Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2007, 11:03:00 AM
And since that's what everyone thought was the reason behind no rumble in PS3 controllers... could Sony have a Rumble PS3 controller by Fall '07, just in time for MGS4? They've done such mid lifestyle controller switches before (dual analog) so don't give me this "no one will support it" stuff, Rumble is BACK in Sony's camp.
Also, they're out to steal Nintendo's Miis and Microsoft's Xbox Live Achievements, according to this rumor that was later proved pretty much true.
Sony is basically going to take Nintendo's Mii concept and make them 3D avatars. They're going to take MS' achievement's concept and make them tropies. They're gonna provide their users with a "home" (I imagine they're stealing this from Animal Crossing) where their avatars can decorate the place with their trophies. Sony's out to steal, and steal bigtime.
So what do you guys say... has the giant finally woken up???
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: King of Twitch on March 01, 2007, 11:12:21 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 01, 2007, 11:25:44 AM
They will still be crushed by $599 US DOLLARS
Post by: Djunknown on March 01, 2007, 11:29:46 AM
It'd be best if SCEA fires Jack Tretton. Or do the right thing and resign. The very least, say he's dumb stupid moron with a #$#@ grin. He owes the gaming community hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of unsold Playstation product. He said that Rumble is so last generation. If it was so last generation, how come Sony and Immersion kissed and made-up? Huh?
I wouldn't be surprised if they introduced Sixaxis with rumble at this year's at e3. And they'll expect the Sony faithful to pony up the cash for it...
Sony should have Sly Cooper as their mascot for obvious reasons. Can someone make an avatar like that? Have Sly with a Sony logo on their forehead?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 01, 2007, 11:32:47 AM
Simply pathetic...
Post by: darknight06 on March 01, 2007, 11:34:45 AM
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And since that's what everyone thought was the reason behind no rumble in PS3 controllers... could Sony have a Rumble PS3 controller by Fall '07, just in time for MGS4? They've done such mid lifestyle controller switches before (dual analog) so don't give me this "no one will support it" stuff, Rumble is BACK in Sony's camp.
I called this (time to pay up!). Almost makes me feel sorry for the people who have the launch controllers. Almost.
As for the "Mii ripoff."
Think about the target audience this system is going to. At $600 (the $500 doesn't exist) right now it most certainly isn't average Joe, Jane, her kids, or their grandparents. Some of the audience might like it, but I can guarantee you this will blow up in their faces from the venom that the majority hardcore gamer group are damn well gonna spew. It completely goes against the whole "cinematic force" that they are continually playing up right now. Now I REALLY do have to wonder what's going on over at Sony right now. For them to do something like this (if true) really has to mean something is terribly wrong over there.
Post by: Blue Plant on March 01, 2007, 11:34:48 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 01, 2007, 11:43:15 AM
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You sound... really excited by this stuff, Kairon...
I'm assuming he's being sarcastic about this. But if you read the comments on the Kotaku article Sony fans are going ape crap over this.
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2007, 11:43:52 AM
Or would you rather the black hole of utter and complete malice that swirls in the very depths of my soul, the hatred that pulses in a vortex of outrage, disgust, violence and black thoughts, the animal cry for blood and entrails and the rending of flesh and gnashing of teeth and the pain that consumes every fiber of my being, torments that I would wish upon my enemies a hundred times over for it would still not be worthwile and.. ... hmm.. I'm feeling hungry. When's dinner?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 01, 2007, 11:46:48 AM
And GoNintendo calls it a "slow" news day...
WHATEVERRRR!!
[and lol, someone somewhere said Ps3's Mii's would be called "Pii's"]
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 01, 2007, 12:07:19 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 01, 2007, 01:21:34 PM
And second they will likely piss more people off then make them happy, because Sony could have done this before the launch of the PS3 and reigned in that jerkass who keeps running his mouth at houw rumble is old news.
The Mii/Achievments things just reeks of desperation, why can't Sony ever do anything on their own without having to resort to outright copying?
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 01, 2007, 01:54:04 PM
Motion sensing
Achievement points
Console-wide avatars
Analog sticks
Rumble pack
I guess analog sticks can be considered a natural progression of technology, not a radical new direction, but I am trying to make the point that Sony never seems to the driving force of the industry. If anyone would like to point out original ideas from Sony, I would truly like to hear them. The only thing I can think of now is the EyeToy. Even though the Dreamcast did have the Dreameye in Japan, it didn't play any games, making the EyeToy is the best use of a webcam for video games so far.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 01, 2007, 01:59:25 PM
Post by: Ceric on March 01, 2007, 02:46:59 PM
Achievements seem to work.
Miis also seem to work.
Having both sounds like a good idea to me. Plus in the Kotaku article it was pretty clear rumor wise that they are going to go for more realistic 3D avatars. Be neat if the expanded this and let people visit others house on the web.
(To answer the next question: Yes I do sort of wish the Wii had achievements.)
Post by: JonLeung on March 01, 2007, 02:52:44 PM
But then again the whole world would also probably know that I can't beat F-Zero GX... ;_;
Well, if we're talking about the Wii, then the whole world would see my pathetic Wii Sports bronze medals...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 01, 2007, 02:58:42 PM
3D avatars have been around way before consoles implemented them and achievements have been around, so Sony doing them isn't that surprising.
HOWEVER, its hard to deny that this is Sony playing follow the leader (or in this case the leaders) instead of trying to do something new that sets them apart. And Sony DOES have the tendency of copying ideas from other companies.
