16, 2007, 09:41:44 AM
When looking at this website, CB games, it's obvious that it's built to look like it's impressive, in both stature and and utility. However, looking at the articles, I see that it is instead basically run by one person, William Usher, with maybe a few stories being done by the guy that wrote that editorial. So what does this website gain by making a big story that sounds like it makes sense? Traffic and name-recognition, something I don't believe they already have. Odds are that they are using Nintendo to bolster their image. It won't work, obviously, as they suck as a gaming website, with all the old news you could ever need, that every other website already has, but they are still trying.
Also, people always like to see the top dog go down, and the underdog rise up. Eventually, the roles are switched, and people root for the opposites. Look at what's happened to Sony. Websites love to post news about how poorly Sony is doing right now, even though, in all reality, the PS3 is fairing better than the PS2 did. They loved to post success stories of Microsoft and the Wii, because both of these were the underdog at the start of this generation. Now, we see that roles are beginning to switch, and with this, we'll see opinions of Sony begin to grow more positive, and opinions of Nintendo will begin to sour compared to a few months ago.
That's all what I think, though.
The main thing is that the editorial is a cash in.
Edit: Also note that the majority of the website's fanbase is Xbots. I found that by voting in a poll there, along with how they spin things about the 360 compared to Wii and PS3 stuffs.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Who-Will-Dominate-2008-Wii-PS3-Or-Xbox-360-Check-The-Results-3786.html
Post by: Strell on April 16, 2007, 10:07:23 AM
As for the articles, they are all sensationalistic and tend to ignore a lot of facts to try and pounce on something that's so mediocre and small that the only reason they bring it up is to try and spill some traffic over to their site. Maybe they've got a good argument, but half the time it's buried underneath a lot of childish ranting and juvenile rhetoric.
It seems pretty simple - a console with less graphics and unique controls comes out - something that is completely baffling and against the grain - and manages to go on a selling spree, and a good portion of the hardcore audience can't handle it. Period.
These are the same people who make arguments like "Mario games are old" but then complain about how "Man I can't blow up the door in Call of Duty 3 wtf!" As if shooting Nazis for the umpteenth time was an original (or fun) idea, instead of being a rotting horse carcass that got dry humped into dust 5 years ago.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 16, 2007, 11:38:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Strell It seems pretty simple - a console with less graphics and unique controls comes out - something that is completely baffling and against the grain - and manages to go on a selling spree, and a good portion of the hardcore audience can't handle it. Period.
Well said.
I think this is akin to how the British soldiers who marched back to their ships after they had been defeated at the end of the American Revolution played "The World Turned Upside Down" on their drums as they did so.
They've lost and they cannot understand how they lost so all they can do is cry foul.
Post by: Kairon on April 16, 2007, 11:51:36 AM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: King of Twitch on April 16, 2007, 12:31:12 PM
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Post by: couchmonkey on April 17, 2007, 04:58:20 AM
I think Ian has a lot of good points on this particular topic. The system does freak a lot of hardcore gamers out because it's not the status quo, and pro-Wii editorials wouldn't be too interesting (although I think a pro-Wii editorial tearing down common "Wii is going to be short-lived" arguments would be nice).
Post by: 31 Flavas on April 17, 2007, 08:24:57 AM
QuoteWell, it's anti-establishment. Wii is proposing an alternate way to enjoy video games. And like evolution to a devout Christian or Catholic... There is no alternate way or alternate explanation. Video games are just supposed to be made and played in certain ways.
Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I think Ian has a lot of good points on this particular topic. The system does freak a lot of hardcore gamers out because it's not the status quo [...]
And now that Wii and DS are starting to seriously rock the boat, "hardcore" (as Ian describes well) are getting skittish and nervous. Am I being marginalized? Is my rein of power, domination, "correct-ness"... Is it all coming to an end? Are the games that I like going to go away?
Well let me be the first to say it, if it hasn't already been said. No, the "hardcore" games are not going away. I'll repeat that one more time so those in the back can hear. "Hardcore" games are not going away. All your GTA's, Metal Gear's, infinite Final Fantasies, and Dragon Quests will live on.
