Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2007, 08:54:10 AM
check your local ad-infested community-driven blog-style news type site for details and sh!ttee digital photos
HAH! Who need accurate information when you've got INTERNET?
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 16, 2007, 09:04:28 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2007, 09:05:09 AM
Post by: vudu on March 16, 2007, 09:27:30 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 16, 2007, 09:34:18 AM
My money's on this being nothing major and that the fans will be extremely disappointed.
Post by: Artimus on March 16, 2007, 09:39:20 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 16, 2007, 09:43:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
It does, indeed, appear to be NiGHTS.
Well, if it turns out to be NiGHTS I will say this...
TILT AND TUMBLE FTW!! INNOVATION AT ITS FINEST!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2007, 09:44:12 AM
"NuGHTS"
?
Post by: Strell on March 16, 2007, 09:48:54 AM
I, too, have faith in such sentiment, but we shall see.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2007, 09:57:28 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 16, 2007, 10:00:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Strell
Someone at CAG has suggest April Fools.
I, too, have faith in such sentiment, but we shall see.
Bait and Switch. Thats my call. I could advertise PSO Episode 2: Plus with a NiGHTs on GBA trailer and not be lying, on the original one I did that quest so many times and never got it to work... Same with Sonic Adventure if memory serve there is a NiGHTs area in there too. Bait and Switch.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 16, 2007, 10:00:55 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 16, 2007, 10:10:25 AM
Also if it is a AFD thing, it's too cruel to start right now.
Post by: BlkPaladin on March 16, 2007, 10:31:04 AM
Post by: Strell on March 16, 2007, 10:34:52 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2007, 10:49:10 AM
Post by: segagamer12 on March 16, 2007, 10:57:18 AM
NiGHTS *was* a fantastic game and definatley would be HUGE on the Wii, Kilelr App HUGE if it is done right. Which is to be seen at the moment. Sega would be SMART not to screw this game up. Even though all the die hard fans will eat it up if it doesn't live up to expectations they're screwed.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 16, 2007, 11:00:56 AM
Post by: IceCold on March 16, 2007, 12:09:49 PM
Okay SEGA, all I need now is Panzer Dragoon Wii, Shenmue Wii, some lightgun games, some arcade racers, and maybe Samba de Amigo. The controller is just perfect for these franchises.
QuoteWhat? It would more than likely use the pointer function..
Well, if it turns out to be NiGHTS I will say this...
TILT AND TUMBLE FTW!! INNOVATION AT ITS FINEST!
Post by: ShyGuy on March 16, 2007, 01:04:20 PM
Post by: Crimm on March 16, 2007, 01:06:06 PM
If it were EGM I would imedately say "this is a prank."
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 16, 2007, 02:27:33 PM
Go Nintendo Hobo: LOL THOSE ARE NOT OFFICIAL, CAN'T TRUST AMAZON, WATCH IMPRESS OR THE PUBLISHERS OWN SITES
*A month later*
Go Nintendo Hobo: BREAKING NEWS! BOX ART REVEALED AT EB.COM!
Infernal: ... And it's fake, I linked you to the real one a month ago
Go Nintendo Hobo: WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?!?!?!?! DAILY THOUGHT: I'M SELLING THE SHOWER SINCE I NEVER USE IT
Anyway el oh el, Sega's gonna stuff NiGHTS up. Hopefully nobody buys it and Sega stop trying to break EVERYTHING (See; Sonic, Altered Beast, Golden Axe, Alien Syndrome, After Burner)
Post by: 18 Days on March 16, 2007, 02:50:55 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 16, 2007, 03:11:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Infernal: Hey Go Nintendo Hobo, here's some new box art (linked from trustworthy sites!)
Go Nintendo Hobo: LOL THOSE ARE NOT OFFICIAL, CAN'T TRUST AMAZON, WATCH IMPRESS OR THE PUBLISHERS OWN SITES
*A month later*
Go Nintendo Hobo: BREAKING NEWS! BOX ART REVEALED AT EB.COM!
Infernal: ... And it's fake, I linked you to the real one a month ago
Go Nintendo Hobo: WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?!?!?!?! DAILY THOUGHT: I'M SELLING THE SHOWER SINCE I NEVER USE IT
Anyway el oh el, Sega's gonna stuff NiGHTS up. Hopefully nobody buys it and Sega stop trying to break EVERYTHING (See; Sonic, Altered Beast, Golden Axe, Alien Syndrome, After Burner)
Now this is definitely angst much!
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 16, 2007, 03:13:20 PM
Anyway, Sega will probably mess up the game in some way. Prove us wrong, please.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 16, 2007, 03:19:43 PM
Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2007, 04:37:33 PM
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PartyBear wrote:
An April Fools joke pulled in mid-March would be lamer than FDR's legs.
Too soon...
(emoticon included to denote understanding of Family Guy reference)Quote
18 days wrote:
Reminder: Yuji Naka no longer works at Sega.
That won't stop them. It sure didn't stop them from making Sonic and the Secret Rings.
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Dirk Temporo wrote:
So what is NiGHTS and why is everyone so obsessed with it?
That game that came with the analog stick Saturn Controller. Only cult fans are obsessed with it... all 12 of them. It was a pretty neat game from what little I remember of it. I'd love to see a sequel on Wii rather than not see a sequel on Wii or at all.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2007, 05:11:23 PM
*They used a Leon(RE) cutout to hype an unknown game that turned out to be Bomberman and have said the the base to the Wii was actually a battery*
There is another magazine(NGamer) that is supposedly hyping the same exclusive game coming to Wii but uses a different picture and says that the picture is a hint.
It looks more like Earthbound(or maybe Star Tropics?) from the other magazines picture, so I wouldn't exactly get all hyped up yet if I were you guys. Just wait and see where this one goes.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 16, 2007, 05:19:50 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Now this is definitely angst much!
Tell me about it! (IN BED)
Post by: segagamer12 on March 16, 2007, 05:30:58 PM
Goto sega boards and see how obsessed Sega fans are over the game. It *WAS* a very fun game, for a bit, but IMO not wortht eh major HYPE, but because of the hype Sega eitehr has to out do the original in every way, or else people will be lt down because overhype can ruin a good, but not execellent game. The original is a very good game though and definately long overdue for a sequel.
Altered Beast, as much as I like it, should have stayed dead.
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 16, 2007, 05:41:00 PM
Post by: Arbok on March 16, 2007, 05:47:28 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
It *WAS* a very fun game, for a bit, but IMO not wortht eh major HYPE, but because of the hype Sega eitehr has to out do the original in every way, or else people will be lt down because overhype can ruin a good, but not execellent game.
One of my eyes went on strike half way through that...
Post by: segagamer12 on March 16, 2007, 05:49:14 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on March 16, 2007, 06:08:20 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2007, 06:47:57 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Now this is definitely angst much!
As much as I do agree with Infernal, this is hella funny.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 16, 2007, 07:19:09 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
?????????????????? I don't get it.
That's a pity. I did a course on Information Technology, I get IT.
Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2007, 07:27:49 PM
The text in ONM is pretty cryptic. It could mean everything.... and ONM is super-lame, adding to the lameness of the rumor.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 16, 2007, 07:30:54 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2007, 10:08:23 PM
*LAFFO LAFFO JUST ONE MISPLACED KEY*
WISE FWUM YOR GWAVE
i dig it
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 16, 2007, 10:19:24 PM
DID YOU KNOW: I completed NiGHTS with a normal Saturn control pad. Yes, yes, you can have my signature. Give it back later!
Post by: Terranigma Freak on March 17, 2007, 02:39:49 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2007, 02:48:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
WISE FWUM YOR GWAVE
CAUSE WEWRE GOWIN WABBIT HUNTIN
Post by: Artimus on March 17, 2007, 05:24:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
It's fake. You can put whatever the hell you want in the picture and say whatever it is. I'm hoping for Earthbound myself.
Well, that's not true. It could be fake but the brightest stars really are shaped like the NiGHTS logo.
Post by: Caterkiller on March 17, 2007, 06:08:43 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 17, 2007, 06:36:35 AM
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Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: Terranigma Freak
It's fake. You can put whatever the hell you want in the picture and say whatever it is. I'm hoping for Earthbound myself.
Well, that's not true. It could be fake but the brightest stars really are shaped like the NiGHTS logo.
Did you not get the memo about ONM using "bait and switch" imagery in the past to hype an announcement of a game that had nothing to do with their current picture?
*using Leon from RE to hype a exclusive game that turned out to be Bomberman*
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
I take back what I said. I will not be happy if this is a new Nights games! Sonic Team is in no position and has not proven itself worthy of making any half decent game. Secret Rings is ok, and a step in the right direction, but thats it. It needed to be phenominal, like a new Nights game from them wouldn't be.
Are you sure Sonic Team made the Wii sonic?
I heard Sonic Team made the PS3 & 360 version of Sonic, which wasn't so good, and a different team handled the much different Wii Sonic game.
That doesn't change the fact that might be making this mysterious "space" related game, but I don't want you to accidentally give Sonic Team credit, where credit isn't due.
edit: Well either way, someone already gathered all the evidence towards this being what everyone seems to be hoping it is.
NiGHTS for Wii and/or Saturn on VC?
Post by: Caterkiller on March 17, 2007, 12:21:41 PM
Post by: Shift Key on March 17, 2007, 12:29:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
April 1st is "Be an ass on the internet" day.
And the rest of the year isn't? This internet's changed, man!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 17, 2007, 01:54:27 PM
A SEQUEL TO BILLY HATCHER!!!!!
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2007, 02:00:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Shift Key
And the rest of the year isn't? This internet's changed, man!
Ok, point well made.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 17, 2007, 02:07:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Shift Key
And the rest of the year isn't? This internet's changed, man!
Ok, point well made.
Um, didn't you read what I said...
I said...
SEQUEL TO BILLY HATCHER!!!
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2007, 02:10:50 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 17, 2007, 02:13:33 PM
CHICKENS IN OUTER SPACE! PROTECTING THE HUMAN RACE!
Killer app material right there!
Post by: MLS_man_64 on March 17, 2007, 02:32:03 PM
Post by: IceCold on March 17, 2007, 02:39:17 PM
It's the NiGHTS of Wii!