In fact, I see Sony as the poser kid in school. The minute he sees someone with an unique style he will go his way to copy it. Some like him better than the original, others shrug it off.
In all honesty, what annoyed me was Sony's comment that Miis don't work because gamers want 3D realistic avatars. Way to generalize the whole world, Sony!
And finally, Sony is so deep in crap right now cute ideas will not help it now.
Post by: Ceric on March 01, 2007, 02:59:42 PM
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^So do I! And then the WHOLE WORLD would know that I got 999999999 Bells in Animal Crossing and Animal Crossing: Wild World!
But then again the whole world would also probably know that I can't beat F-Zero GX... ;_;
Well, if we're talking about the Wii, then the whole world would see my pathetic Wii Sports bronze medals...
Thats ok. With F-Zero GX I wish I had the stat for how many times it restarted my Cube.
Also, on what Pap said, the devil is in the details. I'm sort of wait and see on this. The concept is pretty obvious but, if it comes out to look just like a GamerTag. That be terrible. Though if you could have an expansive house with stuff custom arranged. Maybe even pictures of your achievement it could be quiet cool.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2007, 05:35:40 PM
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I really don't like Sony. Here's a short list of ideas they have "borrowed" from others since the PS/N64 generation...
HD Graphics
Hard Drive
Multiple SKU's
Motion sensing
Achievement points
Console-wide avatars
Analog sticks
Rumble pack
Shoulder buttons
you forgot HD grafix, HDD's, Multi SKU's, & shoulder buttons(or the entire SNES controller layout) so I fixed it for you
Post by: KDR_11k on March 01, 2007, 07:20:48 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2007, 07:54:13 PM
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freakyguy666: Has anyone else heard the rumors of a major Sony Online upgrade? Apparently the update will make the Xbox LIVE interface look antiquated in comparison. Apparently the interface is set up like a Virtual Town where each user has their own virtual apartment. Within your apartment you store your collection of acheivements and virtual trophies to show off to any "visitors" (i.e. people on your Friends list). Your friends could visit you if you are "home" (i.e. online)and once inside they could "walk around" your apartment and view how you've decorated your place. But more importantly, they could listen to any music or watch videos that you've got in your place (i.e. content you've stored on your PS3). Furthermore, your friends could join you for a game of cards or other simple games while listening to your music or even running a movie on your virtual TV (again using data on your PS3 HD). Once outside of your apartment you could visit the virtual Movie Theater to download--what else?--video content, visit the virtual Arcade, and other more exciting areas that I'm not at liberty to discuss yet...
The bottomline is that the interface is going to get a major overhaul and it's supposed to be very slick and user friendly. It will make apparent the advantages of the PS3 hardware and--dare I say--the new Sony Online Network.
If this has already been posted I apologise in advance! Otherwise, you heard it here....FIRST!
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Update: There's good news and some bad news.
Good news: Beta is up and running...looking fantastic!
Bad news: Release has been pushed back to the Fall.
Feel free to chalk this up as another unsubstantiated rumour...
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"Rumour has it" that part of the delay has to do with the extent of the overhaul required to support such a vibrant online experience.
There is one additional benefit to the delay; Sony is aware of this space and you should feel free to post creative ideas in this space with the knowledge that there is still time to implement them into the final version.
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don't intend to get too technical but here's a hint...the PS3 reserves 96MB for its OS (operating system). The XB360? A mere 32MB. Why does Sony need THREE TIMES the resources?!? Most programmers were perplexed at this decision, but it will all become clear this Fall. One look at the Virtual Town, complete with your Virtual Apartments, with streaming video and music in your apartment for all friends to share and you too will be a believer.
All in the fullness of time!
Cheers!
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The Beta version of the new online interface will be shown behind closed doors at GDC. Sony is very interested in getting 3rd parties on board to one-up the acheivement system of LIVE.
Sounds good. Sounds exactly like what I was hoping Nintendo was gonna do after I found out about Miis and Nintendo wanting to go after a Myspace like setup for online community. If this is indeed what Sony is doing, then I hope it turns out just as good as it sounds.
If your gonna bring it late, then you better bring it better.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 01, 2007, 09:04:39 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2007, 10:37:37 PM
Either way, I'll prefer Animal Crossing, I'm sure.
GRRRAAAAWWWWRRR
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NeoThunder on March 01, 2007, 11:04:50 PM
I wonder if they will go back on their word about rumble being a thing of the past and come out with a six-axis dual-shock.......it could be a dual-six-shock.
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2007, 11:18:03 PM
Oh, and it'd probably just be called Play. After all, the word IS in their brand...
I guess we'll see how much of a threat PSMiichievements will turn out to be soon enough. And how soon they're gonna shove rumble out the door too.
Actually... why am I pensive? I should be happy: I used to worry that Sony would die waaay too fast, that MS would wipe the floor with them, and that the resulting scenario would be bad for Nintendo. I've always believed that we need both Sony and MS to be locked in an eternal struggle so that Nintendo doesn't get to the top of anyone's "to kill" list... these events just make Sony more competitive and staves off the inevitable MS complete victory.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: KDR_11k on March 02, 2007, 12:31:14 AM
Post by: Ceric on March 02, 2007, 01:09:46 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 02, 2007, 03:19:15 AM
One thing I'm not so sure about: requiring all developers to integrate the Pii stuff into their games. I'm not sure what they mean by this, maybe only achievements are required, but in general, more requirements for devs = more budget for games.
