Post by: Viewtiful mario on December 23, 2006, 03:13:47 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 23, 2006, 03:34:08 PM
Again, I can't exactly tell you why. The best bet would be to search around and play some games.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on December 23, 2006, 05:42:29 PM
Post by: Kairon on December 23, 2006, 06:21:49 PM
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Dragon Quest was the first ever non-game. Japan + non-game = $_$
QFT.
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Post by: Viewtiful mario on December 24, 2006, 04:44:34 AM
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Dragon Quest was the first ever non-game. Japan + non-game = $_$
That doesn't make any sence, it's not like Brainage or nintendogs where there isn't an end goal, this is a story driven RPG.
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but I'm guessing some other reasons include appealing old school gameplay, classic fantasy stories and cool art style
Well Okiami had a fanticy stroy and a cool aryt style and it sold badly. An also, DQ IV is going to have a different battle system than the others so I don't think it's because it's "old-school"
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 24, 2006, 05:03:47 AM
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Dragon Quest was the first ever non-game. Japan + non-game = $_$
That doesn't make any sence, it's not like Brainage or nintendogs where there isn't an end goal, this is a story driven RPG.Quote
but I'm guessing some other reasons include appealing old school gameplay, classic fantasy stories and cool art style
Well Okiami had a fanticy stroy and a cool aryt style and it sold badly. An also, DQ IV is going to have a different battle system than the others so I don't think it's because it's "old-school"
Spell check is your best friend
.Dragon quest had already been established as a series while Okami came and went and received very little support from Capcom, so its silly to even bring it up in this discussion.
And just because it will have a different battle engine it doesn't mean that it won't have an old school charm. Like I said, part of the charm comes from the classic fantasy story, the characters and the fantasy medieval atmosphere.
As I mentioned, I can't exactly tell anyone why this series is so popular. The only way to find out is to bite the bullet and play them.
Post by: Kairon on December 24, 2006, 07:23:16 AM
VC release plz!
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Post by: Viewtiful mario on December 24, 2006, 08:27:33 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 24, 2006, 08:32:07 AM
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well, this is no help at all.
Well, how can you find the answer to a subjective questions?
When asking why something its popular expect to have lots of different answers. I'm sure there are fans that think this series is God's gift to mankind while there are others that can't stand it.
Again, the only way you can understand a little why people love the series is to try the games out. Try hunting down Dragon quest 1 for the NES, rent DQ VIII on the PS2 or try out any of the spin off games like Rocket slime on the DS and DQ Swords (when it comes out).
Post by: ShyGuy on December 24, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 26, 2006, 09:14:41 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy It got its hooks in early.
Honestly, this has more to do with it than anything.
The Japanese seem to adopt something and love it to death forever, no matter how crappy and clichéd it may become as time wears on.
Post by: Artimus on December 26, 2006, 09:18:26 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on December 26, 2006, 10:52:51 AM
Unless someone speaks Japanese and played the games you probably won't get a very good answer because so many didn't make it to the US. I only played the first and eighth.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 26, 2006, 11:33:14 AM
Post by: jasonditz on December 26, 2006, 03:59:44 PM
The franchise is instantly recognizable, and is held to very high standards. Buying a mainline DQ game is like buying a Super Mario Brothers platformer or a Zelda game.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 02, 2007, 04:15:45 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy It got its hooks in early.
Honestly, this has more to do with it than anything.
The Japanese seem to adopt something and love it to death forever, no matter how crappy and clichéd it may become as time wears on.
I also agree, it was the first, so people keep coming back. The same could be said for a lot of games: Mario Kart, Super Mario, Zelda, Grand Theft Auto, and Tetris have not been outdone in popularity in their respective genres. Final Fantasy was the first to really get its hooks in in North America and no other Japanese RPG can touch it here now.
First-person shooters have a more mixed history, but even there, I'd argue that the name "Doom" has just as much power as Halo, Half-Life or Unreal.
