Post by: Artimus on December 31, 2006, 10:18:55 AM
http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=39619&mode=thread&order=0
This has been a major concern of my, and is one of my major problems with VII. But this one goes beyond acceptable. The gameplay could be interesting but I hope it's a disaster. If you want to make sci-fi then make a sci-fi series. FANTASY means FANTASY.
Post by: Arbok on December 31, 2006, 11:19:53 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on December 31, 2006, 11:49:31 AM
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Reminds me A LOT of Phantasy Star Online from looking at those screens...
I thought that at first too, but the characters in this FF are wearing NO body armor at all. At least in PSO characters had more protection then the shirts on their backs...
Post by: capamerica on December 31, 2006, 05:11:02 PM
They were going down such a good path with Final Fantasy IX, X, XI and XII with being Fantasy themed then they screwed it up again with going back with what VII and VIII were like.
All I can hope is that XIV is a Fantasy theme again
Post by: UncleBob on December 31, 2006, 06:00:09 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 31, 2006, 09:16:03 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on December 31, 2006, 09:31:29 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 31, 2006, 09:52:19 PM
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I might care about a sci-fi FF if they actually had plasguns and energy swords instead of the same old swords, nunchucks, staves and revolvers. Why do people think it's acceptable for the main character in a sci fi RPG to use a plain old metal sword?
Nothing wrong with revolvers in a sci-fi setting, have you not seen Firefly?
Post by: KDR_11k on January 01, 2007, 01:58:43 AM
Post by: Artimus on January 01, 2007, 02:37:39 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on January 01, 2007, 03:42:05 AM
Sci-fi and fantasy have a pretty blurry line, especially in games, since something like final fantasy can have staples of both.
Post by: Artimus on January 01, 2007, 03:48:26 AM
Final Fantasy is best when it's fantasy. Here's hoping this one gets bad reviews.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on January 01, 2007, 03:58:28 AM
Edit: And what's with melee weapons still being used as a primary weapon in Sci-Fi? I could understand something like a combat knife with an ultrasonic generator in it for close-combat, but why stab someone with a sword when you could blast them from range?
Edit #2: And if this FF has an android party member, I'm gonna vomit. If I ever run into a machine that thinks its a person and suffers a personality crisis, I'm gonna put it out of its misery. Why have some whiny human wannabe when you could have a hulking engine of destruction war robot? It doesn't even need to be self-aware. Just slave it to me and make it so when I point in the enemies general direction and say "kill" it does what its best at.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 01, 2007, 04:47:44 AM
Post by: wandering on January 01, 2007, 05:49:09 AM
Not really. I remember somebody asking me once if I liked any books other than sci-fi, and I said "sure. Lord of the Rings, Discworld..." and she replied, "no, no. Those are the same genre." And I'm all, "you're crazy."
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Nothing wrong with revolvers in a sci-fi setting
I think more sci-fi should use Blade Runner-style guns. They seem like they're normal pistols, but if you pay close attention, you see they're actually laser guns.
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Some sci-fi stories have reasons for their melee weapons (e.g. shields that admit only the slow blade) but some do it just because the japanese feel nostalgic for their samurai era.
Well, it's easier to romanticize violence if you use older weapons. The irony is, combat has gotten less brutal as time's gone on, so yearning for the glory of ancient fighting is a bit silly.
Post by: segagamer12 on January 01, 2007, 05:55:46 AM
I liked FF3 or six or whateve ryo call it a lot but I also loved 7. I every other Ff has been decent but none have been realy good IMO. BUT I LOVE Phantasy Star and I wish Sega would bring that back without the MMO crap.
Post by: Artimus on January 01, 2007, 06:00:33 AM
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Fantasy and sci-fi are the same genre. Deal with it.
Not really. I remember somebody asking me once if I liked any books other than sci-fi, and I said "sure. Lord of the Rings, Discworld..." and she replied, "no, no. Those are the same genre." And I'm all, "you're crazy."
Well, TRUE sci-fi is fiction where technology and science are essential to the setting and/or story. Stuff like Star Wars is really fantasy. But for the sense of a workable definition anything futuristic and spacey is sci-fi.
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Some sci-fi stories have reasons for their melee weapons (e.g. shields that admit only the slow blade) but some do it just because the japanese feel nostalgic for their samurai era.
I take it you read Forever War as well?
Post by: KDR_11k on January 01, 2007, 07:48:38 AM
Post by: Artimus on January 01, 2007, 09:08:19 AM
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I think Sci-Fi is defined as something that at least attempts to explain its technology. You can have a sci-fi story in a tolkien-esque world if you had an explaination how magic worked.
I'd hesitate at that. The OFFICIAL definition is that science-fiction deals with a change to our world or our future. Fantasy deals more with totally fake realities or pasts. Otherwise it's historical fiction. That way you can fit alternate present stories (Man in the High Castle) and futuristic stories with one major alteration (time travel, telepaths, etc.) but not fantasy where the only difference is "what if there were dragons?" or such.
When technology is fused into the past I think it's mainly fantasy. In this way some sci-fi can almost become fantasy at a later date (a lot of H.G. Wells' stuff). This is why I'd say FFVI is a fantasy but VII is a sci-fi.
Post by: D_MaN87 on January 01, 2007, 09:58:56 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on January 01, 2007, 02:54:11 PM
But this thread isn't really about potential, less-explored themes in RPGs. It's about Final Fantasy and what suits the series. I'm not a big Final Fantasy fan, but I do know that I'd be annoyed if they messed with any of the games I like. I'd be kinda peeved if they tried to pass off Thief 3 as a sequal to Deus Ex. It bugged me that Metroid Prime Hunters wasn't really a Metroid game and only used the name for brand recognition. I can see why someone would want Final Fantasy to, you know, remain fantasy. Too much deviation and you might as well make it a new series.
Post by: Artimus on January 01, 2007, 03:15:57 PM
But, at the same time, I feel Final Fantasy is ALWAYS best when it's more fantasy than sci-fi. I have no problem with a mix, but XIII is clearly not balanced.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 01, 2007, 09:34:43 PM
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Post by: WalkingTheCow on January 08, 2007, 09:50:43 AM
That being said, Fantasy can be boring and generic. That being said, Science Fiction can be boring and generic. Regarding XIII, I don't think we've seen enough yet to really tell how the setting's going to end up being. Obviouslly it's heavily leaning on the Science Fiction end of things and it that's not your preference that is too bad, but don't act like this is terriblly unusual or even very different.
Oh. IX's setting was my favorite.