But! You are going to have to live with the fact that "hardcore" games such the aforementioned are not always going to be the top selling video games. Or in other words, accepting that Wii Sport / Wii Play / Nintendogs / Brain Trainer / Brain Age are AAA blockbuster games and it doesn't matter that they are beating the snot out of every other video game save Pokemon and New Super Mario in sales at the moment.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 18, 2007, 02:54:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
It's because GoNintendo posts EVERYTHING ever written about Nintendo. They need to start actually asking themselves whether something is worse reading.
But That is what makes GoNintendo so great.
It is literally the BEST site to go to hear any news about Nintendo. They are basically the Drudge Report for Nintendo. If there is a story out there about Nintendo you should be able to find a link to it at GoNintendo.
Basically, GoNintendo is a true news site. They are reporting the news to you...or on the internet they are reporting where to find and read the news.
Whether you read that article or not is your choice.
I have much respect for that site.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 18, 2007, 08:32:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-SpangQuote
Originally posted by: Artimus
It's because GoNintendo posts EVERYTHING ever written about Nintendo. They need to start actually asking themselves whether something is worse reading.
But That is what makes GoNintendo so great.
It is literally the BEST site to go to hear any news about Nintendo. They are basically the Drudge Report for Nintendo. If there is a story out there about Nintendo you should be able to find a link to it at GoNintendo.
Basically, GoNintendo is a true news site. They are reporting the news to you...or on the internet they are reporting where to find and read the news.
Whether you read that article or not is your choice.
I have much respect for that site.
Be careful how you put that! The NWR staff might think you are advertising for them!
In all seriousness, I personally don't like it when they post the shock news, but overall I like the site because not only are they constantly updated they sum up a lot of news, some which I might have missed because they were featured on a really obscure website.
Post by: Strell on April 19, 2007, 05:52:50 AM
Because if he's doing it in addition to a job, wow.
Does he not need food? Or rest?
...
Is he a robot?
Post by: vudu on April 19, 2007, 07:06:28 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 19, 2007, 07:14:25 AM
RMC is AWFULLY loyal to the site and its readers and even with site issues he still finds time to post news stories.
Not only that, he answers fan mail as well. I talked to him about how I felt about the site posting shock articles and submitted the Luigi gets arrested story and gave me credit for it.
Post by: Blue Plant on April 19, 2007, 07:23:33 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 19, 2007, 09:30:46 AM
I just e-mailed RMC the same question. He told me that he sometimes bans e-mails of trollers. I also asked him if he was getting money off of Go Nintendo and he answered yes, he does get money from Go Nintendo.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2007, 09:50:43 AM
"click here to read the full article and refresh the page and reload new ads. i'm not a journalist and i don't spend much time to verify the information i post since most readers will read the full article and load more ads and eventually email me i'm wrong then i can update the page so readers can come back and reload the same page with new ads and in the end nintendo seems fit to give me free stuff isn't this job great?"
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 19, 2007, 10:02:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
"what do you guys think?"
"click here to read the full article and refresh the page and reload new ads. i'm not a journalist and i don't spend much time to verify the information i post since most readers will read the full article and load more ads and eventually email me i'm wrong then i can update the page so readers can come back and reload the same page with new ads and in the end nintendo seems fit to give me free stuff isn't this job great?"
OK seriously, what has the site and the creators done to you that makes them worthy of your angst?
I noticed that some people around here have some sort of issue with the website, why exactly? I suspect that some of the members may go there to post troll comments about the website and its creators.
There are some websites that are anger and angst worthy, yet Go Nintendo seems to receive a lot of it.
I want to know why exactly.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 19, 2007, 10:03:26 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on April 19, 2007, 10:05:26 AM
I for one like GoNintendo and enjoy their podcasts. Rawmeat isn't a journalist; his website serves the purpose of being a accumulation for anything that has the word Nintendo in it.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 19, 2007, 10:13:55 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuyI for one like GoNintendo and enjoy their podcasts. Rawmeat isn't a journalist; his website serves the purpose of being a accumulation for anything that has the word Nintendo in it.