Post by: Ghisy on March 02, 2007, 05:19:17 AM
Like no one saw that one coming.
$ony, you've fallen reaaaaaaaal low this time, so low that you might even be underground already.
May worms eat you up.
Post by: Adrock on March 02, 2007, 06:09:19 AM
I don't think this really affects PS3 at all. Sony will likely stick to their guns and keep Sixaxis rumble free. Imagine how much money that would cost to not only commision Immersion to create a tilt and rumble capable controller, but to pay up for the license as well. Rumble is nice and all, but I don't think it's really worth the trouble for Sony to implement it into their controllers now.
As for the Mii/Achievement copying, it's not exactly the same and it doesn't change the fact that you still have to pony up $600. Seems like a fun feature, but it still doesn't justify anything, price and otherwise. You can get mad about Sony's lack of originality or you can sip some lemonade, make a Mii or two, and be content that you spent considerably less while having just as much fun (or possibly more).
Post by: MaryJane on March 02, 2007, 07:58:03 AM
Most people aren't going to realize that Sony is copying this from MS and Nintendo. If they own a 360 they might see the correlation between the achievements and trophies, and if they own a Wii (or watch T.V) or watch T.V they might see the Mii clones as just that but either of those things viewed seperately seems like Sony made a vast improvement on the original idea rather than just combine the two (or 3 in the case of the house decorating being taken from Animal Crossing ).
This wroks highly to Sony's advantage. I actually won a $20 bet with a friend because he thought Sony had the SIXAXIS before the Wii-Mote.
Thankfully though he's now like me and searching for a Wii to buy.
Post by: Nephilim on March 02, 2007, 11:31:41 AM
free animal crossing clone
Post by: Ceric on March 02, 2007, 02:16:20 PM
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Settling with Immersion doesn't necessarily mean Sony will release a new rumble enabled Sixaxis. I believe Immersion wanted Sony to stop manufacturing controllers that infringed on their their patented technology. Sony was able to suspend that order pending appeals. So they finally gave in. What did everyone expect them to do? They still make $$$ on PS2 and you can't sell one without a controller. It probably would have cost more money to redesign the Dual Shock 2 without rumble than just settle with Immersion.
They did. It's called a sixaxis (of evil dum dum DUUMMMMMM).
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I don't think this really affects PS3 at all. Sony will likely stick to their guns and keep Sixaxis rumble free. Imagine how much money that would cost to not only commision Immersion to create a tilt and rumble capable controller, but to pay up for the license as well. Rumble is nice and all, but I don't think it's really worth the trouble for Sony to implement it into their controllers now.
As for the Mii/Achievement copying, it's not exactly the same and it doesn't change the fact that you still have to pony up $600. Seems like a fun feature, but it still doesn't justify anything, price and otherwise. You can get mad about Sony's lack of originality or you can sip some lemonade, make a Mii or two, and be content that you spent considerably less while having just as much fun (or possibly more).
I want some lemonade
Post by: Donutt007 on March 05, 2007, 10:20:31 AM
Sure, Sony might have better looking ones but you're gonna have to go through 100 steps to do it.
Post by: Kairon on March 05, 2007, 10:39:19 AM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Requiem on March 05, 2007, 11:36:06 AM
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Sounds good. Sounds exactly like what I was hoping Nintendo was gonna do after I found out about Miis and Nintendo wanting to go after a Myspace like setup for online community.
How do you know there not? They can't divulge information just yet, but that doesn't mean the information isn't there.
Post by: Nick DiMola on March 06, 2007, 11:43:36 PM
I fear the same thing MaryJane mentioned; people won't see this as a rip off they will see it as a fantastic idea because they have no frame of reference. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it plays out, I just hope Sony takes a public beating for it when it comes to fruition, and is as similar to other products as it sounds.
Post by: Blue Plant on March 07, 2007, 05:29:25 AM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on March 07, 2007, 05:53:58 AM
Post by: Donutt007 on March 07, 2007, 06:07:38 AM
The one thing they I noticed is that they said it's a service free of charge, but when they started talking about additional clothing and furniture for your "apartment" they just said "available for download". 20 bucks, says they charge ya for it.
It is pretty neat, but I doubt it's going to be 100% free. Sony will find ways to charge you however they can.
Post by: Magik on March 07, 2007, 06:15:02 AM
The service will most likely be free of charge, but it will definitely have DLC.
Let's see how Nintendo and Microsoft responds to this.
Post by: capamerica on March 07, 2007, 06:17:41 AM
I don't think your going to have a lot of people using it, Its cute but not something the PS3 demographic is going to use. Might hook a few more Japan users but its not going to be a system seller feature.
Also I think one of the nice features with the Xbox Achievements is that you can see them online and you don't need to be on a Xbox to see them. I wonder if Sony is going to do this too?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 07, 2007, 06:19:39 AM
Will I get to use them in the next MGS or GTA?
Will I get to use them in Killzone?
Will they be tied to some MySpace page so that we can see how the real world and the PS Home world totally lie to each other?
Do I have to buy a PS3 to experience this? OH SH!T $600!
What are the parental controls like?
Can there be parties of online sex offenders in the middle of these virtual lobbies?
Post by: hudsonhawk on March 07, 2007, 06:19:44 AM
Very Neuromancer. I hope when you go to your friend's place and he's playing a game, he's sitting there jacked in.
