Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 17, 2006, 08:10:35 AM
Tell me if you come across any, what store, online/offline, etc.
I'm NOT going to pay Madcatz or Pelican's riCOCKulous $40 whatever price tag for S-Video cables.
I happen to require 2 sets of cables. One for the living room game area, the other for video captures on my desktop.
[original post Fri, Nov. 17. Everything below is newer material.]
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THIS WILL BE THE OFFICIAL Wii S-FOCKING-VIDEO CABLE THREAD
I WILL LIST BRANDS OF KNOWN 3RD PARTY S-VIDEO CABLES WITH DIRECT LINKS TO ONLINE RETAIL LISTINGS, CUZ NINTENDO CABLES OBVIOUSLY SUCK SO HARD THEY DON'T EXIST OUTSIDE OF THEIR CRAP ONLINE STORE
AND I WILL INCLUDE MY OPINION OF EACH CABLE, FOR THE WELFARE OF THE COSMOS
[I've eliminated my individual cable reviews. My new guide below provides more accurate and practical info.]
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===== Wii VIDEO CABLE Buying Guide =====
~~~ Intro ~~~
A good "premium" set of audio/video cables for your game system is supposed to serve several functions:
1. Provide improved picture/sound quality over the default cables that came with your game system.
2. Ensure it can maintain picture and sound quality during typical usage.
3. Resist physical failure due to age and/or periodic transporting (plugging/unplugging/etc).
When shopping for a premium set, it's easy to find sets that are overpriced or don't care to specify what you're paying for. This brief guide can help you determine if a particular product is worthy of your wallet. I've bought and used quite a few Component/S-Video cables for my GameCube and Wii, and you can see my little collection [HERE] (under construction).
To see the differences in picture quality between Component Video and S-Video connections, check out this article HERE (http://ssv.vgafix.com/misc/vidcomp/vidcomp.html).
Disclaimer: Six Sided Video is not responsible for your actions and consequences beyond this point. POINT.
~~~ Everything Else ~~~
** Primary Features
These are the main features a typical "premium" cable set should possess.
1. Shielding -- Shielded cables minimize the sound & picture degradation by blocking mischievous electromagnetic waves. Some interference symptoms include picture noise, wavy lines, and discoloration in the video, plus hisses, hums, cracks, and muffles in the audio. The cable's packaging should specify if shielding is provided. Sometimes, shielding is only mentioned on the cables themselves, so look carefully. (Only in rare, special cases will the shielding not prevent signal degradation--it's not that the cables aren't good enough, it's because the interference had a special, less obvious way of infiltrating your audio/video signals. It might be directly attacking your game console, your surround sound receiver, or your TV, and it'll take some detective work to figure out what's causing it. This would be a bigger problem than "bad A/v cables" since the culprit is probably adversely affecting other devices as well.)
2. Gold Plating -- Gold plated connectors minimize sound & picture degradation by improving conductivity at the plugs. Gold is more resistant to corrosion than standard tin connectors; the reduced deterioration of the connectors maintains a cleaner signal transmission over time. There is no magickal improvement in A/V quality over decent non-gold connectors; gold's practical purpose is to help ensure video & audio continue to look & sound good throughtout the cable's life.
3. Durable Construction -- Well-constructed plugs and wires made with tough materials are more likely to last that "lifetime". Due to gravity or the nature of your cabling setup, very sharp bends in the cable (plus wire fatigue) can can cause the conductor in the wire to break. If one plug goes bad, the entire cable is pretty much useless. Stiff wire jackets and reinforcement at the wire-plug junction help prevent the cable from bending at extreme angles. Thin, flimsy cables won't survive many transports, and are more likely to be dead-on-arrival just by being tightly wound/wrapped/bent in its retail package.
Recommendations:
~ You shouldn't pay more than $25 total for a 6-ft set that meets the above criteria. My "standard" is based on [this baby of mine] (under construction).
~ If a set costs $20+ and is obviously lacking in some area after inspection (like, you found no specs list whatsoever), FORGET IT and find a different brand/model.
* Secondary Features
Other features that may influence your purchase, and explain some variations in price.