Post by: Blue Plant on March 17, 2007, 02:50:59 PM
Post by: Shift Key on March 17, 2007, 03:01:11 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
"Billy Hatcher: Chickens in outer space"
CHICKENS IN OUTER SPACE! PROTECTING THE HUMAN RACE!
Killer app material right there!
More like vapour-app!
Post by: King of Twitch on March 17, 2007, 03:27:12 PM
Post by: segagamer12 on March 17, 2007, 03:50:25 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 17, 2007, 03:57:36 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Um, didn't you read what I said...
I said...
SEQUEL TO BILLY HATCHER!!!
I sure hope so! Billy Hatcher is still the only good thing Sonic Team's made since the Mega Drive days. :]
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 17, 2007, 05:09:53 PM
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Originally posted by: segagamer12
Yuji Naka may have left, but he never wanted to doa sequel for NiGHTS so he's not likely to participate even if it is true. However Sega still has some of thier old talent lieying around they could sprinkle some pixie dust on and get thier magic back.
I kind of get the impression that you are in denial in regards to present day Sega, they have no magic left anymore.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 17, 2007, 06:09:54 PM
Post by: Adrock on March 17, 2007, 06:49:25 PM
A game like NiGHTS could bring old Sega back. It's a franchise some people have fond memories of. Releasing a good sequel could put them back on track.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 17, 2007, 07:34:54 PM
Post by: Shift Key on March 17, 2007, 08:00:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Releasing a good sequel could put them back on track.
Surely after releasing so many mediocre Sonic sequels these days Sega could make a good sequel of SOMETHING.
Then again, I don't think Sega could fall out of a boat and hit water. In terms of game development at least - I haven't had the opportunity to literally test out this theory with a Sega staffer.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 17, 2007, 08:21:37 PM
Post by: The Traveller on March 17, 2007, 09:58:08 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 17, 2007, 11:57:00 PM
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Originally posted by: The Traveller
Sega actually used to put out a lot of titles, specially in the Dreamcast days. Its not that they are making too many games, its that they the people making the games dont have a clue.
Ah the dreamcast days, which had some of the best Sega titles of all time! Too bad the failure of Dreamcast is pretty much what caused their downward spiral.
Post by: Adrock on March 18, 2007, 06:12:44 AM
Post by: Arbok on March 18, 2007, 06:21:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
I feel like they need to take a good look at their business model, realize that it's not that good, and start fresh.
This is Sega, business sense has always been their weakness. This is the firm that heavily supported the Xbox at the start of the last generation despite lagging sales of their games on the console, and with titles which would have done infinitely better on either the PS2 or GCN.
They have had some success on their side though. Despite critical reception, the Sonic games still sell very well, while the Mushiking series was pretty hot for awhile... but they seemed to have dropped the ball there now.
Post by: Ghisy on March 18, 2007, 08:48:24 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 18, 2007, 10:15:25 AM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: Adrock
I feel like they need to take a good look at their business model, realize that it's not that good, and start fresh.
This is Sega, business sense has always been their weakness. This is the firm that heavily supported the Xbox at the start of the last generation despite lagging sales of their games on the console, and with titles which would have done infinitely better on either the PS2 or GCN.
They have had some success on their side though. Despite critical reception, the Sonic games still sell very well, while the Mushiking series was pretty hot for awhile... but they seemed to have dropped the ball there now.
Actually wouldn't that boil down to Market Research really in the end?
Post by: the1st_fret on March 18, 2007, 10:43:45 AM
If I hadn't seen these Link's on the Web and hadn't just seen the pages in front of me in my copy of ONM I don't think I'd ever have guessed it was NiGHTS 2.
Anyways. Like the rest, when I first saw the links (I saw the links before the pages, how did that happen, I skipped right past the page? LOL!) I was saying "No, don't do this to me again. But they (ONM) have said now for the last couple of issues they've had to sign a good few NDA's! And Chandra has just got back from Japan from an exclusive test of a new secret game.
NiGHTS 2 is becoming a reality
Last of all. Yes SEGA suck, I hate them, they wreck everything they touch and I don't know why I thought Secret rings would be any different but I haven't played it since the day I bought it. But i'm keen to point out, that neither Sonic team or SEGA have anything to do with Yuji Naka or his new development team. Naka took his best team members and left long ago. The only relationship he has now with SEGA is they have given him some funding for his new development team/studio. As is my understanding.
Naka's the kinda guy who always wants to move onto bigger and better things. Personal opinion coming this way... He's done with Sega and Sonic and he wants to create a whole new world of gaming, that'll go nicely with the Wii's concept then.
I'm very excited to see what NiGHTS 2 brings. Naturally, i'll be keeping my guard up, don't want to get too excited too early. But as Chandra said, something will likely be leaked onto the web before their next issue hits the shelves.
But if/when we start seeing NiGHTS 2 footage, man... Gaming really will never be the same!
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2007, 11:06:49 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 18, 2007, 11:31:56 AM
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 18, 2007, 11:55:03 AM
This game would be really cool if it didn't require the sensor bar so one doesn't have to work within the confines of the screen as much. Being able to move your character around with broader motions would be neat.
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 19, 2007, 02:19:33 AM
Quickly jabbing the controller forward can allow for speed boost, which could also be an attack. Speed boosts can can done two ways. Just pushing forward would make the character dart in a straight line. Holding B or A and jabbing forward would allow for the speed boost to continue following the path you have drawn for flight.
Post by: the1st_fret on March 19, 2007, 02:33:41 AM
And I believe NiGHTS 2 will be controlled by holding the Wii remote in a horizontal position, just like excite truck. So it won't need the pointer. But who knows. Perhaps there'll be moments in the game when it does.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 19, 2007, 05:27:51 AM
QuoteYou say this with such confidence, is there something you know that we don't? Do you have a friend that has a friend that woks @ Sega or something?
Originally posted by: the1st_fret
No, Yuji Naka and his new development team called "Prope" will be working on NiGHTS 2. It'll have nothing to do with Sonic Team.
And I believe NiGHTS 2 will be controlled by holding the Wii remote in a horizontal position, just like excite truck. So it won't need the pointer. But who knows. Perhaps there'll be moments in the game when it does.
Post by: Ceric on March 19, 2007, 05:38:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
If this comes put, using the cursor bar and making a line is the only means to really make the game fluid. You can have a small star path appear to help you know where you are flying. Twisting the remote could allow the player to spin on screen. This could be used for a king of attack while moving through the rings.
Quickly jabbing the controller forward can allow for speed boost, which could also be an attack. Speed boosts can can done two ways. Just pushing forward would make the character dart in a straight line. Holding B or A and jabbing forward would allow for the speed boost to continue following the path you have drawn for flight.
If those are the controls I won't touch the game with a ten foot pole. So far anygame that has you twist the Wiimote I have not enjoyed those portions, RRR, Trauma Center, and WiiPlay, with Super Monkey Ball being the exception. Also "jabbing forward" is not precise enough and doesn't always register for me, RRR, Trauma Center, WiiPlay, Sonic and the Hardcore Onion Ring, and Marvel Ultimate Alliance.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 19, 2007, 05:57:49 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1QuoteYou say this with such confidence, is there something you know that we don't? Do you have a friend that has a friend that woks @ Sega or something?
Originally posted by: the1st_fret
No, Yuji Naka and his new development team called "Prope" will be working on NiGHTS 2. It'll have nothing to do with Sonic Team.
And I believe NiGHTS 2 will be controlled by holding the Wii remote in a horizontal position, just like excite truck. So it won't need the pointer. But who knows. Perhaps there'll be moments in the game when it does.
I was thinking the exact, same thing too.
Maybe he got the info from an old interview?
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 19, 2007, 05:58:06 AM
That was just my first attempt on thinking about controls for the game.
Post by: the1st_fret on March 19, 2007, 07:47:56 AM
I agree they've really gone down since the Dreamcast, their drive was meant to be a great software company. I thought this meant all systems getting hits like Power Stone, Shemue, Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio Y'know, as if they were to continue living as if they had a console and delivering the same awesome and unbeatable game quality, but through other companies. Like they did as they were making Dreamcast ports. Sadly this wasn't the case.
Ok, the reason why I think NiGHTS will be controlled horizontally, is because also in the ONM (Official Nintendo Mag) There is a small piece saying Chandra (Editor) Just got back from Japan and had a test of a secret game that will blow your socks, shoes, and trouser legs off! It then shows him holding the Wii remote Horizontally. Ok, so its not a pic of him there actually testing the game, but it is a picture he has put with that little bit of info. Possibly more secret insight, as its in the same issue as the 'Next issue' NiGHTS star constilation, can you blame me?
I just put this together with the hype that the 'Next issue' page was getting and it seems to make sence. Also holding the Wiimote sideways bares more resemblance to the Saturn NiGHTS controls. Also in the pic Chandra is tilting the controller, you couldn't really do this holding it like a remote, I feel stunts that way (remote) would be a pain in the butt, and a strain on the wrist! Since NiGHTS is all about the stunts!
Imagine the possibilities, controlling NiGHTS the way it was on the Saturn. But with the added feature of tilt for stunts.
For anyone who hasn't played NiGHTS, there were times in the game when the camera suddenly switched behind NiGHTS or went above NiGHTS into a top down view in some stages. I think that using tilt would be a very interesting way to control moments like these.
The more I think about it, the original NiGHTS could have made great use of tilt and motions sensing. Like steering NiGHTS as the camera follows NiGHTS in his sled formation in the 'Frozen Bell' stage.
I could go on. But I just feel from putting my own little ONM theory together there on the controls, there are infinite possibilities on what the game and its mechanisms are capable of.
I should point out it helps if you've played NiGHTS to know what I'm talking about. I'm a huge NiGHTS fan so sorry if I rambled. And I know I said 'NiGHTS' alot but I didn't want to get into the whole gender debate!
Again, apologies if I had anyone beliving I worked for 'Sega', 'Sonic Team', or 'Prope' It was in no way an attempt to draw attention to myself. I just wanted to get my little theory out there since everyone was talking about the controls.
I think I might have to go set up my Saturn again pretty soon
Dan.