I do agree with Cap though, unless they give you a really compelling reason to hang out there, it has the potential to be completely barren.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 07, 2007, 06:33:14 AM
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I don't know if you watched the trailer or not, but it does look pretty. It's basically the Sims though.
I did watch the trailer, and it looks like crap...The art style and avatars are just nauseating...
Little Big Planet, on the other hand, looks like a really cool game...
Post by: Bloodworth on March 07, 2007, 08:18:18 AM
As for Home, saying it was anything like Miis was kind of silly. It looks far more like Second Life to me. Considering there aren't a lot of things like this on consoles, it could have an effect similar to Halo-- offering something that console players feel is new even though more hardcore gamers don't see anything special about it.
Post by: Pittbboi on March 07, 2007, 08:42:20 AM
the Wii NEEDS this kind of game.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 07, 2007, 10:44:32 AM
Post by: Shift Key on March 07, 2007, 11:57:17 AM
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Unlike, say, The Sims, in which furniture is laid out on a grid, you can arrange your surroundings however you like - even if it's stacking your trendy new chairs haphazardly in a corner by literally throwing them at the wall
Ahahahahaha best game. Create a home, destroy it, and start over.
Wait, its not the Sims? Damn, gonna have to figure out a new way to burn things.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 07, 2007, 12:03:53 PM
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 07, 2007, 12:09:54 PM
I personally think it looks rather bland. I only looked at some screen shots, but it doesn't compel me to play it. Same story with Second Life, The Sims, or any other virtual hub or life simulation games. Hopefully, Nintendo will put a lot of community aspects into Animal Crossing because I see that as being a more interesting game. Although Nintendo's online policies would probably prevent anything like this from reaching the Wii.
I found one quote rather interesting from the Games Radar page.
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...the Home Theater [is] a public spot that displays video files on massive screens, in full 3D theaters, and aims to add a social aspect to watching movies online.
How many people would pay to watch movies on the PS3? Do you pay per-showing? Exactly how "public" are we talking here?
I assume that one can not share their own movies with others (the MPAA would flip). So you pay to watch a movie and in the middle of it you get chat bubbles popping up saying "lame", "I think I know what will happen next!", and "hawt". I am not a movie person at all, but that seems like a sub-optimal way to enjoy a film.
Post by: 18 Days on March 07, 2007, 12:48:45 PM
Post by: MaryJane on March 07, 2007, 01:29:20 PM
Interesting comment, of course they mentioned that Sony settled it's suit with Immersion and that the change will likely be rumble in the controller.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 07, 2007, 02:03:52 PM
Post by: Ceric on March 07, 2007, 02:38:26 PM
Post by: Mario on March 07, 2007, 03:43:59 PM
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Little Big Planet looks so cool it's scary....
the Wii NEEDS this kind of game.
I thought you hated Deweys Adventure.
Post by: Shift Key on March 07, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
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I don't know this could be interesting. Though I agree that I would like a more cartoony version better... and more hats... the ability to make hats... sell hats... display hats... achieve HATS. Did I mention hats?
WE WANT WII HATS GAME. I smell a bandwagon coming!
Post by: MarioAllStar on March 07, 2007, 05:08:18 PM
Moral of the story? Expensive consoles mean less buyers, which ultimately means the hard work of game developers reaches a smaller audience. It is a lose-lose situation.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 07, 2007, 05:54:04 PM
I assume that one can not share their own movies with others (the MPAA would flip). So you pay to watch a movie and in the middle of it you get chat bubbles popping up saying "lame", "I think I know what will happen next!", and "hawt". I am not a movie person at all, but that seems like a sub-optimal way to enjoy a film.
I hope they don't make you turn off your bazookas.
Post by: couchmonkey on March 08, 2007, 06:03:11 AM
LittleBigPoop looks really neat!
Post by: Ceric on March 08, 2007, 06:20:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I don't know this could be interesting. Though I agree that I would like a more cartoony version better... and more hats... the ability to make hats... sell hats... display hats... achieve HATS. Did I mention hats?
WE WANT WII HATS GAME. I smell a bandwagon coming!
Ride on my brother. Join the revolution.
Post by: capamerica on March 08, 2007, 08:05:31 AM
Behold!
With XNA on the Xbox360 and the Wii with its SD Card suport users could make their own items on their computer and then upload them right into the game. Or they could even buid stuff right there. Since Second Life is all done server side there is no need for a HDD.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 08, 2007, 04:30:22 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 08, 2007, 06:10:33 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 08, 2007, 06:12:04 PM
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Sony's back everyone! Gundam for PS3 is #1 in Japan, not only that, but it's also the ONLY PS3 game in the entire top 50! Go Sony!
And PSP is back as well because of that Monster game in Japan!
Post by: capamerica on March 08, 2007, 06:15:57 PM
Post by: Kairon on March 08, 2007, 06:18:04 PM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 08, 2007, 06:27:51 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 08, 2007, 09:37:47 PM
Yep, boxed.
Post by: capamerica on March 09, 2007, 03:10:32 AM
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There was a Box edition of Second Life? O_o
Yep, boxed.
Mine's better looking =P
We didn't get a Boxed version over here in the US. At least not one that I'm aware of. Second Life has always just been a version you can download free off their site.
Post by: Ceric on March 09, 2007, 05:01:47 AM
Post by: Pittbboi on March 09, 2007, 09:38:28 AM
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You know, I'm a bit confused, people (Oh like maybe Pittbboi) complain about Wii being casual and a non-gamer system, yet they go crazy over something like home or Littlebigtown which would fall under casual or or non-games!