1. Cable Length -- The typical cable length is about 6-ft. Some people will appreciate having a few more feet of cable, depending on their entertainment setup. Some crazy brands will charge up to $60 for a 12-ft premium cable. Other brands are in a comfy 8 to 10-ft range, priced at $25 or more. Eventually, you'll find the 12-ft $60 cables in a clearance bin for $15 after a few months, cuz NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND bothered to cough up a RIDICULOUS $60 the first time around.
2. Plug Size -- Premium cables often have plugs that are REALLY thick and excessively fancy, like the overpriced stuff you'll find in Best Buy's HDTV section. On occasion, the innocent cable shopper will discover his/her TV's A/V input sockets are spaced pretty close together, close enough that the oversized plugs on their brand new premium A/V cables don't all fit. There's so much needless casing built around 1 premium plug that the adjacent premium plug can't slip into the next socket, leading to customer FURY and another trip to the electronics store. It's the cable maker's fault for designing stupidly huge plugs; regular cheapo plugs should fit just fine, so be aware of the spacing/locations of the sockets on the back of your TV/equipment.
3. Dual-Layer Shielding -- Apparently there's two kinds of interference cable manufacturers want us to be paranoid about, RFI and EMI. Having a "dual-layer" to protect against both is extra insurance.
4. Oxygen-free Copper Conductor -- Like the Gold Plating mentioned earlier, oxygen-free copper helps ensure "maximum signal transfer" and boosts the consumer's confidence in the cable. No magickal improvement in output quality, however.
5. Other esoteric technical crap -- Good for attracting the customers that don't know they're paying too much.
More Recommendations:
~ If you decide not to take the "premium" path, then get your cables cheap, AS CHEAP AS YOU CAN FIND, cuz there's many nameless 3rd-party cables that sell for next-to-nothing. If you don't mind a cable that doesn't promise much, then save a few bucks. eBay & Google are good places to start looking.
~ As far as I can tell, Nintendo's cables are not premium, yet they're priced just as high. Don't bother with them.
~ If you go premium, do the research, shop around, and get the best deal. If you buy a $60 cable, stab yourself with a coconut.
Here's a list of brands I know of that provide Component and/or S-Video cables for Wii:
ASiD
Blaze
Cables Unlimited
CTA Digital
Dragon
ezGear
GameStop
HVG2
Intec
Just-Works
MadCatz
MADCOW
Monster Cable
Nintendo
Nyko
Panther Lord
Penguin United
Psyclone
React
Talismoon
Post by: ShyGuy on November 17, 2006, 08:18:07 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 17, 2006, 08:22:08 AM
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Additional Helpful Information:
>> My Wii / GameCube Video Connection Comparison (http://sixsidedvideo.com/misc/vidcomp/vidcomp.html) <<
Screenshot comparison of the different video connection options for Wii & GameCube
Post by: vudu on November 17, 2006, 08:46:39 AM
He took my name and phone number and said he would pass along my request to the proper people so they would know that there is an interest for these cables.
I urge anyone else who might want an S-Video cable to do the same. The phone number for North America is 1-800-255-3700.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 17, 2006, 09:09:36 AM
Sounds a lot like the rarely used component cables that just sold out online.
My N64 and SNES use a third party S-video cable. Sadly the same cord won't work for the Wii.
If there a reason why Nintendo doesn't used standard cables (aside from the greedy benefits of selling proprietary cables)? If the Wii used standard outputs like a DVD player does then this wouldn't be an issue at all.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 17, 2006, 09:13:01 AM
DID THEY NOT SEE THE S-VIDEO CABLES THAT WERE ANNOUNCED AND PHOTOGRAPHED FOR JAPAN
MUST I GET MY S-VIDEO CABLES FROM FOCKING JAPAN
OF COURSE MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T BUY NINTENDO-MADE S-VIDEO CABLES. NINTENDO NEVER SENT THEM TO FOCKING RETAILERS, JUST LIKE THE FOCKING GCN COMPONENT CABLES (THAT I ALSO GOT FROM JAPAN)
AND OF COURSE MOST PEOPLE WHO GOT S-VIDEO CABLES AT ALL NEVER GOT THEM FROM NINTENDO'S ONLINE FOCKING STORE, CUZ NINTENDO NEVER FOCKING BOTHERED TO EDUCATE NOR FOCKING ADVERTISE THEM
DESPITE BEING SO ATTENTIVE TO GAMERS' RESPONSES AND REACTIONS TO GAMEPLAY MECHANICS, THEY'VE GOT NO FOCKING AWARENESS OF THEIR OWN PRODUCT MISHAPS
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 17, 2006, 10:34:34 AM
Post by: RickPowers on November 17, 2006, 10:42:34 AM
I was at Nintendo's Redmond HQ today. They only had a total of 30 Component Cables for employees, and those were gone almost instantly. No word on an S-Video cable (which I really need). No one said they weren't making one, just that it wasn't available.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 17, 2006, 12:15:17 PM
Edit: BACK-OFF!