Post by: Adrock on March 19, 2007, 09:37:15 AM
See, theories are easy to make up. People like to throw around names like NiGHTS, but likely, it's either nothing, something stupid, or a game we know is coming like Super Mario Galaxy. Maybe they got to play it. Whatever. I hate when magazines do sh*t like that. What the hell is the point of hyping up news for 5 weeks in the future? Shut up. All anyone has to do is wait a few weeks, look at the cover and decide whether to buy it or better yet, loiter at Barnes & Noble and read it for free. If anyone is even lazier, they can wait 10 minutes after it reaches a newstand and read about it online.
Post by: Blue Plant on March 19, 2007, 10:05:09 AM
Post by: segagamer12 on March 19, 2007, 12:23:04 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 19, 2007, 12:30:24 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 19, 2007, 02:53:25 PM
'Twasn't perfect, but it's infinitely better than any of their recent offerings.
Post by: the1st_fret on March 20, 2007, 04:21:56 AM
Magazines do this next to every issue. Its no big deal. But it is quite a coincidence that the front cover of NiGHTS into dreams fits it so perfectly.
Something did just strike me however.... in ONM it does say
"Step back in time as a classic game makes a long overdue return"
I never though of it this way. But could this be the Graphical remake that Yuji Naka used to speak of. When asked about NiGHTS sequels he did used to say he'd never be able to improve on the game, or just didn't want to disturb the game with a sequel since it was such a masterpiece.
There's something to think about.
Yes, this game that we're talking about could be anything.... but since this is a NiGHTS topic, i'm sticking with NiGHTS
Dan.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2007, 05:34:22 AM
Post by: segagamer12 on March 20, 2007, 05:36:02 AM
Post by: the1st_fret on March 20, 2007, 07:20:05 AM
Again, no. Sorry, guys. I have no friends in the industry or at ONM. All i've said here lately are my own little theories. I really do wish I did though, that'd be so cool. Also, if I did have friends in places like SEGA etc, and I was revealing stuff early on the forums, I think i'd be in alot of trouble right now lol
It just so happens I'm a big NiGHTS fan so I guess that helps. And I'm a SEGA fan from when they were great back in the day. All the control speak so far about NiGHTS 2 has been wishful thinking lol
The Wii remote is a very versatile control unit. I can see NiGHTS 2 making great uses of it that no one would have ever imagined possible. That is, if this is NiGHTS 2 on the way. However, if NiGHTS on Wii is a remake, it could still make use of the Wiimote in new ways.
Also I'm very happy people have come with me on the Horizontal controls idea. I just think it'd make much more sence than using the remote/pointer style and I can't imagine that working in NiGHTS.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 22, 2007, 05:36:17 AM
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Originally posted by: the1st_fret
No, Yuji Naka and his new development team called "Prope" will be working on NiGHTS 2. It'll have nothing to do with Sonic Team
Yuji Naka begs to differ...
"At present, I have no such intentions.” - Yuji Naka
Of course, Naka could be lying for the sake of surprise, but sounds legit.
Post by: Crimm on March 22, 2007, 05:44:54 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
'Tis true. Sega does get more hate than it deserves 'round here.
Bull crap. It is impossible to hate them too much. After StH 360, and Shadow, I'm pretty sure acts of violence could be justified.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 22, 2007, 09:56:42 AM
Post by: the1st_fret on March 23, 2007, 01:59:11 AM
So I guess the only thing to discuss now is what to expect from NiGHTS 2? I mean we know its gonna be great, Naka's said all along it would take a very long time for him to make a seqel to such a great game so he could "Get it right" which is why we've only just heard of it. Who knows how long he's been working on NiGHTS 2. I doubt he's been doing nothing since he left Sonic team.
I wonder if NiGHTS 2 will make use of the clock settings like 'Christmas NiGHTS' did and I hope that NiGHTS 2 makes great use of Wiiconnect24.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2007, 07:18:31 AM
Smash, pap, goldenphoenix, pittboi, and myself will be in a pentagonal argument about the game's quality and control scheme.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 23, 2007, 07:38:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
"what to expect from NiGHTS 2?"
Smash, pap, goldenphoenix, pittboi, and myself will be in a pentagonal argument about the game's quality and control scheme.
Wow! That's accurate! Can't wait till it happens!
Post by: AwesomeMan on March 23, 2007, 08:58:49 AM
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Originally posted by: the1st_fret
I wonder if NiGHTS 2 will make use of the clock settings like 'Christmas NiGHTS' did
NiGHTS also used the system clock in what i think is the best use of an internal clock in a game, the clock when the view goes overhead(forgot the stage). It's been so long since i played it. If this turns out true i gotta inform my sis'
Post by: the1st_fret on March 23, 2007, 12:16:18 PM
On the subject of controls, I wouldn't be too worried. The controls in NiGHTS were very basic. It shouldn't be too much trouble putting them on Wii. Here's what I have in mind (Holding Wiimote Horizontally of course)
D-Pad: Same as Saturn, control NiGHTS direction and movement
1 or 2: Drill
Tilting the controller left would perform NiGHTS 'left trigger' stunt while tilting it right would perform NiGHTS 'right trigger' stunt. Again, just like on the saturn but instead of pressing a shoulder button you tilt the controller. You can also tilt the controller foreward and back, which would emulate another 2 stunt shoulder buttons which means twice as many stunts
A quick jolt with the controller could cause NiGHTS to stall. I never used that apart from when fighting Gillwing lol.
I just made these up in my head and with Saturn's NiGHTS in mind. I think i'll pick up a Wiimote and see what I come up with later.
Post by: Innotech on March 23, 2007, 12:59:29 PM
http://www.nightsintodreams.com
Trippy has always been a huge nights fan and has kept her almost frighteningly complete fandom up until this point. she has taken care not to incite rumors and has pointed out hoaxes (like she pointed out the Xbox360 Nights 2 hoax) and false reports. But now she is confirming that there is definitely a Nights 2 in progress. She has the largest Nights into Dreams fansite on the net, and a crazy amount of information on the original game. Im inclined to believe her. On top of all the rumors and hearsay, it makes her news post all that more believable.
Post by: AwesomeMan on March 23, 2007, 01:15:51 PM
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Originally posted by: the1st_fret
D-Pad: Same as Saturn, control NiGHTS direction and movement
i would much prefer if the analogue was used for control of NiGHTS. the tilting for stunts sounds like it could be good, but the wiimote and nunchuck could both detect tilt so why not use that combo.
Post by: the1st_fret on March 24, 2007, 03:11:29 AM
C and Z for stunts. Nunstick for NiGHTS movement, and A button for drill. B could also be a stunt button.
This wouldn't be great use of the Wiimote but who said that every game has to use motion sensing? If NiGHTS 2 were to play the same as the Saturn, this is the way i'd want to play it.
Something I was going to bring up on the forum was how I wish developers didn't feel like they had to make use of the motion sensing in every game when a button press would have done. Especially when they've programmed the game to lack responce to the Wiimote or it just doesn't feel right at all. Like in Red Steel, the Grenade throw. If I did an overarm thrown, my character would either do an underarm, or just not throw it. In fact, just about every gesture in that game failed.
More games like Excite Truck please, where the motion sensing 'works' and you don't have to move around too much. Or if you do, at least you know it's gonna pick it up.
I'm sure NiGHTS 2 will use motion sensing, but i'm baffled on how it will.
Any ideas on how to do stunts with motions sensing if you were using the Nunchuck too?
Post by: Ceric on March 24, 2007, 04:23:16 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 24, 2007, 04:39:11 AM
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Post by: the1st_fret on March 24, 2007, 09:46:14 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2007, 05:27:28 AM
nothing more to say, that is all. carry on.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 27, 2007, 05:31:28 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 27, 2007, 05:36:25 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 27, 2007, 05:36:48 AM
And I say that's a prank.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2007, 05:38:48 AM
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That's not German. .se is Sweden.
Whatever... foreign gaming magazine 'Game Reactor'
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2007, 05:38:49 AM
European gaming magazine then?
I can't be bothered to dissect Europe into different little sections, so I'll just group them all up into one.
Post by: Ceric on March 27, 2007, 05:42:25 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 27, 2007, 06:03:24 AM
Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2007, 06:22:41 AM
I'm curious as to why that cover doesn't specify a platform. If true, this might not even be Nintendo related at all (though chances are it would be).
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2007, 06:28:00 AM
Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2007, 06:34:34 AM
Look, I admit that the chances of the game (if this is real) being for Wii are higher than they are for competing platforms, but I won't celebrate until there's some concrete info. A picture of Nights playing an imaginary flute on the cover of a magazine that's printed in a language I don't speak or even vaguely understand doesn't actually mean anything to me. When I know the gaming is coming, I'll be the first to say, "Oooh, NiGHTS."
Post by: ShyGuy on March 27, 2007, 06:36:05 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2007, 06:51:52 AM
And now 2 other magazines are trying to cover the same story(one of them also being a Nintendo mag. - Ngamer), so I doubt they are all trying to pull off the same AF joke.
Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2007, 07:08:42 AM
And aren't ONM and Ngamer published under the same company?
I simply want to wait for some confirmation. These stupid little teasers mean nothing to me.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2007, 07:23:17 AM
Besides I posted a link to the Leon Kennedy thing earlier in this thread and was the one to tell everyone not to take ONM's hints as fact(don't want to see everyone possibly dissapointed later). But unless Game Reactor is also published by the same company, it would be a little wierd for 3 seperate magazines to have the same exclusive and one of them is willing to put it on the cover.
p.s. A subscriber to Game Reactor said that the magazine could arrive sometime this week, and he would confirm the cover wen it does. So I guess all we have to do it wait till then.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 27, 2007, 07:29:31 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 27, 2007, 07:35:27 AM
I believe this ended up being RE: Umbrella Chronicles news that they ended up not being able to print until everyone knew about it...
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"I've never played it and only seen it on video.....not impressed."
Oh brother... *rolls eyes*
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2007, 07:44:21 AM
I hear it just like the Wii, you have to play it to fully get it. I hear its fun, but the video looked quite boring. I would give it try, but as far as what I've seen on Youtube, I was not impressed.
No offense to anyone that enjoys the game, I just couldn't simply see whats so great about it without having ever played it. I'm not trying to put the game down in anyway, but I'm also not gonna hype a game that I don't really know anything about gameplay wise.
