Post by: Jin-X on February 24, 2007, 10:31:39 AM
Matt's blog
I imagine he's talking about 3rd party games, and possibly new IPs for Wii.
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 24, 2007, 10:46:48 AM
Post by: King of Twitch on February 24, 2007, 10:53:01 AM
Reminds me of that early wii remote teaser trailer with the grl flicking the controller and hearing the SMB jump sound; I wonder if they'll try that type of stuff.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 24, 2007, 10:59:13 AM
Post by: Strell on February 24, 2007, 10:59:44 AM
He's always been full of sh*t.
Matt C. "I'm playing a game you don't even know about" = SSX Blur.
I'm not saying SSX Blur isn't pretty cool, because it is, but that's the sort of hyperbole he gives.
You'd think, judging by his comments, that'd we're going to find out there's a huge shitload of awesome third party games coming, and I just have a lot of doubt on it at the moment.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 24, 2007, 11:03:16 AM
Show the guy some respect!
Post by: Artimus on February 24, 2007, 11:18:43 AM
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Matt C. "I'm playing a game you don't even know about" = SSX Blur.
I'm not saying SSX Blur isn't pretty cool, because it is, but that's the sort of hyperbole he gives.
How is that hyperbole? He was, indeed, playing a game we had not heard of.
Post by: Strell on February 24, 2007, 11:21:49 AM
I'm saying he could have just as easily described it as "a series is coming to the Wii from EA," but he chose to dress it up in this mysterious "you've never heard of it at ALL" sort of veil.
Dewy's Adventure? Now that's something I've never heard about.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 24, 2007, 11:38:18 AM
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Hey, he did call DK Bongo Blast and Kirby for the Wii...even though the hints were dropped months before he even mentioned them. Same with Wii Music and Wii health.
Show the guy some respect!
Ooooh, big predictions there... =3
I honestly don't care if he's lying or not...As a matter of fact, I'd rather him lie and hype than bitch...
Post by: Crimm on February 24, 2007, 12:17:22 PM
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Rise of the Robots 2 is in development. I just know it!
I'd buy it. I always wanted another game I could win as long as I held down a button.
Post by: The Omen on February 24, 2007, 12:36:28 PM
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I'd heard of SSX before. Had you not?
I'm saying he could have just as easily described it as "a series is coming to the Wii from EA," but he chose to dress it up in this mysterious "you've never heard of it at ALL" sort of veil.
Dewy's Adventure? Now that's something I've never heard about.
You heard of SSX Blur before it was announced? I think that's the fair analogy. And of course he can't name the company...most of the time the company doesn't want anything known at all.
The fact remains, you had never heard of SSX Blur AT ALL.
Post by: Kairon on February 24, 2007, 12:53:58 PM
He's saying GOOD things about Nintendo!!! ... isn't that enough of a reversal from 2 years ago to be a cause of celebration?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Pittbboi on February 24, 2007, 01:06:22 PM
Hey, a boy's gotta have his pipe dreams
Though of course I'd like it to be some new, epic titles in the works for Wii as well.
Post by: Strell on February 24, 2007, 01:59:09 PM
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I'd heard of SSX before. Had you not?
I'm saying he could have just as easily described it as "a series is coming to the Wii from EA," but he chose to dress it up in this mysterious "you've never heard of it at ALL" sort of veil.
Dewy's Adventure? Now that's something I've never heard about.
You heard of SSX Blur before it was announced? I think that's the fair analogy. And of course he can't name the company...most of the time the company doesn't want anything known at all.
The fact remains, you had never heard of SSX Blur AT ALL.
I meant SSX as a "series from EA" and I'm quite sure you were able to pick up on that, but you're choosing not to for the sake of argument.
Post by: Artimus on February 24, 2007, 02:24:29 PM
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I'd heard of SSX before. Had you not?
I'm saying he could have just as easily described it as "a series is coming to the Wii from EA," but he chose to dress it up in this mysterious "you've never heard of it at ALL" sort of veil.
Dewy's Adventure? Now that's something I've never heard about.
You heard of SSX Blur before it was announced? I think that's the fair analogy. And of course he can't name the company...most of the time the company doesn't want anything known at all.
The fact remains, you had never heard of SSX Blur AT ALL.
I meant SSX as a "series from EA" and I'm quite sure you were able to pick up on that, but you're choosing not to for the sake of argument.
And you're conveniently ignoring the fact that evening mentioning EA or that it's a previous series is likely more than he was allowed to say.
Post by: Kairon on February 24, 2007, 02:45:32 PM
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Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii. Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii. Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii. Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii.
Hey, a boy's gotta have his pipe dreams
Though of course I'd like it to be some new, epic titles in the works for Wii as well.
God, you almost HAD me there! *takes a couple of deep breaths*
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Strell on February 24, 2007, 03:25:17 PM
And when Ubi Soft tells us "we have 12 games in development," and then it turns out 9 of those are ports and the other 3 are 1.5 versions of crap we've already had, then it goes from sounding somewhat cool to a total shafting. If you're going to sit there and tell me Matt is allowed to drum up this kind of hype, then you better be happy when Ubi Soft goes from giving us a potential original game - a new Prince of Persia - to a rehashing of a year old game.
He's done the hyperbole thing in the past. He even acknowledges that he does it all the time in this post.
If there's actually new stuff in the pipeline and not something I've already played before, except now I wave the 'mote instead of hitting B, then I'll give him some more credit.
The Wii isn't the PSP, and I get the feeling that half the time I hear about "unnamed games from unnamed sources," it's a way to cover the fact that what's being discussed isn't worth worrying about to begin with.
Edit: THe more I think about this, the more I see eye to eye with your points. But the fact remains that I'm tired of this yelling-fire-in-a-theatre kind of tactic. If you're going to Perrin Kaplan it up every other time you update your blog, I'm going to stop listening to you. At some point I'm going to take into context how you are saying something rather than simply what it is, and once that is the case, that opens up a lot of possibility of things that are going to piss me off.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 24, 2007, 03:25:38 PM
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Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii. Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii. Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii. Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii.
Hey, a boy's gotta have his pipe dreams
Though of course I'd like it to be some new, epic titles in the works for Wii as well.
Geez, even in fanboy fantasies you are still cynical about Nintendo... :p
You're could've at least said a downgraded port of FFXIII...
Post by: Pittbboi on February 24, 2007, 03:43:05 PM
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Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii. Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii. Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii. Enhanced Final Fantasy XII port for Wii.
Hey, a boy's gotta have his pipe dreams
Though of course I'd like it to be some new, epic titles in the works for Wii as well.
Geez, even in fanboy fantasies you are still cynical about Nintendo... :p
You're could've at least said a downgraded port of FFXIII...
Are you kidding?? If Squeenix ported FFXII over to the Wii I would probably die of a heart attack before I got to play it. I would gladly buy that game again. I don't see Square doing it, but it would be hella nice since FFXIII is pretty much dedicated to the PS3.
And they wouldn't have to downgrade the game. Heck, maybe with the Wii's extra power I can play the game with no damn lag.
Post by: IceCold on February 24, 2007, 03:53:42 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on February 24, 2007, 05:23:32 PM
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Hey, he did call DK Bongo Blast and Kirby for the Wii...even though the hints were dropped months before he even mentioned them. Same with Wii Music and Wii health.
Show the guy some respect!