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 17, 2006, 12:51:58 PM
It's bat s hit insane that video games are fun/playable or not, at least to the people in this thread, based solely on s-video or componet cable connections now. Talk about your all time whiny cry babies...
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 17, 2006, 01:58:25 PM
Mail order only, sadly...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 17, 2006, 02:16:56 PM
While it sucks that Nintendo didn't get its act together, is having S-video cables VITAL to Wii enjoyment? Unless your entertainment center requires one, can't you all wait a bit till you can order one?
S_B, I've played games on both regular connections and S-video, and the only difference I saw was that S-video was slightly darker. Other than that, the differences are rather small (at least on my eyes).
Post by: Jin-X on November 17, 2006, 02:19:03 PM
Well the point pap is that they should have S-Video and component cables in stores for launch instead of pretending like nobody cares about them, its as if they were acting like its 1996. S-video has been around for a long time, and most new tvs for a year or so now come with component and pretty much all come with S-Video unless its some sort of ultra bargain basement set.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 17, 2006, 02:21:12 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
You know what's -focking- ri-cock-ulous? This thread.
It's bat s hit insane that video games are fun/playable or not, at least to the people in this thread, based solely on s-video or componet cable connections now. Talk about your all time whiny cry babies...
Your inferences have stretched well outside the ballpark. I make no mention of "fun" or "playability" or product disappointment in a system i haven't even touched yet. The commentary has solely been on product availability. And the way Nintendo handles its non-standard first party peripherals is and has been a clear problem.
Am I taking jabs at Nintendo? Oh of course, cuz it's fun pointing out recurring mistakes they're making. But considering you've been on what-used-to-be-PGC for so long, I'm surprised you took the thread that seriously.
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Cable listings soon to follow.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 17, 2006, 02:30:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Jin-X
You know what's ridiculous 31 Flavas? It's the end of 2006 and Nintendo was mostly ignoring any form of good video connection and thought composite was good enough.
Well the point pap is that they should have S-Video and component cables in stores for launch instead of pretending like nobody cares about them, its as if they were acting like its 1996. S-video has been around for a long time, and most new tvs for a year or so now come with component and pretty much all come with S-Video unless its some sort of ultra bargain basement set.
I agree that's the sucky part of the deal.
What I mean is that while Nintendo gets their crap together, the Wii should be playable with the regular cables. From the sounds of it, its mainly a preference issue, something that adds a slight edge to the graphics, but isn't vital.
I am still wondering what the difference is. Like I said, I've seen games run on S-video, regular and digital projection and it all looks the same to me (except Digital projection for obvious reasons).
Post by: Crimm on November 17, 2006, 02:35:28 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 17, 2006, 02:37:13 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 17, 2006, 02:39:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: pap64 S_B, I've played games on both regular connections and S-video, and the only difference I saw was that S-video was slightly darker. Other than that, the differences are rather small (at least on my eyes).
I've noticed a COLOSSAL difference between the two.
On the right TV, the quality is definitely noticeable.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 17, 2006, 02:45:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Crimm
Does anyone know where I can get a coax rfu adapter?
I doubt there's an RF adapter for Wii, or ever will be.
Either:
1) Use the default Wii composite cables, connect them to a VCR, then rout a regular RF Coax cable to the TV.
2) Visit a local store like Target or Walmart and pickup an "RF modulator", which basically takes the place of the VCR in the previous statement.
Post by: Crimm on November 17, 2006, 02:48:39 PM
Post by: BigJim on November 17, 2006, 05:16:36 PM
Scroll down to Pro's Wind Waker and Tales s-video and composite comparisons. The S-video benefit is pretty distinct when you see them side by side.
