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Title: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: couchmonkey on January 10, 2007, 07:09:41 AM
Ha ha ha, excuse the dramatic title. Thing is, Bill Gates has recently stated that Nintendo will be Microsoft's toughest competition. This is a complete about-face from the early 360 days where Nintendo was a "niche" company that had it's little cult following, and nothing more. I think this also marks the first time any of the competing execs have openly acknowledged that Nintendo is a major threat.
Nintendo got all the way through the front door before anyone said anything.
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 10, 2007, 07:28:27 AM
The worse thing that one can do is completely write off someone else because they assume that they have become irrelevant. Nintendo has proven to them that they are not to be trifled with.
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: TrueNerd on January 10, 2007, 08:32:52 AM
This could be MS recognizing Nintendo as a legit competitor in this round, or it could simply be yet someone else kicking Sony while they're down.
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 08:45:38 AM
The title of this thread is 100% accurate. My hat is off.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 11, 2007, 01:15:51 AM
My mental image is MS and Nintendo both standing with their weapons drawn, waiting for the big dragon Sony to emerge. Sony appears but turns out to be half a metre high and uses crutches to walk. MS and Nintendo burst into laughter, when they're done they start fighting each other.
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: couchmonkey on January 11, 2007, 03:59:34 AM
Quote Originally posted by: TrueNerd This could be MS recognizing Nintendo as a legit competitor in this round, or it could simply be yet someone else kicking Sony while they're down.
This is quite true, I think it's a bit of both. I think MS loves any chance to kick Sony while it's down, because PS3 matches 360's functionality much more closely than Wii.
Still, we've seen it at E3, we've seen it at launch, and we're seeing it right now with Wii continuing to outsell PS3 even after PS3 supply has caught up with demand: Wii is a hot item, it's running on the same strategy as DS, and I think Gates is starting to take notice.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 11, 2007, 04:56:57 AM
While it is good that Nintendo can be acknowledged in this way I was kind of hoping that MS wouldn't notice so soon so that Nintendo could sneak up on them and gain some ground while they're unprepared. If MS considers Nintendo a threat then it's going to be a harder battle for Nintendo.
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Post by: vudu on January 11, 2007, 06:01:54 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Smash_Brother The title of this thread is 100% accurate. My hat is off.
I don't get it. Are you calling Iwata a hobbit? Is the Wii a ring? Who's Sony? I'm so confused.
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 11, 2007, 06:11:14 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Ian Sane While it is good that Nintendo can be acknowledged in this way I was kind of hoping that MS wouldn't notice so soon so that Nintendo could sneak up on them and gain some ground while they're unprepared. If MS considers Nintendo a threat then it's going to be a harder battle for Nintendo.
No it's not. MS can't emulate what Nintendo has done because they have tried so hard to distance themselves from what Nintendo has done that all they will do is alienate their already established consumer base. Xbox and Xbox 360 owners have already made clear what kind of games they want, and outside of that they don't, pretty much, give a damn. Nintendo can offer those kind of games, plus more, and they will sell.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on January 11, 2007, 06:21:08 AM
I'm kinda worried that MS, after seeing one of the Japanese giants go down, will start throwing out even bigger moneyhats in an attempt to buy up developers who can no longer turn to Sony for sales but might still be leery of Nintendo.
One of the reasons I refuse to support MS is because of the sh*thole the gaming industry would be with them in first place. Imagine if EA made and set the standards for all games and that's what MS would be doing.
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 11, 2007, 06:25:17 AM
Quote Originally posted by: vudu I don't get it. Are you calling Iwata a hobbit? Is the Wii a ring? Who's Sony? I'm so confused.
Iwata is actually rather tall for a Japanese man.
As for the rest of the references, the hobbits would be the justice department and the ring would be the anti-monopoly suit which, of course, means the ring never made it into Mt. Doom.
Quote No it's not. MS can't emulate what Nintendo has done because they have tried so hard to distance themselves from what Nintendo has done that all they will do is alienate their already established consumer base. Xbox and Xbox 360 owners have already made clear what kind of games they want, and outside of that they don't, pretty much, give a damn. Nintendo can offer those kind of games, plus more, and they will sell.
MS's mantra is "rip off early, rip off often". If the Wii starts stomping them in the market, they're going to release their own version of the Wiimote and start trying to push developers to make games for it.
They've been playing that game with Apple for around 20 years now.
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Post by: Mario on January 11, 2007, 06:51:12 AM
I agree with Ian, but I think this comment is mainly aimed at Sony.
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: segagamer12 on January 11, 2007, 07:58:05 PM
MS still has one thing going for it Wii hasnt quit cought upwith and thast the online gaming. Once Wii gets online gaming and if it works out like people are hoping 360 is going to start to lose a lot of its appeal.