I'm all for Sega releasing this game as I know lots of you would LOVE to see a sequel or even a remake. The more games the better, especially when they are games that the gamers themselves are asking for. I don't feel I have to be a fan of this game to bring the rest of you info on it and hope that you all get what you want gaming wise from it.
But I have no idea why I'm getting defensive over this, as it doesn't really matter anyway.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2007, 09:20:52 AM
I knew posting crap about this would cause people to explode!
IMAGINE ALL THE AD REVENUE I'VE GENEREATED!!
"What do you guys think?"
this is the GoNintendo way
Post by: ShyGuy on March 27, 2007, 10:02:35 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 27, 2007, 10:42:28 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 27, 2007, 11:52:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
I'm curious as to why that cover doesn't specify a platform. If true, this might not even be Nintendo related at all (though chances are it would be).
Didn't you see the big 64 in the circle? This is totally an N64 exclusive. (It has to be true. You just read it on the Internet, didn't you?)
Post by: Artimus on March 27, 2007, 01:22:34 PM
Post by: the1st_fret on March 28, 2007, 07:34:51 AM
Back to the star cluster. Yeah alot of things do fit in there. But this is a 'Star' cluster. If it were to be Leon Kennedy of Resident Evil wouldn't it be a blood splatter or something? A star cluster is just totally fitting of NiGHTS.
NiGHTS pwns the stars and the night sky! lol.
This is a hard time for NiGHTS fans. But I'm just gonna say "to heck with it" and I'm putting all my belief in that this is a NiGHTS sequel. If i'm wrong, who cares? The sheer buzz on the internet is proof enough for me. This is huge.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 28, 2007, 07:50:31 AM
In Australia it'll be on DS.
Oh. yes. baby.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on March 28, 2007, 09:14:20 AM
That being said, of course it could end up being endlessly dissapointing, but at the same time, the mechanics and gameplay of the first one were really enjoyable. As long as they remember why the first one is thought of so fondly this sequel should be a good game.
And if it's a remake and it end up sucking, then there is no hope left for SEGA.
Post by: Shift Key on March 28, 2007, 10:44:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
NuGHTS is a PS3 exclusive in all territories but Australia.
In Australia it'll be on DS.
Oh. yes. baby.
About time the rest of the world gets the shaft instead of Australia.
Post by: the1st_fret on March 29, 2007, 03:42:47 AM
I was sure Prope would make this. Would be a great debut for Naka and Prope. But whenever I search Naka and his new studio the first thing I see is him denying NiGHTS 2.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2007, 04:31:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Shift Key
About time the rest of the world gets the shaft instead of Australia.
I need someone to sign for this: got a fresh shipment of criminals for y'all.
Post by: Caliban on March 30, 2007, 05:12:55 AM
*There will be a 2 player mode
*Special online functions
*It's an exclusive to Wii
*The game will be officially anounced in beginning of April
*Nights is the primary character and he has a set of new abilities
*Other character details will be revealed in the coming months
That's pretty much the gist of it, it is a short interview afterall.
Post by: the1st_fret on March 30, 2007, 05:37:11 AM
Friday 13th of april is when its out.
Friday the 13th? oooh!
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 30, 2007, 05:42:15 AM
Post by: mantidor on March 30, 2007, 05:46:20 AM
Post by: Caterkiller on March 30, 2007, 05:48:13 AM
I never got to excited just in case, I mean I will never forget the MEGATON! But now, I am pleasantly surprised and can not wait.
YAHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! COWABUNGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope the character's model looks as good as those fish by the time the game comes out.
This is just the beginning my friends! I think its a safe bet that more and more companies will want to reinvent their franchises for the Wii, especialy if this turns out well and brings in alot of money.
I wonder if this was one of the games Matt bloged about? Though he did say something along the lines of us not even having the slightest idea about what ever was on his mind. And we've been hearing rumors about this befor E3.
Post by: capamerica on March 30, 2007, 05:49:13 AM
Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 06:08:03 AM
Well, this is pretty interesting news. I won't really make waves unless you owned a Saturn back in the day, but I'll still look out for it because part of me is sure Sega won't screw up the long-awaited comeback sequel of a game many of their fans hold dear.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2007, 06:33:33 AM
period.
It's just another franchise for Sega to ruin. NuGHTS and the Secret 3-Ring Sircus
"part of me is sure Sega won't screw up the long-awaited comeback sequel of a game many of their fans hold dear"
There aren't many of them, so that idea falls apart.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2007, 07:26:19 AM
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Sega reveals finally the first images of NiGHTS Wii envisaged exclusively on Wii in the Portuguese magazine Maxi Comforted. This new opus of the series seems to preserve the same graphic style that the original play, one notes the graphics very coloured with many effects. Playable to 2 players, NiGHTS Wii was to propose an on-line mode, new characters, and new movements with Wiimote. The official advertisement of Sega should take place at the beginning of April, we will thus have right to more details on this play in a few days.
(Source: Maximum Comforted)
un-translated <--loads quicker
Pics and averything at the links. enjoy.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 07:32:36 AM
Just checked out some scans of the mag...and all I have to say is I hope those environments are huge a hell and that the framerate never once dips below 60fps, because those graphics look Dreamcast at BEST.
Come on now, I know graphics don't make a game fun, but this is ridiculous. This game better be REALLY freaking fun.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2007, 07:49:22 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 30, 2007, 08:08:04 AM
Post by: Deguello on March 30, 2007, 08:16:13 AM
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Erm....yeah...
Just checked out some scans of the mag...and all I have to say is I hope those environments are huge a hell and that the framerate never once dips below 60fps, because those graphics look Dreamcast at BEST.
Come on now, I know graphics don't make a game fun, but this is ridiculous. This game better be REALLY freaking fun.
Pittbboi, you are blind.
This is Shenmue II. The best looking Dreamcast game. Nights destroys it and then some. You cannot argue this. Be prepared for consequences.
Post by: the1st_fret on March 30, 2007, 08:22:12 AM
Post by: Strell on March 30, 2007, 08:24:56 AM
Cuz I'm sure there's a market for it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2007, 08:27:01 AM
People should be required to take a state licensing exam before making "dreamcast" comparisons.
Post by: Deguello on March 30, 2007, 08:29:09 AM
Unless he's here to troll. In which case, that situation can be remedied as well.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 30, 2007, 08:43:22 AM
Pit goes back and forth. Sometimes he's enthusiastic or willing to listen to reason and other times he's that old guy in a black robe standing on a New York street corner, shouting, "THE END!!!! IT'S THE END!!!!"
My guess is it's a mood thing.
Post by: ShyGuy on March 30, 2007, 08:49:01 AM
That's an Escape from Bug Island screen! LOLRZO!@!!1!!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2007, 08:50:04 AM
Post by: mantidor on March 30, 2007, 08:54:34 AM
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Originally posted by: the1st_fret
Mantidor, NiGHTS is Genderless :P
Yeah, I just noticed. I've never played the game, but apparently is my personal dream game I've talked about in some occasions, a game with flying mechanics. I'm very interested of course, and it doesn't look bad, but I hope it looks better in motion.
Post by: the1st_fret on March 30, 2007, 08:57:23 AM
Post by: mantidor on March 30, 2007, 09:05:20 AM
now I'm cautionary interested, its not exactly my dream game anymore.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 30, 2007, 09:10:07 AM
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It's weird.
Pit goes back and forth. Sometimes he's enthusiastic or willing to listen to reason and other times he's that old guy in a black robe standing on a New York street corner, shouting, "THE END!!!! IT'S THE END!!!!"
My guess is it's a mood thing.
Pittboi must really be a Pittgirl....
*Let the claims of pap64 being sexist begin!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2007, 09:11:42 AM
Post by: AwesomeMan on March 30, 2007, 09:33:21 AM
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Well I just found out its on rails
Its not really on rails, its 2d flying awesome, awesome 2d flying. somewhat like the swimming in ecco.
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 09:39:50 AM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: couchmonkey on March 30, 2007, 09:43:26 AM
Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 10:42:51 AM
People...people...
And Dequello...ok, I'll bite:
Soul Calibur, Dreamcast launch title:
Soul Calibur again:
PowerStone, another Dreamcast launch title:
NIGHTS may look slightly better than these titles, but so far it doesn't seem to look outrageously better. Sorry I seem to piss everybody off, but I AM--as I said--holding out hope that Sega won't totally screw this game up. But so far I'm not impressed with the graphics, and I'm entitled to that opinion. Geez...
Post by: ThePerm on March 30, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 10:59:44 AM
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Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 11:11:01 AM
As I said in the post that seemed to set people into flame mode--those visuals will be somewhat understandable if the levels in the game are absolutely MASSIVE. But, just looking at the screens (which is all anyone can do), I'm just not really impressed. Wii games can definitely..definitely look better than that.
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 11:15:30 AM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2007, 11:17:26 AM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
http://www.jeux-france.com/news19769_nights-wii-premieres-images.html
I already posted the link, along with the translation
look back about 2 pages
Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 11:25:03 AM
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I agree that I'm not blown away at all by the graphics. I think that they can definitely do better
And that's all I freakin' said. People need to calm the F down and stop acting like I killed their favorite pet or something.
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But personally, and I'm speaking for myself instead of the whole market, I don't judge a book by its cover.
I don't really, either. I mean, anyone who has followed my posts knows that my most anticipated Wii game is No More Heroes. I'm beyond excited for that game; and yet, I'll be the first to say that, graphically, it doesn't look all that hot.
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 11:32:03 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2007, 01:01:24 PM
*Power Stone* AHHHHHH
Due to the fact that a console has to worry about an extremely limited number of visible characters, an typically confined stage, and little to no background activity/interactivity, fighting games are poor examples of visual/computational prowess.
So we can toss those two aside.
Action-adventures in 3D worlds with the likes of Shenmue and Sonic Adventure are far more applicable and telling.
Having seen Shenmue II chug along on DC, "no way" could Wii/NuGHTS run on DC at a reasonable level of performance (or not at all depending on certain features).
No one's attacking anybody for "not being impressed," but we are pointing out a poorly made technical comparison.