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 17, 2006, 07:41:23 PM
Professional is going quite a bit overboard if, as he says, this is just a sarcastic thread.
Post by: blackfootsteps on November 17, 2006, 10:31:27 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 18, 2006, 07:16:17 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 18, 2006, 02:46:58 PM
Post by: vudu on November 18, 2006, 03:20:40 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 18, 2006, 03:39:25 PM
eDIT: OK i'm coming to my senses.
Post by: vudu on November 22, 2006, 08:39:05 AM
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Hello,
Thanks for writing! The S-Video Cables for the Nintendo Wii are
expected to be available sometime in February 2007. If we hear any new
information on this, we will post it on our website at www.nintendo.com.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America Inc.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 22, 2006, 08:43:19 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Thanks for writing!
We completely f*cking forgot about the S-Video Cables for the Nintendo Wii, but luckily we haven't sued Madcats into bankruptcy because they usually pick up the slack in these sorts of situations.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America Inc.
Fixed.
Post by: darknight06 on November 22, 2006, 09:18:46 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 22, 2006, 09:33:47 AM
It's a good thing S-video isn't required to play a system or I too would be annoyed.
Can't you guys get a third party cable for the time being?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 22, 2006, 09:56:13 AM
EB/gamestop have updated their Madcatz cable listing with a picture of the product. It looks promising.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 22, 2006, 10:07:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
pap: here's the funny part about "time being"... 3rd party cables are NOT even available yet.
EB/gamestop have updated their Madcatz cable listing with a picture of the product. It looks promising.
Ouch...I thought they were already available.
Any word on when those will be available?
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 22, 2006, 10:29:25 AM
QuoteGod... You and Pro should get a room together and have your little hate orgies there. Even Ian doesn't get this retarded in his posts. I eagerly await my componet cables too, but geez settle down.
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Fixed.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 22, 2006, 11:52:10 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: 31 FlavasQuoteGod... You and Pro should get a room together and have your little hate orgies there. Even Ian doesn't get this retarded in his posts. I eagerly await my componet cables too, but geez settle down.
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Fixed.
Never mind SB. He gets easily bitter like that from time to time
. In all seriousness, I agree that there is way too much bitterness in this thread over a piece of wire that makes games SLIGHTLY better looking.
Again, it is unfair that S-video won't come out in a while, but again its not like the Wii REQUIRES it. You are enjoying Red Steel and CoD 3, right SB? And you were able to without an S-video cable.
True, some quality is lost but it certainly does not kill your enjoyment. Hell, I play on a 5 year old TV set using the standard cables and I still enjoy my games greatly.
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 22, 2006, 02:34:58 PM
And it's not even like you're missing out on a high-def picture, like you would if you bought the $600 PS3. No HDMI or Component cables come with it, THAT is what is retarded and "focking- ri-cock-ulous".
But it's not like either of us are going to win here, they're going to have their little hate-on come hell or high water.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 22, 2006, 02:49:01 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
Eh... I can see a big flame coming from either professional or SB there.... I mean it's not like there isn't a difference between the cables, its rather quite easy to notice. But it's not like you can't operate on composite until they're mass produced and distributed.
And it's not even like you're missing out on a high-def picture, like you would if you bought the $600 PS3. No HDMI or Component cables come with it, THAT is what is retarded and "focking- ri-cock-ulous".
But it's not like either of us are going to win here, they're going to have their little hate-on come hell or high water.
Wow, I totally forgot about that PS3 issue. Now THAT warrants a phail report because for a system that promotes high def gaming like it needs its stupid of them to not include it.
As for the flaming thing, on one hand they as customers have the right to be upset because its weird that the cable would be released 3 months later when usually all accessories and parts are at launch.
On the other, I agree that throwing a fit over a part isn't really needed to enjoy the system is silly and, well, childish. I'm not saying the difference isn't there, but what I'm saying is to hang in there and its not an issue to curse Nintendo over.
Post by: darknight06 on November 22, 2006, 04:16:05 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 22, 2006, 07:11:15 PM
P.S. Have you guys seen what the components are going for on Ebay? It is ridiculous, most are over triple the retail price.