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: couchmonkey on January 12, 2007, 03:26:25 AM
I think it's going to be really interesting to see how Microsoft reacts. If Gates is sincere, then we may see something like the Wiimote come to 360 as an "extra" peripheral later this year. I don't think that'll be enough. But I do think MS still sees Sony as the main threat to Xbox 360 and the home PC market, so I imagine MS will keep going down the same road with 360, fighting Sony, while throwing in some half-measures to try to slow down Nintendo.
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: Ceric on January 12, 2007, 06:28:57 AM
Here we go for an analogy. (This is from the evolution of the text)
Sony: Mordor MS: The Realm of Man Nintendo: The Shire and other lands of Hobbits.
It's a pretty close fit. The Hobbits didn't originally have a Ring of Power. In Fact Sega could be the Elves for that matter... Actually I need to go back and read the rhyme to get this totally correct.
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: couchmonkey on January 12, 2007, 08:21:11 AM
Hee hee, we're nerds.
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: segagamer12 on January 12, 2007, 09:48:46 AM
Ok it was Lord of the Rings. I havent seen it since it was new so I wsnt sure what was being referenced. Ok I dont remember LOTR much so whats the reference again?
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: KDR_11k on January 12, 2007, 06:10:46 PM
Read it up on Wikipedia.
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: wandering on January 12, 2007, 11:12:18 PM
Quote Actually I need to go back and read the rhyme to get this totally correct.
That's okay, I have it memorized.
Three rings for the elven kings under the sky Seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone Nine for mortal men doomed to die One ring for the dark lord on his dark throne In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie One ring to rule them all One ring to find them One ring to bring them all And in the darkness bind them In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie
(If the Wii is Aragorn, I think Frodo and Sam would have to be the PSP and PS3. The ring represents games - which Sony is trying to destroy with Blu ray movies and other such things (ie, the fires of doom), and Nintendo is trying to destroy with non-games (also the fires of doom). Microsoft is trying to use the power of games to take over all the land, but when games are destroyed, Microsoft will crumble, and Apple, Inc. (men), Nintendo (Elves), and Linux (Dwarves) will reign.)
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Post by: oohhboy on January 13, 2007, 12:31:34 AM
Wow. That is an ungodly amount of nerd in that reply. Must resist...
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: wandering on January 22, 2007, 11:34:28 AM
Resist what, beating me up?
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: Ceric on January 23, 2007, 01:22:53 PM
Frodo and Sam cannot be PSP and PS3
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: TrueNerd on January 25, 2007, 06:43:01 PM
Could someone give me the equivalent of all this LotR stuff as a Star Wars reference instead?
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: segagamer12 on January 26, 2007, 08:29:51 AM
360 is palpatine, wii is vader, and poor ps3 is mace windu
You should know what scene I am refering to.
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: Ceric on January 26, 2007, 09:13:11 AM
Quote Originally posted by: TrueNerd Could someone give me the equivalent of all this LotR stuff as a Star Wars reference instead?
Dear TrueNerd,
Here at the Society for the Certification of Nerds hereby deem that thee must turn in you Pocket Protector and High Level Clearance. Even Nerds that hate Star Wars or Tolkiens now the references. Being as benevolent as we are you are hereby on Probation until you may prove that your knowledge has been properly expanded and will come in with the rank of Nerdling-In-Training.
Sincerely,
SoCoN
;P
PS- Watch Tron too while your at it.
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Post by: Arbok on January 26, 2007, 09:15:42 AM
Quote Originally posted by: segagamer12 360 is palpatine, wii is vader, and poor ps3 is mace windu
So the 360 will seduce the Wii into joining forces to kill the PS3, allowing for the 360 to take total control over the market, leaving the Wii with a subordinated niche; all the while, the DS attempts to rebel for decades only to finally, at the last minute, convince the Wii of their company line to finish off the 360, yet at the loss of the Wii, which leaves the DS in total control?
...makes sense
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: Ceric on January 26, 2007, 09:45:41 AM
Whose Hans Solo and yoda?
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 26, 2007, 11:05:04 AM
This conversation is so over my head.
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: segagamer12 on January 26, 2007, 02:32:44 PM
To Arbok, ...ok something like that. I was thinking of the scene in Revenge of the Sith specifically but your analogy works too. I dont think Wii will die but i do expect it to utterly destroy Ps3.
To ceric, Yoda is the Virtual Console, with all its infinate knowledge and being so ancient. Han Solo is all Mii stuff, you hate them at first but grow to love it after just a few minutes.