So maybe that's why some users have issues with the site...
Personally, I don't mind it at all. I mean, it serves its purpose well and like I mentioned earlier they post news from some obscure websites that I might have missed. And they give a direct link to the original source or credit the user that submitted it, so its not like they claim it as their own find.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2007, 10:23:08 AM
1. Throw mud at what's popular
2. Give negative news (about anything) unnecessary amounts of attention
I poke at the "post first, ask questions later" nature of GoNintendo, which bypasses information validity and common sense to set it on the path to quick "media outlet superstardom". It shakes the notion of having an "established game news/review site" to build press relationships with game makers, simply by being a "hub" and not focusing on their own original content (yeah, whut the hell). It falls in line with Time's most recent "person of the year" concept.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 19, 2007, 10:28:01 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2007, 10:33:26 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 19, 2007, 10:36:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Precisely.
1. Throw mud at what's popular
2. Give negative news (about anything) unnecessary amounts of attention
I poke at the "post first, ask questions later" nature of GoNintendo, which bypasses information validity and common sense to set it on the path to quick "media outlet superstardom". It shakes the notion of having an "established game news/review site" to build press relationships with game makers, simply by being a "hub" and not focusing on their own original content (yeah, whut the hell). It falls in line with Time's most recent "person of the year" concept.
So basically, this is the pop star argument. A singer with little to no talent gets all the attention, love and perks of superstardom, while the talented singers and indie bands get ignored and rejected. The exception here is that worthy websites get ignored while hub sites like Go Nintendo get better perks.
To make it clear, I never said that the website is the best there is. I said that for what it is, its a good site. Its true that many of us post news featured there, but that's because the info is always there. I mean, when the NiGHTS rumor surfaced, they posted every bit of info they could find until the news was made official. Even if some of the info isn't 100% accurate at least they post it so that we can know about it and come to our own conclusions.
I honestly don't like it when they post the shock stories, and the minute they do or say something that annoys me I will leave it forever. But until now, I don't have issues with it, despite journalistic integrity.
Post by: Strell on April 19, 2007, 11:53:51 AM
But as of now I can't.
Post by: Kairon on April 19, 2007, 03:40:41 PM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 20, 2007, 06:22:42 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2007, 07:55:13 AM
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2007, 08:08:14 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 20, 2007, 08:46:41 AM
Post by: Deguello on April 20, 2007, 10:27:07 AM
It doesn't help that the comment structure of these blogs allows for a multitude of stupidity from relatively anonymous sources. I mean seriously, the already have a message board for discussion, and message boards require a little bit more thought than blog comments.
EDIT: Oh yeah he likes to snarf reviews from a lot of other sites too, which I find a little annoying. I mean their readers got to comment on my review of Zoey 101 before you guys did. I mean I guess it does generate traffic to here, but it would have been nice if he asked first. He may end up snarfing something that a person with a little more money than usual and a little less patience will sue him into oblivion for.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 20, 2007, 10:39:37 AM
The industry benefits make him more like an online Oprah - he gets free junk from companies cuz people pay attention to him.
-oh yeah, i'll second the notion that the comments from his audience are generally awful.
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2007, 10:39:43 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 20, 2007, 10:46:05 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on April 20, 2007, 11:17:15 AM
I like the Oprah analogy. She's no journalist but gets coverage perks. You could say the same about people like John Stewart or Pat O'Brien.
Why don't you contact Nintendo and tell them to stop giving him free games? Or next time you see him at a press invite let him know how you feel? At least request that he stops linking to reviews that you have written.
As for the linking, he's using a short excerpt and linking the source, The courts have upheld that to be fair use.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 20, 2007, 11:29:13 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Suprise, suprise, haterade from Deguello.
I like the Oprah analogy. She's no journalist but gets coverage perks. You could say the same about people like John Stewart or Pat O'Brien.