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 22, 2006, 07:49:16 PM
I mean, the rest of the world has to wait the same amount of time just to get the system itself. Geez, I wonder why then they are getting their cables at launch then? Besides, 3rd parties who "know what gamers want" didn't even have their cords out on time. Pelican and MadCatz could me making boat loads of sales, but arn't ready with their cables either. Geez, I guess that makes then as stupid as Nintendo then....
Just enjoy the fact we get the system 2 weeks early because of Black Friday. Otherwise, you'd probably be wating with the rest of the world. I guess releasing it early is a big "FU" to you.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 22, 2006, 08:43:44 PM
After some recon and research today I learned that Best Buy doesn't have any expected receipt/release dates for any of the cables they have listed in-stores and online (React, Psyclone, and Nintendo's). Pelican, Intec, Psyclone/Griffin s-video cable listings are pretty much no-shows at the other major retailers. If Madcatz' Dec. 20 release for their s-video cables are anything to go by, then it means Nintendo will be the first manufacturer to release S-video cables in the world -- but the first place to get them will be *Japan,* in time for Wii's Japan launch (and it's possible Japan will have in-store component cables before NOA replenishes US component cable stock on Dec. 18). Wow, things are all over the place.
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Hey, it's been 5 days since my last rant. I can't take a break?
Just so everyone knows, at this point in time I still don't have a Wii system, and I spent the past couple weeks worrying about exams and lab reports and having no fun. If I had Wii system, I'd have bigger things to complain about, possibly broken controls. So i'm just focusing my energy on what I can deal with: games and accessories. I have 5 unopened games, soon to be 6; 1st party component cables (i snatched them quickly in case there would be a crazy drought like we see now. i don't have a 480p capable TV, but I wanted them for stupidly high quality video captures down the road); but no s-video cables.
I can't speak for Smash or VG, but I'm VERY partial to S-video cables, for several reasons.
1) I've had a reliable s-video TV since the early N64 days, and s-video cables were readily available back then and throughout the GameCube's lifetime. I can't afford a worthy HDTV, so for $2-$10 a set of s-video cables still provides a significant increase in clarity without dreaming of a major expensive TV upgrade (i prefer my cash be spent on games/media).
2) The video capture hardware on my PC that i've had since 2000 uses s-video. If I had $ One Thousand Dollars to drop on a new PC with pro-grade hardware and software, i'd move up to component/HD video editing.
3) I'm nearsighted. My real-world vision is slightly worse than an RF connection, so I need glasses to drive or read across a classroom. I prefer to sit "close enough" to a TV and not wear my glasses while watching/playing, so i want all the clarity i can afford. There's more than enough depth-of-field-blur in the world for me to deal with.
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The first post in this thread is intentionally a shopping guide for S-video cables. Quite a few s-video questions/requests for recommendations would pop up from time to time on PGC, probably cuz someone wanted a cheap upgrade (but feared 3rd party products) or didn't have component/480p as a realistic option, so I decided to make a centralized resource. And I intend to maintain it throughout Wii's lifetime.
Just so you know, I probably won't recommend Nintendo's s-video cables at the end of the day anyway, since a handful of 3rd party cables will be superior products, as I saw with the GameCube. But I am disappointed Nintendo wasn't more prepared than 3rd parties this time around. Selling the Wii component cables early was a positive thing, but considering how my set merely came with a plastic sleeve, an instruction sheet, a return/replacement sheet, an invoice, and no retail-style packaging whatsoever, I'm inclined to say 1) Nintendo probably didn't expect to sell these things so soon, 2) Nintendo wasn't prepared to get these cables to retail yet despite interviews with execs, 3) these early cables NOA sent out were probably leftovers made throughout the year for the various demonstrations and events, 4) seeing how Matt C. playfully claims to be responsible for prompting Nintendo to release the cables, Nintendo didn't *want* to deal with producing these cables for a while, and I don't like that vibe.
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Someone needs to setup a new "Amazing Deals" thread. Toys R Us in Citrus Heights, CA is running a "$30 off 3 games" promotion; Monkey Ball, Trauma Center, and Tony Hawk are included in the deal.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 22, 2006, 11:24:45 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 23, 2006, 03:48:46 AM
I already stated that SB and Pro have the right as consumers to be upset. They are right that Nintendo has screwed over not just the S-video cable but the component ones as well. If those cables were my only option. I too would be upset.
