Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 11, 2007, 07:18:24 AM
The Jedi master speaks here...
I like how Kaplan states that if people are going to get mad at Manhunter on the Wii they should blame it all on Rockstar. I think they are just avoiding being sucked into the controversy like what happened to Sony during the GTA controversy.
Post by: Kairon on February 11, 2007, 07:25:29 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I like how Kaplan states that if people are going to get mad at Manhunter on the Wii they should blame it all on Rockstar.
I think that's a HUGE third party relations gaffe. HUGE.
I don't think *Rockstar can be very happy about Nintendo implicitly connecting their name with controversy before the game is even out, indirectly suggesting that people get mad at *rockstar, and basically leaving this pioneering third party publisher on the Wii high and dry.
BADLY DONE Perrin. Badly done.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: denjet78 on February 11, 2007, 07:34:01 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I like how Kaplan states that if people are going to get mad at Manhunter on the Wii they should blame it all on Rockstar.
I think that's a HUGE third party relations gaffe. HUGE.
I don't think *Rockstar can be very happy about Nintendo implicitly connecting their name with controversy before the game is even out, indirectly suggesting that people get mad at *rockstar, and basically leaving this pioneering third party publisher on the Wii high and dry.
BADLY DONE Perrin. Badly done.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Not really. Rockstar are the KINGS of controversy. I don't see Nintendo distancing themselves from a possible backlash as a bad thing. Besides, I doubt it even matters. Nintendo's already been sued over the more recent GTA titles, none of which have even seen the light of day on a Nintendo platform.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 11, 2007, 07:37:27 AM
It's like calling a 700 lb man "fat": at some point, even HE has to give up and admit it.
Post by: Strell on February 11, 2007, 07:47:50 AM
I mean everytime she talks I get annoyed or pissed. "We'll have component in the stores on launch." "It'll be region free." Those were huge things (to the gaming community) and you completely trainwreck'd both of dems. I wasn't too happy with the VC games = coffee prices thing either.
I think Reggie needs to train a dark order under his most holy of names. I will be your first Reggienaut, and I will kill with discretion in the form of audible marketspeak.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 11, 2007, 07:50:47 AM
I like that.
Post by: Blue Plant on February 11, 2007, 08:04:11 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 11, 2007, 08:10:23 AM
Sony at least is known for games like this. But I wouldn't be surprise if people put part of the blame on Nintendo because of the squeaky clean image they have on the gaming industry.
Post by: EasyCure on February 11, 2007, 08:45:31 AM
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GameSpy: Well, the first Manhunt was a very violent game. One of our editors still cries himself to sleep thinking about it. Do you anticipate any negative backlash?
Perrin Kaplan: I don't think so, but we have been going back and forth on it in terms of what it means to our audience. But it's not our game, it's Rockstar's game, and if the press decides to direct its anger somewhere, it should be towards them, as it's their content. It's also not the kind of game that most gamers are going to buy, it's for a very specific audience.
my first impression of this before reading the actual quote and going by what the poster stated was that it would be very negative towards Rockstar but its not. BluePlant said it best with his cd player analogy. im not condoning her tho because she has made some pretty stupid remarks but i dont think this is something to get worked up about. she shouldnt of said it for the sole sake of no tarnishing 3rd party relations, but i dont see Rockstar backing out of making the game.
what i thought was really messed up was this quote:
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Gamespy:So, the PlayStation 3 launch coincided with the Wii launch. What kind of impact did that have on your success? Did it help the Wii? Was it a non-factor?
Perrin Kaplan: Well, we didn't have anyone in line that got shot waiting for our system. So there's one sign of the different approaches between our two companies. I think that there were really two different audiences. The core gamer probably went out and tried to purchase both systems. I think Sony's efforts were in trying to get the core gamer to accept and adopt it, which for them in the PS2 era, spread to the mass consumer. I think we were just really prepared. Years of experience doing this ensured that we would have a very good launch
ouch.. just ouch. that line could lead to a whole mess of problems..
Post by: Ceric on February 11, 2007, 08:51:37 AM
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We're in awe that consumers have embraced it so readily, and that such a wide audience has embraced it, from core gamers to their grandmas.
No. You should never say that you are in "awe" of the success of your system. Shows no confidence in your product. You can be impressed or glad to see that it has exceeded projections.
Don't act surprised about the great attachment. Talk about how strong that makes the product.
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...and Mario Kart for the Nintendo DS is an excellent example of Nintendo's online gaming that almost everyone is playing.
Weak Sauce.
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We're trying to launch about ten a month, and every Monday we've launched Virtual Console products, about three or four a week. We're going to stick to that and start building a huge library.