LOL, no. No, no no. I couldn't believe he treated that like news the other day. Bongo Blast, Paper Mario, and Kirby were all on the Japanese list of Wii games in SEPTEMBER. Maybe Matt never saw that list or forgot about it because he's gone around acting like the news was unofficial until the newest list came out this week.
I know that he talks with developers about things he can't share, and some of those games may die in the can, but this is not an instance of insider info.
Post by: Bloodworth on February 24, 2007, 05:32:57 PM
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If we're going to pretend that journalism now encompasses a fake popularity contest between the other IGN editors, then I hope the entire website fails in the next 5 years.
Ok, at least be a little fair. This is his blog. Even if it is more read than some of the main channels on IGN, the fact remains that it's just personal space to write about whatever gets him excited or upset. He's not pretending that what he writes there is journalism. Otherwise, he'd have posted the story on the site.
Post by: Artimus on February 24, 2007, 06:02:22 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 24, 2007, 06:19:45 PM
I honestly rolled my eyes when I read the news story about the recent press conference where they announced the games and they were like "And we predicted this months ago!".
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 24, 2007, 06:21:56 PM
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Just in case people missed it, I wasn't defending Matt, I was being sarcastic. I do realize that the 2007 games listed hinted at Bongo Blast, Kirby, Super Paper Mario, Wii Music and Wii health. In fact, I think I even made a post about it in here. It was months later that Matt started dropping hints like "You know, Kirby GC might not be dead!" and "DK Bongo blast can still survive on the Wii!".
I honestly rolled my eyes when I read the news story about the recent press conference where they announced the games and they were like "And we predicted this months ago!".
I am so megatonned out that I hardly pay attention to all this hype of "Hot" games in the making, even if it is from Matt. Dissapointment after dissapointment, hype that failed, I don't see how any Nintendo fan could be excited for any big unveilings anymore.
Post by: Kairon on February 24, 2007, 06:24:28 PM
~Carmine "Cai' M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Shift Key on February 24, 2007, 11:00:36 PM
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He's full of sh*t.
He's always been full of sh*t.
QFT. This is nothing new. I'll wait for someone with credibility to get his hands on these "games" and see what they have to say.
Post by: Mario on February 25, 2007, 02:35:39 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on February 25, 2007, 05:55:45 AM
Quotemore like Rise of the Robots 3, as 2 has been released already
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Rise of the Robots 2 is in development. I just know it!
Post by: WalkingTheCow on February 25, 2007, 06:48:01 AM
That's a good thing. Remember, we like the Wii.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 25, 2007, 09:11:29 AM
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Rise of the Robots 2 is in development. I just know it!
Ah but that was the PC version, this new game is going to be a port for consoles.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 25, 2007, 01:00:44 PM
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Hey, he did call DK Bongo Blast and Kirby for the Wii...even though the hints were dropped months before he even mentioned them. Same with Wii Music and Wii health.
He's not "calling" them, though. Calling them is to predict their production, like I did with Mario DDR immediately following the release of Twin Snakes on the GC.
In Matt's case, he has talked to people at Nintendo who told him this crap but he's signed a NDA which says he can't say anything until a certain date.
This is basically his way of saying "I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!!!!"
EDIT: Oh, that was sarcasm...
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I don't gtet all this. You guys must hate Matt or something.
He's saying GOOD things about Nintendo!!! ... isn't that enough of a reversal from 2 years ago to be a cause of celebration?
I'd still see it fit to rag on the bastard for being a fair-weather friend to Nintendo for all those years and only really coming back to their camp now that they're successful.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 25, 2007, 01:51:14 PM
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Hey, he did call DK Bongo Blast and Kirby for the Wii...even though the hints were dropped months before he even mentioned them. Same with Wii Music and Wii health.
He's not "calling" them, though. Calling them is to predict their production, like I did with Mario DDR immediately following the release of Twin Snakes on the GC.
In Matt's case, he has talked to people at Nintendo who told him this crap but he's signed a NDA which says he can't say anything until a certain date.
This is basically his way of saying "I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!!!!"
EDIT: Oh, that was sarcasm...
Yes it was...
Seriously, I thought the "even though the hints were dropped before he even mentioned them" would give it away... :\
Post by: Kairon on February 25, 2007, 02:36:44 PM
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I don't gtet all this. You guys must hate Matt or something.
He's saying GOOD things about Nintendo!!! ... isn't that enough of a reversal from 2 years ago to be a cause of celebration?
I'd still see it fit to rag on the bastard for being a fair-weather friend to Nintendo for all those years and only really coming back to their camp now that they're successful.
He's not a fair-weather friend. He's the prodigal son.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 25, 2007, 02:40:46 PM
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Well since Nintendo's dominating Japan, I'm expecting huge support from all the Japanese third parties. Well at least the smart ones.
Read: Not Capcom.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 25, 2007, 03:55:27 PM
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That's giving him more credit than he deserves.
Frankly, if every job at IGN which is oriented around a particular console is going to be held by a militant fanboy for that console, they should at least have someone manning the Nintendo branch who actually, you know, is loyal to Nintendo and doesn't take every chance he gets to talk about how much better a competitor's system is in comparison.
Matt was all too happy to bash the hell out of Nintendo when they were down but is only now coming around when it's clear that they're going to be the industry leader again.
He's a fair-weather friend.
Post by: Smoke39 on February 25, 2007, 06:00:46 PM
Post by: Artimus on February 25, 2007, 06:59:08 PM
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So you're bashing Matt because... he's not a fanboy?
Naturally.
And the notion of him as a fairweather friend is kind of silly. He was a huge supported of a lot of stuff during the Cube era (his praise of Metroid Prime never ends). He was, however, critical of a lot of stuff. Was he wrong? Maybe. But clearly Nintendo made mistakes. It only makes sense he'd be less critical as they do better. Doing better often means you are doing less wrong.
Post by: couchmonkey on February 26, 2007, 02:25:07 AM
As for these games...yes, these things DO have a way of backfiring on IGN's Nintendo channel (GameCube Castlevania, LOL in peace) so I'm just going to pretend he never said anything. But I think he's going to be proven right no matter what, because any launch year is going to be full of interesting announcements, and this launch year in particular has already had a couple of doozies like Manhunt 2.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 26, 2007, 04:10:38 AM
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Seriously, I thought the "even though the hints were dropped before he even mentioned them" would give it away... :\
I got it. If it's true that he tried to pass that off as some kind of scoop, then that definitely costs him some respect in my eyes. I never visit IGN anymore unless someone links to something interesting, so I'm sure I've missed a lot, but I've found that even when I disagree with Matt, he behaves like a rational human being. I can use what I know about him to filter his words. The rest of IGN is monkeys with typewriters. Maybe some of that can't help but rub off on him. Regardless, even Miss Cleo could predict that some cool, unannounced stuff is coming to the Wii right now.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 04:46:43 AM
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So you're bashing Matt because... he's not a fanboy?
No, because he lacked the spine to defend Nintendo until Nintendo was winning again.
Nintendo's problems last gen stemmed entirely from the fact that they were trying to play the same game as Sony and MS, only they had fewer resources to push around which meant less advertising, less money hats thrown at developers and fewer overall sales. In the last years of the GC's life, they gave up because they were going to be third no matter what and as such they focused their efforts on the next console (the Wii) and the DS. I don't blame them for it because doing so was abandoning a sinking ship.
This gen, they realized that they can't let their image be tainted by other console makers and they can't produce a console without doing SOMETHING which makes them stand out from the other consoles on the market, and they did so with flying colors.