But what I am saying is that what is essentially a cable and slightly clearer picture is NOT worth the anger and bitterness seen here. It may be essential to get the best quality possible, but its not like the Wii experience has been severely toned down because of the lack of S-video.
So yeah, it sucks that Nintendo does not have S-video at launch, but at the same time, when much worse issues are around, its not worth being angry and bitter about.
But whatever, I'm an not an uber hardcore "I spent 3000 dollars on my HD entertainment center" guy, so its not like my opinion matters...
Post by: ryancoke on November 23, 2006, 05:44:19 AM
The good ole days before HD...
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 23, 2006, 05:58:22 AM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas God... You and Pro should get a room together and have your little hate orgies there. Even Ian doesn't get this retarded in his posts. I eagerly await my componet cables too, but geez settle down.
Honestly, I was making a joke on the matter and I'm not actually upset.
I am still wondering why we have the delay in getting these cables out to start with, though, since S-video cables for the cube were out BEFORE it launched and I remember that because I hooked up my N64 via S-video before using it with the cube.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 23, 2006, 06:11:41 AM
Does it mean I am ANGRY? NO, CUZ i don't even have A WII. WHICH MEANS I'M NOT PLAYING WII GAMES THEREFORE I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SINCE IT WOULDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHETHER I GOT THE CABLES OR NOT.
WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO COME ACROSS AS SERIOUS. THIS IS INTERNET, IS IT NOT
Smash: Nintendo is still trying to convince you that graphics don't matter. Not sure why they bothered to make Zelda a pretty game in the first place. The less you see the less you'll realize you're not getting?
just becuz PGC is DED doesn't mean my sarcasm box isn't checked
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 23, 2006, 06:14:42 AM
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 23, 2006, 06:46:34 AM
QuoteWell, I can't claim to be an expert on the matter, but the N64 and Cube share identical A/V out ports. And geez since that A/V out port was introduced on the SNES... wow I wonder why it's not a surprise that GameCube had S-video cables availible at launch.
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I am still wondering why we have the delay in getting these cables out to start with, though, since S-video cables for the cube were out BEFORE it launched and I remember that because I hooked up my N64 via S-video before using it with the cube.
More relavant though is that there wasn't this hyper-sensitivity to "high-def" with the cubes launch. I mean, I wasn't hanging out here at the GameCubes launch, so you'll have to fill me in... But were new Cube owners really as hyper-spazticly defaming Nintendo at launch as they're defaming Nintendo now for not having component cables?
I totally get why people want the componet cables, but just I don't get this hyper-spaztic, I NEEDED THEM YESTERDAY reaction. It's totally uncalled for. You'll survive on composite until they arrive.
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 23, 2006, 07:18:05 AM
QuoteIt's not hard to understand, HD is superficial. You can create a graphically amazing game, Zelda:TP, without HD. Great graphics are not mutually exclusive of Hi-Def. But, i'm obviously not going to win that argument, because of the sensitivity to the subject around here.
Originally posted by: Professional 666
Smash: Nintendo is still trying to convince you that graphics don't matter. Not sure why they bothered to make Zelda a pretty game in the first place. The less you see the less you'll realize you're not getting?
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on November 23, 2006, 07:47:20 AM
Post by: ryancoke on November 23, 2006, 10:15:39 AM
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 23, 2006, 11:19:05 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 23, 2006, 11:26:01 AM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas Great graphics are not mutually exclusive of Hi-Def. But, i'm obviously not going to win that argument, because of the sensitivity to the subject around here.
I don't know what to say about the "sensitivity of the subject", but I'm not worried about "great graphics" so much as "non-blurry graphics" because my eyes are bad, I don't have a huge TV, and the blurriness of regular composite compared to S-video is certainly noticeable.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 23, 2006, 11:27:50 AM
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Originally posted by: ryancoke
i just saw an S-vid cable on Ebgames.com but it says it's not shipping until mid december. I really wish that nintendo just stayed with the same video out port from the snes/n64/GCN because at lease i could use my old S-vid cable from my cube until my component cable arrives in the mail.
I'm keeping track of that and other cables here.
