Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 05, 2006, 01:55:47 AM
The current titles are:
# Cool Boarders - $5.99
# Crash Bandicoot - $5.99
# Hot Shots Golf 2 - $5.99
# Syphon Filter - $5.99
# Tekken 2 -$5.99
A PlayStation 3 is currently required to download these titles in order to play them on a PSP.
Even though the price may seem good for a PS1 game here are the drawbacks:
1. Gimped control scheme since....
2. It's only playable on PSP (for now) so these downloads are useless if you don't have a PSP
3. Not playable on PS3 (for now)
4. No multiplayer which is BS especially for stuff like Tekken 2.
5. The game download sizes are approx. 125MB - 700MB so the games will eat away memory sticks fast.
6. Games get locked after being sent to 5 different PSPs or 5 different times (Sony didnt elaborate on this one)
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 05, 2006, 02:30:43 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2006, 04:10:37 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on December 05, 2006, 04:35:30 AM
Post by: hudsonhawk on December 05, 2006, 04:41:32 AM
Honestly, having never owned a PSOne - once this is available for download directly on the PSP and the game selection improves, it might make it worth getting a PSP. The price is definitely right - I agree with Brandogg, hopefully MS and Nintendo will follow suit and lower their prices. I'm not going to pay $10+ for older games.
Post by: Ian Sane on December 05, 2006, 04:55:12 AM
I too hope that Nintendo adjusts their prices accordingly but really they'll only do so if this becomes legitimate competition to the VC. Because of the unnecessary (and obviously greed influenced) hardware requirement I figure this will never take off, or at least not as it is.
I want it to do well though to create VC competition.
Post by: capamerica on December 05, 2006, 05:19:47 AM
I can't complain to much about Nintendo's priceing, infact I don't mind it all that much since I am purchinsing convenience by not having to have all my systems hooked up to play old Nintendo games. With out the VC If I wanted to play the orignal Zelda I would have to hook up my NES and play it on that, with the VC thats just one less system I need to have hooked up... well 5 less actually, 6 if I want to count my GameCube.
I wouldn't mind a price drop with the NES & Genesies games but the others I feel are fine. At atleast Nintendo has hinted that there could be updates to some of these games in the future.
Sony on the other hand, if you own the game already their is no point in downloading it again. Just take the game and put it in, I guess you could say backwards compatibility is the PSOne Stores worst enemy. Now once Sony starts putting up copies of games like Lunar which go for about $60-150 on eBay then we have a reason to start using it. But I see that being very very far off.
Post by: ThePerm on December 05, 2006, 07:25:24 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 05, 2006, 07:30:07 AM
And by running into I mean rom.
Both Zelda's were 32mb each.
Post by: Kairon on December 05, 2006, 07:48:02 AM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
Sony on the other hand, if you own the game already their is no point in downloading it again. Just take the game and put it in, I guess you could say backwards compatibility is the PSOne Stores worst enemy. Now once Sony starts putting up copies of games like Lunar which go for about $60-150 on eBay then we have a reason to start using it. But I see that being very very far off.
I don't. This has the potential to be a HUGE spoiler for Nintendo. Soon they'll update the PSP to be able to download via a computer, and update the PS3 to be able to play these games itself.
And, it's only a matter of time before the lucrative PS library opens up and third parties jump on, eager to reap money off of their lucrative properties. Unless Sony manages to screw this up. But if they do, then they're truly hopeless. This is a goldmine the size of which Nintendo and MS can never hope to match.
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Post by: capamerica on December 05, 2006, 09:32:12 AM
Working Designs the people who brought over Lunar to the US and holds the US rights to it are VERY pissed off at Sony right now and in a statement a few months back made it clear you will never see their name on another Playstation game. They even went as far as blaming Sony for the near closure of their studio since Sony has such a large stick up their butt in regards to 2D games.
I don't think the PSOne library is as much of a goldmind as you might think, If anything Sony wishes they had Nintendo's library. You need to keep in mind that there really are not a whole lot of games worth downloading in the PSOne library, Sony won alot more based on Quantity over Quality. Sure their might me alot of games, BUT how many people will download Madden '95 - 2k6 or any of the 4 Ridge Racer games for the PSOne when they can just buy the latest PSP version? Why buy Tekken 2 for $6 when I can just buy the FAR better game of Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection for $25. There are a few gems in the PSOne library that will be worth buying, but its no sure bet that Sony will be allowed to have them on their store. The GameStudios own the games not Sony.
If Square were to tell Sony that they don't want their games on the PSOne Store then Sony can't put them up. We could very well see No Final Fantasy games on the store which is one of the few series that people would buy. Infact with the size limit I think we're going to see very few RPGs cause with the size limit that removes all Multi-disc games.
I also don't think you'll ever see the PSOne Store on the PC, that would just invite hackers and pirates.
Post by: Ceric on December 05, 2006, 10:45:03 AM
Post by: MysticGohan on December 05, 2006, 12:16:16 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2006, 03:26:47 PM
Post by: Galford on December 06, 2006, 08:27:25 AM
No two player and not being able to play on the PS3 kinda sucks.
The price however is not bad.
Notice how much space those games take up on a memory stick.
If Square ever wanted to release their PS1 colllection this is the place they would do it.
