Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 08:51:21 AM
Title: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 08:51:21 AM
A thought just occurred to me...
We all know the Wii has viral marketing power, yes, but how far does that power extend?
Here's a simple question to ask yourself which can likely determine the answer: how many people have you shown the Wii to who then opted to go out and get one of their own?
Better question: how many people have you shown it to who did NOT show some interest?
In my personal experience, when I show it to non-gamers, they're immediately hooked, and when I say "$250 and it comes with Wii Sports" they're DEFINITELY ready to go.
In theory, the Wii's viral chain never has to end. Even when it's shown to the most lonely, friendless people, even they have relatives who can and very likely will get to try it (especially since I know the Wii has been a huge hit with my relatives and the relatives of others). The Wii isn't a console which your average otaku will just squirrel away in his room. It's more the type to be out in the living room, adjacent to the TV where it can and will be played by all manners of people who may visit the house.
I think it's almost safe to say, with the Wii's universal appeal with Wii Sports, that a Wii has a higher chance of selling additional Wiis than NOT selling additional Wiis, and that in itself is absolutely incredible.
I noted that there was a very brief period after launch in which Wiis were easier to get, then they became nigh-impossible to get and still are today. I think it was the viral effect taking hold. That said, it's no wonder Nintendo can't make these fast enough.
Am I alone in this thinking? I just can't help but feel that the Wii could easily be sold out for most of next year, especially as the virus continues to spread...
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 29, 2006, 09:05:23 AM
This is what happened to the DS (in Japan, don't know about Europe and the US). Everyone bought it, but once the viral marketing kicked in, it became nigh impossible to find one. Now even when more than a billion people have DSs its still selling like crazy.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Rancid Planet on December 29, 2006, 10:51:45 AM
I'm going to go old school here and refer to the phenomenon as "word of mouth" advertising. Since that's what they used to call it way back when I was a youngster. Back in 1998. Anywho, I agree that the instant accessibility of the Wii and Wii Sports in particular is really driving sales in a big way.
In a much bigger way than those creepy, weird ass PS3 commercials. I mean what the hell is the one where the birds shoot out of it trying to tell me? The PS3 has the power of a flock of crows? I'm just not getting it. And what about that creepy ass baby melting ad they had to edit? "PS3. It will MELT your baby!" WTF?
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Requiem on December 29, 2006, 11:29:39 AM
I agree that the Wii has viral power, but sold out most of next year?
That could only happen if there are viral games. You see, a system is nothing without games and if Nintendo wants the Wii sales to continue, there going to have to pump out some magic throughout the year (especially around March-July) and never let the chain lose interest. They need to have games that are even more shocking in their innovation. They need to make people giggle at how innovative and fun it looks (like that WarioWare footage I linked to). But more importantly, they need something that will crossover into a market untouched. Especially if they want DS-like viral activity.
Videogames have always been about fun and fun alone, but that's exactly what limits it. As technology becomes more advanced, why can't videogames do the same. What I am saying is: why not make a game that has another outcome other than having fun?
The diet and excersise market is one of the biggest markets in the world. People are always looking for better, faster ways to lose weight, eat nutritious, and lead a more organized life. Well, why not a build a "game" around that concept? Why not make a suite of tools that help them do that?
One channel can help them excerise with Wii based activity and afterwards, provide a detailed analysis of the workout. Another channel can resemble a cook book and provide instructions on how to cook, and maybe even a way to virtually cook the meal. Another can be a calendar that shows how much you excercised, and what food you ate.
And that's the beginning. What about vast market of the education industry? Make games to help teach kids how to read, teach adults another language.
Does anyone else see the potential?
Oh snap...I just hi-jacked the hell out of this thread. Sorry SB
So what was I talking about again, oh yeah, either way I feel very confident for next christmas season. Even if word of mouth (good looking out rancid) slows down, I know Nintendo will release something to talk about. But where's the third-party games? They must see the potential in the Wii, and if they don't, how cheap it is to developer for. Let me see some games!
Oh snap,
I got myself hyped for E3!
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Crimm on December 29, 2006, 11:35:15 AM
I have shown the Wii to two households extensively. In other words, people I have convinced to sit down and play it. Neither took much convincing.
Final Report:
Wii Sports is like crack. One is going to buy it for Wii Boxing (I know, wtf) and the other is thinking about it.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 29, 2006, 11:47:04 AM
"Videogames have always been about fun and fun alone, but that's exactly what limits it. As technology becomes more advanced, why can't videogames do the same. What I am saying is: why not make a game that has another outcome other than having fun?"