Why don't you contact Nintendo and tell them to stop giving him free games? Or next time you see him at a press invite let him know how you feel? At least request that he stops linking to reviews that you have written.
As for the linking, he's using a short excerpt and linking the source, The courts have upheld that to be fair use.
To be honest, when we started talking about this I contacted RMC and asked him about the site perks and such.
First of all, they don't give him free games for the hell of it. He HAS to review them as soon as possible. He also receives press releases and official stuff from companies, something he has to do as well. Also, knowing from personal experience it isn't easy to get those perks, so I'm sure the site has to earn them.
He also told me that they do post the original and give credit to the original source. Pro complains about them just linking to other stories, but at least they give credit AND show us the original link. If he's annoyed when they are doing that, he would get several aneurysms if they didn't give credit or they take the credit.
To me, this seems like an issue of angst and envy towards the creators because they get a lot of perks and monetary compensation doing something they enjoy (talking about Nintendo).
I don't know the whole story from BOTH sides of the argument, but it seems to be that the angst some users have towards Go Nintendo is mainly teen and shallow envy.
Like I said, the website ain't perfect, but I know FAR WORSE websites that are far more worthy of hate than Go Nintendo is.
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2007, 12:05:09 PM
Hate Gamespot instead. Them and Spong.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 20, 2007, 12:25:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Go Nintendo is fine guys. Jeez. It's... honest. Not up to your personal squeaky clean standards maybe, but honest.
Hate Gamespot instead. Them and Spong.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
I agree with Kairon and Pap, I have alot of respect for the guy that runs Go Nintendo (though I cannot say the same about the majority of his viewers!).
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 20, 2007, 12:32:42 PM
It's become clearer to me that i should also be disgusted with game companies beyond GoNinblog-o for "approving" of the site's nature by extending press perks to it. Press relations traditionally are earned, and are difficult to earn, but this case involved some fundamental "shortcuts" that don't dwell well with me.
The Oprah analogy continues to apply, and it's here to stay.
Post by: Deguello on April 21, 2007, 10:33:31 AM
Yes it may be LEGAL, but dong it with my reviews without even telling NWR or at least ME is just in bad taste. The fact I had to find out about it thirdhand just irks me a little more. Then I find out he's been doing it since 2005? Well, you can possibly see why I'm a little more miffed than usual.
So I decided to enter their chatroom a few months ago and see what's up, maybe see if I can at least tell him my concerns. I was shouted out by their fans the very moment I brought up my concerns, saying I was a faker, and then that they "Didn't know what NWR was," and then referred to it as "some small unknown fan site." The mod in the room did not reply. All I asked was that they at least give me a HEADS UP that they were going to snarf my review and that they could stand to be a little more picky about news. Apparently, even though they eat at my table and even dare to pick off of my plate, they are too good to show me manners and professional courtesy.
This is how their community and staff responded to me, a 6-year veteran in this games press thing. I may not be the most professional guy on the block, but I at least expected a response and maybe thought I could be treated with a little bit of respect. Just a little. I don't ask a lot. You guys here defending GoNintendo and their community, please note that you are treating them a whole lot better than they treated me.
P.S.: And no I certainly am not jealous of their press goodies, as I get a few myself. I might be a little more angry at Nintendo PR for deeming them worthy of the stuff. But I can't help but feel a little irritated when they get the stuff and still profess to "not be journalists."
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 11:12:02 AM
I highly doubt that ANYONE can control that kind of community, especially since Gonintendo is NOT a full fledged news site, but a... common watering hole.
Seriously Dequello, I TOTALLY BUY YOU about the Gonintendo readership treating you exceedingly inappropriately, but from what I read, you haven't interacted with any of their STAFF at all. The mod was probably afk as mods of internet chatrooms always are (btw, I went into the NWR chatroom once long ago... and NEVER returned. EVER. Ugh.) and... I assume you sent the Gonintendo staff an e-mail clearly and appropriately addressing your concerns? How did that turn out?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2007, 11:18:38 AM
I know from the policy about how their is research to find the core source when something is posted here on NWR. I have to hope that they notify the source when its another site like NWR at the least, aka not something coming straight from the companies website where it is assumed and wanted to be linked.