All DC games after Soul Calibur don't look nearly as good (DOA3 and Xbox present an analogous situation). Apparently glitzy fighting games cloud people's memories.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
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Due to the fact that a console has to worry about an extremely limited number of visible characters, an typically confined stage, and little to no background activity/interactivity, fighting games are poor examples of visual/computational prowess
Ummm...I'll give you Soul Calibur (though some of the levels were very large in scale, just like those Nights screens), but did you play Power Stone? Power Stone2? Those games were insanely busy and interactive, and looked pretty good (please make a third, Capcom). So I'd say that comparison still stands.
And, to pull up an Action-Adventure example: Sonic Adventure 2.
And still...even if my comparison is completely off base and NOTHING about Wii Nights could have been done on the Dreamcast, based purely on those screens I still don't think it looks comparable to even a 'Cube launch title. My overall point still stands: the Wii is capable of much, much more than this. So I'm not impressed.
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No one's attacking anybody for "not being impressed," but we are pointing out a poorly made technical comparison.
Um, yeah....are you sure you're reading the same thing I was? I can see several posts blasting me for saying the game doesn't look good. The first one, actually.
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 02:02:19 PM
But since you've just incentivized me to go back and look at that wonderful little happenstance... could you explain this quote?
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Come on now, I know graphics don't make a game fun, but this is ridiculous. This game better be REALLY freaking fun.
Are you suggesting a relationship between graphics and fun and how they add up to a game's worth? As in, a game with poor graphics but TONS of fun is worth a game with little fun but very nice graphics?
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Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 02:31:11 PM
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Are you suggesting a relationship between graphics and fun and how they add up to a game's worth? As in, a game with poor graphics but TONS of fun is worth a game with little fun but very nice graphics?
Not at all. That statement was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. So may people are willing to write off a poor graphical presentation with statements like "Well, the game LOOKS fun, and that's ALL that matters!" And to a certain extent I believe that's true, fun should be the primary concern. But I feel lately the "games need to be fun! graphics don't matter!" movement has gotten so extreme within the Nintendosphere that I wouldn't be surprised if certain developers got the impression that they didn't have to try when it came to graphical presentation, because Nintendo gamers claim to not care about it. And that all they have to say is "Well, we're focusing on the fun aspect" when that may not exactly be true (as certain have already proved). What I said was a play off of that (i.e. obviously they're not focusing on graphics so this game better be chock full of amazingly fun gameplay). It was a joke.
But on the topic of what you said and how they relate to my personal beliefs...yes, I think there is a certain relationship between graphics and fun and how they add to a game's worth. A fun game with great graphics is always better than a fun game with poor graphics. And though I'm not the type, I definitely know people who will suffer through a game that's not necessarily all that fun simply because it's absolute eye candy.
Post by: Adrock on March 30, 2007, 04:18:17 PM
The character, Nights, is supposed to be androgynous, but I just referred to Nights as a she because she looks more feminine.
The graphics aren't mind-blowing (beyond anything Dreamcast could pull off, so I disagree with Pittiboi there). They could stand to be better, but I think they get the job done.
Also, I always wanted Nights to be in Smash, but figured the character was too cult to be included. Now that she's in a new game, maybe Nintendo will consider her. Sonic is a shoe-in, but if another Sega character appears, I'd want Nights.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 30, 2007, 04:23:40 PM
I'm going to guess that this is the case because this is a VERY early build of the game, but I see where Pit is coming from now that I look.
The resolution is hard to gauge due to it being a scan, but you shouldn't be able to so easily see the polygons in the star character.
Like I said, I'd be surprised if this was the final model, though.
Post by: Adrock on March 30, 2007, 04:29:05 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 30, 2007, 04:55:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Erm....yeah...
Just checked out some scans of the mag...and all I have to say is I hope those environments are huge a hell and that the framerate never once dips below 60fps, because those graphics look Dreamcast at BEST.
Come on now, I know graphics don't make a game fun, but this is ridiculous. This game better be REALLY freaking fun.
Ahahahahaha oh dear. Why do you care if it'll be fun? I'm fairly certain you don't even actually play video games. Because you obviously haven't touched a Dreamcast.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 30, 2007, 05:42:59 PM
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Looking at some of the pictures, NiGHTS' hand looks very polygonal.
I'm going to guess that this is the case because this is a VERY early build of the game, but I see where Pit is coming from now that I look.
The resolution is hard to gauge due to it being a scan, but you shouldn't be able to so easily see the polygons in the star character.
Like I said, I'd be surprised if this was the final model, though.
No you don't ...NO YOU DON'T!
All kidding aside, it ain't that bad. I agree that some parts of the Nights model look off, but everything else looks really good so far. Like its been stated before, its hard to tell due to the quality of the scans.
The real test should be when hi-res screens are released as well as how the game looks in motion.
After all, I do remember one screenshot of Mario Galaxy that looked somewhat off when the game was announced last year and look at how far it has come. Unless the game is rushed so that the game gets released before the end of the year, Nights Wii should be a pretty game, akin to Secret rings.
Post by: Djunknown on March 30, 2007, 05:52:45 PM
I've tried reading the scans; I claim no fluency whatsoever in Portuguese, but since its remarkably similiar to Spanish, here's what I gleaned:
1st page:
Brief history of Nights, as mentioned before, Sega will make an official announcement in April. New acrobatic moves with the Wiimote, impressive bosses and enemies. They mention something about the recent success Sonic Team had (the Wii version.) The magazine gets their hopes up for Shenmue 3 and Burning Rangers.
2nd page:
Interview
Takeshi Lizuka(sp?) fields questions. He was a programmer of 32 bits, his recent work was director of Sonic Heroes. He was a programmer on the original NiGHTS into Dreams.
Q:What new acrobatics is this charasmatic character capable of?
A:Considerable new moves that are easy to do with the Wii. Loops...(some other things I can't understand) but I'm leaving the rest as a surprise.
Q:In what way does this Nintendo platform attract you?
A:Particulary enthused to see all this hi-tech, and finally as a programmer, make games that I couldn't make years before
Q: We confess with this simple character. Are you able to keep the same attactive... with the public after all these years?
A:We hope people will like NightS as much as the original... we're confident with the innovations we introduce, and attract new players who don't know this character.
Q:What can we hope for in modes of play?
A: We have a 1 player mode... 2 players, and some online functions.
Q:Will you bring NiGHTS to other platforms?
A: For now, this new NiGHTS is exclusively for Wii.
Q: What other classic franchises...Sonic Team...would you like to give new life?
A:...(can't make any tangible phrases for this...)
3rd Page:
Its actually the first page of the interview. Go figure...
Q: How did the idea of putting NiGHTS on the new Nintendo console get suggested?
A: I was waiting for the perfect time to make this title. And this game was ideal to try out the potential of the controls on Wii.
Q: Are we embarking on new dreams (and nightmares) of Claire and Elliot, or new humans and dreams that we can visit?
A: (The answer is cut off, but the gist is that the story is under wraps for now.)
3rd question is cut off.
There you have it. Anyone that knows Portuguese care to have a go with it?
Post by: Mario on March 30, 2007, 05:59:00 PM
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Q: How did the idea of putting NiGHTS on the new Nintendo console get suggested?
A: I was waiting for the perfect time to make this title. And this game was ideal to try out the potential of the controls on Wii.
I'm hoping more developers actually adopt this attitude, of actually trying to realise the ideas they have and making them into an actual Wii game.
Post by: ThePerm on March 30, 2007, 06:01:59 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 30, 2007, 07:08:15 PM
Yes, I'll likely pick this one up, or at least give it a rent.
Post by: AwesomeMan on March 30, 2007, 07:13:36 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on March 30, 2007, 07:16:37 PM
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Now you're just being unreasonable
Post by: AwesomeMan on March 30, 2007, 07:22:58 PM
Post by: Arbok on March 30, 2007, 07:29:41 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
the character model looks straight outta the Saturn version.
I agree. The graphics around the character look quite nice, but, as Smash_Brother mentioned, the hands just don't look right and I personally can't get over the way the eyes and mouth look in the screens.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 30, 2007, 07:32:37 PM
They needed to get NIGHTS in there somehow and they probably just upgraded the texture from the Saturn version.
If this were 4-5 months from release than these shots would be unacceptable but I consider this more concept than anything.
Post by: Adrock on March 30, 2007, 07:54:20 PM
I never owned a Saturn or the original, but I played and enjoyed it. Now that I know this is the real deal, I'm genuinely looking forward to it. Man, I hope they include the original Saturn version. That would be choice, yo.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 09:47:40 PM
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Ahahahahaha oh dear. Why do you care if it'll be fun? I'm fairly certain you don't even actually play video games. Because you obviously haven't touched a Dreamcast.
Oh, haha--that was smart...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 30, 2007, 10:17:46 PM
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Originally posted by: PittbboiQuote
Ahahahahaha oh dear. Why do you care if it'll be fun? I'm fairly certain you don't even actually play video games. Because you obviously haven't touched a Dreamcast.
Oh, haha--that was smart...
Be nice.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 10:25:49 PM
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Be nice.
Wait, I get flamed for almost 2 pages for one stinking comment. I respond to the most asinine one, and I get told to be nice???
Just can't get by sometimes...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 30, 2007, 10:31:13 PM
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Originally posted by: PittbboiQuote
Be nice.
Wait, I get flamed for almost 2 pages for one stinking comment. I respond to the most asinine one, and I get told to be nice???
Just can't get by sometimes...
Ok everyone should be nice, including you. Is that better?
BTW I agree, the game looks pretty poor visually (the model is almost disgusting), then again it could be early stage. Taking into account, Sega's current track record I can completely understand why Pittbboi is pessimistic about the visual, maybe even to the point of being too harsh, because with Sega, ugly visuals could definately signal a poor or even lazy product.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 30, 2007, 10:37:35 PM
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BTW I agree
Golden agrees with me?
I'm...disturbed by the frequency in which that is beginning to happen. lol
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 30, 2007, 10:46:52 PM
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Originally posted by: PittbboiQuote
BTW I agree
Golden agrees with me?
I'm...disturbed by the frequency in which that is beginning to happen. lol
Hey when you are always consistent about being negative about everything, I'm bound to agree with you every once in awhile.
Post by: the1st_fret on March 31, 2007, 01:33:15 AM
I was actually pretty bummed out about Red Steel when I got it, the magazines made it look gorgeous but it looked pretty scrappy and had a dodgy frame rate when I got my hands on it.