In IGN's case, their other editors are like rabid fanboys for their consoles, often bashing opposing consoles and games they haven't even played. Matt kinda stands out in the fact that he's more level-headed about the console wars, but it's not asking too much to have an editor for Nintendo who won't sing the praises of his PSP and 360 and will only stop when Nintendo's respective consoles are outselling them.
Post by: Artimus on February 26, 2007, 04:59:44 AM
Matt can't win. People love him when he does something they agree with and hate him when he doesn't. Some are even jealous of him. In the end we're just lucky to know that, unlike almost every video game site out there, when he says something he actually means it.
"In IGN's case, their other editors are like rabid fanboys for their consoles, often bashing opposing consoles and games they haven't even played. Matt kinda stands out in the fact that he's more level-headed about the console wars, but it's not asking too much to have an editor for Nintendo who won't sing the praises of his PSP and 360 and will only stop when Nintendo's respective consoles are outselling them. "
Yes it is asking too much. Absolutely is. He admitted he was wrong about the PSP. He wasn't' the handheld editor so he wasn't bashing his system. He supported the Wii BIG TIME form very early on and was singing its praises almost as early as any writer on the web was. He did not change his position on the Wii after it sold well. That's a lie. Lie. Lie. Lie. He was behind it the whole way.
This whole thing is just childish.
"OMGZ MATTZ DOEZNTSZ LIEZ ENOUGHS! FANBOY CANZ HANDLEZ THIZ!!!!!!!!!!!! UGHHHH NINTENDO IS MY GIRLFRIENDZ!!!!!!!!"
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 26, 2007, 05:08:46 AM
But let's play pretend for a bit. Imagine that even though the Wii is an amazing system with great games, it flops. BIG TIME. Would Matt ask WHY the system sold so poorly when its has more than enough charm to attract people or would he blame it on Nintendo and say stuff like "Nintendo is clearly overstaying their welcome" and "they truly don't know how to do things"?
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 05:15:04 AM
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I cannot believe you actually want him to do what he doesn't believe just so he's positive. It has nothing to do with spine. He likes video games and Nintendo just happens to be his favorite console and game maker.
I stopped reading there.
I don't believe that's the case. Matt has just spent far too much time lauding other console makers and their games to the point where I wasn't sure which company he was supposed to be the editor for anymore. The other IGN editors don't do that. We may be able to identify their actions as blind, insecure fanboyism, but at least they're not afraid to say good things about their respective consoles in the face of adversity which in turn will make their readers feel more inclined to try the console.
The point is, the GC probably wouldn't have done so poorly if the media didn't spend so much time crapping on it for not being everything that other consoles were, and that goes double for members of the media who are supposed to support their respective consoles. If Matt had spent more time defending the GC and less time talking about how much more enjoyable Halo was, maybe the console would have done a bit better.
What do you think readers who are on the fence about their console decision are going to think when even the guy who is supposed to be supporting the GC is ragging on it and talking about other consoles and how much better they are?
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He'd be blasting Nintendo to hell, loosing his bladder all over them.
In fact, wasn't he doing that when the Wii remote was first announced? I admit I don't care to keep track of this guy, but back when I was still at IGN during the GC days, I remember quite clearly that he would usually respond to people's questions in the mailbag thread with mostly anti-Nintendo rhetoric. If I didn't know better, I'd think the bastard was being paid by MS to promote the Xbox (technically, I don't know better).
My point is, if he's going to sh*t all over Nintendo for five years, then he forfeits his right to come back and pretend that he knew they'd pull it off the whole time.
I acknowledge Nintendo's mistakes too, and for the most part, I didn't blame them for not realizing that they'd never be able to win by playing the same game as Sony and MS.
But when I first saw the Wiimote, I KNEW Nintendo was onto something. When I first saw the DS, I wanted one, and I immediately saw the potential the system had. I'm not sure about the Wiimote, but I KNOW he ragged on the DS and HARD, of course talking about how much better of a system the PSP was. It wasn't until the DS was trouncing the PSP in the market that he changed his tune.
If the guy is going to turn his back on Nintendo when they're down but going to cheer them on when they're up, then he is a textbook example of a Fair-Weather Friend and I have nothing but contempt for anyone like him who only stands by their convictions when popular opinion dictates that it's "safe" to do so.
Post by: Taija-Herbal on February 26, 2007, 05:18:25 AM
Any game player coulda worked out there'll be quite a number of games in the works.. even gamecube had games that no one knew about.. the question is would they make light off day and also the quantity so far... I'm not really worried.. 5 million wiis sold so far suggest there will be more games on this unit than the cube and that my fellow wiiers is a positive.. Period!........
Post by: Ian Sane on February 26, 2007, 05:47:13 AM
He should only defend Nintendo when it makes sense to. Sometimes they dig their own grave and don't deserve to be defended. He did defend Nintendo a lot more during the N64 days as their problems seemed to be based more on one really key mistake that handcuffed them for the rest of the generation regardless of any good or bad things they did along the way. On the Cube Nintendo was much more frequent in their screwups. They had a weak image from the previous generation and had to be prove to their critics that their last gen was a fluke. But instead they just goofed a lot of stuff up and confirmed all the bias and criticism. How is Matt supposed to defend memory cards that cost the same as the competition but are 1/8 the size? How can that even be defended at all? It makes no sense. Is Matt supposed to defend Nintendo lying to their fans about vague online plans that never showed up? Why should he?
Being a fan isn't the same as being a b!tch. This isn't like a family member that you're somewhat obligated to support and love during tough times. It's just a company making a product for you to buy. If you don't like what they're doing you have the right to complain or just leave outright. Now if you follow the fads then you're a fair-weather friend but that's only the case when what you're a fan off is still doing good stuff but just isn't popular. That's different from someone doing something so poorly that you don't like the results. There's a difference between a struggling team and one where the owner has ruined the team though dumb trades and poor drafting. One has hope for the future and needs your support. The other is destroying something you loved and has taken your support for granted.
I would consider myself a WWF fan but I stopped watching their shows because they quality turned to sh!t and I was no longer being entertained. In fact I found watching the product to be frustrating and annoying as it seemed almost like they were specifically focusing on stuff I didn't like and neglecting stuff I did. Initially I complained and eventually I just stopped watching outright. I still consider myself a fan because the era I liked I still like and if they ever turned things around I'd be back in a second. I'm a fan but I'm not their b!tch. There's a certain level of crap I felt I didn't need to tolerate anymore and that is perfectly acceptable.
So Matt was free to crap on Nintendo when it was justified and is free to just get back into things as they improve.
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No, he isn't.
Matt isn't like you or me: he's a part of the media. His influence is capable of swaying many potential buyers and that includes encouraging people to stick with their Nintendo systems instead of buying other consoles which is what he spent most of his time insisting people do.
There were plenty of reasons to be positive about the GC. The console had a slew of excellent games over its lifespan and anyone who tried them would have considered it a worthy purchase, but I'm sure that many thousands of people DIDN'T try the GC because of pigheaded media members like Matt who don't seem to grasp the concept of defending the company they write about.
This sh*t has a cumulative effect and that's what no one seems to grasp. The GC did so poorly because Nintendo was already being dismissed as the loser by the same media chimps who were supposed to be its fans. When it came time for developers to decide which console to release games on, do you honestly think that media backlash by the very people who are supposed to like the GC didn't play a factor in determining where those games went? Do you think it didn't influence potential GC buyers?
