Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2007, 05:12:22 PM
Pokemon Online.org
Fanmade MMORPG using the GBA assets for pokemon? how legal is this? not to mention you could join in right now and play too. All you have to i sfollow the link above or just click >HERE<
It appears to be in its early stages but it could shape up should it be around long enough to do so.
Is this what you guys wanted? I hope Nintendo recognizes the want for something like this and get to developing it themselves.
Post by: Koekoenutt on March 02, 2007, 07:01:28 PM
I just hope that Nintendo does learn something from this though and work with more titles that are based on gameplay like this. It really couldn't hurt for Nintendo that much to try and experiment with different online games and styles. Can't say I'm interested in this Pokemon Online, simply because it's kind of underground and not made/published by Nintendo. If I hear good things about it though, I think I might try download it to try.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 02, 2007, 07:38:26 PM
Post by: Ceric on March 03, 2007, 03:35:04 AM
On the flipside if this sort of project gets popular or at lease a good amount of press. Then Nintendo would be hard pressed to ignore that their is a desire for a Pokemon MMORPG.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2007, 05:36:48 AM
Post by: Mario on March 03, 2007, 02:41:40 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2007, 03:16:03 PM
Quotebut is it an MMO? I think everyone thinks Pokemon would be the perfect franchise for Nintendo to enter the MMO market with. Having never played a Pokemon game or an MMO, but having seen the Pokemon cartoon, I would think that Pokemon was meant to be an MMO.
Originally posted by: Mario
Nintendo has already put Pokemon online with Pearl / Diamond / Battle Revolution.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 03, 2007, 04:53:58 PM
:p . J/K...I agree that the idea is awesome, but maybe the reason it hasn't been put into motion is because it would be too grand and too ambitious for Nintendo to handle? I mean, handling an MMO takes A LOT of work, effort, time and money and Nintendo lacks on many of these areas.
In other words, Nintendo has been having problems with the basic Wi-fi service. What makes you think they can handle a 24/7, real time, never ending MMO?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2007, 06:56:54 PM
QuoteMaybe he's too busy playing the MMO to comment on it right now
Originally posted by: pap64
I'm surprised S_B hasn't invaded this thread yet. He doesn't shut up when it comes to a Pokemon MMO
QuoteNintendo has plenty of resources and TONS of cash to throw at an MMO, so don't make excuses for Nintendo's greed & laziness. Besides, didn't they team up with GameSpy or something, and aren't they supposed to specialize in online?
I agree that the idea is awesome, but maybe the reason it hasn't been put into motion is because it would be too grand and too ambitious for Nintendo to handle? I mean, handling an MMO takes A LOT of work, effort, time and money and Nintendo lacks on many of these areas.
In other words, Nintendo has been having problems with the basic Wi-fi service. What makes you think they can handle a 24/7, real time, never ending MMO?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 03, 2007, 07:02:05 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1QuoteMaybe he's too busy playing the MMO to comment on it right now
Originally posted by: pap64
I'm surprised S_B hasn't invaded this thread yet. He doesn't shut up when it comes to a Pokemon MMOQuoteNintendo has plenty of resources and TONS of cash to throw at an MMO, so don't make excuses for Nintendo's greed & laziness. Besides, didn't they team up with GameSpy or something, and aren't they supposed to specialize in online?
I agree that the idea is awesome, but maybe the reason it hasn't been put into motion is because it would be too grand and too ambitious for Nintendo to handle? I mean, handling an MMO takes A LOT of work, effort, time and money and Nintendo lacks on many of these areas.
In other words, Nintendo has been having problems with the basic Wi-fi service. What makes you think they can handle a 24/7, real time, never ending MMO?
Nah, S_B has given up on MMOs for a while.
As for everything else, I am not making excuses. We all know that Nintendo is having a lot of problems with Online gaming right now. Even though we have some online DS games most of them are just basic options or are very limited in terms of options, Hunters perhaps being one of the better online games.
If they took the system they used for Hunters I guess they could pull it off. But like you said, Nintendo tends to be lazy when it comes to online games.
Unless Reggie is Regginating Nintendo HARD about online games as we speak...
Post by: Mario on March 03, 2007, 07:18:57 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1Quotebut is it an MMO? I think everyone thinks Pokemon would be the perfect franchise for Nintendo to enter the MMO market with. Having never played a Pokemon game or an MMO, but having seen the Pokemon cartoon, I would think that Pokemon was meant to be an MMO.