What? Why even bring me up?
1) I don't complain about the Wii being a casual and non-gamer system. I don't care who else they try to appeal to as long as they don't forget about gamers in the process.
2) When did I ever go crazy over Home? It doesn't even appeal to me, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge it.
3) LittleBigPlanet is a non-game? That's funny, it looked like a 2D platformer to me.
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Post by: WPack911 on March 09, 2007, 11:19:35 AM
I think PS3 home is the most interesting thing Sony has done with PS3 yet and though yes they may have been inspired by the Mii system some, instead of flat out copying it at least they tried to be innovative. I still want to see it more before I am completely sold though, cause Sony has a bad habit of making promises and never coming though with them. I totally agree with the Second Life comparison's though, if anyone should be calling Sony a copy cat right now it's that games fans and developers.
-WPack911
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 09, 2007, 12:52:48 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 09, 2007, 02:50:18 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 09, 2007, 03:03:21 PM
1. Both games give you a customizable avatar.
2. Both games make you buy virtual stuff with real money.
3. Both games force you to look at advertisements you don't want to see while the game's creator profits.
Sony took someone else's idea and used it as their own. Nothing new here. Move along.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 09, 2007, 03:08:07 PM
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Home is a ripoff of 2nd Life designed to drop even more of Sony's crap on its fans.
1. Both games give you a customizable avatar.
2. Both games make you buy virtual stuff with real money.
3. Both games force you to look at advertisements you don't want to see while the game's creator profits.
Sony took someone else's idea and used it as their own. Nothing new here. Move along.
Not true, they have littlebigplanet which has shiney graphical effects and physics that everyone loves, even though there isn't much else. That is innovation at its finest.
Post by: Kairon on March 09, 2007, 04:14:18 PM
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Not true, they have littlebigplanet which has shiney graphical effects and physics that everyone loves, even though there isn't much else. That is innovation at its finest.
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Pick up your copy of Sonic Tilt N Tumble for Wii, it is innovation at its finest
...huh...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Pittbboi on March 09, 2007, 06:01:42 PM
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Not true, they have littlebigplanet which has shiney graphical effects and physics that everyone loves, even though there isn't much else.
Are you kidding? There's plenty besides graphics and physics (though that shouldn't be scoffed at. That's like saying Mario is nothing but jumping). The game has mad character.
PR:
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LittleBigPlanet starts with players learning about the powers of their chosen characters to interact physically with the environment. There are obstacles to explore, items to collect and puzzles to solve -- requiring community-based teamwork and brainpower. As players begin to explore, their creative skills grow and they will be ready to start creating and modifying their surroundings -- the first step to sharing them with the whole world. Ultimately, levels of the game will be user generated on a worldwide scale and will change everyday as players create, publish and share their own levels.
Users have the power to design, shape and build both objects and entire locations for others to play. Players can make their world as open or as secretive to explore as they like. When it's ready, they can invite anyone within the LittleBigPlanet universe to come and explore their "patch," or they can go and explore everybody else's. Other notable features and characteristics of the community-based game include:
-- Players craft their own individual experience. There's not just one way to play.
-- Unlimited possibilities for user-created content -- players can customize everything: their characters, the landscape around them and their own "patch" on LittleBigPlanet.
-- Players discover and win new skills and items to aid them on their creative journey.
-- Online and offline multiplayer modes -- work as a team or get competitive.
Post by: IceCold on March 09, 2007, 06:28:49 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 09, 2007, 07:53:21 PM
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Not true, they have littlebigplanet which has shiney graphical effects and physics that everyone loves, even though there isn't much else.
Are you kidding? There's plenty besides graphics and physics (though that shouldn't be scoffed at. That's like saying Mario is nothing but jumping). The game has mad character.
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LittleBigPlanet starts with players learning about the powers of their chosen characters to interact physically with the environment. There are obstacles to explore, items to collect and puzzles to solve -- requiring community-based teamwork and brainpower. As players begin to explore, their creative skills grow and they will be ready to start creating and modifying their surroundings -- the first step to sharing them with the whole world. Ultimately, levels of the game will be user generated on a worldwide scale and will change everyday as players create, publish and share their own levels.
Users have the power to design, shape and build both objects and entire locations for others to play. Players can make their world as open or as secretive to explore as they like. When it's ready, they can invite anyone within the LittleBigPlanet universe to come and explore their "patch," or they can go and explore everybody else's. Other notable features and characteristics of the community-based game include:
-- Players craft their own individual experience. There's not just one way to play.
-- Unlimited possibilities for user-created content -- players can customize everything: their characters, the landscape around them and their own "patch" on LittleBigPlanet.
-- Players discover and win new skills and items to aid them on their creative journey.
-- Online and offline multiplayer modes -- work as a team or get competitive.
That is all well and good, but so far we've only seen a video of the game being played, knowing Sony's background they definately tend to overexagerrate gameplay features or try to steer people's opinion by prettying up things (PS3 and PS2 cinematics instead of gameplay?) . I've never had much trust in Sony to create much of anything innovative. Could the game be amazing? Perhaps, but to get excited about it now seems like a real leap of faith for a company that has one of the more erradic track records when it comes to game quality, much less innovation!