Let's see here if we go by the low number per week we should get on average 12 a month. So if there sticking to 10 a month then thats only 2.5 games a week. Which number should we believe? Either way thats a little slow.
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...we love it since it's all so damn funny.
Crude. Not Family Friendly.
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They can go on eBay, though! I know there are some people who are trying to sell their PS3 on eBay so that they can buy a Wii…
Jab. Though I thought she said she wasn't going to do that.
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The Game Boy has not disappeared, but we're concentrating on the DS due to the popularity of the dual screen, the different colors and the DS Lite redesign. But Game Boy is something that is precious and dear to Nintendo, and we plan to continue to support it.
DS Lite redesign, Yes. Bad thing I don't really trust her as a source.
All in all I still don't particularly like her.
Edit: I've said for a long time. She must be really good at paper work type things. I just think she shouldn't be in a possession where she does interviews like this.
Post by: utarefsoN on February 11, 2007, 09:16:54 AM
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Oh please... Rockstar's (no asterisk) claim to fame IS controversy. And she's absolutely right. To me, that's the same as blaming a CD player for playing a questionable CD.
im in agreement with you. But as devils advocate cd delevopers/manufactures, artis etc do not pay a royalty to CD player manufactures. To make a game for the rev (wii) a developer need Nintendos consent and payment to nintendo for every game they sell. This is how controversy will be imputed (blamed) on nintendo. She made her comment expressly for that reason, its their game so dont blame us. That is exactly what nintendos attorneys will be saying in court. Might as well start it now to avoid the cost of having to go to court in the first place.
Post by: Pittbboi on February 11, 2007, 09:30:14 AM
Post by: Adrock on February 11, 2007, 10:07:44 AM
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Strell wrote:
This woman...sigh. I don't want to say she needs to be fired (as I'm sure she needs a means of support), but they have got to stop letting her talk to people. She needs to be relegated into an office where she makes TPS reports all day and plans the weekly employee birthday party.
Yeah, I've never been a fan of Perrin Kaplan. She's really one of Nintendo's worst PR drones.
It's pretty hard for Nintendo to separate themselves from any possible Manhunt 2 backlash. They not only allowed the game on Wii, but negotiated for it. Rockstar knows what they're getting into by creating the content that they do. This is their game and the responsibility is mainly on their shoulders. However, Nintendo should be a bit more supportive.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 11, 2007, 10:40:00 AM
She's this little bitch that has such a way with worlds, and can be very cynical and sarcastic at times.
In fact, this is how she really looks like:
I'm sure that when no one's looking she rides Reggie like a wolf...
"Come on Mr. Regginator!"
Post by: Adrock on February 11, 2007, 10:44:48 AM
Post by: Ceric on February 11, 2007, 10:45:57 AM
Blasphemer.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 11, 2007, 10:55:08 AM
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Except that at some point, you like Midna.....
Rumor has it that Miyamoto and Aonuma looked at Kaplan and said to each other; "You know, Kaplan would make a great Zelda character!"
"Yeah, let's turn her into this sassy, sarcastic little imp that bosses Link around in the most evil way possible!"
"But we need to make one adjustment...she must be likeable!"
Post by: Bloodworth on February 11, 2007, 11:39:26 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Go Nintendo posted a very interesting Perrin Kaplan interview.
Why are people constantly giving credit to GoNintendo for articles when they aren't the source? We don't need subversive advertising in these forums.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 11, 2007, 11:57:10 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Go Nintendo posted a very interesting Perrin Kaplan interview.
Why are people constantly giving credit to GoNintendo for articles when they aren't the source? We don't need subversive advertising in these forums.
First of all, I'm the one that constantly mentions Go Nintendo. Second, I don't do it to advertise their site, I do it because they happen to have news, stories and events that I find interesting and think that it would make for some interesting discussions on NWR (like the Kaplan interview).
I mentioned Go Nintendo because that's where I first saw it, but gave a link to the correct source.
Also, Go Nintendo posts NWR reviews on their site, so in a way they advertise this site.
If you are annoyed by it I will just post the correct source and don't mention Go Nintendo, even if that's where I first saw it.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2007, 11:59:12 AM
QuoteI actually meant to point that out earlier how Pap credited GoNintendo but linked direct to Gamespy were the article was actually posted.
Originally posted by: BloodworthQuote
Originally posted by: pap64
Go Nintendo posted a very interesting Perrin Kaplan interview.
Why are people constantly giving credit to GoNintendo for articles when they aren't the source? We don't need subversive advertising in these forums.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 11, 2007, 12:09:40 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1QuoteI actually meant to point that out earlier how Pap credited GoNintendo but linked direct to Gamespy were the article was actually posted.
