Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 27, 2006, 04:06:31 PM
The editorial talks about how Nintendo should consider demos of the VC games so that you can try before you buy. The guy offers some really good points and I agree with him. I think the prices for the VC games are a robbery, and it would suck that you spend money on a crappy game, so trying it before you download it sounds logical and not that hard to pull off.
Read the rest here.
Post by: Leck on December 27, 2006, 04:09:16 PM
However, I already regret getting Wario's Woods and Toejam and Earl :|
Even if its just a time limited thing, say you can play for an hour or two then it deletes itself. Shouldn't be too hard to do.
Post by: Mario on December 27, 2006, 06:25:32 PM
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But then that got me thinking. What if I don't like it again, even after playing through more than just the beginning? I'll have wasted at least 800 Wii Points which I won't get back, on a game I'll wind up removing from my Wii's memory.
Then you're a MORON for downloading a game you aren't interested in.
Never happening.
Post by: 18 Days on December 27, 2006, 08:41:01 PM
Post by: Nephilim on December 27, 2006, 10:32:25 PM
demo's do work
Post by: JonLeung on December 28, 2006, 01:03:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
The point of VC isn't to let you download every crappy game you want, get games you would normally buy with it, and its a great deal.
*sigh* I wish it was made with collectors in mind. I was hoping to have every NES game ever made on the Wii. At $1 a game I'd gladly spend around $700. At $2 I'd consider spending $1400. Any more, forget it, the dream of every NES game is gone. As it is I only have Super Mario Bros. and Street Fighter II. (Since I can't really collect them, now I'm going to regret those purchases if Super Mario All-Stars and Super Street Fighter II come too soon.) See, now Nintendo's making a lot less money off of me. Though I guess the average consumer who'd only buy a few games, they'd get a better return from.
Not that they'd release every NES game anyway. And even if they could come close, they might spread all their releases over more than just the lifespan of the Wii.
Oh crap, what if the next game console doesn't support the VC games you got for the Wii? I suppose since they keep a record of which games you bought, they could let you access the same games even if you had to re-download them. But if the download record is wiped clean, that would really suck. >_<
Post by: Artimus on December 28, 2006, 02:49:23 AM
Post by: ryancoke on December 28, 2006, 02:57:16 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 28, 2006, 04:15:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario Then you're a MORON for downloading a game you aren't interested in.
And we've come to the biggest issue the VC has: how do we know these games don't suck a whole pile of ass before we pay money for them?
We don't.
Demos exist for a REASON: the cautious consumer likes to TRY before they buy, and like Deadly said, demos work.
I'd recommend a 5 minute timer or something and after that the rom resets. Just enough time for people to get a sample of the game to see if they'll like it or not.
I've read the descriptions of some of the games and I honestly don't think these are any way to determine whether or not you'll enjoy the game. That's one of the reasons I won't touch the VC until I see a game I know is worth the multiplayer hours.
Post by: Ian Sane on December 28, 2006, 05:43:13 AM
Of course there is a way to test the game before you buy. It's just of questionable legality though I've used it many times to determine which used SNES games to buy.
Post by: Requiem on December 28, 2006, 05:47:02 AM
Post by: MarioAllStar on December 28, 2006, 06:05:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
Roms are "legal" if you own a copy of the game...
From what I understand, you have to make your own back-up for it to be legal, at least by U.S. law. Owning a physical copy of the game does not entitle you to download the back-ups of others. I do not want to start a ROM discussion, so I'll leave it at that.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 28, 2006, 06:54:28 AM
What about game reviews? Someone should start a retro review site for VC games, seeing how they stood the test of time. Or at least dedicate a portion of a site to it.
I wouldn't be dumb enough to buy something I didn't like. I'd ask around. It's like buying any other game.
I'm not saying demos are a bad idea. That'd be good, if it were feasible. But it really shouldn't be necessary.
Post by: Ian Sane on December 28, 2006, 07:23:51 AM
That doesn't work out to well if your goal is to try the game before you buy it.
"I feel like my purchase of Altered Beast was a total rip-off and wish I could have tried it first."
Hell that's probably an incentive for Nintendo and the rest to not offer demos. There is obviously SOME incentive, at least from Nintendo's own offerings, to get us to buy weaker titles. Why else is Urban Champion being made available before Super Mario World? Why else did all these NES sports titles that were seen as dated in 1988 get released before Super Mario Bros? Not having demos might encourage sales of crappy games that don't stand the test of time.
In real life you can always rent a game and here you can't so I think demos are much more necessary than they are on consoles that use physical media. Maybe renting is the answer. For a lower price you can rent games for a time. Nintendo would probably like that because they'd get money from it.
Post by: The Omen on December 28, 2006, 07:49:24 AM
Get a stinking job!
Post by: Leck on December 28, 2006, 08:55:46 AM
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Post by: IceCold on December 28, 2006, 07:37:21 PM
QuoteHow would you know that new Wii games don't suck a whole pile of ass before you pay $50 (way more than VC games) for them? You look at media, impressions and reviews of them. That's why NWR has the Retro Recommendation thingy, and why so many sites have VC reviews.
And we've come to the biggest issue the VC has: how do we know these games don't suck a whole pile of ass before we pay money for them?
