Post by: Smash_Brother on March 26, 2007, 04:54:07 AM
March
16th Tiger Woods
19th TMNT
21st Blazing Angels
21st Godfather
21st Kororinpa
21st Cooking Mama
28th MoH: Vanguard
I went from having nothing to play to far too much to play. I'm going through Godfather right now, even though I have TMNT and Kororinpa rented and I also want to play through MoH, Blazing Angels and give Mama a try as well.
April is pretty quiet (yes, that is sarcasm), except for PoP on the 5th, Super Paper Mario on the 11th and Bust-A-Move on the 19th.
Anyone who insists that the GC had equivalent 3rd party support is on crack. There was NEVER a time in the GC's life where I felt pressured to finish games quickly because I had so many others to get through. The closest to that was when I bought Pikmin and SSBM at the same time, but this? All of these games are at least worth a rent and Godfather (which I bought) has already paid for itself in entertainment value.
Anyone else experiencing the game "backup" issue right now? I can't even look at my DS...
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 26, 2007, 05:03:52 AM
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Anyone else experiencing the game "backup" issue right now? I can't even look at my DS...
Yes, and even if I don't count new games. I have unplayed Wii, Gamecube, PS2, PS1, GBA, DS, and PC games piling up. Most of them are only new to me, since I've been going back and getting old games I missed out on, but I'm not ignoring new games, either. There are more on the way to me in the mail right now. I would almost welcome a drought.
Post by: Ceric on March 26, 2007, 05:27:10 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 26, 2007, 05:33:19 AM
And PB, technically, I still have PoR and Killer7 which I wanted to finish.
Post by: Kairon on March 26, 2007, 05:45:05 AM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 26, 2007, 05:51:39 AM
I mentioned all of these games because they are games I want to play.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 26, 2007, 05:52:15 AM
.Seriously, one thing I hate is that developers and companies release tons of games during spring and fall, but summer is DRY, drier than the Sahara dessert during the hottest day of the year and with Global warming at its strongest.
That pissed the hell out of me last year...
Post by: Ian Sane on March 26, 2007, 05:52:59 AM
So we went from three filler games overrated by Wii fans desperate for anything to play to seven. Wow.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 26, 2007, 06:22:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane So we went from three filler games overrated by Wii fans desperate for anything to play to seven. Wow.
Do you even own a Wii?
If not, you're in no position to say anything on the matter and even if you do own a Wii, I'm quite certain you haven't played any of these games.
And even if you HAD played these games, let's be honest: you'd just opt to downplay their enjoyability for the sake of your argument.
So again, your opinion is 100% irrelevant on the subject.
I had fun with Secret Rings and Wii Play and I'm having an absolute BLAST with Godfather (that is, when I can pull my friends off of it long enough to play it myself). I know these games have 0 chance of living up to your ridiculously high standards, but it might interest you to know that, while you're off fantasizing about recapturing some lost essence of Nintendo idealism which died with the SNES for you, the rest of us are having a sh*tload of fun pantomiming things like hitting golf balls, hitting cue balls and choking the life out of hoodlums and snapping their necks.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 26, 2007, 06:37:24 AM
Post by: Rhoq on March 26, 2007, 06:38:10 AM
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I'm having an absolute BLAST with Godfather.
Me too. The funny thing about it is that I had absolutely no interest in ever playing the game on any other console it has been released for. It wasn't until I saw the trailer for the Wii version a month or two ago that I decided to give it a chance. Once the reviews confirmed that the Wii controller made the game as fun to play as it looked in the video, I was sold.
Post by: Rhoq on March 26, 2007, 06:42:06 AM
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"What the hell happened? We went from Feb. having Sonic: SR, Blur and Wii Play and little else to..."
So we went from three filler games overrated by Wii fans desperate for anything to play to seven. Wow.
For a console only 4 months into it's life, I'd say it's a pretty respectable release rate. Who knows - maybe by this time next year, we'll be able to walk into a store and see a bunch of worthless 3rd party titles we never even knew existed sitting on the shelf branded with the Wii logo (a la PS2). Let the flood begin!
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 26, 2007, 07:09:46 AM
What irks me most about Ian's (admittedly typical) stance on this matter is that it's the driving root of Nintendo's entire problem: the immediate dismissal by Nintendo fans of any game not made by Nintendo.
It's one thing to not buy sh*t games with little effort put into them because there was very little effort put into them. It's another to dismiss games as filler even though the 3rd party put a great deal of effort into it or made it a complete exclusive.
I've SEEN crap controls on the Wii: the Godfather is the exact opposite of this, with controls so precise they rival all of Nintendo's 1st party efforts thus far and often outdo them. EA clearly put a great deal of effort into these controls and, as a result, anyone can pick them up and be garroting their enemies in minutes and god knows, they're FUN. I'm sitting here itching to return home so I can put some more Godfather time in because I haven't beat someone's face in recently.
It was the "Nintendo fans only buy Nintendo games" problem which put Nintendo in their last place finish last gen. I don't think anyone b*tched more about the state of the GC than you, Ian, and for you to insist upon exacerbating the problem this gen by brushing aside quality titles by 3rd parties is the very definition of irony.
If a 3rd party puts a great deal of effort into a game, even if it's a port, then it deserves our respect AND our money. Godfather is a textbook example of this and anyone who claims the contrary better be able to make a whopping good argument and do so from experience.
Post by: Kairon on March 26, 2007, 07:15:42 AM
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Like I said, I have to pry other people off of Godfather before I can play it.
What irks me most about Ian's (admittedly typical) stance on this matter is that it's the driving root of Nintendo's entire problem: the immediate dismissal by Nintendo fans of any game not made by Nintendo.
It's one thing to not buy sh*t games with little effort put into them because there was very little effort put into them. It's another to dismiss games as filler even though the 3rd party put a great deal of effort into it or made it a complete exclusive.
I've SEEN crap controls on the Wii: the Godfather is the exact opposite of this, with controls so precise they rival all of Nintendo's 1st party efforts thus far and often outdo them. EA clearly put a great deal of effort into these controls and, as a result, anyone can pick them up and be garroting their enemies in minutes and god knows, they're FUN. I'm sitting here itching to return home so I can put some more Godfather time in because I haven't beat someone's face in recently.
It was the "Nintendo fans only buy Nintendo games" problem which put Nintendo in their last place finish last gen. I don't think anyone b*tched more about the state of the GC than you, Ian, and for you to insist upon exacerbating the problem this gen by brushing aside quality titles by 3rd parties is the very definition of irony.
If a 3rd party puts a great deal of effort into a game, even if it's a port, then it deserves our respect AND our money. Godfather is a textbook example of this and anyone who claims the contrary better be able to make a whopping good argument and do so from experience.