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Originally posted by: pap64
Go Nintendo posted a very interesting Perrin Kaplan interview.
Why are people constantly giving credit to GoNintendo for articles when they aren't the source? We don't need subversive advertising in these forums.
Like I said, I only mentioned Go Nintendo because that's where I first SAW it, but I never said that it was rightfully theirs.
Not to diss NWR or anything, but I do enjoy Go Nintendo. Not only to they post daily news from all sources they do it as seriously as possible. One of things that annoyed me the most about Joystiq was how they tried to attach this retarded sense of humor into every news article (the worst being the Wii ones). So I stopped going there and saw Go Nintendo being mentioned in here (of all places). I went there and enjoyed how they post daily news without any sort of attitude (the readers do provide the articles, but the editors themselves are serious most of the time).
Post by: Bloodworth on February 11, 2007, 12:17:41 PM
As handy as it is to have a site like GoNintendo aggregating information, it's still best to distinguish other people's work from their original content.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 11, 2007, 01:08:19 PM
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Well, its good that you aren't connected with them in any way, but I would prefer it if you give credit where credit is due. GameSpy are the ones that did the interview and they should get the recognition.
As handy as it is to have a site like GoNintendo aggregating information, it's still best to distinguish other people's work from their original content.
Fixed the first post to give credit.
Go Nintendo actually gives credit to the original news source, they also provide the link to the original and mention the reader that sent it in. The problem is that I link to them instead of linking to the original news source, making it look like I am giving credit to Go Nintendo.
Again, this was all a misunderstanding and in no way meant to diss NWR. I'll just post the link they post instead of linking to them.
Post by: Kairon on February 11, 2007, 01:40:55 PM
But of course, that's why we go to gonintendo in the first place: we rely on them to condense so many sources into one site instead of checking 15+ websites ourselves.
At what point does efficiency become laziness?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Artimus on February 11, 2007, 01:54:53 PM
Post by: MaryJane on February 11, 2007, 02:09:41 PM
Post by: ryancoke on February 12, 2007, 03:24:47 AM
Edit:
I just found this on Gonintendo (originally from GamePolitics):
GamePolitics talked to Beth Llewelyn, Sr. Director of Corporate Communications at Nintendo concerning their feelings about Manhunt 2 for the Wii.
"Manhunt 2 is not developed or published by Nintendo. It is one of many titles released by third party publishers for our system that appeal to people of all ages and interests. Just as with movies, television, and books, different video games appeal to - and are appropriate for - different audiences. Video game retailers and purchasers are strongly encouraged to follow the age-specific ESRB ratings when considering what software to sell or buy. If parents are concerned about kids having access to inappropriate Wii games, we encourage them to utilize the PIN-operated Parental Control features built into Wii"
Sounds similar to what Perrin was saying but in a little more detail.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 12, 2007, 05:50:14 AM
If Nintendo improves everything and makes things tighter then we'll all like Perrin, and all of Nintendo's PR staff, a lot more. They won't be lying to us and they won't be spinning obvious goofs as something worthwhile.
Post by: mantidor on February 12, 2007, 06:41:21 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 12, 2007, 06:13:48 PM
Post by: Kairon on February 12, 2007, 06:19:36 PM
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: mantidor on February 13, 2007, 02:08:36 AM
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Attitude is better than an interview full of phail and internet.
But they both give us nothing, Merrick was better, he got fired in a heartbeat for spilling so much info though.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 13, 2007, 05:09:52 AM
Nintendo is an "entertainment company."
Pigeon Kaplan failed to provide entertainment.
Merrick opened his mouth a little too wide.
End of story.
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 13, 2007, 11:22:44 AM
Most PR people don't pony up when mistakes are made: just look at Sony's staff of winged monkeys...
Post by: NeoThunder on February 13, 2007, 11:45:19 AM
Not really. Rockstar are the KINGS of controversy. I don't see Nintendo distancing themselves from a possible backlash as a bad thing. Besides, I doubt it even matters. Nintendo's already been sued over the more recent GTA titles, none of which have even seen the light of day on a Nintendo platform.
Actually, I believe there was a GTA game on the GameBoy color, and/or the GameBoy Advance
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 13, 2007, 11:55:42 AM
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Originally posted by: NeoThunder Actually, I believe there was a GTA game on the GameBoy color, and/or the GameBoy Advance
True, but even if the hot coffee exploit was in those games, trying to get people riled up about it to the extent that they were for the PS2 version just wouldn't happen.