Post by: WalkingTheCow on March 09, 2007, 11:01:54 PM
After watching all of it, I gotta say it's looking like the sort of thing I've been hoping for. It looks bloody brillilant. I'm terriblly depressed because now I'll have to spend money on a PS3 at some point down the line.
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Post by: Kairon on March 10, 2007, 07:35:54 AM
Essentially... imagine little big planet as a single or multiplayer 2D platformer.... with a level editor that looks like The Incredible Machine! It's got the inventiveness of lemmings, the drag and drop level creation of Elebits, the art style of a velveteen rabbit and the gameplay of some strange cousin of Yoshi's Island.
Little Big Planet is pretty neat. Home, on the other hand, is blah.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 10, 2007, 08:44:31 AM
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Little Big Planet is pretty cool. Sony may be publishing, but the developers apparently come from the Indie scene, which is why it feels so fresh and all.
Rag Doll Kung-Fu - From the makers of Little Big Planet
enjoy
Post by: Mikintosh on March 12, 2007, 07:37:26 AM
That said, it does look neat.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on March 13, 2007, 08:43:22 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2007, 09:34:49 AM
Little Big Planet will be the Psychonauts of this generation. It would sell great on a Nintendo platform, but be overlooked by most on the PS3 platform. Critics will love it, but Mr Halo/Madden will ignore it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 13, 2007, 09:41:13 AM
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I shall make a prediction:
Little Big Planet will be the Psychonauts of this generation. It would sell great on a Nintendo platform, but be overlooked by most on the PS3 platform. Critics will love it, but Mr Halo/Madden will ignore it.
Wait Little Big Planet is coming out on Wii?
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2007, 09:47:51 AM
(Substitute Viva Pinata and 360 and you get the same result)
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 13, 2007, 12:55:55 PM
Little Big Planet will be lucky if it even find a way to hit 100,000 WORLDWIDE.
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Post by: Shift Key on March 21, 2007, 12:00:33 PM
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The makers of God of War, who are making God of War 3 for the PS3, say that the game will include rumble. I don't have a link because I saw it reported on G4.
I would not be surprised if they are already working on a Sixaxis controller with rumble. Actually, I expect it. Maybe a rumble'd version will be out for Xmas this year - who knows how long it takes to put back something that got pulled from initial development?
Post by: couchmonkey on April 04, 2007, 05:42:48 AM
Outselling HD-DVD doesn't mean much on its own, maybe there were only 25 HD-DVD units sold last month. The Casino Royale thing is more interesting: on the one hand, you could argue that it only sold so well because of the early PS3 adopters. On the other hand, you could argue that PS3 promoting Blu-ray sales is exactly what Sony wanted. At the end of the day, the big question is whether or not this will translate into success for the Blu-ray format as a whole. If so, PS3 could stage a comeback eventually.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2007, 06:22:38 AM
But Either way, BRD is releasing more movies than HDDVD since they have far more support for the moment, and I only see it not really mattering once WB's dual format disc hit the market and mpore studios just suppord the dual format disc, that will soon be playing in Toshiba's(?) dual format players.
Personally I hope both formats fail and make room for HVD since its far superior to either "next-gen" format and we would never need another disc format again.
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Post by: Ceric on April 04, 2007, 12:00:17 PM
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Well I think the ultimate winner of the format war will be digital distribution.
No. To many people want physical tradeable hard to lose media.
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No. To many people want physical tradeable hard to lose media.
PC gaming is already heading this way - I can certainly see consoles going this way as it allows developers to reduce publishing fees and increase profit margins. Look at the XBLA and VC and then tell me the concept cannot be implemented well. There's no concern here about "losing" the game as you can go and re-download the games that you purchased.
And people's attachment to the physical media indicates that people are stuck in the past, where something tangible was associated with the transaction. It will probably take time to convince the masses of the benefits of digital distribution, but it has the potential to make games cheaper for the user and improve the bottom line of developers.
Post by: capamerica on April 04, 2007, 12:25:24 PM
The people who want a HD physical media are not in the same group who want (or even care about) Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.
The group of people who are interested in HD movies are the same group who are excited and accepting digital distribution.
I would be more then willing to bet that if you were to look at how well AppleTV/iTunes and XboxLive Media is doing you would see that their movies are vastly outselling that of both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray put together.
Digital Distribution is the future, people who fear it most likely have no plans to part ways with their DVDs anyway.
Post by: capamerica on April 04, 2007, 12:56:57 PM
iTunes: 1.3 million feature-length films (Sept. 12, 2006 to Jan 10, 2007)
HD-DVD: 650,000 (March 31, 2006 to March 9, 2007)
Blu-Ray: 675,000 (March 3, 2003 to March 9, 2007)
Post by: Shift Key on April 04, 2007, 04:46:38 PM
Also, the time frame for each medium is very different. Almost skewed, if you will. Perhaps they're lifetime sales, perhaps not. In either case I want more background information :P
Post by: capamerica on April 04, 2007, 05:18:20 PM
iTunes first started selling Movies on Sept. 12, 2006.
The second date is when the # of movies sold was published. I was able to find both the total # sold for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD on the same site. iTunes I got from Apple.
That I'm aware of the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are for just movies. The info came from Video Business but it does say "Total disc sales" so it could be including blank discs and Blu-Ray games. =/
Post by: couchmonkey on April 09, 2007, 06:32:17 AM
Post by: Ghisy on April 09, 2007, 08:18:49 AM
Call me old fashioned but I like having the disc, box and manual. It's good to have a hard copy.
What if your HDD fails and all of your games are gone?
