Post by: Razien on April 01, 2007, 03:18:24 PM
So I hope you guys, as a great and thrustable website can give any help to us, left-handed people.
Between 8 and 15% of the adult population is left-handed, and the percentage in younger people is a lot bigger. Even so, a great game like The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess is made specially for right-handed ones. I understand that they are the biggest buyers of Zelda games, but Nintendo company is supposed to do games for everyone. And they always try to make sure of it.
Link is left-handed, and I know many Zelda series fans that were quite disappointed with him holding the sword with his right hand. And I'd like to play LZ:TP, but Nintendo didn't think about my entertainment. I know it can sound as if I'm asking too much, but if any game that sounds hard to do for left-handed people they only do for the right-handed, we will loose our right to have entertainment just like a right handed.
So I'm here asking: please, Nintendo, think about us. I don't see why keep making us having to work a lot harder just to do everything like most people.
I'm quite sure a left-handed version of LZ:TP would make a great success.
NWR, Thanks for providing this place to discuss.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 01, 2007, 03:39:08 PM
Post by: IceCold on April 01, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
Also, the remote+nunchuck caters very well to left handed people. For games that require precision in aiming or gestures with the remote, left-handers can put the remote in their left hand and the attachment in their right hand. The only thing I can see being a problem is that you would be accustomed to using the analogue stick with your left thumb after all these years. This is understandable, but us right-handers, when the N64 came out, had to adjust to using the analogue stick with our non-dominant thumb. I'm sure it wouldn't be much of a problem with some practice.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 01, 2007, 03:53:20 PM
Hahaha...ha...Oh brother...I'm a southpaw and I have no problem switching hands when need be...
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 01, 2007, 04:07:41 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 01, 2007, 04:09:02 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on April 01, 2007, 04:19:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"And I'd like to play LZ:TP, but Nintendo didn't think about my entertainment."
Hahaha...ha...Oh brother...I'm a southpaw and I have no problem switching hands when need be...
Well apparently not everyone is as adaptable as you.
Post by: bustin98 on April 01, 2007, 04:48:25 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 01, 2007, 05:13:32 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 01, 2007, 05:48:48 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 01, 2007, 05:55:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Brandogg
I still don't understand why they flipped the whole game in Twilight Princess, they could have just put the sword in Link's right hand and called it a day. I guess all the interactions with other characters and things like signs or hornet nests were animated so that the sword strikes were coming from a set direction.
I have a feeling it has to do with the cutscenes not being able to be modified easily...
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Well apparently not everyone is as adaptable as you.
Well they should be, considering not every game can be tailored to everyone's exact tastes...Plus, being ambidextrous is pretty practical...
Post by: ThePerm on April 01, 2007, 07:15:06 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on April 01, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
Post by: Mesu on April 02, 2007, 12:05:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
So let's talk about how being left-handed has NO EFFECT on playing Twilight Princess at all.
But nintendo mostly likely will release a zelda game in the future where it does have a significant effect. And if they wouldn't do a little more work with twilight princess for 10% of the population then they might decide the same for the next zelda when potentially much more work is required of them.
The character Link not being left handed doesn't really bother me but with zelda and mario games nintendo has had the philosophy that the main character was the person playing the game. Without a left handed option the illusion will become more incomplete as the controller adds more immersiveness.
I'm glad nintendo is getting practice adding left handed options with wario ware and other games and I hope they don't overlook zelda again.
Post by: ryancoke on April 02, 2007, 04:21:03 AM
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Originally posted by: bustin98
I am seriously hating on Tiger Woods right now since there is no switching of hands in this game. At least Wii Sports let you choose. I'm hoping Brunswick Bowling will let you choose.
Actually there is a setting. I think it's when you create a character. I remember seeing it the one time. When I finished my character I realized that I accidentally created a left handed character. And now I can't figure out how to switch him back to right handed
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 02, 2007, 04:43:34 AM
Post by: mantidor on April 02, 2007, 05:38:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"And I'd like to play LZ:TP, but Nintendo didn't think about my entertainment."
Hahaha...ha...Oh brother...I'm a southpaw and I have no problem switching hands when need be...
You are obviously not a southpaw then :P
I know you will defend Nintendo's decisions not matter how absurd, but this isn't something crazy from left handed people to demand, its a pretty big deal and we aren't just nitpicking the game, thats if the game is really handedness - oriented, and of course TP is not that game, mirroring is in my eyes a simple sign of bad development, how could anyone think it would matter at all for the end user when the swing is still not reflecting the action made with the remote is something I can't understand, but in games where it matters its a very important issue.
Since for now the games I'm interested about have not an apparent preference for the handedness of the player I don't care, but if wii Zelda comes out that way without a left handed option I'll murder someone.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 02, 2007, 06:51:11 AM
What's stopping you from just switching hands anyway? It's not like Link uses 1:1 sword moves. Swinging with the Wiimote in your left hand can doesn't change what Link does with the sword or shield.