By comparison, the IGN Xbox and PS2 editors could say no wrong about their consoles, even when things were looking bad and I'm sure many readers of IGN chose to buy Xboxes over GCs because the Xbox editor was infinitely more confident in the console than the GC editor. If nothing else, IGN should hire someone who holds Nintendo in the same regard to be the Nintendo editor because then we'd at least see consistency throughout.
For all intents and purposes, the GC should have clobbered the Xbox in sales, but it didn't because of its image and it's gaming media icons like Matt who, instead of defending the console from these criticisms, were too intimidated that they would be labeled as fans of a kiddie console and took every chance they could get to establish that they wanted to be on the winning team and, if that wasn't Nintendo, so be it.
Matt can hate Nintendo behind closed doors all he wants, but if his f*cking job is to be a Nintendo enthusiast, then he should do his job instead of acting like Nintendo would be dead in a few years and hoping that he could land a new job as an Xbox correspondent because that's pretty much how he behaved right up until Nintendo came back into their own again.
When push came to shove and Nintendo's image was on the line, Matt rolled over and played dead instead of trying to defend the company, and I remember seeing many review scores out of the f*cker which were likewise unjust, while the Xbox and PS2 editors almost always padded the reviews they gave even the sh*ttiest of Xbox/PS2 titles.
Yeah, the IGN editors are, for the most part, a bunch of mindless troglodytes who blindly defend their consoles, but they're troglodytes people listen to. Matt, on the other hand, is a jellyfish, buckling at the first hint of pressure.
Given that, for whatever reason, many people have no doubt listened to the reviews and opinions of IGN for their purchasing decisions, I would MUCH rather the Nintendo branch be manned by a troglodyte than a jellyfish.
Post by: Pittbboi on February 26, 2007, 06:59:05 AM
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The GC did so poorly because Nintendo was already being dismissed as the loser by the same media chimps who were supposed to be its fans.
I disagree. The GC did poorly because, from the beginning, it had less games, less variety, and a worse image than the competition. All the media did was play off that. That's like saying the PS3 is doing bad because of the media, while disregarding its multitude of problems.
Nintendo shot themselves in the foot last gen in several areas. It was Nintendo that failed the Gamecube, not the media. Should it be Matt's job to be an honest gaming journalist, or a spin doctor? The truth is that there were plenty more things to celebrate on the PS2 last gen, and eventually even the Xbox. So of course there were going to be more praise from their journalists. Personally, I've never seen Matt bash Nintendo in anything that was by most people considered an undeniable success. There just wasn't as many of them.
I think so many people hate Matt because he doesn't make excuses for Nintendo. But I think it's that same quality of his that makes him one of the most industry-respected journalists in the Nintendosphere.
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When push came to shove and Nintendo's image was on the line, Matt rolled over and played dead instead of trying to defend the company, and I remember seeing many review scores out of the f*cker which were likewise unjust, while the Xbox and PS2 editors almost always padded the reviews they gave even the sh*ttiest of Xbox/PS2 titles.
Wait, so you want Matt to be a dirty journalist? I thought the goal here was honest reporting, not who was better at spin work. I'm personally glad Matt didn't resort to that--it would have been especially hard to with Nintendo tripping over themselves all the time last gen, especially towards the end of the console's life, when just about everything to look forward to on it was pushed to the Wii with some shoddy excuse.
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 26, 2007, 07:04:50 AM
It is solely Nintendo's responsibility to promote itself in such a way to create business for itself.
As such, when people start to believe Nintendo is system for younger gamers and will not have mature games. It is up to Nintendo to change that image, if they so desire.
Matt's only obligation is to report factual news about Nintendo, and to give opinion pieces expressing his view on the industry and Nintendo.
If you disagree with his opinions, writing style, or how he reports the news...you as a consumer can take your business elsewhere. Or, you can stop reading IGN Wii.
That is how a free market works. I am tired of people bashing others for no reason. Matt is a good guy, he works hard to bring us the news and exclusive stories...he has inside sources that most of us will never have, and he deserves more respect than the internet gives him.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 07:09:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi I disagree. The GC did poorly because, from the beginning, it had less games, less variety, and a worse image than the competition. All the media did was play off that. That's like saying the PS3 is doing bad because of the media, while disregarding its multitude of problems.
The problems of the GC were NOWHERE NEAR the problems the PS3 has right now.
And the GC didn't START with that image: it was given that image, largely by Sony and MS who actually ran smear campaigns against the GC (seriously) which preyed upon a potential buyer's insecurity by convincing people it was a console for children.
If the fans of the company don't defend it, no one will.
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I think so many people hate Matt because he doesn't make excuses for Nintendo. But I think it's that same quality of his that makes him one of the most industry-respected journalists in the Nintendosphere.
It's not Matt's failure to make excused for Nintendo which bothers me. It's the fact that he was literally advising people to purchase Xboxes instead of GCs.
It's one thing to say, "Yeah, Nintendo could be doing things better." it's another entirely to say, "You should buy a competing console."
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi Wait, so you want Matt to be a dirty journalist? I thought the goal here was honest reporting, not who was better at spin work. I'm personally glad Matt didn't resort to that--it would have been especially hard to with Nintendo tripping over themselves all the time last gen, especially towards the end of the console's life, when just about everything to look forward to on it was pushed to the Wii with some shoddy excuse.
First of all, there is no JOURNALISM going on at IGN. It's one gigantic spinfest. Whatever brings in the clicks for the advertisers is what IGN will do, and that includes starting rumors like "Nintendo is going to buy Sega" or some other such garbage.
Second, I'd have preferred if Matt would have been FAIR to the games he rated, but he was very often overly critical. At the very least, the company should have some consistency in how its reviewers are going to review games. If the Xbox editor is going to review Xbox games as though they're better games just because they're on the Xbox, then they should either can his ass or every reviewer should treat games the same way, and since every other reviewer DOES treat games that way, the only inconsistency I see is Matt.
Unless the PS2/Xbox editors would occasionally pause in their reviews to say things like "_____ is good, but SSBM is a better fighting game.", then I don't see how people can deny that the reporting for Nintendo was coming from a biased source, considering that Matt pulled sh*t like that all the time.
Did the PS2/Xbox editors even own GCs?
Post by: Kairon on February 26, 2007, 07:09:32 AM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 07:25:28 AM
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I'll say this... I'd much rather Matt than any of the other deluded shoot-from-the-hip gamers who seem to make up the rest of IGN.
But shoot-from-the-hip delusion is what IGN is all about.
Matt should get a job somewhere else where being a level-headed critic isn't out of place.
Post by: Pittbboi on February 26, 2007, 07:25:57 AM
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It's one thing to say, "Yeah, Nintendo could be doing things better." it's another entirely to say, "You should buy a competing console."
Well, this may just be personal opinion, but such was the case last gen (and still a minor fear of mine with the Wii).
Don't get me wrong, I loved my Gamecube, but it was truer on the 'Cube than any other console that if you wanted a more well-rounded gaming experience, you pretty much had to go elsewhere. Want great RPGs? The Cube had a few decent ones, but if you wanted to play the cream of the crop and more variety in general you had to go the PS2. Want a decent platformer other than Mario? You're not going to find it on the Cube, try the PS2. Want online Gameplay? Xbox is for you. Want GTA (a gaming entity all its own last gen)? Not going to find it here. Want a wealth of mature titles? Ha, why do you even own a 'Cube?