Even Tomb Raider and Mortal Kombat: sure they dropped the ball a lot of times and people look down on them sometimes, but can you name a more popular "gore" fighter than MK, or a more popular female lead than Lara Croft? It's all about being first.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 02, 2007, 04:43:32 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 02, 2007, 05:57:12 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 02, 2007, 06:16:09 AM
DQ? Well, Japan is more franchise-centric than any other market.
And DQ isn't whored out as much as Mario, and DQ is never really a launch game, so their market is hungry for a DQ game each time, since there's usually an ample installed user base prior to a formal DQ release.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 02, 2007, 06:48:13 AM
Mario's a lot easier to defend. Like DQ it's the innovator but, unlike DQ, Mario has usually been on the cutting edge of design for its genre. The main Mario series has been known for being on top of the platforming genre. To explain what's so special about it is to explain what's so special about platformers in general. The Mario series make up some of the best platforming games of all time. THAT is what is so special about Mario. I find that applies to a LOT of Nintendo franchises. They're special because they're the best of their kind.
Dragon Quest doesn't have that. I don't think I've heard any "best RPG ever" discussions suggest any DQ games.
Post by: Louieturkey on January 02, 2007, 07:18:23 AM
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Dragon Quest doesn't have that. I don't think I've heard any "best RPG ever" discussions suggest any DQ games.
In the US at least. I'm guessing it gets a lot more fanfare for best RPG series in Japan. In the US, Final Fantasy will probably always win even if it doesn't always deserve it.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 02, 2007, 07:22:58 AM
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"what's so special about Mario?"
Mario's a lot easier to defend. Like DQ it's the innovator but, unlike DQ, Mario has usually been on the cutting edge of design for its genre. The main Mario series has been known for being on top of the platforming genre. To explain what's so special about it is to explain what's so special about platformers in general. The Mario series make up some of the best platforming games of all time. THAT is what is so special about Mario. I find that applies to a LOT of Nintendo franchises. They're special because they're the best of their kind.
Dragon Quest doesn't have that. I don't think I've heard any "best RPG ever" discussions suggest any DQ games.
Well, I don't know if it stands up today, but this was also true of Dragon Quest in the NES era. DQIV even seemed pretty good by early SNES RPG standards when I played it.
DQ has potentially lost this in recent years (I've heard bad stuff anyway) but at least in the beginning it was a big deal.
Post by: segagamer12 on January 02, 2007, 10:10:32 AM
Post by: Galford on January 03, 2007, 01:34:10 AM
It is the template for many RPGs to come.
In the US the series never took off for a number of reasons, one being it was very hard to find.
The US never got any of the SNES games or their re-releases. There was something like a 10 year gap
between Dragon Warrior 4 and Dragon Warrior 7 in the US. When Dragon Warrior 4 came out
it was very hard to find.
Each FF game is different. When an FF game comes out it pushes the limit of sound and
graphics with fresh gameplay. Based on history alone I know FF13 is going to be different then FF12.
DQ9 is literally the first DQ game with a different battle system. The battle systems of DQ1-8 are just slight variations of each other.
DQ games tend to be too long. While I've never played DW7, I've been told by every person
who has that it's 40 hours of content with 40 hours of leveling grinding. Thus it's an 80 hour game
for all the wrong reasons.
PS- Edited for grammar.
PPS-InfernalMonkey, what is Midna doing in your avatar?
Post by: jakeOSX on January 03, 2007, 01:58:50 AM
all i remember of dq1 was that i had to go to a menu to open a door.
that being said, i am still looking forward to dq9. (even if it is gauntlet)
Post by: couchmonkey on January 03, 2007, 02:47:30 AM
It's possible the Japanese look back fondly on grinding, even. Lately Smash Bro has been on a mission to tear down RPGs because he thinks they're tedious instead of challenging. When I played Final Fantasy II/IV for the first time on Super Nintendo, I remember thinking it was too easy because I never had to level up to get into a new area - grinding was the challenge. Over the years, I came more to Smash Bro's way of thinking - grinding is boring instead of challenging, but I guess it's possible that some gamers, and the Japanese in particular, still view grinding as a sign of a challenging RPG.
Post by: ryancoke on January 03, 2007, 03:00:27 AM
Post by: segagamer12 on January 03, 2007, 07:04:16 AM