Isn't that what software is? A videogame is just a computer program. A computer program is defined as a videogame if its purpose is to entertain. Otherwise it isn't classified as a videogame. I wouldn't really call a diet program, for example, a videogame. It's a diet program. This web brower I'm using to view this site isn't a game, even if I was running it through a videogame console.
What you're really asking for is for the Wii software to expand in such a way that it's less of a videogame console and more of a personal computer.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Kairon on December 29, 2006, 11:55:58 AM
No, personal computers are productivity tools. And in that field they can't be beat, much to the disappointment of set-top-box visionaries.
The Wii needs to become a LIFESTYLE tool, much like cellphones (and to a lesser extent, the DS) have become.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Requiem on December 29, 2006, 12:06:42 PM
Exactly Kairon.
Ian, whose to say you can't make a diet program fun and entertianing? If you could, wouldn't that constitute it to be, by your definition, a videogame?
You can disguise exercise to be fun, just look at Wii Sports. In fact, what do you think sports are? So why can't you make an fun exercise program?
I admit, the other parts are more like software, but that's exactly what I'm getting at. If Nintendo can get people to come back to their system everyday, then they got it made. A diet "game" would do that.
Teaching people things though, would be pure genius. Making a fun interactive way to learn is an even bigger market than to help people excersize. Wii's could easily end up in class rooms.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Arbok on December 29, 2006, 12:17:45 PM
Requiem has the same idea I do in terms of where I think Nintendo needs to go next. The concept of the "calorie counter" in the next Wario Ware game is moving closer to that idea I feel too. If Nintendo, or a third party, can make a "work out intensive" style game that people can play in the comfort of their home, break a sweat doing so and have a grand enough time that they can't wait to play it again... that will be the real ticket to success, and will introduce something unheard of outside of DDR.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Ceric on December 29, 2006, 12:22:29 PM
I like my Videogame console to Play VIDEOGAMES. Not try to get me to eat fatting vegetables.
K, Thanks, Bye.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Requiem on December 29, 2006, 01:30:58 PM
Who's stopping you? Play whatever game you choose.
There is nothing stopping Nintendo to NOT make the games you love, but does that mean they have to stop there?
And whose to say it can't be fun and exciting? Isn't Brain Training literally excersize for the brain? Why can't you make one for the body, if your system allows it? Isn't that the next logical step?
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Zach on December 29, 2006, 05:10:04 PM
Back on topic. The Nintendo virus has spread with me as well, without me even having to try. I brought my Wii to my dorm room, and went to class without even taking it out of the box. My roommate found it, told my buddy down the hall who promptly texted me to see if he could set it up. When I came back, I found about five people taking turns playing WiiSports, all of them having so much fun.
Then this christmas, my mom told my cousin that i got a wii, so we played WiiSports, and while they were on the fence before, now my cousins (three brothers) are each gonna chip in $100 and buy one.
Crimm said it best WiiSports == crack
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: segagamer12 on December 29, 2006, 06:27:52 PM
My Wii has been on tour ever since I got it, it hardly ever stays home and it goes all day and all night every where it goes. I have now convined five of my closest friends, four DIE HARD PS FANBOYS, and 1 xbox 360 fanboy, to all go out and get one. OF course they are all waiting on restocking as Wii is impossible to find around here.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: ThePerm on December 30, 2006, 06:02:57 PM
just wait, either metroid prime 3 will be the next gta 3 or some little company is going to develop a sickass shooter
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Nephilim on December 30, 2006, 06:45:57 PM
Well I think mid next year, they need to replace wiisports with wiibrain training, or something As they need a fun, yet appealing game for the wii I dont think slapping on free zelda, would sell as much as a game like brain training
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: RampanT on December 30, 2006, 07:27:38 PM
I agree with the viral marketing point. I personally have NEVER seen a reaction to a gaming platform as I have with the Wii, and I've pretty much been here since the start of gaming.
The clincher for me was when my Dad was playing Wii Sports golf when I wasn't even there. That is unheard of - my Dad has barely ever played a videogame in his life even with my encouragement, nevermind playing the game with his own free will and desire.