The Gamecube had some great, industry-leading, games. But, at the end of the day, there just wasn't enough of them. Gamecube sorely lacked in the variety department, so it really wasn't that blasphemous to recommend buying another console. Can't blame Matt for that.
Post by: BigJim on February 26, 2007, 07:26:29 AM
The GameCube underperformed on its own. It didn't need Matt's help.
Matt is a fan and an editorialist before he is a journalist. There is hardly any journalism anywhere in video games. But even as a fan/editorialist, it's still not his "job" to do positive PR and damage control either.
Post by: Kairon on February 26, 2007, 07:29:35 AM
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I'll say this... I'd much rather Matt than any of the other deluded shoot-from-the-hip gamers who seem to make up the rest of IGN.
But shoot-from-the-hip delusion is what IGN is all about.
Matt should get a job somewhere else where being a level-headed critic isn't out of place.
We hate Matt because he's sticking to some level of decency in a den of sin, and making Nintendo look bad because of his principles???
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Adrock on February 26, 2007, 07:31:39 AM
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And the GC didn't START with that image
I agree with Pittiboi. Nintendo failed the Gamecube first and foremost. They chose to market a purple, lunchbox shaped console. Gamecube started with that image.
With Wii, Nintendo had to completely reinvent their gameplan. I'm glad it's working. No one has to defend them if they make wise decisions. Their actions should speak for themselves.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 07:34:13 AM
The Xbox has absolute sh*t for games, far fewer decent titles than the cube had, and yet it sold better, largely because of image and because people would say good things about while downplaying its faults and failings. The opposite was true of the GC. Instead of playing up its good points, it was ragged on for its failings, and pretty soon, the failings of the GC were just about the only thing spoken about anymore. It became the whipping boy of the gaming industry and I don't think that it deserved such a reputation.
I'm sure the PS3 editor at IGN is doing his level best to play up the good points of the console. He doesn't have to outright lie to people about it, but it's well within his right to point out the positive aspects of it because that's what SPIN is all about, and like it or not, IGN editors are more spin doctors than they'll ever be journalists.
Matt just doesn't GET that fact and that's why I think he shouldn't be working there. He's trying to be a judge when he's supposed to be a defense attorney.
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We hate Matt because he's sticking to some level of decency in a den of sin, and making Nintendo look bad because of his principles???
I didn't say he IS a level-headed critic. I mean that if he's going to try and pretend he's one, he should seek employment elsewhere.
Post by: Kairon on February 26, 2007, 07:34:31 AM
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With Wii, Nintendo had to completely reinvent their gameplan. I'm glad it's working. No one has to defend them if they make wise decisions. Their actions should speak for themselves.
But there are some people who don't like what the actions are saying...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Kairon on February 26, 2007, 07:36:19 AM
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Matt just doesn't GET that fact and that's why I think he shouldn't be working there. He's trying to be a judge when he's supposed to be a defense attorney.
OBJECTION!
Your honor! Defense Attorney was NOT in the witness' job description when he was hired! ... That's MY JOB!!!
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 07:39:35 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJim Matt is a fan and an editorialist before he is a journalist. There is hardly any journalism anywhere in video games. But even as a fan/editorialist, it's still not his "job" to do positive PR and damage control either.
Then why does EVERY OTHER EDITOR do PR-level damage control for their respective consoles?
I don't know or care if its his "job" or not, to be honest. All I know is that every other editor does it so Matt should be doing it as well, not adding to the problem by turning his back on Nintendo and advising people against purchasing a GC (which, like I said, I never once regretted doing).
And yes, I think the fact that he's more pro-Nintendo right now is because he isn't afraid of looking bad for supporting them anymore, and I will not, CANNOT, respect someone who allows fear to dictate their actions in a situation like that.
Post by: BigJim on February 26, 2007, 07:40:55 AM
Why are other editors doing PR damage control?
Answer: They shouldn't be, IMO. If it's their genuine opinion, then that might be one thing. But if they're doing blind PR then Matt has it more right than they do as far as I see it. That's not a compliment to Matt necessarily or his opinions. But I'll respect genuine opinions over PR anyday.
Post by: Pittbboi on February 26, 2007, 07:44:41 AM
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The Xbox has absolute sh*t for games, far fewer decent titles than the cube had, and yet it sold better, largely because of image and because people would say good things about while downplaying its faults and failings.
Xbox was the whipping boy at the beginning of last gen. People started to take it seriously when good games actually started being made on it.
Xbox had far fewer titles than the Gamecube did, but I'm pretty sure that if you look at the quality game to Disney-licensed filler crap ratio, it's a lot more favorable on the Xbox. Xbox did a much better job of covering its bases last gen than the Xbox did. There was more than one great game for every genre on that system. That, and the Xbox introduced Xbox Live, which was a MAJOR selling point. Xbox didn't sell better than the Cube because of Spin. At the end of the day, I hate to say it, but the system had less faults.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 07:45:50 AM
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His "job" is to speak his mind. Be it good, bad or ugly.
Then IGN should get someone else who fits in with the rest of the spin doctors.
I'm guessing one of the reasons Matt was so pro-Xbox back in the day was because MS probably sent all of the IGN editors free Xboxes, just like they did with the game store clerks when the Xbox first launched. If that's all it took to buy his loyalty, then the guy is an even bigger shmuck than I thought. I hope they at least also "donated" some money to IGN, otherwise the price of his dignity was around $300.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 07:51:13 AM
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Xbox was the whipping boy at the beginning of last gen. People started to take it seriously when good games actually started being made on it.
Xbox had far fewer titles than the Gamecube did, but I'm pretty sure that if you look at the quality game to Disney-licensed filler crap ratio, it's a lot more favorable on the Xbox. Xbox did a much better job of covering its bases last gen than the Xbox did. There was more than one great game for every genre on that system. That, and the Xbox introduced Xbox Live, which was a MAJOR selling point. Xbox didn't sell better than the Cube because of Spin. At the end of the day, I hate to say it, but the system had less faults.
I disagree. The Xbox came in second because both Sony and MS had taken steps to slight the GC's image and IMAGE is quite possibly the biggest contributing factor to the Wii's sales right now.
Does anyone remember the flash animations which used to be on Xbox.com in which a bunch of Nintendo's characters were killed? Or Bill Gates' comments about how Nintendo was going to "have a hard time selling to anyone but the under 10 market"? And does anyone remember that MS was paying 3rd parties to not release multiplatform games on the GC?
People are quick to say, "Oh, Nintendo did it to themselves." but they don't take into consideration how immensely difficult it is to compete in a poker game with a deck that is literally stacked against you. They're competing against two giants with near-infinite piles of money to burn on advertising, moneyhatting, anti-money hatting to keep games off the GC and even smear campaigns.
And yet, assclowns like Matt are more than happy to kick Nintendo when they're losing a battle they couldn't possibly win, where the only thing they were truly guilty of was playing the game and believing it would be played fairly by their competitors as well.
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The Xbox has absolute sh*t for games, far fewer decent titles than the cube had, and yet it sold better
Well, that's subjective. Xbox had Halo and everyone and their mother wanted a piece of that ass. Gamecube, on the other hand, didn't really have a real console defining game. There was no game made people say "I'm buying Gamecube because I want to play..." Don't get me wrong. I loved my Gamecube and I certainly believe that it had some very strong titles, but what defined it as a console was the fact that it was primarily a Nintendo fan's console.