SEE!?!?! You agree with me don't you???? I WAS RIGHT!>!!>!>?! hahahaha!!!! I was riiiiiiggggghhhhttttt!!!!! hooorraaayyy for THIIIRD PARTIIIESSS!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHFARCRYHAHAHA!
I need... some ritalin.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 26, 2007, 07:31:37 AM
The game was just fine, except for the graphics, and the use of the Wiimote for the melee attack was hella fun, but it can't compare to the micromanaging of attacks you get from roughing someone up in Godfather.
Different gameplay styles, though. We'll have to see how MoH turns out.
Post by: Kairon on March 26, 2007, 07:32:31 AM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 26, 2007, 07:40:22 AM
But with EA putting pressure on them with games like Godfather and putting pressure on Activision with MoH, it means that all 3rd parties face stiffer competition and will be competing with each other for sales instead of competing with Nintendo, something which would have been unthinkable in times past.
When a Wii game will be blasted for graphics when compared to other Wii games, it will effectively shame developers into working harder on the graphics.
Post by: Crave on March 26, 2007, 07:45:33 AM
Reviews for most of these games are less then impressive: (Ratings from IGN)
TMNT = 5.5
Wing Island = 5.0
Blazing Angels = 5.7
Kororinpa = 6.2
Cooking Mama = 5.8
with the exception
Godfather 8.0
SSX Blur 8.4
What amazes me is how we are content with crappy ports, a "list" of games, and Nintendo's attempt to capture a demographic. Show me a Nintendo that is focused on capturing it's original market of the NES, SNES days and I will show you a fanboy that is happy once again. -Crave Vent complete.
Post by: couchmonkey on March 26, 2007, 07:48:05 AM
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I LOVE Wii. Best game system since N64, at least.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 26, 2007, 07:57:21 AM
But seriously, are the PS3 owners throwing a hissy fit over their GodFather: Don's edition? Are 360 owners whining about their TMNT?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 26, 2007, 07:59:29 AM
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Perhaps the title of this thread should be drought, drought, drizzle. What happened to Nintendo's saying "Quality not quantity" So far I see the quantity, with less then average attempts at quality.
Reviews for most of these games are less then impressive: (Ratings from IGN)
TMNT = 5.5
Wing Island = 5.0
Blazing Angels = 5.7
Kororinpa = 6.2
Cooking Mama = 5.8
with the exception
Godfather 8.0
SSX Blur 8.4
What amazes me is how we are content with crappy ports, a "list" of games, and Nintendo's attempt to capture a demographic. Show me a Nintendo that is focused on capturing it's original market of the NES, SNES days and I will show you a fanboy that is happy once again. -Crave Vent complete.
1. You are listing just ONE reviews source. As well all know, reviews vary from person to person. So saying that because ONE site said that the game was bad it is truly bad is silly and even ignorant.
2. It has been proven in the past that websites trash a game and the gaming community agree that its a far better game (Red Steel, Secret rings, SSX Blur and Excite Truck come to mind). Sometimes its best to try the game for YOURSELF and see what YOU think, not what some random editor says.
And boy, are you out of the loop. The Nintendo officials came out and said that it was their strict quality control that caused them great damage during their N64 and GC days and decided to focus on delivering as many games as possible instead of focusing so religiously on quality. Nintendo still cares about quality, yes, but they won't be so anal about it.
In fact, thanks to this post, I decided to come up with the term "Nintendo snubbery". The term applies to fans who have an extremely high set of standards for Nintendo gaming and will snub any game not made by Nintendo or any game that doesn't meet their standards. They will also look down upon fans who embrace these games, telling them that they are starved and are quick to embrace anything.
Be prepared, folks. As third party support grows, more and more of these fans will show up.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 26, 2007, 08:05:18 AM
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Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2007, 08:38:01 AM
Since my brother and I have finally beaten Wii Play Tanks, the Wii will likely begin gathering dust until Winter. In the meantime, I plan on buying a PS2 soon to catch up on all the fancy titles I missed. And there's that HUGE Target sale for DS games. I'll probably buy Mario Kart DS and Final Fantasy III tomorrow. $24 for each game plus 10% employee discount (second job because I wanted more hours) = win. In your face, MSRP.
Post by: Ceric on March 26, 2007, 09:01:42 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 26, 2007, 09:20:12 AM
So no one noticed the
in my post. I was partially joking around.Most of the Wii releases since the initial launch have been filler titles. If you like 'em, that's fine but the games coming out right now are generally weak. They're the typical filler you see between launch and when the "real" games come and the console starts having a consistent stream of titles. Most of the games out now will be forgotten about in six months. This isn't a Nintendo thing, it's been quite common since the PS2 launch (name a PS2 game from 2000 that anyone plays now, hell name one PERIOD). I'm just irritated by this buncha nothing being hailed as great third party support and how there's so much to choose from. Well if you have taste there isn't much. Anyone who is struggling to afford all the great titles now is either really broke or has low standards. And this isn't "Nintendo-only" this is merely recognizing the difference between must-rents and must-buys.
This is like back in 2002 when the Cube had a drought (which was admitingly much worse than this one) and people were all "OMG! Cel Damage came out this week.! YES!" And if you don't remember Cel Damage that's part of the point.
Godfather came out on other consoles a YEAR AGO so don't try to pass it off as some sort of big must play game. It's just EA dumping whatever they can on the Wii to get a sale from people itching for a new game during a lull. Maybe the game is actually pretty good but that doesn't not make it a cash-in port. It's the equivalent of Crazy Taxi on the Cube which was a good game, though an old one ported for a quick buck during a release drought. No one then said "hey the drought's over because this game is great."
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 26, 2007, 09:26:46 AM
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Godfather came out on other consoles a YEAR AGO so don't try to pass it off as some sort of big must play game. It's just EA dumping whatever they can on the Wii to get a sale from people itching for a new game during a lull. Maybe the game is actually pretty good but that doesn't not make it a cash-in port. It's the equivalent of Crazy Taxi on the Cube which was a good game, though an old one ported for a quick buck during a release drought. No one then said "hey the drought's over because this game is great."
And there you go being a Nintendo snub again...
Yeah, we are aware that this is a port of a game released a year ago. But again, have YOU played it? You just used your Nintendo beliefs to come up with the conclusion that the Godfather is NOT worth it when you haven't even played it in order to back those claims!
SB, as much as he loved it, has said that if you have already played it to avoid it since it doesn't offer anything new. And as near as I can tell, despite its cash in port status, the game is GOOD and makes excellent use of the Wiimote controller.
So again, I think you are dealing this with far too much fanboy angst.