Add to this the fact that all my family members, including my MUM - who can't even work the TV remote - have all been playing the Wii and having so much fun, it's just amazing. Nintendo's vision of a 'family' games console has never looked so real and convincing. I never thought it possible to be honest. Add to this the fact that the console appeals to both hardcore gamers, and casual gamers - and it doesn't take a genius to see that Nintendo's gamble with shifting their gaming focus, has paid off spectacularly.
It's not all roses though. I'm not the kind of person to get too worried about the fact that the Wii can't compete with the High-Def abilities of the PS3 and 360 in the visuals dept - but it has to be said that some of the games look awful right now. I'd say some of them look comparible to an average looking N64 title. And I'm not talking about games like Wii Sports - with their simple use of the Mii characters - because I think Wii Sports looks great. I'm talking about games like Far Cry - with it's extremely low-res muddy texturing and frame rate slow down. Even Zelda's visuals are technically very average, although it still does have many moments of beauty. I'm not saying that the lower spec of the visuals is detrimental ALL of the time. But in a years time, when the second wave of PS3 games hit the shelves, the Wii may well look pre-historic in terms of it's graphics processing abilities. And no matter how much someone argues against it - this DOES affect someones enjoyment and experience of a game.
If Nintendo had put a bit more emphasis on improving the tech of the Wii's graphics processing, I think the Wii would have been able to compete side by side with the PS3 and 360. But the reality is that it can't. The reality is that the Wii will, for the most part, assume the role of becoming most peoples 'second console'. With the PS3 and 360 battling for the same consumers, with very similar product - the Wii becomes a fantastic alternative. I just wish it could be a fantastic alternative that could run games that looked better than the Gamecube.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: segagamer12 on December 31, 2006, 01:19:38 PM
I thought COD3 and DBZBT2 looked good. I am on the fence abotu graphics, so they dont look as good as ps3, they dont all look bad either. but I thought red steel looked like crap and TP so far reminds me of Harvest Moon, not that thats a bad thing I love harvest moon.
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Post by: Caterkiller on December 31, 2006, 06:30:51 PM
"...this DOES affect someones enjoyment and experience of a game."
You know there are people out there who this will effect. I am very happy that as long as i've been playing my DS I never ever, not a single time, thought to myself, "man I wish these graphics could just be a little closer to PSP's" It just doesn't cross my mind. But either way it doesn't seem to be hurting sales of the DS at all.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 31, 2006, 07:40:48 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Requiem I agree that the Wii has viral power, but sold out most of next year?
That could only happen if there are viral games. You see, a system is nothing without games and if Nintendo wants the Wii sales to continue, there going to have to pump out some magic throughout the year
Thing is, I've yet to sell a Wii using anything other than Wii Sports.
I understand that, for continued longevity for gamers, yeah, the Wii needs more games.
However, in the viral sense that I've witnessed, the Wii could have only ONE game and these people would still go out to buy one.
Wii Sports is the ultimate proof of concept and I need show people no other game in order to convince them. Excite Truck has impressed some, but everything else would go over lukewarm. Sports is IT.
Much like Brain Age, people will go out and pick up the console for $250 for only one game and the game comes with the system.
So like I said, I don't see why the chain will end. The word of mouth advertising will continue to place Wiis in homes which in turn will spread Wiis to OTHER homes, homes which might not even have gamers in them yet would buy a Wii regardless.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Aussiedude on December 31, 2006, 08:08:51 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote Originally posted by: Requiem I agree that the Wii has viral power, but sold out most of next year?
That could only happen if there are viral games. You see, a system is nothing without games and if Nintendo wants the Wii sales to continue, there going to have to pump out some magic throughout the year
Thing is, I've yet to sell a Wii using anything other than Wii Sports..
I have to agree 100%. So far ive shown the Wii to 3 groups of people and have sold 4 Wii's (WHERE IS MY COMMISION NINTENDO!). This NEVER happeneded with the gamecube.
And the game that sold it to them was Wii Sports, to a lesser extent Rayman. Apart fromm one (who was waiting to buy a PS3 but now isnt), none were gamers and I was amazed at how everyone wanted to play. Another major selling point was the Mii's. None really cared about lack of DVD playback (I was surprised about this). I really thought Nintendo were just hyping this but I've been proven wrong.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 31, 2006, 08:17:11 PM
Yeah, the Miis make the games in WS so much more personal.
When you actually feel like it's YOU in the game, it becomes far more enjoyable than it would have been with generic players.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Requiem on January 01, 2007, 08:39:41 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote Originally posted by: Requiem I agree that the Wii has viral power, but sold out most of next year?