Every console has its failings, but it's the console makers responsibility to get around them as best they can. Nintendo never really did anything about them during the Gamecube's life. They made a few half-assed attempts, but something like Twin Snakes wasn't going to reverse the console's fortunes.
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 26, 2007, 08:31:49 AM
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Well, that's subjective. Xbox had Halo and everyone and their mother wanted a piece of that ass. Gamecube, on the other hand, didn't really have a real console defining game. There was no game made people say "I'm buying Gamecube because I want to play..."
Have you forgotten about Smash Bros Melee? That game defined the Gamecube just as much as Halo defined the X-Box. The game sold over 6.5 million copies worldwide and considering the Gamecube sold around 20 million units, that means 1/3 of all Gamecube owners own Smash Bros. You can't get any more defining then that.
Post by: Jin-X on February 26, 2007, 08:41:56 AM
But SB, you have to admit that Nintendo made it soooooooooo easy for Sony and MS to make them look like a kiddy console by their decisions like: purple box and changing Zelda (regardless of where you stand on WW, the switcheroo from Space World footage to cel-shading did MUCH more damage than people seem to realize).
Also I disagree almost entirely with you on Matt. You just want to some piece of crap editor to run the Nintendo site , just like those worthless guys on the PS and XBX sites. And the way they act like Sony and MS employees is one of the reasons I don't know nearly as much about their games as I do Nintendo's because I just don't visit their respective IGN sites because I know they're a sorry excuse for journalists.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 08:49:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Jin-X But SB, you have to admit that Nintendo made it soooooooooo easy for Sony and MS to make them look like a kiddy console by their decisions like: purple box and changing Zelda (regardless of where you stand on WW, the switcheroo from Space World footage to cel-shading did MUCH more damage than people seem to realize).
I agree that it did plenty of damage.
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Also I disagree almost entirely with you on Matt. You just want to some piece of crap editor to run the Nintendo site , just like those worthless guys on the PS and XBX sites. And the way they act like Sony and MS employees is one of the reasons I don't know nearly as much about their games as I do Nintendo's because I just don't visit their respective IGN sites because I know they're a sorry excuse for journalists.
I just want him to grow a spine and unless Matt openly calls out the other editors when they try to rag on Nintendo in the middle of one of those podcasts they do (I can't be bothered to listen to them, I just don't care), then he hasn't done that yet.
Post by: Bloodworth on February 26, 2007, 09:01:23 AM
Post by: j_moose on February 26, 2007, 09:03:55 AM
It's Matt's job to cover the system, not support the system 100%. It's not his job to be a Nintendo fan. Just because he isn't sugar coating problems, issues, etc. does not mean he's not a Nintendo fan. If things are going rough, why not say so? He's supposed to be an editor at a video game site, not a fanboy. I enjoy and respect the fact that he's not afraid to say "hey, Nintendo is screwing up on this one" or "for this and this reason, an XBOX might be a better choice". He wasn't "bashing" Nintendo - but the company faltered with the Cube, and he was not afraid to bring the faults to light and discuss them. I am glad that I didn't have to visit the IGN Cube site every day only to read nothing but shining praise for Nintendo, when clearly they had made mistakes. Being a video game company, they know they're under the spotlight (especially with gaming media), which makes the mistakes all the less immune to extreme criticism. I do not want to go to a video game website and read a bunch of stories that are written for the purpose of "supporting" the system or making it look good - I want to read about the system, what's going good and what's going bad. Matt isn't jumping on the "I love Nintendo" bandwagon - he's been there all along. Just because there were problems to point out on the Cube does not mean that he abandoned the company. It means that there were problems to point out.
I don't think he lacked the spine to defend Nintendo - he gave credit where credit was due, and he criticized where that was due as well. And of course the media is going to have an effect on the image, etc. of a console - however, in my opinion they bring out the problems with the console/company, not create new ones. If Matt's influence can sway buyers, that's all the more reason to express the negatives as well as the positives. If not, then to me it's just like reviewing a terrible game, and saying "the disc comes in a case, and the game runs, plus it's for GameCube so give it a shot!". Pointing out the negatives is just as important as pointing out the positives.
Case in point: it's my opinion that the media magnifies the moves that the company makes, and the image that the company creates (whether that image was created on purpose or not). Therefore, whatever is magnified, started with the company. I like being able to go to IGN (Cube and Wii, anyway), and hear what is going wrong AND what is going right. Feed me some negativity - if it's not a lie, then that's what I came there to read in the first place. And for the record, Matt did acknowledge with the Wii that Nintendo was on to something, but was cautiously optimistic about it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 09:18:44 AM
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Blah blah blah. Matt stands up and speaks his mind most of the time and he did call out the other editors after the best of the year awards.
Referencing it and calling it wrong while replying to a letter from a fan is just about the most non-confrontational way of dealing with it. He had to wait until some kid sent him a letter about it before he voiced his opinion on the subject? What a b*tch!
Hell, the only more pansy method would have been to write an unsigned letter, leave it up on the IGN company bulletin board and then leave the country due to fear of retaliation.
If he was in the podcast and someone who he KNEW to have only played Zelda for 10 minutes ragged on it, and he didn't put them in their place immediately, then I'm sorry: the man has no spine.
It's the EASIEST and most righteous argument in the WORLD to win:
"Did you play the game for more than 10 minutes?"
"No."
"Then SHUT YER GREASY MOUTH."
The man is a jellyfish, terrified of his peers at the company and incapable of any real confrontation to defend his views and tastes, and until he actually stands up for Nintendo in the face of one of the mouth-breating 360 or PS3 editors, then my opinion of him will...not...change.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 26, 2007, 09:21:02 AM
Imagine that Nintendo is your best friend. You've been together since childhood, you trust each other and greatly enjoy each other's company. But then one day something happens, your friend makes some mistakes (does some drugs one night, gets arrested) or is framed by someone else (a bitter rival, girlfriend etc.). Because of that your friend's reputation has been tarnished severely and people don't want to associate with him or her. The rep is so strong that you don't want to be associated with your friend. You even go as far as to diss them completely when they seek your company and act as if that person never existed.
Then all of a sudden, the friend does something so great that people acknowledge them as being a great person. Because of that now you go back to them and say that you are friends once more.
This is what happened with Matt and Nintendo.
Forgive my bluntness, but you are not getting it. Yes, he did call out some of Nintendo's mistakes and frankly some of those mistakes are too obvious to be ignored. But it's VERY hard to deny that Matt was painfully unfair with Nintendo and the GC, never giving credit where credit was due. What S_B is talking about is that Matt didn't defend Nintendo when they needed them and turned his back on them after the end of the GC, but now that Nintendo is the darling of the industry he goes back and sings his praises like they were always full of great ideas.
Yes, we all know Nintendo did many mistakes during the N64 and GC eras that caused them great failures. But we are not talking about THAT. We are talking about loyal to the company, especially when everyone else decides to mock them for the hell of it.
So S_B is not talking about pointing out mistakes in a company's lifetime or blindly supporting them, he is talking about being loyal to your company, even if they are the most picked on of them all, especially if they are still good at what they do.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 26, 2007, 09:42:55 AM
I think it's better for someone in the media to give an honest opinion. Too often I see the media trying to trick us into supporting inferior products or sway us into forming a specific opinion. Honesty in the media is rare and we should always be supportive of it.
If the media had any affect on the Cube's performance Matt isn't the sole person to blame. He could never make or break a console on his own.