Also their is no cause to link people then when they come to visit disrespect them.
In Short:
IF GoNintendo wants to be treated like a blog they should be treated like a blog. (No access to Press Releases, mainly.)
IF GoNintendo wants to be treated like an aggregator(think Google News) then they should not have exclusives, press releases, and unique articles. (Though things like press release would naturally aggregate in.)
IF GoNintendo wants to be a Mainstream site like they are then they need to act it a little more and play nice with the other sites.
Personally I had no beef with GoNintendo till I heard they be disrespecting Deguello. Also heres another food for thought. GoNintendo and NWR fill a very similar niche. So every perk that GoNintendo gets is one that more than likely would have gone to a site like NWR instead.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 21, 2007, 11:22:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Deguello
"As for the linking, he's using a short excerpt and linking the source, The courts have upheld that to be fair use. "
Yes it may be LEGAL, but dong it with my reviews without even telling NWR or at least ME is just in bad taste. The fact I had to find out about it thirdhand just irks me a little more. Then I find out he's been doing it since 2005? Well, you can possibly see why I'm a little more miffed than usual.
So I decided to enter their chatroom a few months ago and see what's up, maybe see if I can at least tell him my concerns. I was shouted out by their fans the very moment I brought up my concerns, saying I was a faker, and then that they "Didn't know what NWR was," and then referred to it as "some small unknown fan site." The mod in the room did not reply. All I asked was that they at least give me a HEADS UP that they were going to snarf my review and that they could stand to be a little more picky about news. Apparently, even though they eat at my table and even dare to pick off of my plate, they are too good to show me manners and professional courtesy.
This is how their community and staff responded to me, a 6-year veteran in this games press thing. I may not be the most professional guy on the block, but I at least expected a response and maybe thought I could be treated with a little bit of respect. Just a little. I don't ask a lot. You guys here defending GoNintendo and their community, please note that you are treating them a whole lot better than they treated me.
P.S.: And no I certainly am not jealous of their press goodies, as I get a few myself. I might be a little more angry at Nintendo PR for deeming them worthy of the stuff. But I can't help but feel a little irritated when they get the stuff and still profess to "not be journalists."
First of all, I appreciate the fact that you have expressed your concern in the most sincere way possible. I personally don't like it when people disguise their issues and concerns in angst, sarcasm, anger and forced humor, so the fact that you can clean as to why you have a beef with Go Nintendo earns some points in my book.
As for the issue, being a reviewer as well I understand your concern. Its your work and you have the right to defend it.
But I think you handled this very, very, VERY poorly. First of all, this was a serious issues that should have been discussed DIRECTLY with the creators and owner of the site. Chat rooms are infamous for hosting A LOT of wild and "unique" members, so if you went there with a harsh attitude then of course you were going to get all the crap thrown at you.
That type of behavior ISN'T exclusive to Go Nintendo. All websites have their loyal fanbase. The minute you criticize them you are defacing a holy grail. I'm sure that if an outsider came to NWR and started to criticize it the staff and members would come out and do the same thing. No website has a clean and pure community. Some are worse than others, yes, but the reality is that no online community is perfect.
Finally, it honestly looks as if you want us to share your anger towards the site. Its unfortunate what happened between you and the website, but you can't ask us to try to see it with the same eyes as you.
Forgive my bluntness, but it looks as if that experience was so bad that you stopped trying to solve the issue and decided to just hate the site and throw mud at them when the opportunity arises (be honest, were you the Deguello that flamed RMC in his Bust a movie review?).
Did you at least made the effort to talk directly to the creators and staff? One last thing, did you went in there seriously, or did you have a childish attitude about it?
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 21, 2007, 11:33:00 AM
It doesn't matter how accurate the information is. All I need to do is toss it into the geyser to get the whole world to see it. That could come in rather handy...