Post by: vudu on March 26, 2007, 09:27:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"(name a PS2 game from 2000 that anyone plays now, hell name one PERIOD)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 26, 2007, 09:49:49 AM
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2. It has been proven in the past that websites trash a game and the gaming community agree that its a far better game (Red Steel, Secret rings, SSX Blur and Excite Truck come to mind). Sometimes its best to try the game for YOURSELF and see what YOU think, not what some random editor says.
Hate to break it to you but Secret Rings, ExciteTruck and even SSX Blur (Probably the most mixed because of controls) to an extent received decent to good reviews (from 70-80% average). Red Steel on the other hand has gotten average reviews accross the board, INCLUDING the gaming community besides a few here.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 26, 2007, 09:54:39 AM
GameCube's first February
GameCube's first March
GameCube's first April
Source: NWR and GameSpot.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 26, 2007, 09:56:52 AM
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2. It has been proven in the past that websites trash a game and the gaming community agree that its a far better game (Red Steel, Secret rings, SSX Blur and Excite Truck come to mind). Sometimes its best to try the game for YOURSELF and see what YOU think, not what some random editor says.
Hate to break it to you but Secret Rings, ExciteTruck and even SSX Blur (Probably the most mixed because of controls) to an extent received decent to good reviews (from 70-80% average). Red Steel on the other hand has gotten average reviews accross the board, INCLUDING the gaming community besides a few here.
Bah, hate? You LOVE breaking it to me!
As for the argument, I do realize that some of these games did get excellent reviews, but they still had a community of fans and editors that absolutely DESPISED them when they came out, and are still the subject of debate in many forums. I mean, before Excite Truck was released there were fans that despised it because they couldn't understand the controls (hence why SB claimed that the haters should rent it instead of trashing it). As for Red Steel, its an even better example since fans are quick to hate it but there ARE fans that enjoyed the game and pointed out its qualities.
Another example would be Wii Play. It didn't have any control issues, but it was TRASHED severely by everyone. But fans claimed that the game wasn't THAT bad. Yeah, it was just a collection of tech demos, but it wasn't like the worst game of the year.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 26, 2007, 10:05:16 AM
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2. It has been proven in the past that websites trash a game and the gaming community agree that its a far better game (Red Steel, Secret rings, SSX Blur and Excite Truck come to mind). Sometimes its best to try the game for YOURSELF and see what YOU think, not what some random editor says.
Hate to break it to you but Secret Rings, ExciteTruck and even SSX Blur (Probably the most mixed because of controls) to an extent received decent to good reviews (from 70-80% average). Red Steel on the other hand has gotten average reviews accross the board, INCLUDING the gaming community besides a few here.
Bah, hate? You LOVE breaking it to me!
As for the argument, I do realize that some of these games did get excellent reviews, but they still had a community of fans and editors that absolutely DESPISED them when they came out, and are still the subject of debate in many forums. I mean, before Excite Truck was released there were fans that despised it because they couldn't understand the controls (hence why SB claimed that the haters should rent it instead of trashing it). As for Red Steel, its an even better example since fans are quick to hate it but there ARE fans that enjoyed the game and pointed out its qualities.
Another example would be Wii Play. It didn't have any control issues, but it was TRASHED severely by everyone. But fans claimed that the game wasn't THAT bad. Yeah, it was just a collection of tech demos, but it wasn't like the worst game of the year.
I think many of the reviews were fair with Wii Play (not all I might add), it was polished for what it was but it still didn't have much depth (though for 10$ basically it was a steal). Not going to argue about Red Steel, except for the fact that its fan base that supposedly fines alot of quality in it is quite small. Then again I may be too harsh because I personally dont' care much for any FPS on consoles since they all pale in comparison to PC FPSs!
Post by: ShyGuy on March 26, 2007, 10:06:47 AM
Post by: Crave on March 26, 2007, 10:29:44 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 26, 2007, 10:42:18 AM
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Please then ... pick the site of your choice for review. Post a better rating. I have been too more then one site. Usually people are less likely to discredit IGN. P.S. Your avatar is about as up to date as your info.
I won't, because even when a website has a solid review streak there WILL be a time where I will disagree with what they think of the game. Reviews ARE used as reference when buying ANYTHING, but they shouldn't dictate the final decision since many aspects play out. For example, I LOVED Chibi-Robo, but many reviews trashed it badly. Game informer even went as far as to say that the game was just a chore simulator and that it was the perfect punishment for children.
If your point was to post the average scores a game has gotten you should use sites like Gamerankings. They take ALL the reviews the game has gotten and will post the average score. Your point will be more valid that if you just post one gaming source.
Again, IGN is just ONE of MANY reviews site so they shouldn't be used as the end all when talking about game reviews.
As for the icon, check the general forums, under "Obscure 8-bit character icon".
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 26, 2007, 10:48:30 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 26, 2007, 10:56:39 AM
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Please then Pap... pick the site of your choice for review. Post a better rating. High standards? Yes, of course they are. That's because Nintendo, and third parties set that standard in the past and it's what I come to expect. Your telling me that if you have an employee that exceeds your expectations in every aspect, then the following year his work quality drops 90% that your not going to expect and or question this decline...I bet you would.
Oh please...You are acting as if all of a sudden Nintendo lost ALL quality titles.
First of all, the crap will ALWAYS be there mixed with the good, the decent and the absolutely amazing. And of course, said games will be criticized, ignored, made fun of and everything that comes with being an awful game. What I am saying is that is unfair and ignorant to brush off certain games simply because they don't meet YOUR standards and look down upon those that don't.
No one is forcing you to buy the games. If you only care about the high quality, killer apps, that's YOUR decision and your problem to deal with. I simply ask to not rush into a conclusion and belittle those that don't care, ESPECIALLY if you are not going to bother and play the games, even if its just to solidify your argument in a discussion.
And GP, that's how YOU base your games. I don't hate IGN, I am simply stating that when evaluating the quality of a game you should use several sources (friends included) when making a game buy decision.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 26, 2007, 11:08:05 AM
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And GP, that's how YOU base your games. I don't hate IGN, I am simply stating that when evaluating the quality of a game you should use several sources (friends included) when making a game buy decision.
Isn't that what I said?
Post by: ShyGuy on March 26, 2007, 11:16:13 AM
March 19th:
* Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
* Cooking Mama: Cook Off
* The Godfather: Blackhand Edition
* Kororinpa: Marble Mania
* Wing Island
* Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Post by: Ian Sane on March 26, 2007, 11:30:38 AM
I'll agree to that.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 26, 2007, 12:34:11 PM
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(name a PS2 game from 2000 that anyone plays now, hell name one PERIOD)
I could tell you about the first time I got my period if you want but it might be a bit messy. Also, Sky Odyssey.
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Perhaps the title of this thread should be drought, drought, drizzle. What happened to Nintendo's saying "Quality not quantity" So far I see the quantity, with less then average attempts at quality.