Originally posted by: Mario
Nintendo has already put Pokemon online with Pearl / Diamond / Battle Revolution.
Not really. It'd be a completely different game. The gameplay in Pokemon is all about strategy, which is turn based.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2007, 08:15:55 PM
QuoteCouldnt there be an MMO where the actual fighting is turn based though? When I think of it as an MMO, I thinking it would be more like everyone playing their own seperate game, only everyone is on the same map/world. Everyone starts off with a Pokemon and have to quest around this world finding & collecting pokemon in the wild to add to their arsenal. If you run into another "quester" on your travels, you can challenge them and then take one of their(non-starter) pokemon as a prize(or whatever is agreed to before battle begins). the world map would be broken into continents, and each continent will have countries, each countries will have states and all states will have counties. Certain pokemon can only be found in certain areas, and new areas will only be accessable once you've earned enough badges to move on. Each county will have an Arena which is where you would earn our badges in the form of competition. Each competition will play out like the console versions of Pokemon and each Arena would have a champion. The ability to form teams, and champion many Dojo's/arena's and take on all comers.
Originally posted by: Mario
Not really. It'd be a completely different game. The gameplay in Pokemon is all about strategy, which is turn based.
I guess the goal would be to collect all the pokemon, train all the pokemon, defeat each Pokemon Dojo for a badge and to become Champion of every Arena(which is challengeable by any other player).
*I was gonna get really indepth wit what I would like to see in a Pokemon MMO, but thats not really what this thread is about, so I cut it short.*
The point I'm trying to get at is I don't see why it would really have to be a different game, just one that you aren't playing alone, and one where things can change whether you were online playing or not.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2007, 08:37:59 PM
Post by: nickmitch on March 04, 2007, 09:33:53 AM
The way I see a Pokemon MMO is that you get to pick which region you start at and can travel from town to town collecting the badges (in that region) at the gyms until you can move to another region. The only real problem is that Kanto and Johto have the same Pokemon League and Elite Four. Oh, and the whole leveling thing, but Nintendo can work that out.
Post by: Kairon on March 04, 2007, 11:32:12 AM
Solve the problem of online curses, name-calling, and foul language in a kid-oriented title and I'll be happy.
Solve the problem that Pokemon is AT ITS CORE PvP gameplay if you bring it online, and that a mass market MMO requires PvE experiences, and I'll be hoping you haven't completely obliterated the essence of Pokemon.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: KDR_11k on March 04, 2007, 07:40:06 PM
PVP flag, possibly even level difference limits.
Solve the problem of online curses, name-calling, and foul language in a kid-oriented title and I'll be happy.
Forming sentences from predefined pieces. Nothing else would work for this game since you have to "think of the children".
Solve the problem that Pokemon is AT ITS CORE PvP gameplay if you bring it online, and that a mass market MMO requires PvE experiences, and I'll be hoping you haven't completely obliterated the essence of Pokemon.
I don't know about you but I did fight loads of wild monsters in the GB game, whether to capture them or just to level my main. You'd have loads of wild monsters as PvE (possibly even using an encounter rule like the GB ones).
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 05, 2007, 04:47:39 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64 Nah, S_B has given up on MMOs for a while.
Actually, I'm thinking about WoW again. Something about it calms my mind and the last time I played it I actually lost weight because I relieved my stress through WoW instead of food and booze.
But of course I think Pokemon should be a MMO. We had the idea that it should be a MMO back in the beginning of the GC's life. Mike even made a fake poster advertising for it (which was awesome, by the way).
If there is a MMO in existence capable of dethroning WoW, it's Pokemon Online. Even if you didn't let the players chat with each other unless they swapped friend codes, just trouncing random opponents would be a thrill.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 05, 2007, 04:53:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: pap64 Nah, S_B has given up on MMOs for a while.
Actually, I'm thinking about WoW again. Something about it calms my mind and the last time I played it I actually lost weight because I relieved my stress through WoW instead of food and booze.
Hence why I said "for a while".
Post by: Kairon on March 05, 2007, 08:40:31 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Solve the problem of 12-year old bullies ganking 8-year old newbies and I'll be happy.
PVP flag, possibly even level difference limits.
You can harass people without entering combat. You can keep challenging them, you can call them names... the hardest thing for a kid to do is stay calm when insulted. Especially in a community/MMO setting.