I really think they should offer both alternatives.
Post by: Ceric on April 09, 2007, 08:36:08 AM
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I hope it will NEVER come to downloading games.
Call me old fashioned but I like having the disc, box and manual. It's good to have a hard copy.
What if your HDD fails and all of your games are gone?
I really think they should offer both alternatives.
I second that.
Yes, I would live to have all my movies and shows on 1 machine with full surround sound and HD resolution. But iTune doesn't offer that nor any other digital distributor last time I checked. Also with iTunes the last I checked if where you where storing your music and videos became corrupted your S.O.L.
Thats my biggest problems. DVD's have a shelf-life of 20-30 years considering the format and some other factors with common use. Computer hardware stretching it has a max 10 years with common use. Also they are individual pieces and not a part of a whole. If I decide that I want to play Justice League Unlimited for 3 months non-stop. I probably kill my DVD player and the Disc. I just buy a new DVD player or use a computer and my wife be ready to go to watch My Little Pony.
If it was a computer that would not be the case because they share a disc then they would both be taken out at the same time. If I'm lucky I have a digital content provider that will let me prove who I am and let me redownload all of my movies and shows. Though that will take forever because they will be in HD quality with full surround sound (aka HD-DVD/BluRay equivalent.) Which makes for comparatively huge files.
In the future I'll probably be happy to jump onto the bandwagon but as of know no. I also really doubt that the less technically inclined will fully embrace it either.
Post by: capamerica on April 09, 2007, 09:09:47 AM
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Yes, I would live to have all my movies and shows on 1 machine with full surround sound and HD resolution. But iTune doesn't offer that nor any other digital distributor last time I checked. Also with iTunes the last I checked if where you where storing your music and videos became corrupted your S.O.L.
Actually if you lose your downloaded iTunes files all you have to do is contact Apple and they will tell you how to get it all back pretty easy. I did it recently since my downloaded music started spanning 4 different computers and I wanted to get them all on my new computer, I called Apple and within 5mins I was re-downloading all my music and videos I had purchased.
XboxLive Arcade allows you to redownload any games or TV shows you have purchased as long as your loged into your account. Which is something I wish Nintendo did with the VC.
I'm not to keen on the idea of doing away with VideoGames on Disc based media, but I do like the idea of doing away with disc based media for Movies and Music.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on September 21, 2007, 02:02:45 AM
And I hate the idea of digital distribution to movies. Some of us like quality picture and audio...and don't like the idea of huge compression just to be able to send it quickly through a wire to my television.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 21, 2007, 05:30:26 AM
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Umm....does Sony actually want to win this generation? Sony has forfeited 2 Christmases now in a row. At least Nintendo is throwning some of its biggest guns out there this Christmas.
And I hate the idea of digital distribution to movies. Some of us like quality picture and audio...and don't like the idea of huge compression just to be able to send it quickly through a wire to my television.
Remember though, you WILL like it because when Sony says something has really begun it is the the truth.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 21, 2007, 09:46:18 AM
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Umm....does Sony actually want to win this generation? Sony has forfeited 2 Christmases now in a row. At least Nintendo is throwning some of its biggest guns out there this Christmas.
And I hate the idea of digital distribution to movies. Some of us like quality picture and audio...and don't like the idea of huge compression just to be able to send it quickly through a wire to my television.
Sony claims the PS3 will have a 10 year lifespan. If that is true then they are in it for the long haul and I guess they don't mind if it takes them 3-4 years to really get off the ground.
They probably think the 360 (and certainly the Wii) will have a much shorter span, so their initial gains are meaningless.
But then again, Sony is still very arrogant and perhaps still destined for a major fall.
Post by: Arbok on September 21, 2007, 10:24:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Chozo GhostSony claims the PS3 will have a 10 year lifespan. If that is true then they are in it for the long haul and I guess they don't mind if it takes them 3-4 years to really get off the ground.
That statement was made under the assumption they would trump this generation like last, and this was their way of convincing early adopters that it was worth the large investment. Sony majorly mispredicted the market, though, and I would be willing to bet money that we don't see support for the PS3 in 2016.
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Originally posted by: Chozo GhostSony claims the PS3 will have a 10 year lifespan. If that is true then they are in it for the long haul and I guess they don't mind if it takes them 3-4 years to really get off the ground.
That statement was made under the assumption they would trump this generation like last, and this was their way of convincing early adopters that it was worth the large investment. Sony majorly mispredicted the market, though, and I would be willing to bet money that we don't see support for the PS3 in 2016.
That is an excellent point, I believe they made similar statements about PS2 before it came out, but that was considering that they kicked butt. Sony is struggling alot with PS3, and it could easily have the SHORTEST lifespan of the other two systems if it doesn't pick up.
Post by: Mashiro on September 21, 2007, 11:44:34 AM
Sony has already fell. The PS3 wont be catching up and pretty much is offering absolutely nothing until 2008.
Plenty of time for both Nintendo and MS to scoop up plenty more sales. I'm afraid Sony would need a miracle at this point to regain the number one spot.
Even if the systems life spans were shorter than Sony's PS3, with the way the market share is going it wouldn't matter. If Nintendo keeps strong sales of the Wii going and 4 years from now they release a new system, what system do you think people would most likely get next? An aging PS3 or the next big thing from Nintendo? =)
Post by: UERD on September 21, 2007, 05:05:44 PM
Once they take that simple little step, everything will fall into place.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 21, 2007, 05:11:34 PM
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Destined for a major fall?