That could only happen if there are viral games. You see, a system is nothing without games and if Nintendo wants the Wii sales to continue, there going to have to pump out some magic throughout the year
Thing is, I've yet to sell a Wii using anything other than Wii Sports.
I understand that, for continued longevity for gamers, yeah, the Wii needs more games.
However, in the viral sense that I've witnessed, the Wii could have only ONE game and these people would still go out to buy one.
Wii Sports is the ultimate proof of concept and I need show people no other game in order to convince them.
That's exactly right....Wiisports PROVES the concept. But would I be wrong in saying that most people that want a Wii after seeing WiiSports, want one for the concept and not neccessarily the game? Sure, they most be excited by the game and how awesome it is, but are you sure what pushed them over the edge to buy one wasn't "Wow, I can't imagine what else will come out for the system!"
My point is: If Wiisports sells them, then what will keep them happy? Wiisports? Throughout the year, sales will decline if Wiisports is the only game that thoroughly proves the concept, even though more people will have Wii's and more potential to viraly market it.
Nintendo needs to keep them happy throughout the year, much like how they need to keep you happy. They need some new exciting, head-spinning games at crucial times in the year to keep the hype up.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 01, 2007, 12:01:11 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Requiem My point is: If Wiisports sells them, then what will keep them happy? Wiisports? Throughout the year, sales will decline if Wiisports is the only game that thoroughly proves the concept, even though more people will have Wii's and more potential to viraly market it.
Nintendo needs to keep them happy throughout the year, much like how they need to keep you happy. They need some new exciting, head-spinning games at crucial times in the year to keep the hype up.
I understand where you're coming from, as I too salivate at the thought of the hours of innovative and enjoyable gaming my Wii will hopefully provide both myself and my friends.
However, I think what we're seeing is the true beauty of Nintendo's blue ocean strategy.
Let's look at the DS as an example. The biggest proof of concept for the DS was Brain Age, followed closely by Nintendogs, agreed?
I know plenty of people (and I've heard of plenty more) who have bought a DS for only one of these games and yet never lament their purchase afterwards even if they never buy an additional game.
For starters, I think we owe that to the quality of these games, but beyond that, it's because the people buying the DS (and those who are/will buy the Wii) don't view the purchase for the long term like gamers do.
When I buy a console, I buy the mindshare of future games more so than initial launch offerings, as do you and as does anyone who bought a PS3 already. But we're gamers, hence why we look at bang per buck for the long run.
For your average non-gamer, mindshare isn't part of their concern when it comes to gaming. For them, a cool toy which costs $250 is its own reason to buy one.
I can safely state that as a fact because the Wii sells itself to people who don't PLAY games, to people who don't even stop to think about a gaming "library", only that this sports game is hella fun and this, my friends, is the true beauty of the blue ocean.
Maybe they'll buy more games for the Wii and maybe they won't, but the only thing that really matters is that Nintendo made an immediate profit off the sale and can claim with honesty that their userbase has increased by 1.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Requiem on January 01, 2007, 12:21:29 PM
Hmmm...That's an angle I haven't seen before. Interesting...
I'd like to see what the game attach rate is for the Wii. More importantly, I would like to see if people are buying the Wii for Wiisports alone, or if they get another game as well.
I know in Japan that Wiisports is the highest selling game, but for how long?
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Kairon on January 01, 2007, 12:45:36 PM
Depends... how long has Nintendogs been a best seller? And how long have Animal Crossing and BOTH Brain Age games torn up the charts in Japan?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Requiem on January 01, 2007, 01:18:46 PM
True, but if Nintendo hadn't released those games within the time that they had, they're wouldn't have been this huge aura of hype surrounding the system now.
Look, I feel you guys think I'm playing devil's advocate, but that's not it at all. I am astonished by how much of a killer app Wiisports has become, but all I'm saying is Nintendo needs to release more games like that (ones that show the true potential of the console) in order to keep up the hype and thoroughly dominate the market. Otherwise, people will quickly become bored of what is seemingly a "demo." I mean, you guys don't really think that when summer comes around your going to have the same excitement for the Wii as you do now, even with Wiisports in tow, do you? However, if Nintendo were to release Mario Tennis this summer, you couldn't wait to play your Wii again.