And Nintendo sunk the Cube before it was even released. Nintendo had an negative k!ddy image and they responded by releasing a purple lunchbox and taking their most respected franchise and turning it into a cartoon. That just demonstrated how incredibly clueless they were regarding marketing and that would have sealed the Cube's fate alone, regardless of lying about non-existent online plans or any questionable methods of doing routine stuff. The actual goof-ups just made things worse. Who would push Luigi's Mansion as the flagship title over Rogue Leader? One game is "k!ddy" and has about a weekend's worth of playtime while the other has a strong brand that is suitable for kids but appeals to teenagers and adults and the is also a better game with more replay. To anyone but Nintendo the choice was obvious.
Plus people like Matt are largely unknown to the general public anyway. People finding out the Cube didn't have DVD support when the other consoles did probably lost more sales than Matt not giving game higher scores than they should have.
And I don't think Matt was that down on Nintendo until the Cube became a barren wasteland with whole months going by with literally no games released. The Cube was already abandoned by Nintendo by the time Matt finally started really ragging on Nintendo.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 09:49:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane I think it's better for someone in the media to give an honest opinion. Too often I see the media trying to trick us into supporting inferior products or sway us into forming a specific opinion.
I agree, but that's where the problem lies: IGN isn't ABOUT honest opinions, it's about being a rabid fanboy for your console of choice and every editor with the exception of Matt does JUST that.
The result is that the strength on the Nintendo "front" is weak, which is why IGN is still largely anti-Nintendo despite the fact that they're poised to take the home and portable markets right now. If I were Matt, every time someone said anything negative about Nintendo, I'd inundate them with a barrage of sales figures, facts and other retaliatory maneuvers until it shut them right up. Right now, he has ALL the ammo he could ever need to do this: the DS is still a raging runaway success and the Wii outsold the 360 and PS3 (almost COMBINED) in January, despite console shortages. That whole place should be cowering in fear of Nintendo, not continuing to shellac the company at any chance that arises.
IGN is nothing but a giant, raging fanboy war. If Matt is trying all of the other consoles and being over critical of Nintendo, he's missing the goddamn point.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 26, 2007, 10:29:50 AM
So should Matt quit his job to help make IGN more uniformly terrible?
Besides if the DS and Wii are kicking ass right now who cares if IGN comes across as anti-Nintendo? Most sites just suck up to the leaders so as Nintendo does better many of the old "anti-Nintendo" sites will become more pro-Nintendo because that will be the "in thing" to do.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on February 26, 2007, 10:49:40 AM
SHOCK. I also have an insider hint that more good games will be made for DS, let's turn that into a thread. =)
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 11:25:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane So should Matt quit his job to help make IGN more uniformly terrible?
No, he should defend the company instead of hiding from confrontation like the smallest kid in the playground.
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Besides if the DS and Wii are kicking ass right now who cares if IGN comes across as anti-Nintendo? Most sites just suck up to the leaders so as Nintendo does better many of the old "anti-Nintendo" sites will become more pro-Nintendo because that will be the "in thing" to do.
Since the thread is about Matt, this is how I feel on the subject, but yes, I imagine that eventually even IGN will have to change their tune. Maybe THEN Matt won't be so afraid of defending Nintendo that he might actually do so on occasion, and to the faces of others as opposed to hidden in the Wii mailbag thread where the other editors probably don't read what he writes.
Post by: Adrock on February 26, 2007, 11:30:30 AM
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Luigi Dude wrote:
Have you forgotten about Smash Bros Melee?
I consider Super Smash Bros. a Nintendo fan's wet dream. They fall asleep, dream of Mario uppercutting Link and whoops, gotta change the undies...
It didn't necessarily define the Gamecube so much as reaffirm Nintendo fandom. I saw Xbox benefitting much more from Halo than Gamecube did Melee.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 26, 2007, 11:37:07 AM
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Luigi Dude wrote:
Have you forgotten about Smash Bros Melee?
I consider Super Smash Bros. a Nintendo fan's wet dream. They fall asleep, dream of Mario uppercutting Link and whoops, gotta change the undies...
It didn't necessarily define the Gamecube so much as reaffirm Nintendo fandom. I saw Xbox benefitting much more from Halo than Gamecube did Melee.
Not to mention the Smash Brothers series being slightly overrated.
::hides::
Post by: Bloodworth on February 26, 2007, 12:11:18 PM
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No, he should defend the company instead of hiding from confrontation like the smallest kid in the playground.
That's under this super-deranged view that the purpose of IGN is to hold pissing matches between the channels. In reality, there's no reason for Matt to waste his time. His office isn't even in the same city as those guys.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 12:32:33 PM
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That's under this super-deranged view that the purpose of IGN is to hold pissing matches between the channels
Considering all it has ever been is one giant fan-based pissing match, uhh, yeah: that would definitely SEEM to be the purpose behind IGN's existence. I think someone at the company realized that conflict brings more people to the site than everyone agreeing with each other. The entire site is kinda meant to be a spectacle that way: it's like the gaming version of WWE or something, just with editors instead of wrestlers and dramatically more homoerotica.
The end result is more hits for advertisers and that's what keeps the place afloat.
I know where you're coming from on the matter, Blood, I just think you're giving IGN substantially more credit than it deserves.
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Not to mention Elebits being obnoxiously overrated.
Fixed.
Post by: Artimus on February 26, 2007, 02:49:28 PM
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That's under this super-deranged view that the purpose of IGN is to hold pissing matches between the channels
Considering all it has ever been is one giant fan-based pissing match, uhh, yeah: that would definitely SEEM to be the purpose behind IGN's existence. I think someone at the company realized that conflict brings more people to the site than everyone agreeing with each other. The entire site is kinda meant to be a spectacle that way: it's like the gaming version of WWE or something, just with editors instead of wrestlers and dramatically more homoerotica.
The end result is more hits for advertisers and that's what keeps the place afloat.
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Not to mention Elebits being obnoxiously overrated.
Fixed.
So...you feel IGN is horrible because it's a pissing match between channels. Yet you also feel Matt is horrible because he doesn't take part in something you consider horrible? I'm pretty sure that qualifies you as a complete and total moron.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 03:05:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus So...you feel IGN is horrible because it's a pissing match between channels. Yet you also feel Matt is horrible because he doesn't take part in something you consider horrible?
When did I say that IGN was horrible? It serves its purpose as a hotbed arena for fanboy wars admirably. I used to be a mod at IGN, I know ALL about how the place works.
I also never said Matt was horrible: it's just that he's a spineless fair-weather friend who has no right to claim that he's a Nintendo fan, not unless he grows a pair and actually defends Nintendo from the other editors (not that it would be hard to do at this point in time, though).
Post by: Guitar Smasher on February 26, 2007, 03:36:31 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 26, 2007, 04:11:33 PM
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I think you're forgetting the GOTY awards special where he pretty much calls them out on their idiocy.
Great point, personally I have always thought Matt has stood up to the other editors and that GOTY awards was a prime example.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 26, 2007, 04:26:39 PM
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I think you're forgetting the GOTY awards special where he pretty much calls them out on their idiocy.
Did he do that to their faces or was that the case where he spoke about it in a reply to a mailbag letter afterwards?
I haven't heard the GOTY special but I've only seen Matt's "rebuttal" referenced in the mailbag episode, which makes it not really a rebuttal at all.
Did he say DURING the podcast/roundtable that they were idiots? If so, then I retract my statement about growing a spine, but the "fair-weather friend" statement stays.