Reviews for most of these games are less then impressive: (Ratings from IGN)
TMNT = 5.5
Wing Island = 5.0
Blazing Angels = 5.7
Kororinpa = 6.2
Cooking Mama = 5.8
with the exception
Godfather 8.0
SSX Blur 8.4
What amazes me is how we are content with crappy ports, a "list" of games, and Nintendo's attempt to capture a demographic. Show me a Nintendo that is focused on capturing it's original market of the NES, SNES days and I will show you a fanboy that is happy once again. -Crave Vent complete.
Wow, it must be pretty sad to let reviews make up your opinion, and IGN reviews at that. I started ignoring reviews years ago, which is probably why PlayStation 2 quickly became one of my favorite consoles ever. Disaster Report got a 6 or something from them, that '6' game is my favorite game on the system, and the best thing Irem's ever developed.
My Wii collection is made up of games that got average scores all over the joint, but it'd be a damn shame if I avoided them because someone else on a website said they didn't have enough tri-egg gigaflops and bi-sexualtexturemapping on the grass or whatever so it's not worth getting. Excite Truck's the greatest arcade racer since Rush, yet the big name sites wet their pants in frustration because it didn't have an RPG mode in it and no FMV's of Cloud flicking his hair. The Wii line-up now is fantastic considering it's living on third party titles for the most part. Kororinpa is one of the cutest and most addictive games in ages, Wii Play is extremely entertaining thanks to its retro take on gameplay, focusing on high scores instead of drama storylines. Wing Island is going to be awesome because I'm a huge fan of Pilotwings. I don't need reviews to argue my own opinion.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 26, 2007, 02:23:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane I'm just irritated by this buncha nothing being hailed as great third party support and how there's so much to choose from. Well if you have taste there isn't much. Anyone who is struggling to afford all the great titles now is either really broke or has low standards. And this isn't "Nintendo-only" this is merely recognizing the difference between must-rents and must-buys.
First of all, nice job belittling the opinions of people by saying "if you have taste", and by people, I mean every NWR forumer who has tried Godfather and loves it (which is, coincidentally, all of them).
Second, "must-rent/buy" is too highly subjective of a term to truly define. In my case, buying a game where my friends and I have already put 32 hours into it having only owned it for four days means that it was smart to buy it, especially considering I haven't even come CLOSE to finishing it.
In your case, a "must-buy" would be a game which somehow inspires the same feelings of nostalgia you had while enjoying games as a child, something which will very likely never happen.
Ian, you're very much like the woman who reads too many romance novels and expects to one day meet that handsome prince who will sweep her off her feet and take care of her for the rest of her life, except in your case, you're waiting for that game which magically transports you back to the "golden" age of gaming because you don't realize that the fond memories you have of these games largely stem from the fact that you played them as a child. Everything seems better when you're a kid, and even the best games from the golden age which I remember are still fun, but they don't have that same magic because that magic was something I was personally injecting into the experience.
Thus, your standards are ridiculously high, and that doesn't mean you're a more discerning gamer with better tastes. It means that you're a snob who brushes off games he's never played on a system he doesn't even own because he wants something from gaming that it can no longer offer.
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This is like back in 2002 when the Cube had a drought (which was admitingly much worse than this one) and people were all "OMG! Cel Damage came out this week.! YES!" And if you don't remember Cel Damage that's part of the point.
I remember Cel Damage because I rented it and it sucked, but I'm going to remember Godfather as the first game that truly made the Wii remote translate directly into violent action and one that my friends and I enjoyed playing together.
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Godfather came out on other consoles a YEAR AGO so don't try to pass it off as some sort of big must play game. It's just EA dumping whatever they can on the Wii to get a sale from people itching for a new game during a lull. Maybe the game is actually pretty good but that doesn't not make it a cash-in port. It's the equivalent of Crazy Taxi on the Cube which was a good game, though an old one ported for a quick buck during a release drought. No one then said "hey the drought's over because this game is great."
See, this is where your lack of a Wii really shines through: you don't understand what Wii control can actually DO for a game.
Go read any of the Blackhand reviews. You'll notice ONE thing in common with all of them: everyone LOVES the controls, and I mean LOOOOOVES them. EA could have made a half-assed port with the Wii controls badly shoehorned in for a quick and dirty buck, but instead, they went the extra mile and made these controls so good they rival Wii Sports in responsiveness. Seriously, these controls are so good, I didn't expect them to be this responsive outside of a Nintendo-made game.
The reason why the Godfather is so fun is because of the controls, and again, because you don't own a Wii (and made no effort to acquire one, from what I remember) you don't understand just how much of a difference it can make.
I call this a flood because I WANT to try all of these games. From cooking games to more FPSes, I find the promise of these enticing enough that I wish to rent them all.
I don't expect anyone to share that opinion, but I'm completely serious when I say that the new control scheme of the Wii has breathed a second life into my desire to try games which I wouldn't have otherwise bothered with.
Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2007, 02:36:52 PM
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The Wii line-up now is fantastic considering it's living on third party titles for the most part.
I don't think the quality of 3rd party offerings is that much better than it was on Gamecube during the same time period. There just happens to be more games released on Wii. I have to give Nintendo and the Wii credit though for consistently selling out almost everywhere (or is it actually everywhere on a global level?) despite a general lack of AAA titles. Still, that right there is nothing short of amazing.
Also, reviews are subjective. They're designed to give people an idea of what a game is like, but you really won't know until you try a game itself. I remember when EGM gave Castlevania on N64 7 and 8's.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 26, 2007, 02:57:25 PM
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I remember Cel Damage because I rented it and it sucked, but I'm going to remember Godfather as the first game that truly made the Wii remote translate directly into violent action and one that my friends and I enjoyed playing together.
And I'm not there to experience it with you guys...
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Post by: wandering on March 26, 2007, 03:03:57 PM
President Andrew Shepherd: Look, if the people want to play-...
Lewis Rothschild: They don't have a choice! Mediocre games are the only ones coming out! People want good games, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine good games for the Wii, they'll buy anything that's put on store shelves. They want good games. They're so thirsty for them they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.
President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had games that were beloved, that couldn't find a coherent control scheme with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 26, 2007, 03:18:03 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
You know, this discussion reminds me of a scene from the American President....
President Andrew Shepherd: Look, if the people want to play-...
Lewis Rothschild: They don't have a choice! Mediocre games are the only ones coming out! People want good games, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine good games for the Wii, they'll buy anything that's put on store shelves. They want good games. They're so thirsty for them they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.
President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had games that were beloved, that couldn't find a coherent control scheme with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.
Sooo...was that a jab towards the fans that are pro third party or fans that are against the games?
From what I understand, its a jab at both.