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Solve the problem of online curses, name-calling, and foul language in a kid-oriented title and I'll be happy.
Forming sentences from predefined pieces. Nothing else would work for this game since you have to "think of the children".
What SELF-RESPECTING gamer above 12 would SUBMIT to such a thing??? I'd rather have NO CHAT than chat that was chopped off at the knees, dressed in a pink fluffy dress and had a LOBOTOMY. Pokemon is played by MORE PEOPLE than have BASIC READING SKILLS you know?!?!?!
You don't take Pokemon into the MMORPG world by dumbing it down and insulting its older fanbase. That COMPLETELY defeats the purpose.
I want to play Pokemon. Not ToonTown.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 05, 2007, 08:54:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
You can harass people without entering combat. You can keep challenging them, you can call them names... the hardest thing for a kid to do is stay calm when insulted. Especially in a community/MMO setting.
That's what the handy dandy "report abuse" feature is for. You can also /ignore them, and I remember from World of Warcraft that if someone kept challenging me to a duel, I could simply never answer the request. The notification is easy enough to ignore in towns, where it's most likely to happen. I just let it time out on its own, and they couldn't keep making it pop up over and over again if I never closed it.
QuoteQuote
Solve the problem of online curses, name-calling, and foul language in a kid-oriented title and I'll be happy.
Forming sentences from predefined pieces. Nothing else would work for this game since you have to "think of the children".
What SELF-RESPECTING gamer above 12 would SUBMIT to such a thing??? I'd rather have NO CHAT than chat that was chopped off at the knees, dressed in a pink fluffy dress and had a LOBOTOMY. Pokemon is played by MORE PEOPLE than have BASIC READING SKILLS you know?!?!?!
You don't take Pokemon into the MMORPG world by dumbing it down and insulting its older fanbase. That COMPLETELY defeats the purpose.
Actually, considering that we're talking about a game on either DS or Wii, sentence construction from predefined phrases would probably speed things up considerably. If I had the option, I'd use it over a hunt-and-click on screen keyboard in almost every case. It's not like there's a difference in the level of reading comprehension required to use one over the other, anyway. I don't know where you're getting that idea.
As an added benefit, such a system would break down language barriers, allowing everyone in the world to play together.
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I want to play Pokemon. Not ToonTown.
Apparently, you don't want to play Pokemon, either, since you always shoot the idea down.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 05, 2007, 09:09:26 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 05, 2007, 05:44:47 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 05, 2007, 06:16:16 PM
... I am REALLY against the Pokemon MMO idea. It would distort the game in MORE WAYS THAN ONE, in more directions than the ones I've listed... and besides, no one in Nintendo knows how to do MMOs TO BEGIN WITH.
You have a brand, sure, but you've got NO EXPERTISE, NO VISION, and are COMPLETELY DERIVATIVE OF OTHER GAMES!!! BLARGH! KAIRON SMASH~! SMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
DIE DIE DIE PIKACHU ONLINE DIE!
... you know what was another great idea? D & D Online. Perfectly translated the experience. Perfectly. And Magic The Gathering Online. That too.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 06, 2007, 03:54:39 AM
But I'm sure that this time they'd fail terribly, and you'd get to gloat and SMASH and somehow feel good about it.
On the other hand, I'd be interested in seeing what Nintendo's unique expertise and vision would bring to the world of MMO games.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 06, 2007, 07:26:39 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear On the other hand, I'd be interested in seeing what Nintendo's unique expertise and vision would bring to the world of MMO games.
Same here.
This is the primary reason I'm excited about Nintendo's potential.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 06, 2007, 08:12:46 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 06, 2007, 08:21:01 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Kairon, did you even play Pokemon? That game is basically an MMO with AI enemies instead of other players.
QFT.
You could do a direct 1:1 to the game, pretty much role all the games into one big one, and I don't think anyone who hadn't played the original games could ever tell that it wasn't designed from the ground up to be an MMO.
Post by: Kairon on March 06, 2007, 10:07:52 AM
IT'S ALL THERE! BLACK AND WHITE! CLEAR AS CRYSTAL! YOU STOLE FIZZY LIFTING DRINK! YOU BUMPED INTO THE CEILING WHICH NOW HAS TO BE WASHED AND STERILZIED SO YOU GET NOTHING! YOU LOSE!!! GOOD DAY SIR!