And that right there is ALL THAT I AM TRYING TO SAY.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Kairon on January 01, 2007, 01:36:34 PM
I don't think anyone was thinking that Requiem. I myself am pondering about a possible Non-Game Drought. Wii Motor Sports and Wii Music STILL have no release date in sight. I WANT TO CONDUCT AN ORCHESTRA DNQADHWUDHWHDWHDWUHFOWUHIUWD!!!!
...
Luckily, non-gamers who picked up Wii Sports have several options in the pipe. They can go the expected route to Wii Play, or they can jive with Wario Ware in Janvier. They've got Cooking Mama in February, and Big Brain Academy Wii is looking at a Summer 2007 launch. That's off the top of my head, I wonder if any other games will step up to serve the non-game demand?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: Smash_Brother on January 01, 2007, 02:15:25 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Requiem Look, I feel you guys think I'm playing devil's advocate, but that's not it at all. I am astonished by how much of a killer app Wiisports has become, but all I'm saying is Nintendo needs to release more games like that (ones that show the true potential of the console) in order to keep up the hype and thoroughly dominate the market. Otherwise, people will quickly become bored of what is seemingly a "demo." I mean, you guys don't really think that when summer comes around your going to have the same excitement for the Wii as you do now, even with Wiisports in tow, do you? However, if Nintendo were to release Mario Tennis this summer, you couldn't wait to play your Wii again.
I know perfectly well you're not playing DA here: you're making a logical argument based on the conclusions you've drawn from time-tested trends in gaming and platform longevity.
I know that because I was making the same argument until the DS suddenly reared its market-disrupting head and called all bets off.
My only point is that I predict Wiis will continue to sell at an alarming rate due to the mass-appeal of the bundled software, Wii Sports.
I know what you're saying about future games and longevity, but the thing is, at the time of being SHOWN Wii Sports, it's going to be new and impressive for everyone who plays it, even after the Wii has been on the market for years, hence why I strongly believe the Wii will continue to snake its way from one household to the next without any real sign of stopping.
I'm sure the Wii will have an impressive plethora of games, of course, but I don't think the future or present library of the Wii will aid in selling the console to the blue ocean sector which Nintendo captures more and more of each day: these are simple, non-technological folk, the same folk who wouldn't have given two sh*ts about the Gamecube and certainly won't give a crap about the PS3 or 360. These are aunts, uncles, grandparents...people who might not even understand that the Wii HAS other games, but that doesn't matter because they see it, play it, and want it for themselves and their loved ones.
That's why I don't think the future software will matter for the viral effect to continue.
I'm sure it'll be there, but the Wii's appeal is universal enough that I don't think additional games will matter once people have really sunk their teeth into Wii Sports.
To date, I have yet to have anyone ask me "What other games does it have?". I know it defies logic from a gamer's perspective, but the Wii just doesn't need the help to keep selling to the non-gamer.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: kiniki on January 01, 2007, 08:25:47 PM
I opened mine on Christmas Day.
The family had heard of it but really showed little interest. After convincing them to have a go, myself, parents and Grandparents were playing Wii Sports for about 4 hours.
My 70 year old Grandfather has actually been entertaining thoughts of getting one for the bowling alone. Whilst that is a pretty expensive purchase for just 1 game it shows how much of an effect this new system has on Gamers and non gamers alike.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: couchmonkey on January 02, 2007, 03:32:15 AM
I find this discussion on software very interesting. I do think it needs more than just WiiSports, but I think WiiSports alone might keep it going for a long time. Requiem calls it a "demo", but the thing to keep in mind is that the new consumers don't look at it that way. Hardcore gamers think of it as a demo because we expect 20+ hours of single player gameplay, plus slick presentation, plus controls that have a lot of depth (to the point where a lot of us were afraid that the Wiimote didn't have enough buttons). Non-gamers don't have those same expectations. My dad would rather spend $50 on Dr. Mario than Zelda.
However, in Requiem's favour, I feel some non-sports games (like WiiMusic) could draw in even more new crowds. Furthermore, getting 20 million new users who only play one game each isn't as good as 20 million who play three games each. If Nintendo never convinces these people to buy more than one game, the market could crash. Luckily, getting 20 million new customers draws in third parties, and in turn, the more traditional customers who buy tons of games. How many Square Enix fans are suddenly considering DS right now?
