Post by: crashnnburn on November 26, 2006, 08:15:29 PM
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Post by: Pikachelsea on November 27, 2006, 02:01:08 AM
Even if Nintendo wanted to do this, there's just no way it would work, and gamers themselves don't have any reason to when they own the original games unless your game doesn't work anymore.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 27, 2006, 03:35:22 AM
$5 for a game I can download and play on my PC in under 7 seconds is ludicrous, especially a crap game like NES sports.
The only exception to this rule are games which you can't find anymore of multiplayer games, like Bomberman, which would be infinitely easier to play on a console with controllers than trying to fit multiple people around a keyboard.
SSB will still be the first VC game I buy.
Post by: crashnnburn on November 27, 2006, 05:49:01 AM
Post by: Kairon on November 27, 2006, 05:52:50 AM
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Post by: Vance on November 27, 2006, 06:03:16 AM
- The VC feature is the thing I love most about the Wii. There are thousands of NES, SNES, Genesis, TurboGrafx-16, and N64 games I've never played and can't easily find on eBay or game stores. I would gladly pay $5-10 a piece to play these classics again, and there are even some titles I already own that I'd buy again just to support my favorite developers and play their games on the Wii.
- Personally, I don't want Nintendo or any third party to make any changes to the games I love. As a gamer who loves his nostalgia, I want to have the confidence to know that if I do purchase a game on the VC, that it is as close to if not exactly the same beloved classic that I loved when it was first released. If they do include upgrades of any kind (like extra game modes, levels, or better graphics), they should clearly label those versions of the game with the words "Enhanced" with descriptions of what they added to the game, and give gamers the option of turning these enhancements on or off.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 27, 2006, 07:09:16 AM
Personally I won't be re-buying anything, but I look forward to buying some games I missed.
Post by: wandering on November 27, 2006, 07:17:11 AM
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I think the games are obnoxiously overpriced, yes.
$5 for a game I can download and play on my PC in under 7 seconds is ludicrous, especially a crap game like NES sports.
*shrug* I could steal a six pack from a convenience store in under 7 seconds. I guess that makes $5 a "ludicrous" price for such an item.
I missed out on the NES and SNES generations, and, for me, the prices are more than acceptable. I'd much rather pay $5 for a classic game, that I can spend hours enjoying in the comfort of my living room, than $1 for a few minutes of lossy music that will only play on an ipod.
Post by: Pikachelsea on November 27, 2006, 07:26:10 AM
Anyway, comparing the Virtual Console prices to the cost of PC piracy is retarded. Any price that Nintendo sets is going to be "overpriced" compared to free piracy. :P
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 27, 2006, 07:51:50 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering *shrug* I could steal a six pack from a convenience store in under 7 seconds. I guess that makes $5 a "ludicrous" price for such an item.
Except the likelihood of being caught is 99.9% higher and you'd actually have to leave your house to do so.
There are tons of ROM sites which function right out in the open and no one has shut them down yet. Honestly, I'm not sure how they do it, but there's a minimal chance of legal drawback to downloading them.
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I missed out on the NES and SNES generations, and, for me, the prices are more than acceptable. I'd much rather pay $5 for a classic game, that I can spend hours enjoying in the comfort of my living room, than $1 for a few minutes of lossy music that will only play on an ipod.
First of all, you lost me at "enjoying". Most of those games suck a whole pile of ass which is what truly makes me scratch my head about the price. Paying $8 for something like Chrono Trigger or FFVI, sure, I can see that, as you're looking at 30-40 hours of gameplay and that WOULD be more comfortable in a living room.
But most of the games up now are sh*tty NES sports games which probably weren't even very good at the time, and to say sports games age poorly is the understatement of the century. Those games should be 99¢ and not a penny more.
Lastly, are you implying the iTunes music store? I don't see how the comparison holds any relevance. You can hate the store, Apple and mp3s all you want but it doesn't make any of those NES games any less of a goddamn rip-off.
The VC console will be worthwhile when we start getting games which need a living room, controllers and 4 players to truly enjoy. Then and only then will the console truly hold its own.
Right now, if I want to play SMB, LoZ, Punch-Out or Ice Climber, I'll play them in Animal Crossing, or steal them, like any sensible person would.