Also, caught the Alice in Wonderland quote in your sig, which is funny because I saw the movie last Friday :p .
Post by: Caliban on March 26, 2007, 03:46:28 PM
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April is pretty quiet (yes, that is sarcasm), except for PoP on the 5th, Super Paper Mario on the 11th and Bust-A-Move on the 19th.
What about Radio Allergy, I think it comes on the 27th.
Post by: IceCold on March 26, 2007, 04:12:13 PM
Also, you guys are thinking way too much. Super Paper Mario comes out in 2 weeks. That's all you need to know.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 26, 2007, 05:13:38 PM
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First off, everything Infernal said is true.
Also, you guys are thinking way too much. Super Paper Mario comes out in 2 weeks. That's all you need to know.
That is true, can't wait to play it.
Post by: Urkel on March 26, 2007, 05:43:08 PM
All the angst here is hi-larious, including my own, as you'll see.
So, just out of curiosity, are Nintendo fans unable to discern quality in portable games too, or is it just when their system isn't yet in first place? I bought (and enjoyed!) Touch Detective even though it got some unimpressive reviews. UH OH MUST BE A DESPERATE FANBOY!
I mean, by Ian's standards I'm pretty sure it would qualify as a filler title since:
1. It wasn't made between 1992 and 1996.
2. It wasn't on the cover of EGM just like every Xbox 360 game ever made, ever, so we know it's not a highly anticipated game according to game journalists and therefore not worth caring about.
3. It was developed by a company nobody has ever heard of so their support doesn't count.
So the only logical conclusion is that I have no taste in games. At all.
It's not like the DS has other "big" titles to choose from. lol subtle sarcasm lol
It's not like the DS has a couple really amazing adventure games with which I could use as a standard to determine if a game like Touch Detective is any good. lol can you tell I'm still being sarcastic lolololololol
Nope, I bought it because I'm desperate and have no taste in games. Oddly enough... not sarcasm. Go figure.
And don't think that this only applies to third party games. If a Nintendo gamer claims to enjoy a first party game, then they're also exhibiting poor taste since real Nintendo fans know that Miyamoto is past his prime.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 26, 2007, 07:27:48 PM
On one hand it's good that the Wii is getting a decent number of titles this month. It shows some third party support. Especially since third parties are now starting to modify and add more content to their Wii versions of game. It's showing growing faith in Nintendo's console, which is a good thing no matter how you look at it.
But, on the other hand, to say that the support is fantastic is still quite a stretch, by any imagination. Three of those games are getting panned by the review community at large (not just IGN), and sure reviews don't mean everything--there'll always be people who can find something fun in even the worst of games, but at the same time reviewers can't be completely ignored. If the majority of people reviewing a game says it's bad....chances are it just might be.
Not only that, but the most anticipated title of the bunch is just a somewhat modified version of port game. The Godfather is a FUN game, I'll give it that, but that still doesn't change that fact that, once again, the anticipated Wii game of the month is a port. That's not "Fantastic" support.
Though I will say it looks like good support is coming, something I wouldn't have said just last month.
Post by: wandering on March 26, 2007, 08:39:21 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
You know, this discussion reminds me of a scene from the American President....
President Andrew Shepherd: Look, if the people want to play-...
Lewis Rothschild: They don't have a choice! Mediocre games are the only ones coming out! People want good games, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine good games for the Wii, they'll buy anything that's put on store shelves. They want good games. They're so thirsty for them they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.
President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had games that were beloved, that couldn't find a coherent control scheme with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.
Sooo...was that a jab towards the fans that are pro third party or fans that are against the games?.
More the former than the latter. I was trying to say this "flood" was more like a mirage in the desert. I wasn't impressed by Smash Brother's list of games (though I haven't, I admit, played any of them.)
Post by: Kairon on March 26, 2007, 08:51:52 PM
If you really believe that that exchange is made to attack the voters(gamers, in our case), then there's nothing you can do because people don't have the capacity of telling right from wrong, good from bad. Cynicism of that level has NO PLACE in a position of national leadership, and it has NO PLACE in the business of making great videogames.
The point of that exchange is that Michael Douglas' character, the President, was being looked to for LEADERSHIP, and at that point in the story refusing to lead. In our videogame world, we're looking at third parties, who are being called to provide good gaming. Are they leading the way to good experiences? Are we drinking water, or sand? I'd like to think we can tell the difference.
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And don't think that this only applies to third party games. If a Nintendo gamer claims to enjoy a first party game, then they're also exhibiting poor taste since real Nintendo fans know that Miyamoto is past his prime.
You're right, but a slight correction. Enjoying a Nintendo game now is poor taste because we all know that Miyamoto isn't DIRECTING any of 'em anymore. Just fyi.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: wandering on March 26, 2007, 09:18:06 PM
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No, the point of that exchange in The American President is to show the American President being cynical and derisive about the American people... a low point for the movie AND the character because its utterly DEMORALIZING in the president.
If you really believe that that exchange is made to attack the voters(gamers, in our case), then there's nothing you can do because people don't have the capacity of telling right from wrong, good from bad. Cynicism of that level has NO PLACE in a position of national leadership, and it has NO PLACE in the business of making great videogames.
The point of that exchange is that Michael Douglas' character, the President, was being looked to for LEADERSHIP, and at that point in the story refusing to lead. In our videogame world, we're looking at third parties, who are being called to provide good gaming. Are they leading the way to good experiences? Are we drinking water, or sand? I'd like to think we can tell the difference.
Perhaps you're right. Perhaps gamers can tell the difference, and are only drinking the sand because they're so thirsty.
Post by: Kairon on March 26, 2007, 09:39:22 PM
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Perhaps you're right. Perhaps gamers can tell the difference, and are only drinking the sand because they're so thirsty.
I sense a faulty assumption...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 26, 2007, 09:45:31 PM
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But, on the other hand, to say that the support is fantastic is still quite a stretch, by any imagination.
Kind of like, I dunno, Sony pimp slapping Nintendo at GDC?
Post by: Pittbboi on March 26, 2007, 09:53:53 PM
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Kind of like, I dunno, Sony pimp slapping Nintendo at GDC?
For heaven's sake will you get over that??? Not only have I explained it countless times that I did NOT say Sony was specifically pimp slapping Nintendo and that it was JUST AN EXPRESSION I WAS USING but it was several weeks ago, and it has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about here.
Will you let it go already? Sony had a much better showing than Nintendo at the GDC--or at least I thought so. Now just let it die.
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2007, 04:35:15 AM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 27, 2007, 04:51:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi But, on the other hand, to say that the support is fantastic is still quite a stretch, by any imagination. Three of those games are getting panned by the review community at large (not just IGN), and sure reviews don't mean everything--there'll always be people who can find something fun in even the worst of games, but at the same time reviewers can't be completely ignored. If the majority of people reviewing a game says it's bad....chances are it just might be.