Still, enticing these new customers to buy more software is a challenge that Nintendo should try to take on, because it could equal massive new game sales and a stronger industry in general. I think Nintendo is up to the task. I have feeling there are several more WiiSports-like games in development, and looking at DS, Nintendo keeps on trying new things there to sell more software. Nintendo wants this new market.
Personally, I've got about three people considering buying one, out of maybe 12 that I've shown Wii to. I'm pretty sure at least one will buy.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 02, 2007, 04:27:25 AM
Quote Originally posted by: couchmonkey However, in Requiem's favour, I feel some non-sports games (like WiiMusic) could draw in even more new crowds. Furthermore, getting 20 million new users who only play one game each isn't as good as 20 million who play three games each. If Nintendo never convinces these people to buy more than one game, the market could crash. Luckily, getting 20 million new customers draws in third parties, and in turn, the more traditional customers who buy tons of games. How many Square Enix fans are suddenly considering DS right now?
You answered your own question.
But I likewise agree that the Wii needs as many non-gamer pulls as possible, which is why I've suggested they need a Wii Fitness game on quite a few occasions. If the DS can make people smrt, then the Wii should offer to make people phat.
I often wondered if having a large userbase but low 3rd party tie-ins would be bad for a console, but the thing is, the DS's best-sellers are all 1st party games and yet 3rd parties still continue to make games for it in decent quantity.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: couchmonkey on January 02, 2007, 05:48:22 AM
I assume by me answering my own question, you're saying that it won't crash because it'll draw in traditional customers with the high userbase? I think this is true up to a point, but who's to say that we won't get a situation in a few years where the non-gamers lose interest and withdraw their money from the system? I think Nintendo's too clever for that to put the company under, but it could destroy a lot of third parties.
The challenge in the future will be to constantly seek out new ways to entertain in fresh ways. Previously it looked like the industry was heading for "stabilization", where games wouldn't change as much and it would be up to unique storytelling and presentation, plus ever-increasing budgets, to keep our interest. Now I see that the future of interactive software can keep morphing as time goes on by changing the interface. (Edit - I always knew it was coming, but I didn't realize it could happen so soon or in such a compact package.)
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Requiem on January 02, 2007, 06:07:51 AM
Quote Originally posted by: couchmonkey I assume by me answering my own question, you're saying that it won't crash because it'll draw in traditional customers with the high userbase? I think this is true up to a point, but who's to say that we won't get a situation in a few years where the non-gamers lose interest and withdraw their money from the system? I think Nintendo's too clever for that to put the company under, but it could destroy a lot of third parties.
The challenge in the future will be to constantly seek out new ways to entertain in fresh ways. Previously it looked like the industry was heading for "stabilization", where games wouldn't change as much and it would be up to unique storytelling and presentation, plus ever-increasing budgets, to keep our interest. Now I see that the future of interactive software can keep morphing as time goes on by changing the interface. (Edit - I always knew it was coming, but I didn't realize it could happen so soon or in such a compact package.)
That's an interesting point. If new comers are content with just Wiisports, then Nintendo has failed. Wiisports is a demo, albeit, one of the best demo's ever made, but it is still a demo. Why, you ask? Well because it's there to demonstrate of course. It's suppose to show the potential of the system, and that's where it excells. However, if these new comers pass over everything and just want to play Wiisports, that's where Nintendo fails. It is there job to make those gamers look again.
They need to launch something with mass-appeal. Something that isn't looked apun as useless entertainment, but rather useful entertainment. How many of your parents hated it when you played Super Mario Bros. all day long? How many of them thought it was a big waste of time? That is exactly the mentality Nintendo needs to fight against. They need to show that some videogames can actually help you feel better, learn faster, yet still be very engaging and entertaining. They need, as Kairon so elequently put it, the Wii to become a lifestyle machine.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 02, 2007, 06:13:58 AM
Yeah, I meant about your observation that the additional userbase will further draw in 3rd parties even if that userbase may or may not buy their games.
The way I see it, games themselves are lucky if they sell to 5% of the userbase of a console. Thus, 3rd party devs already understand that their games aren't going to sell to everyone, but every additional user of the console is one more potential user which could wind up buying their game, and I imagine that there are a lot of non-gamers who are volatile in the sense that they will be drawn in by non-games but could wind up becoming gamers and start buying games.
I've always thought that Nintendo's move will likely help both Sony and MS in the long run as it WILL expand the gaming market as people who had no interest in games develop a taste for them.