Damn it they better not screw up making the perfect Star Wars game on Wii! Everybody I know agrees wholeheartedly that THAT is the game that will convince all the ps3 fanboys to take Wii seriously. Cuz EVERYBODY loves Star Wars even those who hate Nintendo.
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Post by: TrueNerd on January 27, 2007, 06:58:39 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Ceric
Quote Originally posted by: TrueNerd Could someone give me the equivalent of all this LotR stuff as a Star Wars reference instead?
Dear TrueNerd,
Here at the Society for the Certification of Nerds hereby deem that thee must turn in you Pocket Protector and High Level Clearance. Even Nerds that hate Star Wars or Tolkiens now the references. Being as benevolent as we are you are hereby on Probation until you may prove that your knowledge has been properly expanded and will come in with the rank of Nerdling-In-Training.
Sincerely,
SoCoN
;P
PS- Watch Tron too while your at it.
Ha! I laugh because it is laughable that I, The Nerd of Truth, would recognize your little society (re:Teenage girl slumber party) as an authority. Ha! I could throw so many Firefly quotes/references at you, your head would literally spin... much in the same way that Serenity's engine didn't spin in the episode "Out Of Gas."
Yeah. That's what I thought.
Title: RE:Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: Ceric on January 28, 2007, 05:26:26 AM
You young'ns is that all you can qoute? Whats next Buffy lines? Tell me hows your knowledge of Lone Gunmen? Babylon 5? Farscape? Quantum Leap? Sea Quest? STNG? Earth Final Conflict? Mutant X? Viper? I think it was Mantis... sort of neat show.
;P
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 28, 2007, 07:26:11 AM
The Star Wars reference is inadequate.
Mace Windu completely trashes Palpatine and defeats him, until Anakin kicks his butt. However, PS3 isn't even near defeating the Xbox 360, and probably won't.
Truthfully,
The Best Star Wars reference would be:
Vader: Sony in General (The Play Station Name) Obi-Wan: Gamecube Wii: Luke Skywalker The Emperor: Microsoft (Xbox consoles)
Imperial Guards: Xbox Fan boys Storm Troopers/The Empire in general: Play Station Fan boys. Rebels: Nintendo Fan boys.
Oh, and the DS/Gameboy consoles: Han Solo/Chewie and the Falcon.
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Post by: Kairon on January 28, 2007, 11:07:58 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Ceric You young'ns is that all you can qoute? Whats next Buffy lines? Tell me hows your knowledge of Lone Gunmen? Babylon 5? Farscape? Quantum Leap? Sea Quest? STNG? Earth Final Conflict? Mutant X? Viper? I think it was Mantis... sort of neat show.
;P
It was Mantis.. or M.A.N.T.I.S.?
Don't forget Space: Above and Beyond, Total recall 2070, and Enemy Mine!
Either way, I shall now construct an altar in your name.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 28, 2007, 01:24:16 PM
Enemy Mine scared the crap out me with that Giant Ant Eater Monster.
I remember:
Original Battle Star Galatica Earth 2 Lone Gunmen (which was on for less than a season) Babylon 5 was amazing. Farscape isn't that old. Mutant X sucked. Sea Quest was Star Trek TNG underwater Buck Rogers was pretty sweet
Does anyone remember James Bond Jr?
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Post by: TrueNerd on January 28, 2007, 05:48:58 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Ceric You young'ns is that all you can qoute? Whats next Buffy lines? Tell me hows your knowledge of Lone Gunmen? Babylon 5? Farscape? Quantum Leap? Sea Quest? STNG? Earth Final Conflict? Mutant X? Viper? I think it was Mantis... sort of neat show.
;P
Alright, I know when I've been defeated.
But srsly, are any of those shows good? I bet I would enjoy em if they were.
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Post by: Kairon on January 28, 2007, 06:12:32 PM
Quote Originally posted by: TrueNerd But srsly, are any of those shows good?
W...W....Were they any GOOD?!?!?!?
*discorporates*
On a side note, I haven't bothered to watch a lot of these. WAS Earth: Final Conflict any good?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 29, 2007, 01:25:23 AM
Since when was any true Sci-Fi fan concerned with quality of the show.
It only mattered about quality of the Sci-Fi Concept.
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Post by: Galford on January 29, 2007, 03:06:13 AM
James Bond Jr.- Talk about digging up your obscure shows.
Earth:Final Conflict uh well sucked and really sucked. There is a reason why it was buried for so long.
Earth 2 was good for a while. Then it became apparent that this abandones planet was well populated. I remember the final episode where the main character either dies or gets really sick. They sorta just write her out of the story.