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 11:39:10 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
That type of behavior ISN'T exclusive to Go Nintendo. All websites have their loyal fanbase. The minute you criticize them you are defacing a holy grail. I'm sure that if an outsider came to NWR and started to criticize it the staff and members would come out and do the same thing.
Yeah! No one gets to criticize the NWR review write-ups except for us!!!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Deguello on April 21, 2007, 04:59:32 PM
I said the mod in the chat didn't respond to ME. She (I say she because it was a "Bethany") continued to have discourse with other members, even while I was getting trashed. And apparently this "Bethany" is an important person, as she runs the site for a while on certain days. I thought that was a high enough person to air concerns too, especially since I did not have the time to make this a big issue. If that was the sort of behavior I got from a senior staffer, I can only imagine how the president would carry himself. And his he doesn't actually link my NAME in my reviews, he feels fit to encapsulate my review as representative of NWR in general, so I returned the favor.
Pap, I believe you think I went in there with a vial of piss and vinegar, but I assure you I was calm at the utmost. At the very least Ms. Mod could have invited me to a private chat. But instead she left the messenger to be shot by their cultists. And this is the sort of attitude I received. So yes I did cease attempts to bridge relations right there. It's hard to build a bridge when the other side is busy burning it.
And yeah I sometimes comment there when I see something about them that particularly irks me. Such as Mr. Cassidy's incessant habit of professing his fandom of every game he posts a preview of or sceenshots for. Or his pretense of knowing everything about a game series while reviewing the latest ieration, and getting facts so wrong it seems lie he doesn't know what he's talkng about. You may not realize it, but he is seriously insulting the intelligence of his readers and somewhat treating them like children. And yes I do have the tinge of anger and insult when I comment, but since it apparently hasn't caught his eye, he still continues to ignore me as he grabs my work without telling me.
He benefits from me having bigger fish to fry than argue over the internet about him snarfing my reviews. But it still feels wrong and disrespectful to at least not tell me.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 21, 2007, 05:12:44 PM
From that perspective, I'd hate the place too.
FYI, any Nintendo-related news I generate would go right to NWR and only to NWR. I've just been a patron too long to not feel that way about it.
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 05:20:43 PM
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 21, 2007, 05:31:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Deguello
Pap, I believe you think I went in there with a vial of piss and vinegar, but I assure you I was calm at the utmost. At the very least Ms. Mod could have invited me to a private chat. But instead she left the messenger to be shot by their cultists. And this is the sort of attitude I received. So yes I did cease attempts to bridge relations right there. It's hard to build a bridge when the other side is busy burning it.
I never said that you were mad or went there on a crazy binge. I wasn't there to witness it so I can't say which side is right.
I do believe your story since you have been honest and sincere about it. But to be honest, I am at a point where I have two different stories of the same thing. I have talked to RMC about it and he paints it another way.
Its like in a cartoon or sitcom where one side tells their story and in their version they are the saints and the other party are the demons, while in the other party's version they are the saints and the others are the demons.
Since I wasn't there to see it all I can't say which story has more valid. Not that I don't believe you or anything, but I decided to stay neutral on this because the stories differ greatly from each other.
If it makes you feel any better, I've been defending the site, yes, but its not like I am 100% loyal to them. I don't like some of their users, I don't go to their forums, listen to their podcast or participate in their contests.
I do post the news they put up, but I do it because I am ONLY interested in the story themselves. I now post the link of the original source when I talk about an announcement, and only submitted news like 3 times.
My loyalty lies first and foremost on cap and SB's website, because I've done stuff there for the past 5 years and that's where our friendship started. NWR is second because all of my Wii friends come from NWR.
Everything else I just check the news and reviews and don't bother with their stuff.
Once again, I appreciate that you were sincere and didn't rely on angst or sarcasm to tell your side of the story. I understand the issues better now.
EDIT: Actually, the more I think about it and read your story, the more valid it becomes. In other words, your anger towards the site is valid rather than some angst filled quarrel.
Like Karion said, with the information posted now things are clearer as to why some of the users have a personal beef with the site.