YOU'RE A CROOK! YOU'RE A CHEAT AND A SWINDLER! HOW COULD YOU DO A THING LIKE THIS RAISE UP A LITTLE BOYS HOPES AND THEN DASH ALL HIS DREAMS TO PIECES! YOU'RE AN INHUMAN MONSTER!!!
I SAID GOOD DAY!
YOU TELL EVERYBODY! LISTEN TO ME HATCHER! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! WE'VE GOTTA STOP THEM SOMEHOW!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on March 06, 2007, 11:20:34 AM
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POKEMON IS LIKE OBLIVION! YOU THINK THEY'D BE MMOS BUT THEY'RE NOT! THEY'RE NOOOOT! NOOOOOOOTTTTT!!! AND I HATE OBLIVION!
I want to point this out for a second. Every single-player (western) RPG I've played has had at least one person a week ask why it isn't an MMO on their forums. The answer is because it was built that way. Their meant to have the story and world have a focus on your character. If I see such a reference again, there will be consequences.
Urge to kill falling...
On topic: A Pokemon MMO would equal $$$ if done right, or at least partially right.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 06, 2007, 08:52:20 PM
Basically you have the certification gyms that would be manned by NPCs and instanced per player with no parties allowed, you have the areas that belong to Team Rocket that would allow parties to enter and be instanced per party and you'd have the open fields where you can do what you want and there's no instancing. Might need some rule adjustments to deal with the legendaries so they can't be "farmed" and of course rebalancing to make sure you don't have a few top tier monsters everyone uses and a lot of noise that get you ousted as a "n00b" for even trying to use them.
Post by: jakeOSX on March 09, 2007, 02:50:35 AM
the online aspect lets you have tournaments with other players, special events and items only availible at certain times. adding in the offline portion of the game (i imagined this to be a DS game) would allow for mobility. besides, do you really need to level grind online?
and since the PvP would be more of a dueling system rather than free for all combat, it makes it more younger player friendly. (though there are some eight year old pokemon players who i don't want to duel...)
who knows, maybe the diamond/pearl implementation will be close enough to what I want (minus the online only parts of the world)
Post by: KDR_11k on March 09, 2007, 06:08:41 AM
I disagree, offline character data automatically means cheating. In a proper MMO you don't want people to use an action replay on their 'mons.
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 09, 2007, 06:41:35 AM
In fact, I've heard that you can import your data from GBA versions of the game. That is a terrible idea...
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on March 09, 2007, 06:45:24 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 09, 2007, 07:46:32 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Pokemon has a bit of story but I've seen more complex storylines in the quests of MMOs. The three goals are always: 1. Go into all eight gyms, beat everyone up, go to the final "league", beat everyone up. 2. Catch all pokemon by beating them up, catching them and trading with other players. 3. Stop Team Rocket's plan by going into the appropriate buildings and beating people up.
Basically you have the certification gyms that would be manned by NPCs and instanced per player with no parties allowed, you have the areas that belong to Team Rocket that would allow parties to enter and be instanced per party and you'd have the open fields where you can do what you want and there's no instancing. Might need some rule adjustments to deal with the legendaries so they can't be "farmed" and of course rebalancing to make sure you don't have a few top tier monsters everyone uses and a lot of noise that get you ousted as a "n00b" for even trying to use them.
KDR by your description Pokemon is a beat'em up right? :P
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on March 09, 2007, 08:16:38 AM
But then again, that would definitely complicate things, and sort of change the fundamental basis of Pokemon. Deep in my heart, I've wanted to see a comlplex Pokemon game that played out something like Gladius, but that would shoo away a lot of the core demographic, I suppose.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2007, 08:23:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Yeah, 6 level 99 MewTwos are evidence that offline modes just won't fly for these cases.
In fact, I've heard that you can import your data from GBA versions of the game. That is a terrible idea...
A bad idea that has been going on since the GBC days. Pokemon Gold and Silver first implemented the idea, but you didn't use it right away. You had to advance to near the end of the game to do so.
Has it been confirmed that Pokemon DS can retrieve info from the GBA games?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2007, 08:31:45 AM
QuoteThat is why I started this thread, but the focus moved away from that really quickly. Someone who is a Poke fan should atleast try it out, and then let us know how it is.
Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
So, has anybody actually tried the one on the site here? Any impressions?
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on March 10, 2007, 05:43:56 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on March 10, 2007, 06:31:55 PM