Post by: SixthAngel on November 23, 2006, 01:20:31 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 23, 2006, 02:18:32 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 24, 2006, 10:11:37 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on November 27, 2006, 03:36:35 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 27, 2006, 04:32:27 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 27, 2006, 06:24:26 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 28, 2006, 06:16:02 AM
Our S-Video Cable for Wii will be hitting Best Buy's shelves in a couple of weeks. Unfortunately we do not have an exact release date as of yet.
Stephanie Wilson
React Customer Service
Thank you and Happy Gaming!!"
BE ON THE LOOKOUT
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 28, 2006, 06:24:20 AM
Post by: vudu on November 28, 2006, 06:27:54 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 28, 2006, 06:55:38 AM
Gotta be the first Julius I've ever known...
But I'm calling him "Jules" from now on.
Post by: IceCold on November 28, 2006, 07:01:50 AM
QuoteI was buddies with Caesar, but Pro's way cooler
Gotta be the first Julius I've ever known...
Post by: bananaboy on November 28, 2006, 02:48:50 PM
It's import the Nintendo ones and get them around the time MadCatz are coming out for about the same price as MadCatz after shipping and all that Jazz, wait for MadCatz and pay way more than I would like for S-Video cables, or see if these Reacts ever show up...
I'm thinking the MadCatz are going to end up in my possession.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 29, 2006, 06:49:23 PM
Calling who Jules?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 30, 2006, 07:37:48 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 30, 2006, 08:25:19 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 01, 2006, 06:12:08 AM
EBgames pushed back their release of Nintendo's component cables.
Post by: vudu on December 03, 2006, 10:16:55 AM
S-Video cables came in second, only beat by composite. Component was actually beat by I have no idea, I didn't hook it up.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2006, 01:30:18 PM
Post by: Shecky on December 03, 2006, 01:51:47 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 03, 2006, 01:54:55 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 03, 2006, 02:07:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Shecky
Is there enough information in component to convert the signal to svideo?
Component (Y + Pr + Pb) has more discreet information than S-video (Y + C; C = a combination of Pr and Pb). Converting from component to s-video would involve losing information (introducing picture degredation).
In reality, we don't see component > s-video converters practically ANYWHERE since having component capability defeats the purpose of having anything lesser (in terms of the consumer and the manufacturer). And having anything lesser is usually its own separate set of default outputs/plugs, accompanying the component connections. You look into having the component option usually because you have a worthy display device; you aim high, not low.
Post by: Shecky on December 03, 2006, 02:12:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
In reality, we don't see component > s-video converters practically ANYWHERE since having component capability defeats the purpose of having anything lesser (in terms of the consumer and the manufacturer). And having anything lesser is usually its own separate set of default outputs/plugs, accompanying the component connections. You look into having the component option usually because you have a worthy display device; you aim high, not low.
Unfortunate. I'm sure you could find one, probably not cheap though. Odd that "composite <-> s-video" adapters seem common and fall into the same logic.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 03, 2006, 02:54:16 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 04, 2006, 10:21:06 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 04, 2006, 04:56:16 PM
Post by: NeoThunder on December 05, 2006, 08:21:52 AM
Post by: Shecky on December 14, 2006, 02:31:28 PM
http://www.buy.com/prod/Wii_AV_and_S_Cable/q/loc/108/203445509.html
Post by: darknight06 on December 14, 2006, 02:59:32 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 14, 2006, 05:41:24 PM
After shipping costs, it would cost similar to the React cables, but has a clear edge thanks to the "premium" construction.
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on December 15, 2006, 03:20:52 AM
Post by: decoyman on December 15, 2006, 05:48:21 AM
Post by: utarefsoN on December 15, 2006, 06:19:34 AM
Thanks Nosferatu
Post by: vudu on December 15, 2006, 06:33:25 AM
Post by: IceCold on December 15, 2006, 06:34:47 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 15, 2006, 06:49:34 AM
People sought cables, Monster did not provide cables, other 3rd parties came to the rescue, Monster MISSED OUT.
DON'T WAIT for Monster's latercomer cables. I don't think we'll see any for another year, since there's simply no sign of effort on their part.
There's plenty of decent cables already out there.
Post by: utarefsoN on December 15, 2006, 01:49:30 PM
Ice yea i hate the name passionately, As a symbol its cool. But as the name for the console its lame. But i was gonna buy a revolution no matter what. Metroid Prime 3 is coming. I may have been a lil irrational when the name was changed but once my head cleared i wasnt going to forgo playing Metriod because nintendo are a bunch of idiots.