I mean, this isn't like dissing IGN for editorials or NWR because of their reviews. Its something deeper than that, and thanks to the info posted it becomes clear.
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 05:37:38 PM
What's RMC's verison of it, and why can't he notify the websites when he's linking to their articles? It's not like the website can tell him "no," since he's legally in the right, and it is, after all, just common courtesy that doesn't take but 20 seconds...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 21, 2007, 05:40:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Hold it!
What's RMC's verison of it, and why can't he notify the websites when he's linking to their articles? It's not like the website can tell him "no," since he's legally in the right, and it is, after all, just common courtesy that doesn't take but 20 seconds...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Well, I investigated this case by asking him his side of the story. This is what he told me.
"As far as linking reviews, I always
provide a link to the original source. This is an extremely common
occurrence among all news sites, and there is nothing wrong with it.
The real problem is that Deguello had an issue with it and never
contacted me. I feel horrible about this. If anyone ever has a
problem with anything that I do, I want to hear about it. I wish he
had contacted me."
He sounds honest. But so does Deguello. This is why I am neutral. Since there's nothing that proves this its hard to tell which version is right.
...Damn, we should turn this into a Phoenix Wright case!
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 06:06:09 PM
Well, just because they failed to communicate before doesn't mean they can't try again right? Maybe all it takes to resolve this case is a second chance and some real dialogue? And hopefully, this time we can reach RawMeatCowboy himself instead of merely getting caught up in a beauracracy of fanbois.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 21, 2007, 06:09:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Hmm...
Well, just because they failed to communicate before doesn't mean they can't try again right? Maybe all it takes to resolve this case is a second chance and some real dialogue? And hopefully, this time we can reach RawMeatCowboy himself instead of merely getting caught up in a beauracracy of fanbois.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
I agree.
The key here is that the issue is solved so that we can come to a conclusion
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 06:22:05 PM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on April 21, 2007, 06:30:42 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 21, 2007, 06:33:47 PM
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Originally posted by: ViewtifulGamer
GoNintendo killed my parents and got my sister pregnant with a biracial baby.
VITAL TESTIMONY!
VITAL TESTIMONY!
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 06:43:52 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Adrock on April 21, 2007, 06:47:35 PM
2. While I don't have anything personal against the guy who runs GoNintendo, I can't stand anything written by him. He's one of those people who gets a tingle in his pants when "Nintendo" is even uttered within hearing distance.
3. The people who normally comment are even worse and I honestly hope they trip and fall on something. I add my two cents very rarely on the site and the reason is that fanboys are set and ready to ravage your penis or vagina if you say anything moderately anti-Nintendo.
4. People are disrespectful all over the internet, that includes NWR. I've noticed some pretty vile comments to new forum members since finally upgrading my lurker status to posting member last year. There's definitely a "Get a clue, noob" vibe around here as if you must earn your stripes or something. That's no different than most anywhere else online though. So while I generally agree with Deguello, I kind of feel like it's expected.
On a related note, I did save this sweet ass fan art of Samus in a battle ravaged space suit. Quite possibly the best fan art of anything I've ever seen anywhere.
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 07:04:13 PM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: IceCold on April 21, 2007, 07:45:57 PM
Post by: Shift Key on April 21, 2007, 07:56:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
1. GoNintendo is good for having all kinds of Nintendo news clumped together in one place. I don't pay attention to their other crap. Codename Revolution is kind of the same thing, but without all the fluff and its Wii only.
Ok, there's one real issue with this aside from displaying other people's hard work - revenue. If you don't have to visit the source of the site then they don't get visitors. GoNintendo is giving you the news directly from someone else's mouth - generally without the need to visit the source. And GoNintendo get hits in turn, which generates more money for them, while the source gets nothing.
I rather the slashdot type of aggregation where a blurb is displayed and any media (images, youtube vids, details) are then linked to. This makes it fair for both the original source and GoNintendo, as they both fulfill a role in the process of getting information to you.
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3. The people who normally comment are even worse and I honestly hope they trip and fall on something. I add my two cents very rarely on the site and the reason is that fanboys are set and ready to ravage your penis or vagina if you say anything moderately anti-Nintendo.