Post by: wandering on November 27, 2006, 08:50:19 AM
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First of all, you lost me at "enjoying". Most of those games suck a whole pile of ass which is what truly makes me scratch my head about the price.
F-Zero, Mario Bros, Zelda, Sonic, and Mario 64 are all quite enjoyable, and worth the money, in my opinion.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 27, 2006, 10:13:13 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering And, no, I don't consider stealing a viable alternative to purchasing them. Maybe that means I'm not sensible.
Honestly, I couldn't even see bothering to steal most of the NES games. But I'd much rather put that $5 toward a Wii game from a 3rd party to encourage more 3rd party support (I already did this, really).
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Anyway, comparing the Virtual Console prices to the cost of PC piracy is retarded. Any price that Nintendo sets is going to be "overpriced" compared to free piracy. :P
Not in the wonderful world of economics, my friend, the principles which govern every human action ever taken...ever.
See, if it's a single player game that looked sorta decent, I'd steal it and try it, lest I wound up paying $5 for a terrible game.
However, if we're talking about a game which is either multiplayer or offers enough engaging gameplay that it warrants the comfort of the living room, the fee the VC charges is basically a one time fee to be able to play with the convenience and comfort the Wii offers, and that much I WOULD pay for.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 27, 2006, 11:02:10 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 27, 2006, 11:56:32 AM
I am more inclined to give a game a go that I missed in the past, not one that I can play so easily.
Post by: IceCold on November 27, 2006, 04:09:10 PM
QuoteThen don't buy it. And if they're as bad as you say, the "wonderful world of economics" will make sure that few people will buy them, forcing Nintendo to lower the price. I think that the best games of the VC consoles are definitely worth the price..
But most of the games up now are sh*tty NES sports games which probably weren't even very good at the time, and to say sports games age poorly is the understatement of the century. Those games should be 99¢ and not a penny more.
Post by: ryro on November 29, 2006, 04:37:56 AM
For me the VC is about playing games I missed or don't have. The cheapest I see actual physical old NES games for is five bucks. Nintendo isn't ripping anybody off, unless you think that having to pay for things to have them means you're being ripped off. Besides: The Wii's only been out for about ten days. If in six months the VC has hardly any games and most of them suck, then I'll consider it a let-down.
I'm waiting for Blazing Lasers as far as top down shooters go, but how is this Super Star Soldier game?
Post by: Ian Sane on November 29, 2006, 05:08:30 AM
And if you really want everything accessable from one machine it doesn't take a lot of effort to do that for free. If you only downloaded games you already had I don't think anyone would think you were doing anything unethical (aside from Nintendo of course).
The idea of sending cartridges in sounds scary. A game cartridge will always work provided you own working hardware to run it. They came out before this bullsh!t "you buy the licence to use it" idealogy came about. No matter what that copy is YOURS and you can play it as long as your physical copy lasts. With all this download stuff there's nothing stopping Nintendo from sending some firmware to your machine to deactivate all VC games. That likely won't happen but it could. You don't own a physical copy so you could lose your game. Ten years after the SNES was discontinued my games still work. If my SNES breaks I can buy a used one. If my Wii breaks years after it has been discontinued my VC games are GONE. That is why I really don't like the idea of trading cartridges for downloads. Something physical, if preserved well, could last forever. A digital copy can be lost permenantly in a second.
Post by: Striderprime00 on November 29, 2006, 05:45:28 AM
Also, the development cost of these games are really cheap and have been paid for a long time ago. They also don't need to make physical copies, so there are no fixed cost involved. Maybe a few pennies for putting up on the Virtual Console site. So, I'm not convinced that they can't offer these games at a lower price and still not stay hugely profitable. If they want to make more money and get more people to buy the VC games, they need to lower the price.
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Post by: JonLeung on November 29, 2006, 08:54:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Striderprime00
So, I'm not convinced that they can't offer these games at a lower price and still not stay hugely profitable. If they want to make more money and get more people to buy the VC games, they need to lower the price.
I agree. As I said before, if NES games were under $2 and they could guarantee the whole library, I might be willing to pay approximately $1400 for it all. Or at least a hundred or two for all the good ones. At $5 a NES game (and not a great selection) I haven't spent anything yet. I probably will, but I certainly won't be "collecting".
Post by: Kairon on November 29, 2006, 02:30:47 PM
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 01, 2006, 01:20:01 AM