Sony has already fell. The PS3 wont be catching up and pretty much is offering absolutely nothing until 2008.
Plenty of time for both Nintendo and MS to scoop up plenty more sales. I'm afraid Sony would need a miracle at this point to regain the number one spot.
Even if the systems life spans were shorter than Sony's PS3, with the way the market share is going it wouldn't matter. If Nintendo keeps strong sales of the Wii going and 4 years from now they release a new system, what system do you think people would most likely get next? An aging PS3 or the next big thing from Nintendo? =)
Last week's sales figures show that the PSP outsold the DS for the first time since like 2005 or something. Plus they've got the rumble problem fixed, and they are likely to drop the price of the PS3 soon.
All of those and more give me reason to believe they could still salvage the PS3. I hope they don't because I don't like the company for how it is dishonest and the way it makes shoddy products and tries to force things on consumers such as rootkits and all that. So I do hope the PS3 fails, but I am just saying that its failure isn't a certainty.
Post by: Mashiro on September 21, 2007, 05:22:28 PM
@ Chozo Ghost, yeah I mean I think the PS3 is salvageable. It certainly wont go the way of the Dreamcast. But I don't think it's going to the be the market leader this gen if things keep up. Even with all their aces in the hole I don't think it'll make enough of a dent to both Xbox 360 and Wii to make PS3 the winner this gen.
I saw the PSP thing as well, didn't FFVII something-or-other come out this week to increase its sales? Which, if that's true, shows how much selling power FFVII has haha. But yeah anyway, one week of good sales compared to DS' pure domination isn't really a turning point. If it kept up where PSP and PS3 started doubling sales over Nintendo every week then maybe I would be more inclined to think things are changing.
Post by: UERD on September 21, 2007, 05:23:33 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 21, 2007, 05:51:41 PM
I mean... Geez... TWO final Fantasy XIII games for the PS3? An FF7 series game for the PS3? And Metal Gear Solid Online?
Post by: KDR_11k on September 21, 2007, 07:12:00 PM
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They're not completely out for the count, and they have developer indifference/inertia on their side.
That advantage is shortlived though and the more time they waste the more developers will wake up and change their production. Sony's worst case scenario would be a highly anticipated game being released and not selling enough.
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They're not completely out for the count, and they have developer indifference/inertia on their side.
That advantage is shortlived though and the more time they waste the more developers will wake up and change their production. Sony's worst case scenario would be a highly anticipated Final Fantasy game being released and not selling enough.
fix't.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 21, 2007, 07:56:58 PM
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Destined for a major fall?
Sony has already fell. The PS3 wont be catching up and pretty much is offering absolutely nothing until 2008.
Plenty of time for both Nintendo and MS to scoop up plenty more sales. I'm afraid Sony would need a miracle at this point to regain the number one spot.
Even if the systems life spans were shorter than Sony's PS3, with the way the market share is going it wouldn't matter. If Nintendo keeps strong sales of the Wii going and 4 years from now they release a new system, what system do you think people would most likely get next? An aging PS3 or the next big thing from Nintendo? =)
Last week's sales figures show that the PSP outsold the DS for the first time since like 2005 or something. Plus they've got the rumble problem fixed, and they are likely to drop the price of the PS3 soon.
All of those and more give me reason to believe they could still salvage the PS3. I hope they don't because I don't like the company for how it is dishonest and the way it makes shoddy products and tries to force things on consumers such as rootkits and all that. So I do hope the PS3 fails, but I am just saying that its failure isn't a certainty.
I hate to say it but outselling the DS for one freaken week is not what I call a positive trend, now if it continues that for a few months, I'd say yes. But one week? Also do you really believe rumble will really matter that much, every other console has it.
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Also do you really believe rumble will really matter that much, every other console has it.
Lol she has a good point.
I doubt people who were on the fence about PS3 or say 360 (or maybe even Wii) would go "Man I couldn't decide before but that rumble controller . . . that's the deal breaker for me. PS3 it is!"
Post by: UERD on September 22, 2007, 12:57:42 AM
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That advantage is shortlived though and the more time they waste the more developers will wake up and change their production. Sony's worst case scenario would be a highly anticipated game being released and not selling enough.
Very good points, but as we see there are developers that will support the PS3 even as it sinks to the bottom of the ocean, stubbornly clinging on to the decks as the ship goes bow-up and begins to disappear. Obviously a certain other game console developer has never had this luxury, and probably never will.
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Or is it actually a girl this time?
Surprisingly, I haven't heard much about this game so far. I don't think I've been excited for a FF game since X.
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2007, 11:58:15 AM
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BTW, does the new Final Fantasy main male character look like a girl, too?
Or is it actually a girl this time?
Surprisingly, I haven't heard much about this game so far. I don't think I've been excited for a FF game since X.
From this interview:
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EGM: What can you tell us about the heroine of FFXIII?
Motomu Toriyama: We can't tell you all the details, unfortunately. Looking at the history of the FF series, there were already female main characters, like in FFVI, FFX, and FFX-2. This time, one of the characteristics of this heroine is that she's not that feminine. I tried to make her someone very strong, independent. When I asked Mr. Nomura to design this character, I requested someone like a female version of Cloud from FFVII.
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Yeah, he should have realized that a female version of Cloud is pretty much redundant...
It's not redundant. Cloud has no boobs Like Sheik :P and can't wear dresses.
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