Lets not forget we don't know how early NiGHTS 2 is in development so it could even look much better than it does already. And when we see it in motion is when we'll really know, with the little stars comin out of NiGHTS' fingers :p
if you ask me, NiGHTS on Saturn is Graphically flawless. Its just the style.
The producer of Secret rings 'Yojiro Ogawa' did bring up a good point in ONM. Here's the quote:
"If a deigner has 256 coloured pencils and another only has 16, depending on the way the designers use the colours, what will come out can be very different. Even though someone may only have 16 colours, what they can create can be very impressive"
Good point, its how well its made artistically and the 'effort' put into it of course rather than the power under the bonnet. I personally think Shenmue 1 is the best looking game of all time. Wise words, Mr. Ogawa, shame you can't make a decent game to save your life! :P
Post by: King of Twitch on April 01, 2007, 12:55:34 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 01, 2007, 06:52:32 PM
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Hey SUPER, we could use some translation over here. I tried the automated stuff but it didn't make a whole lot of sense out of the Japanese. Not enought sense to quote anyway.
Post by: Blue Plant on April 01, 2007, 07:34:09 PM
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Sega, fan long-awaited "NiGHTS (??????)" the up-to-date work more and more sale decision! As a WiiTM corresponding software, this winter sale
As for corporation Sega, as a WiiTM corresponding software "NiGHTS: JOURNEY OF DREAMS (?? subject undecided)", it decided that this winter it sells.
Winter, yay. :3
Post by: IceCold on April 01, 2007, 09:04:21 PM
Amaazing Graace This isn't pneumonia. Can't even see where the knob is!And scene.
Post by: Kairon on April 01, 2007, 10:09:45 PM
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Post by: the1st_fret on April 02, 2007, 04:07:50 AM
Shame we have to wait so long for alot of these titles that were supposed to be out last month :S
But i'm glad they're panning the games out. Means its doing well with the games it has available. And they aren't just gonna go and blow all their best titles in the first few months. Dreamcast mistake.
Back to NiGHTS. I'm very sad to hear that development has moved from Prope to Sonic Team U.S, what happened there?
That's really shaken my confidence in us getting a good NiGHTS game now. And when are Prope going to start making games anyway?
I'd really like to know the story behind why development shifted. It doesn't make any sence. I know how much Naka cared about NiGHTS. So much in fact that he didnt want to harm the game's reputation by making a sequel. And when he's finally ready to make a sequel (and what could be a perfect game with the technology available) He just hands it over to Sonic Team?
Thoughts?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2007, 06:12:56 AM
I don't remember hearing about Sonic Team having anything to do with NiGHTS.
Somebody got a link or quote? I don't feel like searching for it.
Post by: the1st_fret on April 02, 2007, 07:44:22 AM
http://news.spong.com/article/12166?cb=86
When i'm in a positive mood I like to think that Prope started development and have done most of the work, and have handed it to Sonic team to finish up on the artsy stuff maybe. I dunno, heck, as long as Sonic team stay the hell away from the Mechanics of the gameplay.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2007, 08:25:17 AM
Oh, and a late April Fools pic
Post by: IceCold on April 02, 2007, 08:36:51 AM
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2007, 08:37:43 AM
Seriously, you're going to have to do better than Spong.
Also, that pic of Nights is hilarious.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2007, 08:50:23 AM
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NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams official press release
SAN FRANCISCO & LONDON (April 2, 2007) – SEGA® of America, Inc. and SEGA® Europe Ltd. today announced NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams™, the long awaited sequel to the critically acclaimed NiGHTS franchise that gave gamers the freedom to fly in a world of dreams and imagination. NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams is being developed for Nintendo’s Wii™ video game console and is scheduled to be released in Fall 2007.
“We plan to deliver a gameplay experience never before seen on the Wii with NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams,” said Scott A. Steinberg, Vice President of Marketing, SEGA of America, Inc. “The game takes full advantage of the unique Wii Remote controller enabling gamers to guide NiGHTS through spectacularly designed dream worlds intertwined with a story about hope and courage.”
As a fantasy jester called NiGHTS, players will fly through Nightopia, a rich and vibrant world where dreams come to life. With the innovative Wii Remote, gamers will experience a heightened sense of gliding, spiraling, and looping through seven mystical dream worlds packed with high-flying adventure. Players must find inventive ways to confront the “Nightmarens” from the neighboring dark world of Nightmare using amazing acrobatic skills, freedom of flight, and other special abilities to protect Nightopia. NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams is an adventure filled with courage, hope and inspiration that the whole family will enjoy this holiday season.
source - GoNintendo
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2007, 11:10:02 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 02, 2007, 12:04:59 PM
That's like being asked if you want your left or right eye ripped out. Either choice is going to suck for you and be very painful.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 02, 2007, 12:25:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Apparently, it's being developed by Sega Studios USA and directed by Takashi Iizuka. He's worked on Sonic Adventure 1 and 2......... and Shadow the Hedgehog. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but there's no way I'm going to spend $50 on NiGHTS: Journey into Dreams without renting it first.
You miss the important part: the fact that he was the project lead for the original NiGHTS...
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Post by: Bill Aurion on April 03, 2007, 12:49:05 PM
~ Ability to wear masks for new abilities (Dragon, Dolphin, Rocket masks, etc...)
~ WiiConnect24 used to trade items and change the weather in the game to that in your area...
Fantastic stuff... ^_^
Source
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 04, 2007, 03:48:25 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on April 04, 2007, 04:55:04 AM
IN YO FACE MICROSUX! GO PLAY YOUR PINATA FOR "NON-MATCH00R" GAMING!1
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Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 05:55:24 AM
Moving it to Wii was the smartest thing they EVER did. I see the franchise being resurrected by the power of the Wii, personally.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 04, 2007, 06:19:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
NIGHTS would have bombed like ass on the 360 because it's the WRONG DEMOGRAPHIC and Sega would have concluded that the franchise is dead and no one wants it, just like poor Toejam and Earl.
Moving it to Wii was the smartest thing they EVER did. I see the franchise being resurrected by the power of the Wii, personally.
Don't forget Jet Set Radio.
The way Sega talks about it, though...or at least the designers...it's like they didn't want to do a sequel until they could do something new. Which is a choice I totally respect, though it doesn't make the most business sense.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2007, 06:27:24 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 08:39:10 AM
But yes, I can definitely see doing something new as being a driving factor. NiGHTS would have been crap on the 360 but with the Wii controls, it has a chance to be something new and innovative.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2007, 08:49:13 AM
Post by: Adrock on April 04, 2007, 09:20:58 AM
Also, including the original NiGHTS is kind of the obvious choice. As soon as the sequel was made official, I expected it. If it's not included, that's friggin' lame.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 12:32:12 PM
Not to mention the fact that Nintendo consoles have proven time and again that they are the ideal home of any mascot-like character, hence why TJ&E3 going to the xbox was such an utterly retarded idea. Had it gone to the GC, I'm sure we'd be seeing a Wii sequel in the works.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2007, 12:43:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Not to mention the fact that Nintendo consoles have proven time and again that they are the ideal home of any mascot-like character, hence why TJ&E3 going to the xbox was such an utterly retarded idea. Had it gone to the GC, I'm sure we'd be seeing a Wii sequel in the works.
And Crazy Taxi, and Shenmue, and Panzer Dragoon, and Jet Set Radio and other series that went to die on the XBOX.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 01:01:15 PM
That was the beginning of the end for Sega.
Post by: SixthAngel on April 04, 2007, 01:08:40 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 01:12:10 PM
That was a classic example of how moneyhats can destroy a company.
Imagine what would have happened if they had moneyhatted Sonic onto the xbox. The FPS/M-game crowd would have completely ignored his games and the franchise would probably be dead and gone now.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on April 04, 2007, 01:19:51 PM
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Not to mention the fact that Nintendo consoles have proven time and again that they are the ideal home of any mascot-like character, hence why TJ&E3 going to the xbox was such an utterly retarded idea. Had it gone to the GC, I'm sure we'd be seeing a Wii sequel in the works.
Thank goodness it went to Xbox then, because TJ&E III was horrible. The kind of horrible that makes you wish the series would never continue on from that point, because of the sheer amount of horrible. Like what Bubsy 3D did, or Earthworm Jim 3D. But I guess this is Sega, Sonic Adventure 2 sure as hell didn't stop them from going in dry over and over again despite the cries of pain from the fanbase.
Post by: Kairon on April 04, 2007, 02:22:24 PM
Please revive your franchises on the Wii: Panzer Dragoon, Space Channel 5, Seaman, and especially Jet Grind Radio.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: SixthAngel on April 04, 2007, 03:35:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Also, including the original NiGHTS is kind of the obvious choice. As soon as the sequel was made official, I expected it. If it's not included, that's friggin' lame.
Why? Was it lame when Zelda: tp didn't have Ocarina of Time and will it be lame when Mario Galaxy doesn't have Mario 64? No.
I am personally hoping for Saturn vc games. There are some very good emulators out now but unfortunately my computer doesn't run it at full speed all the time because it is old. Sega did buy the rights to one of the saturn emulators a while back for a digital download service. If they could get it to work on the Wii I would love it.
Jet Grind radio would be perfect. The pointer would make the painting aspect awesome and it would even let you create your own graffiti, maybe even use jpegs from an sd card or use the ds to make graffiti.
Post by: Nick DiMola on April 04, 2007, 03:46:37 PM
Post by: Kairon on April 04, 2007, 03:55:18 PM
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Post by: Adrock on April 04, 2007, 04:30:30 PM
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Smash_Brother wrote:
Nothing would have made it stand out on the 360 (except for the fact that it stars a jester-like character which would have turned off most of the 360 owners immediately). It would have just been using an analogue stick and thus would be similar to a number of other games (most of which also sold poorly).
Yeah, but that wouldn't make it a bad game. I like that Journey into Dreams is taking advantage of motion controls, but if it didn't, I think NiGHTS fans would still be happy getting a sequel and Nintendo fans would still be happy getting an exclusive for Wii.
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SixthAngel wrote:
Why? Was it lame when Zelda: tp didn't have Ocarina of Time and will it be lame when Mario Galaxy doesn't have Mario 64?
No.