I should probably clarify something: the reason why I started this thread was to express the fact that I had nothing to play for the longest time, then seven games were suddenly released, all of which I planned on renting through gamefly because I genuinely wanted to try them.
However, on the subject of AAA titles, when I do Medacast, one of the things we cover every week is the release list for ALL consoles. First of all, the Wii is the only console to receive 7 titles on one day/week. Second, I get the feeling many people complain about the lack of AAA titles without understanding that there are NO consoles receiving AAA titles right now. It ain't just the Wii: gaming is, in general, in a slump.
In fact, it's accurate to say that, despite the weird control scheme, the Wii generally receives more titles than even the 360, forget the PS3.
I can understand wanting more, but it's the act of wanting more without realizing that NO ONE ELSE has "more" than you do.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 27, 2007, 05:04:06 AM
Not every game has to be Zelda but this is not a flood of great titles. If you're impressed by this lineup of games, you're settling. This is just the typical spurt of mediocrity that happens after a launch. I wouldn't be impressed by a lineup like this on the NES, SNES, N64 or Gamecube. I think if the Xbox 360 had this lineup the very people going ga-ga over it now would be making fun of it. In a couple months the really good stuff will come out. There will be more first party games and third parties will be releasing more new stuff and everyone will have had more experience and put out better stuff. If you weren't starved for games you wouldn't give this stuff a second look. In fact third parties know that which is why they release titles like this now. This is the only time where year-old ports or games that aren't quite polished yet are accepted and sell well. It's like how Red Steel sold really well despite control issues. Because it was launch people gave it more slack. If it had been released a year later it would have bombed because by that point people will expect more.
Hell I remember some people going crazy over every game released during the first few months of the DS' life. Now years later when we've seen better that period is not remembered fondly. When anyone lists the best of the DS they don't focus on that early launch period because they realize that they were overrating everything because they were desperate for anything to play. Don't wait for the lover of your dreams but don't marry the first person to come along either.
And I find it funny that in the past someone who looked at reviews was considered a smart shopper but once a Nintendo console hits a drought and games become more scarce suddenly every game is unjustly underrated by reviewers and we apparently have to try every game out or we're suckers. The same thing happened once the Cube release dried up. Reviews suddenly were bad because the reviews for the one Cube game to come out in a three month span weren't so hot, but dammit that was the only game we got so we decided it was worth our money before it came out. God forbid we play nothing and find something else to do for a little while rather than overrate mediocre titles. Note that the best Wii games actually do have good average ratings. If Zelda was getting low scores then maybe you could say reviews don't mean anything but it got well deserved good scores across the board. So it's not like some big anti-Wii bias because the Wii game that really deserved the big scores got the big scores.
Honestly if the title of this thread was "some of these games are pretty fun" I wouldn't say anything. It's the "flood of games" hyperbole that drives me nuts like the "boy our third party support is super great" or when anyone says a system that has been out for a few months is the best system ever.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 27, 2007, 05:05:31 AM
Seriously, Home is a neat concept and Little big planet looks cute, but NOTHING worth getting excited about. So if you thought Sony won over Nintendo because of that you should seriously consider your loyalty of companies...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 27, 2007, 05:10:15 AM
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"Thus, your standards are ridiculously high, and that doesn't mean you're a more discerning gamer with better tastes. It means that you're a snob who brushes off games he's never played on a system he doesn't even own because he wants something from gaming that it can no longer offer."
Not every game has to be Zelda but this is not a flood of great titles. If you're impressed by this lineup of games, you're settling. This is just the typical spurt of mediocrity that happens after a launch. I wouldn't be impressed by a lineup like this on the NES, SNES, N64 or Gamecube. I think if the Xbox 360 had this lineup the very people going ga-ga over it now would be making fun of it. In a couple months the really good stuff will come out. There will be more first party games and third parties will be releasing more new stuff and everyone will have had more experience and put out better stuff. If you weren't starved for games you wouldn't give this stuff a second look. In fact third parties know that which is why they release titles like this now. This is the only time where year-old ports or games that aren't quite polished yet are accepted and sell well. It's like how Red Steel sold really well despite control issues. Because it was launch people gave it more slack. If it had been released a year later it would have bombed because by that point people will expect more.
Hell I remember some people going crazy over every game released during the first few months of the DS' life. Now years later when we've seen better that period is not remembered fondly. When anyone lists the best of the DS they don't focus on that early launch period because they realize that they were overrating everything because they were desperate for anything to play. Don't wait for the lover of your dreams but don't marry the first person to come along either.
And I find it funny that in the past someone who looked at reviews was considered a smart shopper but once a Nintendo console hits a drought and games become more scarce suddenly every game is unjustly underrated by reviewers and we apparently have to try every game out or we're suckers. The same thing happened once the Cube release dried up. Reviews suddenly were bad because the reviews for the one Cube game to come out in a three month span weren't so hot, but dammit that was the only game we got so we decided it was worth our money before it came out. God forbid we play nothing and find something else to do for a little while rather than overrate mediocre titles. Note that the best Wii games actually do have good average ratings. If Zelda was getting low scores then maybe you could say reviews don't mean anything but it got well deserved good scores across the board. So it's not like some big anti-Wii bias because the Wii game that really deserved the big scores got the big scores.
Honestly if the title of this thread was "some of these games are pretty fun" I wouldn't say anything. It's the "flood of games" hyperbole that drives me nuts like the "boy our third party support is super great" or when anyone says a system that has been out for a few months is the best system ever.
Go buy a Wii, play the games mentioned and then maybe we'll take your argument more seriously...
Leaving the angst aside, dude, all you are doing is whining and complaining about the games getting some attention simply because they don't meet YOUR standards. You have already confessed that you don't have a Wii and by the way you are acting you WON'T bother with these games.