Title: RE:The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: RampanT on January 02, 2007, 01:16:52 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
To date, I have yet to have anyone ask me "What other games does it have?". I know it defies logic from a gamer's perspective, but the Wii just doesn't need the help to keep selling to the non-gamer.
This made me smile, cos it's so true. I honestly think some of the 'older' people that I've had playing the Wii probably don't realise that it plays other games - such is the domination of Wii Sports. Wii Sports (and a quick shot on Wii Play) is the only game that other folks have seen.
I can see the point in stating that Wii Sports is somewhat of a demo - in that it's main purpose is to show the potential of the machine. But in every other respect, it could be classed as a complete game. I think the Golf alone could almost be classed as a complete game - there are only maybe three things holding it back. That is being able to select more clubs, such as different irons etc, more holes/courses, and the ability to control slice and hook properly - as well as being able to put backspin on the ball. Other than that, the functionality is virtually perfect. It's probably my favourite golf game of all time.
One thing is for sure, in Wii Sports, Nintendo have really laid some solid groundwork that should show the way to third party developers. I just can't wait for more Tennis and Golf titles for the Wii. I just hope they are implemented with the same level of quality.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on January 02, 2007, 02:58:15 PM
Tried Super Swing Golf? Most people seem to be enjoying it immensely and I can vouch that it's a good game.
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Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2007, 03:02:25 PM
SSG is just so... well, it has a hardcore interface. So many buttons and nobs and camera modes and options and ayayayayay...
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 02, 2007, 07:08:11 PM
I confess that at the moment I am part of the "I think Wii sports might not be enough" bandwagon since people are always craving for something new and exciting and at one point they will grow tired of the same old same old.
But on the Wii's case I am not terribly worried since there will be many new games coming that will appeal the non gamer player, because of their innovation as well as their charm and presentation.
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Post by: couchmonkey on January 03, 2007, 02:35:38 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Requiem
They need to launch something with mass-appeal. Something that isn't looked apun as useless entertainment, but rather useful entertainment. How many of your parents hated it when you played Super Mario Bros. all day long? How many of them thought it was a big waste of time? That is exactly the mentality Nintendo needs to fight against. They need to show that some videogames can actually help you feel better, learn faster, yet still be very engaging and entertaining. They need, as Kairon so elequently put it, the Wii to become a lifestyle machine.
If I may say so, I think WiiSports again succeeds at this. On seeing WiiSports, my aunt declared that it was about time someone made a video game that required people to be active.
A complete "WiiFitness" game like others (I think Smash Bro) have been asking for is a logical next step, but I think WiiSports has already convinced some of the non-gamers that the Wii can be a form of exercise. It could still be taken further, though.
Title: RE: The Unending Viral Chain?
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 04, 2007, 07:02:37 AM
Spelling Spree will be out in march and will be the first piece of edutainment made for a home console that I can recall in ages.
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Post by: Aussiedude on January 04, 2007, 07:42:31 AM
Let's hope then it's REAL english and not YANKIE english crap
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Post by: Requiem on January 04, 2007, 11:45:27 AM
Quote Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Quote Originally posted by: Requiem
They need to launch something with mass-appeal. Something that isn't looked apun as useless entertainment, but rather useful entertainment. How many of your parents hated it when you played Super Mario Bros. all day long? How many of them thought it was a big waste of time? That is exactly the mentality Nintendo needs to fight against. They need to show that some videogames can actually help you feel better, learn faster, yet still be very engaging and entertaining. They need, as Kairon so elequently put it, the Wii to become a lifestyle machine.
If I may say so, I think WiiSports again succeeds at this. On seeing WiiSports, my aunt declared that it was about time someone made a video game that required people to be active.
Oh I definitely understand that WiiSports is a huge step forward, but you need more than that. WiiSports 2 will garner even more support, I'm sure, but you need more than that too.
WiiMusic, WiiDraw (Paint), WiiSpell, WiiCook, and WiiFitness are all things that I think need to come into existence. These hit different, but equally important demographics, and together they could bring about a multi-headed Cerberus of sorts, with each head (game) having it's own viral chain.
You don't understand how few people I showed this video too, yet how many people talked to me about it afterwards. (Think 3 to 30)
Nintendo needs to realize (and I think they do) that there are potentially bigger killer-apps than WiiSports.
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Post by: IceCold on January 05, 2007, 08:45:32 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Aussiedude Let's hope then it's REAL english and not YANKIE english crap