We don't.
I don't generally rely on the scores of the reviews. Rather, I read them and pick out what I would like and what I wouldn't, then look at the game in motion, then buy it if it interested me enough.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on December 28, 2006, 07:56:20 PM
The games come with a desciption before you download. "In this game you save the world! Give us your points!" What else do you need? And there's a rumour that the internet has more than just tranny elephant porn on it, you can research the likes of 'Tennis' and 'Super Mario Bros.' (sounds like a dumb game no way I'd pay to download that!)
Post by: Requiem on December 28, 2006, 08:00:12 PM
Normal games do, so what's the difference.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on December 28, 2006, 08:04:54 PM
Post by: ryancoke on December 29, 2006, 03:06:03 AM
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How would you know that new Wii games don't suck a whole pile of ass before you pay $50 (way more than VC games) for them?
That's why I rent games before I buy them. Unless it's a definate must have like Zelda or Superman 64
just kidding on SM64
Post by: Donutt007 on December 29, 2006, 05:19:09 AM
For VC reviews check out this page
VC Review
It's a page based in the UK but has all the US info too.
They seem to give pretty decent reviews. Such as Altered Beast
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Considering it's one of the first games for Sega's Megadrive, it would be foolish to expect this to be a 'must have' title on the Virtual Console. However Altered Beast has a charm that few other games have. The speech is priceless (who could forget the first time they heard the immortal words: "Wise Fwom You Gwave"?) and although the gameplay is pretty basic, it's fun while it lasts - which isn't very long, to be perfectly honest. Even a gamer of average skill should be able to complete this in the space of a day or two
Is it worth 800 points? Probably not. You could probably pick up a Megadrive and a copy of the game for less. But if you were a fan of the game all those years ago, you could do a lot worse than give this a spin
Post by: vudu on December 29, 2006, 05:23:21 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 05:31:53 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold How would you know that new Wii games don't suck a whole pile of ass before you pay $50 (way more than VC games) for them? You look at media, impressions and reviews of them. That's why NWR has the Retro Recommendation thingy, and why so many sites have VC reviews.
I've been renting them through Gamefly, actually, because I would have regretted paying $6 to rent them from Blockbuster.
Here's the thing, though: if I buy a craptacular game, I might be able to return it to the store. At the VERY least, I can sell it back for store credit and get some of my purchase refunded.
If I buy a crap VC game, I'm f*cked. I can't return it, I can't sell it back. I don't recall Nintendo having a "lemon" game policy and some of the games on the VC are CERTAINLY lemons in my book.
Also, were I to follow NWR's retro recommendation, I'd already own at least two games which I'd hate.
Post by: Donutt007 on December 29, 2006, 05:38:37 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
That's a pretty horrible Altered Beast review. A better one would be this game sux dont bye it k thx bye
No, I think that was a good review. I used to play that game all the time on my brothers genesis. The review basically says, "Hey, it ain't worth 800 points unless you're a fan" The only reason I'd buy it is for the nostalgia of it. But since I'm an arcade Tech and I have a full size arcade version of Altered Beast, I'd much rather play that.
Post by: vudu on December 29, 2006, 06:31:35 AM
QuoteYou seem to forget that the price of a VC game is still less than what you'd effectively spend on a crap game you sold back to the GameStop. Even if you sell back a game on the day it comes out, you'll be lucky to get half of what you paid for it.
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Here's the thing, though: if I buy a craptacular game, I might be able to return it to the store. At the VERY least, I can sell it back for store credit and get some of my purchase refunded.
If I buy a crap VC game, I'm f*cked. I can't return it, I can't sell it back. I don't recall Nintendo having a "lemon" game policy and some of the games on the VC are CERTAINLY lemons in my book.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 29, 2006, 06:43:28 AM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteYou seem to forget that the price of a VC game is still less than what you'd effectively spend on a crap game you sold back to the GameStop. Even if you sell back a game on the day it comes out, you'll be lucky to get half of what you paid for it.
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Here's the thing, though: if I buy a craptacular game, I might be able to return it to the store. At the VERY least, I can sell it back for store credit and get some of my purchase refunded.
If I buy a crap VC game, I'm f*cked. I can't return it, I can't sell it back. I don't recall Nintendo having a "lemon" game policy and some of the games on the VC are CERTAINLY lemons in my book.
To SB, every penny is worth something. Even if he spent 5 bucks on a crappy game, its 5 bucks he lost and could've used for something of higher importance.
He already mentioned that he is a budget and is making sure he doesn't waste money on crappy games.
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 06:51:45 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu You seem to forget that the price of a VC game is still less than what you'd effectively spend on a crap game you sold back to the GameStop. Even if you sell back a game on the day it comes out, you'll be lucky to get half of what you paid for it.
Yeah, but I can rent those Wii games for the same price, often less.
When an $8 VC game and a $4 Wii game rental will be over and done with for me in the same amount of time, why buy VC?
Post by: RampanT on December 30, 2006, 08:19:14 PM
But seriously, I hope you're right. I hope Nintendo loosen up on the pricing. VC games that are 3 - 6 months old drop in price, or you buy 3 get one free or the like. My instinct says that there will be no price drops in at least the first year, if at all.