Sci Fi on tv hasn't been good since the fifth/sixth season of X-Files or the final season of DS9.
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Post by: couchmonkey on January 29, 2007, 03:33:16 AM
Battlestar Galactica and the all-too-brief Odyssey Five disagree.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 29, 2007, 04:44:05 AM
Nobody who says "Hans Solo" has any business calling out anyone else's nerdworthiness.
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Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2007, 05:18:23 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Spak-Spang Since when was any true Sci-Fi fan concerned with quality of the show.
It only mattered about quality of the Sci-Fi Concept.
I'm sorry. Please forgive me.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: Ceric on January 29, 2007, 06:38:04 AM
Wow, Buck Rogers. I've only seen a few episode of that one. In particular one with Energy Vampires.
Of course I'll throw Dr. Who into the mix.
Earth 2 was good to a point. Enemy Mine if memory serves was originally a short story. A pretty good one at that. Sort of like a Cold Equation. Also Twilight Zone and the other show like it that the name alludes me. Especially with its connected Sci-fi Storyline... The poor guys ends up being tortured for the rest of his life.
Edit: You caught me. I'm just a casual Geek/Nerd. I just sort of picked it up and I'm not very active in it at large, even though I was the president of my College Sci-fi/Fantasy club. Plus Star Wars the movies I like but I don't rewatch or rank as some of my favorite movies.
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Post by: TrueNerd on January 29, 2007, 09:15:20 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Spak-Spang Since when was any true Sci-Fi fan concerned with quality of the show.
It only mattered about quality of the Sci-Fi Concept.
Guess I'm not a true sci-fi fan then. As far as shows go, Firefly and Battlestar Galactica are all I've watched. They're great shows though. I would bet that I would like other sci-fi stuff if I knew what I should be looking for.
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Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2007, 10:48:26 AM
Well, the "sci-fi" concept thing becomes true to me when I wonder about why in the world I enjoyed Sea Quest, or why I enjoy the original battlestar galactica so much... and ESPECIALLY why I enjoy Space Above and Beyond much more than the rest of the world did.
Not to say that Space: Above and Beyond was bad... it's actually my personal version of "Firefly."
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: segagamer12 on January 29, 2007, 02:47:32 PM
Quantem Leap was awesome show. I also used to watch Time Cop or somthing like that, it was pretty cool for a while. I never was a real big sci-fi fan but i did watch a lot of sci-fi shows. I forgot what it was called but my other favorite was a show about this family who travel back in time to dinosouars,. lost something or other I forget, My memory sucks sometimes.
I watched the original battlestar galacitca (yes mispelled sue me) but only cuz my mom watched it. It was ok I guess but not my favorite stuff. I did like ST TNG even though I didnt care for the original star trek show. I liekd some of the movies though if that counts.
I personally prefer movies over tb shows cuz I dont watch tv that much.
Ok SPak, you win, the SW reference wasnt as good. I couldnt rememebr LOTR and still have no clue what the original reference is.
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Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2007, 06:58:09 PM
*Currently watching Barbarella*
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: Ceric on January 31, 2007, 04:34:42 AM
Finished up Torchwood. It's like everything they don't do in Dr. Who released here.
Title: RE: Eye of Sauron Turns Towards Nintendo
Post by: couchmonkey on February 27, 2007, 02:40:07 AM
Quote From a first-party point of view, it’s not just about E-rated games, it’s going to be about the experience that, quite frankly, Nintendo has done a tremendous job in capturing, in bringing back fun—if you will—to the gaming platforms. But we’ve got a few tricks up our sleeve as well to be able to do that. It’s not something that we’re going to be shy about, and it’s not something that we’re not painfully aware of that needs to be changed by this holiday. That has been the strategy all along, and we’ll be making some more announcements in the coming month or two. I think you’ll see how serious we are about that.
My two bits: Moore does an awful lot of praising of Nintendo, and I think that's his job. I believe Microsoft is still in "enemy of my enemy is my friend" mode, and creating goodwill with Nintendo fans as well as pushing Nintendo as an alternative to Sony are key points to that strategy. At the same time he's basically saying that MS really needs to have some products to compete with the Nintendo style of game by this holiday.
I don't know if Microsoft totally gets it yet. Execs like Moore clearly recognize that "casual/fun' games are a weak spot for Xbox, but I don't know if they understand what it's going to take to beat Nintendo. They're at least halfway there, though. They definitely know something's up with Wii.
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Post by: Ceric on February 27, 2007, 04:22:27 AM
That quote was a well constructed piece of PR hitting most of the right notes. Perrin Kaplan and Sony could learn a thing or two from a quote like that. Now I'm going to read the interview and see if the rest is like that.