Comments posted anywhere on the Internet are ripe for mockery or debate. Suck it up and fight words with more words.
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4. People are disrespectful all over the internet, that includes NWR. I've noticed some pretty vile comments to new forum members since finally upgrading my lurker status to posting member last year. There's definitely a "Get a clue, noob" vibe around here as if you must earn your stripes or something. That's no different than most anywhere else online though. So while I generally agree with Deguello, I kind of feel like it's expected.
I have no problem with newbies or people who stop lurking and decide to start posting. I do have problems with people who post stupid things without doing a bit of research of engaging their brain slightly - like this gem - so I do believe that respect in a community like NWR or another forum is earned, not given. Posting style goes a long way to building a good rapport with others.
I'll certainly keep an eye on this.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 21, 2007, 07:56:58 PM
Post by: Strell on April 21, 2007, 08:21:51 PM
No need to worry about them.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 21, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Deguello
EDIT: Oh yeah he likes to snarf reviews from a lot of other sites too, which I find a little annoying. I mean their readers got to comment on my review of Zoey 101 before you guys did. I mean I guess it does generate traffic to here, but it would have been nice if he asked first. He may end up snarfing something that a person with a little more money than usual and a little less patience will sue him into oblivion for.
That's the worst part. 90% of the GoNintendo fanbase aren't going to bother checking out the source, they'll just read what parts RMC has quoted (sometimes he'll nearly quote the whole damn thing). He even includes the final score. YouTube/video reviews are EVEN WORSE because he links them directly into the bloody page so you can view them there. He won't even credit people that made/uploaded the YouTube videos, instead he'll thank whichever mindless GoNintendo fanboy sent it to him.
Post by: Shift Key on April 21, 2007, 08:44:35 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
So, all you GoNintendo haters, do you also hold in contempt the other blog-wait-not-a-blog-news-maybe-except-they're-not-a-real-journalist-sites? Are Joystiq, Kotaku, and Destructoid also guilty of the crimes of: linking without permission, not being real hard hitting news bureaus, and creating biracial babies?
I don't check these sites often, sometimes Kotaku. And if I'm really craving lowest-denominator Nintendo news then I'll check GoNintendo. Byte-sized news only goes so far.
Kotaku do a similar thing, but at least they will summarize the article in their own words and discuss it briefly (giving me an idea of whether I want to read the article itself). I don't see anything insightful from GoNintendo posts.
Post by: Adrock on April 22, 2007, 11:25:07 AM
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Shiftkey wrote:
Ok, there's one real issue with this aside from displaying other people's hard work - revenue. If you don't have to visit the source of the site then they don't get visitors. GoNintendo is giving you the news directly from someone else's mouth - generally without the need to visit the source. And GoNintendo get hits in turn, which generates more money for them, while the source gets nothing.
Well, maybe you should tell that to GoNintendo.
I simply stated that it's nice to have one place that clumps all the Nintendo news in one place, even if most of it is fluff, because I don't scour the internet for Nintendo news. If it makes you feel better, I actually visit the original source for interviews and news stories that pique my interests linked on GoNintendo. It's actually easier to do so. I give them credit for providing a site that gives me access to those stories that I might never have found otherwise.
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Comments posted anywhere on the Internet are ripe for mockery or debate. Suck it up and fight words with more words.
Suck it up? I'm not going to waste my times arguing with a bunch of ignorant kids over videogames. Are you kidding me? I have better things to do.
Post by: Shift Key on April 22, 2007, 05:25:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Well, maybe you should tell that to GoNintendo.
If I were a webmaster and he was posting my hard work without some semblance of incentive to visit my site, then I would. But I could care less. There are better websites around than GoNintendo. I'll go visit them instead.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 23, 2007, 03:02:04 AM
I don't think that prevents people from going to my site...more likely it creates interest and more hits to my site.
This is really just how the internet works. Their is always going to be site linking your information. After all it is a WEB of information...all interconnected.