Post by: TrueNerd on February 26, 2007, 05:04:54 PM
S_B, you're greatly overplaying Cassamassina's role in the downfall of the 'Cube. So what if he didn't play cheerleader? So what if he told people to buy an Xbox instead? Do you think any of that actually mattered? Even if he did play the role of the Nintendo Defender last gen, do you think the 'Cube would have sold even one more unit? I don't. I appreciate Matt's honesty; hell, I even respect it. Would you prefer it if he declared connectivity as the greatest innovation ever and that the two year software drought to close out the GameCube's life was a good thing, just because Nintendo was doing it? No! Then he's just another fanboy that no one should listen to and if people are actually tricked by the "journalists" at IGN, well that's too damn bad. Spreading around stupidity and over-hyping/over-scoring mediocre games is NOT the way I want Nintendo to "win" the console wars, and I very much do not believe that that's the only way to do so.
Post by: Kairon on February 26, 2007, 05:29:00 PM
Something about Sunshine... hmmm
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Post by: Artimus on February 26, 2007, 05:29:52 PM
Post by: Pittbboi on February 26, 2007, 06:06:35 PM
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BTW, Kotaku has confirmed that surprising EA title that totally defied expectations. It's in their SSX Blur hands-on impressions.
Something about Sunshine... hmmm
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I dunno...them describing the game as having something to do with "sunshine" and being for the "wii crowd" definitely doesn't fill me with excitement--especially since people only really use the terms "wii crowd" or "Nintendo gamers" or anything of the like when they're describing Nintendo's own games or, well...kiddie and/or non-gamer games. It could be fun, but the hints definitely don't scream "Wii's next great epic title". I expect another superficial offering that my grandmother will be able to play along with my 11 year sister.
Post by: IceCold on February 26, 2007, 06:17:44 PM
EDIT: And I'll definitely be getting SSX Blur.
Post by: Bloodworth on February 26, 2007, 06:44:02 PM
IceCold has always wanted to go to L'Hôtel de Glace.
Post by: Kairon on February 26, 2007, 07:42:31 PM
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I expect another superficial offering that my grandmother will be able to play along with my 11 year sister.
Why do you hate your family so much? /cry
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Post by: Kairon on February 26, 2007, 08:45:16 PM
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I dunno...them describing the game as having something to do with "sunshine" ... definitely doesn't fill me with excitement
OMG... Pittboi... are you a vampire???
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 26, 2007, 08:56:34 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 27, 2007, 12:32:26 AM
Post by: ryancoke on February 27, 2007, 02:36:08 AM
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Maybe the game is Golden Sun for Wii.
I think Camelot is busy working on some online golf game or something. Maybe nintendo will get some other studio on it.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 27, 2007, 11:12:12 AM
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Do you think any of that actually mattered? Even if he did play the role of the Nintendo Defender last gen, do you think the 'Cube would have sold even one more unit? I don't.
Actually, yeah, I'm quite certain that there were probably quite a few people who saw how negatively of a light he put the cube in and didn't purchase one accordingly. Statistically, considering IGN's traffic, it would be impossible NOT to know this is the case.
Positive internet buzz encourages people to do things. They feel safer in purchasing decisions and more justified in not buying other products if other sources (in this case, the internet) has advised against it.
But that's not even the point I'm making here. Yeah, Matt's negativity probably steered people away from the cube, but it's the fact that he was so willing to change his tune when Nintendo was back on the up and up which makes his lack of a spine and the fact that he isn't even a Nintendo fan at all so blatantly obvious.
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Would you prefer it if he declared connectivity as the greatest innovation ever and that the two year software drought to close out the GameCube's life was a good thing, just because Nintendo was doing it? No! Then he's just another fanboy that no one should listen to and if people are actually tricked by the "journalists" at IGN, well that's too damn bad. Spreading around stupidity and over-hyping/over-scoring mediocre games is NOT the way I want Nintendo to "win" the console wars, and I very much do not believe that that's the only way to do so.
No, I would prefer that Matt do what any sensible fan of a particular brand would do: acknowledge the failings but give due credit for the successes, and that's something that, between spending most of a GC mailbag thread talking about Halo and bashing the DS in favor of his PSP, Matt apparently never found time to do.
It is possible to accentuate the good while acknowledging the bad and STILL make a compelling argument: I know this because I PERSONALLY did this many times in defense of Nintendo and their GC and it's a pretty safe bet that ANYONE who is reading this sentence has also done the same, what with this formerly being "Planet Gamecube" and all.
But rather than make that kind of compelling argument Matt chose the easy way out which was to make it blatantly clear that he preferred the Xbox and all of its offerings. I don't know if he did this due to fear because he knew he couldn't make the same compelling argument or because he just preferred the Xbox and its games. Either way, he is NOT a Nintendo fan. His primary console of choice was the Xbox for those years and that's why I find this act of crawling back to Nintendo so laughably pathetic.
Bottom line: the man is either a coward or a fair-weather friend, or a deplorable mix of both. I think any sensible person would agree that the reporting and reviewing about Nintendo games should be done by someone who is ACTUALLY a fan of Nintendo, rather than someone who pretends to be when it's socially acceptable due to Nintendo's newfound popularity, or when it allows him to scam a paycheck from a company who doesn't really care WHAT he says about Nintendo in the first place.
He praised the Xbox because it was perceived as better than the GC. He praised the PSP because he believed it would crush the DS, and I sincerely hope the crow he ate as a result never stopped pecking and clawing up his esophagus as it went down.
How can anyone say he isn't just a drifter, devoid of conviction, willing to cling to the current market leader because it makes him feel better about himself? I've known plenty of people who are smug about the brands they buy and how their "brand" does (I did a podcast about just this topic). Some people will support the winning side, mostly just because they lack the conviction to stand up for their beliefs when those beliefs run counter to popular standards.
Listen to REAL Nintendo fans, not some shmuck who lacks the balls to defend Nintendo when they're not the market leader.
Post by: Kairon on February 27, 2007, 11:14:41 AM
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 27, 2007, 11:23:51 AM
I wish. He probably makes way better money than me.
But I'm better looking.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 27, 2007, 11:25:55 AM
But no, because I've never once seen Ian praise the Xbox or Halo, and if he were Matt, that's all we'd ever hear about.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 27, 2007, 11:28:16 AM
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He actually lost a lot of weight, apparently, because he used to be quite big back in the day. I'll give him credit that that's hard to do.
But no, because I've never once seen Ian praise the Xbox or Halo, and if he were Matt, that's all we'd ever hear about.
Yeah but Xbox is a great system!
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 27, 2007, 11:31:25 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix Yeah but Xbox is a great system!
I love my Xbox: I hacked it and modded it to be a media center so my friends and I could download media we want to watch, upload it and watch it on a TV with ease.
But I agree that it had some good games. In fact, I liked Halo. I'm not arguing that it was a good game, but unlike Matt, I've found it is ENTIRELY possible to write reviews for Nintendo games WITHOUT comparing them to Halo or the Xbox. Fancy that!
Post by: Kairon on February 27, 2007, 12:25:10 PM
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Post by: Deguello on March 02, 2007, 05:31:01 AM
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Maybe Matt is secretly IanSane?
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That would certainly make a lot of sense.
Post by: The Omen on March 02, 2007, 05:38:02 AM
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Maybe Matt is secretly IanSane?
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That would certainly make a lot of sense.
And Deguello is secretly RMC. ;0
Post by: Deguello on March 02, 2007, 05:42:22 AM
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