Zelda and Mario aren't cult titles that are 11 years between releases so I don't think it's quite the same. Those are established franchises. They'll likely sell on their own merits. The same can't be said for something like NiGHTS.
Consider Dracula X Chronicles. It doesn't necessarily need Symphony of the Night and/or the original Rondo of Blood, but including them definitely makes the game more appealing. Some people might even buy it just for SotN. Whatever Sega can do to support Journey into Dreams, they should do. Even Nintendo had that Ocarina of Time pre-order bonus for Wind Waker which helped boost sales. I don't recall them doing that for many other games.
I'd appreciate the value of getting two games in one, but more importantly, including the original NiGHTS and advertising it as much could garner more interest in the title.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 04:37:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Yeah, but that wouldn't make it a bad game. I like that Journey into Dreams is taking advantage of motion controls, but if it didn't, I think NiGHTS fans would still be happy getting a sequel and Nintendo fans would still be happy getting an exclusive for Wii.
To be honest, I'd have to play the original to make a judgment call on this so I can't comment further.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2007, 04:53:57 PM
Post by: Adrock on April 04, 2007, 05:41:04 PM
And he also said:
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NiGHTS would have been crap on the 360 but with the Wii controls, it has a chance to be something new and innovative.
...suggesting that it would've been a bad game on 360 without even playing the original. I don't deny that it would have sold poorly on 360, but to say it would've been "crap" is a bit misguided. Motion controls don't necessarily make a game better (Twilight Princess is about the same on Gamecube albeit with easier aiming). They can, but a good game is a good game, traditional controls or otherwise. I'm not convince that a game can't be new and innovative without traditional controls.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2007, 05:55:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Do you always reiterate what Smash_Brother says? You're like his sidekick.:P
Its a curse I have to bear with till the end of my days. I wouldn't call it reiterate since that last post was informing EVERYONE, SB included, about the 3D control that came with the original game, saying that it could've worked on the 360 with joystick controls.
I agree with him in that the XBOX community would've ignored it in favor of other games, since that's exactly what happened on the original XBOX.
EDIT: Also, remember that they shoe horned the Wii controls onto the Wii version of TP. NiGHTS Wii, though, is going to be a new game created solely on the Wii. In other words, NiGHTS Wii isn't an already developed game with Waggle controls thrown it. The controls will be present since day one and will likely base new ideas around it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 05, 2007, 02:46:20 AM
But I also mean that, since the original boasted a new controller, I don't know if the sequel would have packed the same punch since it wouldn't be a new control scheme. However, until I play the original and gauge how much the game relied on the newness of the controller, then I can't really say anymore on it.
Post by: the1st_fret on April 06, 2007, 03:19:21 AM
Now Sega have a chance to kick ass again here (if they want it) they can bring back their best loved mascots onto Wii where they are most likely to be appreciated, instead of coming up with lame ideas to fit in with 360 markets that just turn out lame. SEGA sort of turned their backs on who they were after Dreamcast. Its like
"we were only making games for our own systems before, but now they're for other systems they can't be SEGA style?"
Everyone wanted Sega's titles after Dreamcast, coz Sega were good at making games, but they just went really conventional to suit the systems reputations, rather than making the sort of games they were good at.
I think SEGA should only make games for Nintendo, they'd make way more money that way, they can go back to making good games and Nintendo get the awesome exclusives.
Post by: cubist on April 06, 2007, 06:32:56 AM
The forecast channel will be used!!!
Are you kidding me!?!
If SEGA and Sonic Team can use the Forecast Channel to change the environments in Nights...we can begin to imagine the possibility of the Everybody Votes Channel.
Once again...FORECAST CHANNEL!!! Who would've thought?!?
Post by: the1st_fret on April 06, 2007, 07:30:59 AM
Funnily enough, on April fools day you could play as Reala
(in christmas NiGHTs that is)I'll be very glad if they do make use of the weather channel. The weather in Xmas NiGHTs operated on the clock, Spring/Summer the weather was just like NiD, but around November the game switched to 'Winter NiGHTs' The stage became snowy, and when December hit, the stage was full of Christmas decorations
Why bother watching the news for the weather when you could just play NiGHTS 2
Because if you're playing NiGHTS 2 you'll be too busy to look out of the window!I'd like to see just as much use of the clock as in NiGHTS 2. What about unlockable presents too again like in NiGHTS.
NiGHTS was an awesome game but xmas NiGHTS was so much better for interaction and making use of the Saturn's features.
I want to see more games use Wiiconnect24, not just NiGHTS. You come back to your Wii to find NiGHTS has picked up a new stunt or extra/alternate Mare routes.
Post by: vudu on April 06, 2007, 07:37:01 AM
QuoteQuote of the year.
Originally posted by: the1st_fret
What? So Spong isn't a reliable source? Ok didn't know they had a rep or anything.
Post by: the1st_fret on April 06, 2007, 07:49:17 AM
Post by: vudu on April 06, 2007, 08:05:12 AM
QuoteView this thread for further reading.
Originally posted by: the1st_fret
Seriously, I didn't know Spong had a bad rep.
Post by: Ceric on April 06, 2007, 08:36:04 AM
Post by: the1st_fret on April 07, 2007, 10:40:54 PM
I think the 2 player mode in NiGHTS was... ok, but I never played it, even when I had people to play it with we just stuck to taking turns on 1 player. I'd like to see more 2 player modes. And it would be even better if you could play 2 player online. Even if it was the same Paraloop battle, it would be good if other players could spectate matches and get in line to play with winner. Like in Tournaments in Quake III.
How about if NiGHTS were to make use of the Clock like in the Saturn version, the game could transcend from day to NiGHT, following your clock settings.
Can't wait til friday when the next ONM is out.
EDIT: Just got the new ONM today. I was quite disappointed with the NiGHTS coverage. In fact there's more info available on the internet. So much for their 'World Exclusive'
The one bit of new info they did have is that there will be 2 control methods. One where you can use the Nunchuck to simulate the classic controls of the Saturn, or with the Wiimote alone for a full flying experience.
Just letting you know.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 24, 2007, 02:12:04 PM
Now that we have clear, OFFICIAL shots of the game, does the game suck graphically or what?
In my opinion, they definitely look better than the magazine scans, but the Nights model is not perfect. I spotted some jaggies here and there.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on April 24, 2007, 08:04:40 PM
I thought we were way past that by now. I mean c'mon.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 24, 2007, 08:34:30 PM
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2007, 03:03:04 AM
I would like to see some sharping of the graphics. Dynamic eye movement when NiGHT is flying towards you and you see the front of him, mainly because its such a dominating feature.
Post by: Pittbboi on April 25, 2007, 04:17:59 AM
On the plus side the environments look huge, so that could make up for it. But I think it's fairly obvious at this point that the game isn't going to showcase the Wii, graphically. I still hold out for gameplay, though. I never played the original NiGHTS, but the youtube videos I watched seemed pretty interesting.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 25, 2007, 05:35:01 AM
How come Mario Galaxy looks so much better? I think the secret is that Mario Galaxy uses outer space to...er...space everything out, so you don't have as many long-distance details to try to display. Pure speculation, though.
Post by: Deguello on April 25, 2007, 06:58:10 AM
I think we are all still stuck in this screenshot = graphics mindset that I'll admit is hard to break out of, especially on the internet and double especially in this so-called HD-era. The game hasn't been seen in motion, which is far more important. (especially if it is running at 60fps, then the graphics would actually be quite impressive.) I learned this in the year 1997 when I saw screenshots of F-Zero X. I thought the game looked ugly as hell and was severely disappointed.
I mean COME ON. The game-pundits of the time went all over it, saying it looked worse than wipeout XL
and a clever one was actually able to use this as a reason to say the PS1 was more powerful than the N64 (You'd be surprised how often this gets said, even today. Market Leadership is the best steroid)
But then I saw it in video and was duly impressed by the 60 fps framerate. While not as detailed, getting it to run at 60 fps is no easy feat. In motion this game shat all over Wipeout, leaving a charred husk.
A more recent example would be Mario Hoops on the DS. The Screenshots were quite assy, but the final product is absolutely gorgeous (particularly the airship court), looking better than a great deal of PSP games, IMO.
And here is the crux of the matter. I just said IMO. Graphics are becoming ever more subjective to the end user, and you will never know exactly what everybody feels about graphics. I showed Nights, Dewy, and Gears of War to a buddy of mine here at college and asked him which one looked better. He said, in order, Dewy, Nights, and Gears of War. I didn't expect him to rank Gears of War last, so I asked him why. He told me he thought Nights and Dewy had more going on the screen and more colors. So then I asked "But how can you possibly think Nights looks better than Gears of War? Gears of War has X many polygons and effects and-" He interrupted me by saying "You didn't ask me which game had more effects. You asked me which one looks better."
Graphical advantage doesn't matter in the long run. You can throw any screenshot at me, proving the graphical superiority of X product, which means X product will beat Y Product, and I can dig up several N64 screens where 3-D was being pioneered vs. PS1 games that dared to be 2-D in a 3-D age. Or the N64-ish launch titles for the PS2. (Madden in particular) It just does not matter as much as it used to, and even THEN it didn't matter much.
P.S. Pittbboi, stop looking for a "showcase" for Wii. If you really want graphics that badly, the 360 is that way. Have fun. Seriously, you will only be disappointed, which is fine, I don't care, but then you spread out your grief to the forum, which I don't like very much at all. Let go of graphics. You will be a lot happier, but more importantly, I will be a lot happier.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 25, 2007, 07:09:15 AM
Post by: Pittbboi on April 25, 2007, 08:54:48 AM
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P.S. Pittbboi, stop looking for a "showcase" for Wii. If you really want graphics that badly, the 360 is that way. Have fun. Seriously, you will only be disappointed, which is fine, I don't care, but then you spread out your grief to the forum, which I don't like very much at all. Let go of graphics. You will be a lot happier, but more importantly, I will be a lot happier.
I'm beginning to think you have some sort of personal vendetta with me or something. You act as though I'm the only person to speak ill of the graphics in NiGHTS in light of these new screens. If you look, I'm but one of many comments on this page, and I'm definitely not the first.