Post by: jakeOSX on March 27, 2007, 05:23:29 AM
yes, i am glad there are games coming out, and a bit of them too. I want the Wii section to be so big it drives the PS3 and 360 sections into one isle to make up for the Cube days where the GBA and Cube were stuffed in a back corner.
now. what we have here is perspective. the godfather could be the best game since the 2-bit version of sliced bread and i still wouldn't be interested in it right now. ian is right, most of the list of games out are movie tie-ins and ports from other systems. is that bad? no. but it doesn't make for MUST HAVE games.
that being said, do i enjoy the hell out of need for speed? you know it. call of duty? yup. but i am not going to get MoH or excite truck because i have a first person WW2 shooter and a race car game. i'm looking for something new, something i WANT. as ian said, that will happen in a few months. by christmas time there will be the first gen of really good games. we'll be getting the etneral darkness's and the smash brothers's, those games we'll be talking about in four years when the next gen game system is being talked about.
keep the games coming, yes. but don't expect me to jump in excitement at anything that is put out. not when i have zelda, specktrobes and phoenix wright to keep me occupied. (and pokemon on the way)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 27, 2007, 05:33:54 AM
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so i am jumping in late and on ian's side, but here i go anyway.
yes, i am glad there are games coming out, and a bit of them too. I want the Wii section to be so big it drives the PS3 and 360 sections into one isle to make up for the Cube days where the GBA and Cube were stuffed in a back corner.
now. what we have here is perspective. the godfather could be the best game since the 2-bit version of sliced bread and i still wouldn't be interested in it right now. ian is right, most of the list of games out are movie tie-ins and ports from other systems. is that bad? no. but it doesn't make for MUST HAVE games.
that being said, do i enjoy the hell out of need for speed? you know it. call of duty? yup. but i am not going to get MoH or excite truck because i have a first person WW2 shooter and a race car game. i'm looking for something new, something i WANT. as ian said, that will happen in a few months. by christmas time there will be the first gen of really good games. we'll be getting the etneral darkness's and the smash brothers's, those games we'll be talking about in four years when the next gen game system is being talked about.
keep the games coming, yes. but don't expect me to jump in excitement at anything that is put out. not when i have zelda, specktrobes and phoenix wright to keep me occupied. (and pokemon on the way)
We are NOT telling you that every game that comes out is WORTH buying or is the best game on the system at the moment. What we are saying is that these are some fun games that are worth TRYING.
I don't care if you buy the Godfather or not or if you give a rat's ass about any Ubi game ever release. What is annoying me about the Nintendo snob argument is that they are quick to shun the games without giving them a proper try AND shunning the fans that are supporting these games and trying them out and genuinely having fun with them. THAT'S what is making me angry about the argument.
So in case you didn't get it the first time...
WHAT WE ARE SAYING:
- That there are a lot of games coming out for the Wii
- The support is really good
- Some of these games are actually fun and worth a try
- In some cases the game are VERY good, better than expected
- You shouldn't buy them if you don't care much for them
WHAT WE ARE NOT SAYING:
- That all of these are uber fantastic games
- That all of them are worth trying
- That this is the most AMAZING support ever seen on the system
Post by: jakeOSX on March 27, 2007, 05:39:21 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 27, 2007, 05:43:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane Honestly if the title of this thread was "some of these games are pretty fun" I wouldn't say anything. It's the "flood of games" hyperbole that drives me nuts like the "boy our third party support is super great" or when anyone says a system that has been out for a few months is the best system ever.
My reason for naming this thread as such was because I went from having nothing I wanted to try to suddenly having an immense backlog of games I wanted to try.
16th Tiger Woods: Always curious to see how motion-sensing sports turn out and this one turned out well.
19th TMNT: Using the PoP engine for a turtles game? Finally, they'll be doing more "ninja" activities instead of the straightforward beat 'em ups.
21st Blazing Angels: Combat flight sim using Wii controls. I definitely wanted to try one of these.
21st Godfather: The game that, ironically, WOULD allay all Ian's fears about the Wii destroying "gamer" games if he played it.
21st Kororinpa: Looks like a brief but fun marble madness-esque game.
21st Cooking Mama: I need to see what all of the fuss is about.
28th MoH: Vanguard: Wiimote + FPS aiming = better than teh sex
So yeah, these may not be AAA material, but that doesn't change the fact that I want to try all of them, hence why it's a "flood" for me.
But seriously, if you buy a Wii, humor me and rent Godfather. It's proof that gamer games benefit IMMENSELY from Wiimote control. I'm dead serious when I say that, after someone has used the Wii controls, they will not, CANNOT go back to either the 360 or PS3 versions. It just can't happen.
That, in my mind, says so much about why the Wii is kicking ass this gen and will continue to do so.
Post by: Ceric on March 27, 2007, 05:56:36 AM
Post by: jakeOSX on March 27, 2007, 05:59:53 AM
you are particularly animated about this subject. perhaps i should have just let it go, but i'll bite.
you said that the nintendo snobs have high standards in gaming and that is their problem. forgive me if i don't think this makes sense. at $50 a game i can't afford to buy something i'll get bored of in a few days. do i have high standards? depends on what you mean. i require a game to be fun, for me. my version of fun may be different from yours.
example, i was probably one of three people on the planet who loved starfox adventures.
as games get better, will my standards go up as well? probably. tales of symphonia was one of the best RPG's i've ever played. it will be hard to follow that, in my mind. does that mean i won't like other RPG's? no, but it does mean that my bar is higher now.
the question is, i suppose, will i run out and try/buy the first RPG for the wii... well, i'll promise you this, i won't buy it if it sucks. and i don't care who makes it. third party, first party, birthday party, doesn't matter. only thing that matters is the game.
i am not ragging on you for enjoying these games. in fact, i am glad that you enjoy them. i wish i did. i wish there were games i was as excited about as you are about godfather. but there will be. and maybe you won't be excited about them. so we have different tastes, that's fine.
my opinion is that these games are filler. when the 'eternal darkness' of this gen shows up, we'll know. and that is just my opinion.
i am not shunning anyone for liking the games that are out. we are discussing the games, my opinions were about the games, not about the players. you brought the players into the thread with the 'nintendo snob' label. please do not put words into my mouth (figuratively, of course).
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 27, 2007, 06:01:23 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 27, 2007, 06:04:17 AM
Post by: jakeOSX on March 27, 2007, 06:22:11 AM
my first game was spy hunter. which i still love. so i know my taste in games is askew. =)
Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2007, 06:53:57 AM
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Second, I get the feeling many people complain about the lack of AAA titles without understanding that there are NO consoles receiving AAA titles right now. It ain't just the Wii: gaming is, in general, in a slump.
True, but I get the impression that you're lauding the Wii based on the release of these 7 games and none of them are really that big a deal. It's not so much that people are complaining about the lack of AAA titles. Rather, excitement over these titles seems unwarranted. I want to try Cooking Mama, but I wouldn't start a thread about it. I'm glad Wii is getting some releases. It's better than not getting them. However, that's as far as my prasie goes.
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I always check the game rental area in Blockbuster or Hollywood when I'm in and it takes them forever to get new games in if they get them at all.
Hollywood Video's new game rentals generally arrive Friday afternoon and are recieved into the system and put out as soon as possible (at least in my district). So if a game is released on Tuesday or Wednesday and Hollywood gets them, they'll be there that Friday. It's a secret to everybody.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 27, 2007, 07:23:16 AM
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Smash_Brother wrote:
Second, I get the feeling many people complain about the lack of AAA titles without understanding that there are NO consoles receiving AAA titles right now. It ain't just the Wii: gaming is, in general, in a slump.