In both cases, he attacks whatever you're Z-targeting, not from the direction you swing, so it doesn't matter.
But I agree that, if the next Zelda does have the player performing 1:1 sword attacks, then yes, we NEED a handedness setting.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 02, 2007, 06:54:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
But I agree that, if the next Zelda does have the player performing 1:1 sword attacks, then yes, we NEED a handedness setting.
I'm pretty sure it will. Remember that the Wii version of TP was a last minute decision, so I'm sure some ideas were mentioned but never implemented. Since the team will have more time to develop a new Zelda game AND create a new engine from the group up they will add these options in.
Post by: zakkiel on April 02, 2007, 06:56:35 AM
QuoteOh, how I wish this were a joke.
But nintendo mostly likely will release a zelda game in the future where it does have a significant effect. And if they wouldn't do a little more work with twilight princess for 10% of the population then they might decide the same for the next zelda when potentially much more work is required of them.
Post by: ThePerm on April 02, 2007, 07:31:29 AM
to play the game with your left hand would mean you would use the joystick on your right....which is plain weird!!!
your using a mouse right? right handed?
Post by: IceCold on April 02, 2007, 07:44:05 AM
QuoteWhy? Right-handers have been using their non-dominant thumb for the analogue stick since the N64. You just adjust and get used to it.
to play the game with your left hand would mean you would use the joystick on your right....which is plain weird!!!
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2007, 08:48:17 AM
Post by: Ghisy on April 02, 2007, 09:04:59 AM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Buy the Gamecube version, you can play it on Wii and pretend that it's a Wii game you play with your Gamecube controller.
QFT
Post by: ThePerm on April 02, 2007, 03:18:20 PM
also when i said "
to play the game with your left hand would mean you would use the joystick on your right....which is plain weird!!!"
Miyamoto said the same thing, and he is infallible
Post by: Kairon on April 02, 2007, 09:28:30 PM
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Post by: Acefondu on April 03, 2007, 02:14:19 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 03, 2007, 02:21:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Heck, I'm a rightie and I can't FUNCTION with dual analog setups because aiming with my right thumb on an analog stick is IMPOSSIBLE. I use my left thumb for all my advanced and subtle analog action. My right thumb is purely boolean.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Same with me, I hate games that use a right control stick because i just go all over the place when using it.
Post by: Pale on April 03, 2007, 02:35:28 AM
They are screwing left handed people!
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 03, 2007, 04:49:08 AM
Post by: mantidor on April 03, 2007, 06:19:05 AM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
also when i said "
to play the game with your left hand would mean you would use the joystick on your right....which is plain weird!!!"
Miyamoto said the same thing, and he is infallible
He also said that small children would probably use the remote in their left hand and the stick in the right, so I don't think so. He really believes the stick requires more precision than the remote, that controlling "righty Link" is more of a left handed control than a right handed one.
Aiming with the wrong hand is painful, but doable, and thats why many lefties have given up to the standard right mouse (and you are missing how great it is to use it on the correct hand), but lets say they make an okami-like game where you have to draw characters on the screen, something like Black and White, now that would be a nightmare to do with your non dominant hand.
Post by: ThePerm on April 03, 2007, 09:28:48 AM
before the nes controller there were big fat joysticks and they were played with either hand.
edit: and this is post 4444
Post by: mantidor on April 03, 2007, 09:58:49 AM
Post by: Ghisy on April 03, 2007, 10:12:55 AM
Hmmm, did I miss a joke there??
Post by: bustin98 on April 03, 2007, 02:30:08 PM
It actually can be enjoyable, with the settings on 'easy'. But its still a rental unless you absolutely love golf.
Post by: IceCold on April 03, 2007, 04:36:29 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on April 03, 2007, 04:59:02 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 03, 2007, 10:23:19 PM
Dual-analog? HAH! BEHOLD THY DUAL-MOUSE SETUP
Post by: Pale on April 04, 2007, 12:43:59 AM
Post by: IceCold on April 04, 2007, 03:13:18 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 04, 2007, 06:04:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale
Take the stickers off your laptop!
Can't be bothered!
It's Affordably Priced and Feature Packed!
Post by: vudu on April 06, 2007, 08:16:08 AM
QuoteThanks for that bit of advice. I'll take that into consideration next time I'm advising Miyamoto and/or Aonuma on how they should make games.
Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
Not this debate again. The funny thing is this. All of the right handed people are telling lefties, it doesn't matter. Its not 1:1, just switch hands. The switch has no bearing on the on screen action. I just wanted to let you all know, you have made an excellent argument for why the game shouldn't have been mirrored in the first place.