And I really don't get your point. When I say NiGHTS doesn't look like it's going to graphically showcase the Wii, I'm not speaking about it lacking Xbox360/PS3 quality graphics. I'm merely saying that it doesn't look as though its going to "showcase" what we know the Wii can do. I don't care what the 360 is capable of, nor do I own one; I just want to see more games taking every advantage of the Wii, and not just its controls. Sonic and the Secret Rings was a great start and definitely "showcased" the Wii's potential graphically, so I'm not going to hide my disappointment with how NiGHTS looks (though I realize both games are coming from two different teams). Heck, I even complimented the game and said the environments look redeemingly huge and I'm definitely looking forward to the gameplay, so I wouldn't call it spreading my "grief", especially in a case where my grief is apparently shared. So I'll hang on to my Wii for the moment, thank you very much.
And--ironically--I agree with just about everything else you had to say in that post. Games do look different in motion, and if the environments in NiGHTS are huge, the game runs 60 fps, and the gameplay is spectacular I'll be more than forgiving of any graphical shortcomings. Screen shots don't reveal everything there is to know about a game, and based on them you shouldn't make any sweeping judgments. However, the screens shots are really all there is to discuss right now, and I was merely stating what impressions I got from them, which were specifically limited to graphics. I didn't use the screen shots to say the game would suck, just that it might not look very good...which is really all we can know at this point.
Post by: vudu on April 25, 2007, 09:39:31 AM
QuoteRemember, NiGHTS is still pretty early in development. Compare and contrast early Sonic screenshots with shots from the final version. It's a world of difference.
Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Sonic and the Secret Rings was a great start and definitely "showcased" the Wii's potential graphically, so I'm not going to hide my disappointment with how NiGHTS looks
There's still plenty of time to make graphical improvements. Look at these shots for art direction only--anything else probably isn't going to be representative of the final product.
Post by: Adrock on April 25, 2007, 10:45:27 AM
I'm in the middle of God of War II. The game is goddamn gorgeous and not just for a PS2 game. That said, there's no reason games on Wii, a system like 3 times as powerful, should not look significantly better. Is it asking too much of developers to put more effort into their games? Although I still believe that Wii should have been a more powerful system, it is more than capable of delivering nice looking games. I think it's more than fair to expect developers to take advantage of all the Wii has to offer, which includes more powerful hardware than last generation.
No, graphics aren't everything, but they're still important. And while NiGHTS doesn't look terrible, it doesn't look like its pushing Wii very hard. Graphically, it looks like it could be done on Gamecube pretty easily.
Post by: Kairon on April 25, 2007, 11:35:35 AM
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Post by: couchmonkey on April 25, 2007, 11:53:27 AM
The game does look unimpressive next to Rogue Leader. Factor 5 is really into optimizing, though. It will take a developer like Square or Capcom to really show off Wii - Sega has made a few beautiful games, but most of the time it aims for middle of the road.
So far I'd say that RE Umbrella Chronicles and Metroid Prime 3 are both looking like good "showcase" games for Wii, for what that's worth.
Post by: Kairon on April 25, 2007, 12:05:42 PM
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Post by: AwesomeMan on April 25, 2007, 12:16:45 PM
Post by: Deguello on April 25, 2007, 01:26:22 PM
Now I'm not about impugn you "Nintendo fandom" or whatever, and maybe you honestly do think they look like Dreamcast graphics, and when looking at these NiGHTS screens and then looking at your tiny Soul Calibur Screens, and then disregarding the different game types and hitting myself in the head with a brick, maybe they do look like Dreamcast graphics to the remaining blood vessels in my eye. But perhaps we should wait until we see more or maybe see the game in motion before we make bold claims like that. Just because it is all we have to discuss does not mean we have to make quick judgements about the end result.
And no I don't have a vendetta against you, but you do show up as a "person of interest" in the several PMs I get about trouble in the forums from your fellow forumers. Perhaps your issue is with them and not with me. Hopefully we can all get along from here, and I'll be pleased and my wrath will be stayed.
Post by: Kairon on April 25, 2007, 02:23:04 PM
And seriously, we're all human, we ALL make bad arguments or state unpopular things and defend them vigorously, but some people are just more natural lightning rods. People like Pittboi and IanSane make cogent and thought-out observations and arguments just like I expect any NWR forumgoer to do... they're just not as likely to be right! (&P)
To this day, I value IanSane's opinion HIGHLY and sometime's he's right on the money. I have the same opinion of Pittboi... and we should be careful of a mob mentality and a majority attacking a minority: groupthink is a dangerous trap.
That being said...
C'mon guys. I think the developers already stated that they're not at the point where they tighten up the graphics yet. It's almost as if they're prototyping a lot of stuff now before polishing it up.
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Post by: Smoke39 on April 25, 2007, 02:39:52 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 25, 2007, 03:19:03 PM
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I don't mean to drag this out or anything, but I have to say that I'm rather sick of people always giving Pit a hard time for no reason.
He finally got his big break when they put him in Brawl.
Wait, what?
Post by: Pittbboi on April 25, 2007, 03:36:40 PM
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It's just the way you post around here, Pittbboi. You sometimes come off as one of those guys that hang around GAF, and they make me sick. Also, there is a new breed of troll bouncing up on the internet. The definition is relatively new, but it's as old as the hills. They are called "concern trolls" typically because they employ their favorite word "concern" as a means to employ boneheaded statements You know like, "I am concerned that the Wii is getting nothing but party games." You've done similar things. And my guess was that you are one of those guys unhappy with Wii because of graphics, and thought you would be happier with a 360. 99% I'm right. 1% is when I guess Pittbboi was one. So sorry, but you definitely come off like that too occasionally.
1) I don't know what "GAF" is.
2) I've been trying to be positive (well, not trying, there just hasn't been very much negative for me to say for a while)!! Honestly, this is the first negative thing I've had to say about anything Wii related in weeks! Included the two threads I started in that time.
3) Honestly, am I unhappy with the Wii, graphically? I'm not going to lie, currently yes I am. But I'm not disappointed with the Wii's graphics as they stand against the 360 or PS3. If that were the case I wouldn't have gone through hell to get one. Yes, It's true, I'm a graphics whore, BUT I'm not a cross-platform one. I don't give a crap how pretty things look on the PS3 or 360 (though I most likely will end up buying one or the other for some of the games if they appeal to me strongly). I don't own those consoles; I made an informed decision to buy a Wii. Believe it or not, I'm a Nintendo fan first, a Wii owner second, a gameplay queen third, and a graphics whore fourth. And while graphics fall last for what's important to me in a game, they nevertheless are important to me and I personally can't wait for the day we start to see a higher frequency of beautiful "Wii games" released. I don't care if they don't look like Gears of War. Perception is all that matters. Even if the game doesn't compare visually to what is offered on other systems, if I know that the game is beautiful in its own style AND for what the Wii can do, I'll be just as satisfied.
Post by: Ceric on April 25, 2007, 03:41:26 PM
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Kairon: Your first point is very well made, but the second one not so much. There's no comparison between Nights and that GBA stuff.
The game does look unimpressive next to Rogue Leader. Factor 5 is really into optimizing, though. It will take a developer like Square or Capcom to really show off Wii - Sega has made a few beautiful games, but most of the time it aims for middle of the road.
So far I'd say that RE Umbrella Chronicles and Metroid Prime 3 are both looking like good "showcase" games for Wii, for what that's worth.
lol. Capcom. No offence I don't think of them as people who push the technology because they can. They push where they need to. Hence the Megaman Series and like.
Post by: Kairon on April 25, 2007, 06:31:39 PM
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1) I don't know what "GAF" is.
... GAF has its uses but... this is probably for the better.
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Post by: couchmonkey on April 26, 2007, 04:58:12 AM
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Kairon: Your first point is very well made, but the second one not so much. There's no comparison between Nights and that GBA stuff.
The game does look unimpressive next to Rogue Leader. Factor 5 is really into optimizing, though. It will take a developer like Square or Capcom to really show off Wii - Sega has made a few beautiful games, but most of the time it aims for middle of the road.
So far I'd say that RE Umbrella Chronicles and Metroid Prime 3 are both looking like good "showcase" games for Wii, for what that's worth.
lol. Capcom. No offence I don't think of them as people who push the technology because they can. They push where they need to. Hence the Megaman Series and like.
Capcom is guilty of laziness on it's million or so spinoffs and sequels, but as you say, it pushes when it needs to. Resident Evil 4, Lost Planet, Devil May Cry...the company does push the graphical limits on its big games.
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Kairon: Your first point is very well made, but the second one not so much. There's no comparison between Nights and that GBA stuff.
The game does look unimpressive next to Rogue Leader. Factor 5 is really into optimizing, though. It will take a developer like Square or Capcom to really show off Wii - Sega has made a few beautiful games, but most of the time it aims for middle of the road.
So far I'd say that RE Umbrella Chronicles and Metroid Prime 3 are both looking like good "showcase" games for Wii, for what that's worth.
lol. Capcom. No offence I don't think of them as people who push the technology because they can. They push where they need to. Hence the Megaman Series and like.
Capcom is guilty of laziness on it's million or so spinoffs and sequels, but as you say, it pushes when it needs to. Resident Evil 4, Lost Planet, Devil May Cry...the company does push the graphical limits on its big games.
Which makes them unreliable in that regards. Aren't they doing Treasure Island Z? Interesting game and like but the actual graphics look to push the Wii as much as a little bit updated Windwaker from what I've seen.
Post by: the1st_fret on April 26, 2007, 11:23:36 PM
I know there isn't much right now. But rumours are circulating that Reala is set for a return.
People are confused about the time dimension of the game. Wether its before or after the original.
I got the new issue of NGAMER and the coverage has given me some confidence in this game. Although still little has been released about Characters, plot etc.
But can we shut up about Graphics now? When did everyone become such Graphic Wh*res (thankyou sony) and why only so tough over this game?
Post by: couchmonkey on April 27, 2007, 05:49:16 AM
I don't know why this particular game incites the graphics debate, maybe just because it's a highly anticipated game. Personally I don't care about graphics, I think this game looks fine, I just got caught up in which developers I think are interested in pushing graphics or not.
Post by: the1st_fret on April 28, 2007, 05:28:05 AM
But... A few of the team members from the original NiGHTS are in the team. I know the original composer is back, as is the lead designer/developer of course.