True, but I get the impression that you're lauding the Wii based on the release of these 7 games and none of them are really that big a deal. It's not so much that people are complaining about the lack of AAA titles. Rather, excitement over these titles seems unwarranted. I want to try Cooking Mama, but I wouldn't start a thread about it. I'm glad Wii is getting some releases. It's better than not getting them. However, that's as far as my prasie goes.
Once again, SB's point was NOT to say "These games are great, you should buy them!". He has more than once stated that the reason he posted this was because he went from having NOTHING to play to looking forward to playing a lot of games on the Wii and that he is excited because TO HIM the Wii controls will add a lot to the experience.
I don't know how to make this anymore clearer. SB cleared it up, I explained it a couple of times already yet you guys keep INSISTING that these aren't great games because of YOUR values when it comes to gaming.
Once again...SB's point is that he is looking forward to a lot of games and was caught by surprise by how many releases are coming his way. Whether you agree with him or not that your problem to deal with.
And forgive my redundancy, but what I am trying to state in this thread is that you shouldn't be hard on some of these games as you never know if one of them will be quite good (kinda like what happened with SB and the Godfather).
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 27, 2007, 07:28:01 AM
But yeah, I didn't really stop to consider that people are just dismissing these games without ever having played them. That does pang of the typical Nintendo fan snobbery.
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2007, 07:42:39 AM
Too bad I've got this constitutional problem someplace in me against renting games... I'll try it out sometime, really, but even gamefly or gametap just seem too expensive for me...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2007, 07:52:57 AM
Smash_Brother can like whatever the hell he damn well pleases, but subjectivity goes both ways. Not everyone is excited to try those titles the way he is. So the way I understand this so-called argument, Smash wants to try these games, other people don't. Everyone has an opinion and no one is "right" because opinions are subjective. Is that it? If so, f*ck this, I'm going to Target and getting my $24 games. Peace out.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 27, 2007, 08:31:10 AM
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Never! Past infidelities shall live forever in that hallowed realm called the internet to haunt you the rest of your lives!!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
I have no idea why he got mad either, I was supporting his statement, because, if anyone knows what fantastical claims are it is Pittbboi. Some people, you try to help them and they turn against yah.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 27, 2007, 11:40:39 AM
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The ultimate solution is a rental service like Blockbuster or Gamefly... in which case you MUST CLICK CERIC'S SIGNATURE. If you're gonna rent games over the net, at least let ceric refer you so he can get mad props.
Too bad I've got this constitutional problem someplace in me against renting games... I'll try it out sometime, really, but even gamefly or gametap just seem too expensive for me...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
I've considered Gamefly, but can one of you guys tell me whether they stick labels on the discs? I stopped renting games out of paranoia over those labels. I simply don't trust them not to harm my precious electronics somehow.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 27, 2007, 03:27:13 PM
*cough*
Post by: Pittbboi on March 27, 2007, 07:18:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Never! Past infidelities shall live forever in that hallowed realm called the internet to haunt you the rest of your lives!!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
I have no idea why he got mad either, I was supporting his statement, because, if anyone knows what fantastical claims are it is Pittbboi. Some people, you try to help them and they turn against yah.
Oh, umm, sorry...heh heh
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 29, 2007, 06:59:04 AM
In the weeks where a major drought was going on, we got some REALLY amazing titles, the best support we have seen for the VC yet. But when the releases started coming, they slowed down.
Don't believe me? Check the facts:
Before the drought (January, February and first half of March), we got on the VC...
- Ocarina of time
- Splatterhouse
- Adventure Island
- Donkey Kong Country
- Streets of Rage
- Kirby's adventure
- Excite bike
And many more I am honestly forgetting.
After the drought, we got:
- Some obscure Genesis games
- Romance of the three kingdoms (the lone Monday release).
So this proves the theory that Nintendo uses the VC to release something during the drought months.
Post by: IceCold on March 29, 2007, 08:49:41 AM
Post by: Maverick on March 29, 2007, 02:11:27 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 29, 2007, 07:04:44 PM
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Yeah, but it really sucks when you get sub-par virtual console games AND you're not interested in this so called "flood". I don't know... maybe I'll pick up Godfather.
SUCCESS!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 29, 2007, 07:29:24 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 30, 2007, 04:36:18 AM
Post by: Adrock on March 30, 2007, 04:34:15 PM
Post by: Maverick on March 30, 2007, 06:46:45 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 30, 2007, 07:05:28 PM
And you'll need those retries. This game is crazy hard in the later levels, and I can safely say that I enjoy it more than the Wii SMB.
However, I believe the laughter generated from watching each other fail and the subsequent tidal wave of profanity. The good news is that only one player needs to complete the level to progress and while the other player can still play for as long as they'd like to try, they can choose to give up and you can go to the next level.
Unlike SMB, you can actually tip the entire level upside down. With this tactic, you can skip large areas and find "shortcuts", but the developers saw this coming and placed gems around the level which you need to collect before the exit will open up. They also have waypoints which you can activate so you don't need to start at the beginning of the level every time you fall off.
I wouldn't recommend it as a game to buy, but it's an awesome rent if you have a friend to play it with.
Post by: Adrock on March 30, 2007, 07:38:42 PM
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Maverick wrote:
I didn't see Target *carrying* Cooking Mama at all.
Well, the Target you go to sucks. I work at a Target and Cooking Mama is sold out. The one on DS happens to be sold out also. Renewed interest, I suppose.
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 07:59:03 PM
... next three games on my list: Godfather and Kororinpa and Puzzle Quest.
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Post by: Caliban on March 31, 2007, 08:38:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Kororinpa is pure, unbridled fun, but that's because you can play the entire game 2-player and can do all the retries you want without having to worry about lives.
And you'll need those retries. This game is crazy hard in the later levels, and I can safely say that I enjoy it more than the Wii SMB.
Pandaball to the rescue. This game is sooooooooooooooooooo much more enjoyable than Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz.
In this same week that I got both Cooking Mama and kororinpa, I finished (as in I don't really care about extras or bonuses because they are there with the intention of being filler for a drought of games) them both already, not bad because I still have some launch titles to finish and VC titles too, and Super Paper Mario is coming soon and that's the only game I will play until I'm finished wih it and hopefully it will be before Pokemon Diamond comes out, too many games, I don't see why people are complaining about droughts.
Post by: IceCold on March 31, 2007, 07:18:39 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on April 02, 2007, 09:07:54 AM
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Super Paper Mario comes out in 2 weeks. That's all you need to know.
This thread was over two pages ago and yet it kept going.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 02, 2007, 09:12:44 AM
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This thread was over two pages ago and yet it kept going.
I think the Kororinpa discussion was well worth it.