If anything I hope this creates competition so Nintendo will lower it's VC prices.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 06, 2006, 08:42:26 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on December 07, 2006, 01:18:58 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2006, 01:27:02 PM
Post by: Amodaus1 on December 07, 2006, 01:32:09 PM
doesn't the c-stick on the GC controller cover the c buttons on the N-64 controller. They are the same thing, conceptually nintendo just didn't pull off the second analog.
Post by: SixthAngel on December 07, 2006, 02:21:46 PM
If you notice I don't think a single one of the games I am picking up is fully 3d. That is because the typical 3d psone game has AGED HORRIBLY. Besides the fact that these 3d games look like ass most of the popular ones have had sequels on the subsequent systems that play better and are visually appealing.
Post by: vudu on December 07, 2006, 02:26:57 PM
QuoteThey also forgot to factor in the price of a Sony memory card; those things aren't as cheap as SD cards. I think a 2 gig card will run you $50 - $75.
Originally posted by: Professional 666
You all forgot to factor in the price and availability of the ps3.
Post by: Amodaus1 on December 07, 2006, 02:57:02 PM
There are only a handful of games on ps1 i bet people are willing to play, and most of them are probably square titles, aka FF7. But square probably wants no part in a $6 pricing of their game, which they reap probably $4 from. They know if they remake ff7, or hell just re-release the damn thing they'll make more.
Most series on the ps1 haven't aged well in terms of graphics either, i mean the 64 is tolerable, but damn does the original RE look pixelated as all hell. Expect the only game worth downloading to never be downloaded, and thats symphony of the night. And yeah, i forgot, these games take up some massive space that will just eat into those gig packs for the psp, expect people to catch on quick to how much SUCK this whole ps3 psp transfer / psp memory stick is.
EDIT: when is say the graphics suck, i mean strickly for the psONE, i love all 2-D games so naturally i think the snes has better graphics then the psone. The only thing going for psone was the FMV, other wise all their games LOOKED like pixelated trash
Post by: Smoke39 on December 07, 2006, 02:59:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Amodaus1
doesn't the c-stick on the GC controller cover the c buttons on the N-64 controller. They are the same thing, conceptually nintendo just didn't pull off the second analog.
No. A stick is a pathetic emulation of face buttons.
Post by: capamerica on December 07, 2006, 03:09:06 PM
And I think your right Amodaus, Sqaure will ask for more then $6 a game, Sqaure still ships out copies of the greatest hits versions of FFVII-FFIX and they retail for about $20 still. I also think there a better odds right now of us seeing the PSOne Final Fantasy games on the DS then on the PSOne store any time soon. Square could sell Final Fantasy VII DS for $45 and people would be all over it.
Has Square even announced suport for the PSOne store?
Post by: KDR_11k on December 07, 2006, 05:28:46 PM
Post by: Kairon on December 07, 2006, 08:17:18 PM
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on December 08, 2006, 02:52:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Brandogg
I think we all realize this fact - but, if you buy enough games on each system, eventually the PS3+PSP+PSOne downloads will turn out to be a cheaper investment. Also, there's no C-Buttons for N64 games on any Wii or Gamecube controllers. Any games that actually used all 6 face buttons for non-camera purposes just don't feel right.
Have you done the math? On top of the Wii and a classic controller, you'd have to buy more than 40 N64 games on the VC to catch up to just the price of the cheaper PS3 and a PSP.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 08, 2006, 03:51:33 AM
So one of Nintendo's advantages is in what the old 2D games represent to lapsed gamers and gamers like me who grew up on those old systems. People who didn't like 3D games or who lost interest because Super Nintendo had "too many buttons" don't care about Playstation.
Besides that, Nintendo has a big lead in this whole thing - you've got five different consoles on one system, and of course Nintendo itself has ten extra years of great games compared to Sony. Once Sony adds Genesis or TurboGrafx to its downloads, then we'll talk.
Post by: vudu on December 08, 2006, 06:38:45 AM
QuoteI just did the math.
Originally posted by: PartyBear
Have you done the math? On top of the Wii and a classic controller, you'd have to buy more than 40 N64 games on the VC to catch up to just the price of the cheaper PS3 and a PSP.
If you plan on purchasing 158 games from that generation it would be cheaper to purchase a PS3, PSP and a memory stick. If you plan on purchasing less than 158 games it's cheaper to purchase a Wii and a classic controller.
PSOne: $600 PS3 + $200 PSP + $100 two gig memory stick + 158 PSOne games @ $6 each = $1,848
N64: $250 Wii + $20 classic controller + 158 N64 games @ $10 each = $1,850
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 08, 2006, 06:47:27 AM
Plus wait, the prices may drop on Virtual Console games later.
Post by: Kairon on December 08, 2006, 07:24:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Who is planning on buying 158 classic games for the Wii?
Hmm...tempting... I've already bought what... 10?
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 08, 2006, 07:54:52 AM
Post by: Amodaus1 on December 08, 2006, 11:33:08 AM
Post by: Ceric on December 09, 2006, 05:05:05 AM
Edit:
or 316 NES Games
or ~198 SNES Games
or ~263 Turbograpix Games(There 600 points right)
or I can't remember the points for Genesis