666 If Monster doesnt announce something by the end of the year ill go get the Psyclone ones.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 15, 2006, 02:14:44 PM
Just grab the Madcatz cables and wear a 24-hour smile.
Post by: utarefsoN on December 16, 2006, 06:29:32 AM
Im not the type to get a cheaper product just cause its cheaper, id rather pay more if the quality is apparent. BUt if quality is there and price is good then i sure will "wear a 24 hour smile".
Thanks Nosferatu
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 16, 2006, 07:06:15 AM
I have previous S-Vide/AV Madcatz cables, and the quality was great for the price. Good construction, interesting insulation methods. Over time you'll notice Madcatz releases "quality" products when they feel like it. They don't have a constant design for all cables (but they all have the same debut price), and it's easy to identify if a set is just thin-generic junk or if they put work into it. The set i happen to have was one of their intentionally better products.
Madcatz claims their Wii component cables are "premium quality," while they make no such claims for their standard universal cables. So I'll take their word for it.
This is unlike Pelican, whose products I've bought either broke or were dead-on-arrival.
Post by: TAYREL713 on December 16, 2006, 11:44:55 AM
Post by: Strell on December 16, 2006, 11:50:16 AM
I happened to come up some GGCs over at BB, meaning I could get the React cables for another $10 bucks, which is hugely tempting. However I am normally of the first party ilk, and I've kept myself from playing Zelda because I feel this odd desire to "full experience it." And at this point, it seems I've heard all sides - that React cables will be fine, that the first party ones are the only way to go, that Monsters will be excellent, that they are all the same, etc etc etc.
Just askin'. 'preciate any advice.
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 16, 2006, 12:25:04 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 16, 2006, 12:28:25 PM
Of course I can only go in depth with regards to the cables I've tried out. No one in their right mind buys ALL the cables just to test them.
Post by: utarefsoN on December 16, 2006, 03:35:41 PM
BTW ever come across or found a away to get the soundtrack to Giest, while i was on my "hiatus" ;-) ?? You would be the bomb if you did.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 16, 2006, 04:25:50 PM
~~~~~
Here's another S-Video/Composite comparison, running on Blaze's cables. I'll whip up a webpage for all my comparisons at a later time.
Twilight Princess (GCN) - 4:3, 480i gameplay - RCA
Twilight Princess (GCN) - 4:3, 480i gameplay - S-Vid
Twilight Princess (GCN) - 4:3, 480i cutscene - RCA
Twilight Princess (GCN) - 4:3, 480i cutscene - S-Vid
Twilight Princess (Wii) - 16:9, 480i gameplay - RCA
Twilight Princess (Wii) - 16:9, 480i gameplay - S-Vid
Twilight Princess (Wii) - 16:9, 480i cutscene - RCA
Twilight Princess (Wii) - 16:9, 480i cutscene - S-Vid
Post by: ShyGuy on December 16, 2006, 05:37:06 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 22, 2006, 10:00:25 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 25, 2006, 07:52:35 PM
Though, I had to whittle the plastic around the s-video connector to get it to fit, it works fine otherwise.
Is there a visual quality difference between React and Blaze?
Post by: IceCold on December 25, 2006, 08:57:24 PM
I also found a good deal for his recommended Blaze S-Video Cables on eBay - $14 US and only $7 US shipping to Canada and the US..
EDIT: I think that's the last one.. you'd better hurry!
Post by: Caterkiller on December 26, 2006, 04:26:23 AM
Post by: Ghisy on December 26, 2006, 05:18:02 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
I also found a good deal for his recommended Blaze S-Video Cables on eBay - $14 US and only $7 US shipping to Canada and the US..
Thanks a bunch for the link!
I've been looking for a good & cheap s-video cable so I just bought it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 26, 2006, 06:51:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
I found the Madcats cables and just decided to pick them up, even though I don't have an HDTV. Though I tried plugging them in anyway, my TV goes black and white. Are there any non ful on HDTV's that could get better picture from these things?
Please explain this in greater detail. Then we can better help you.
Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Just got the React cables and it looks so much better for it.
Though, I had to whittle the plastic around the s-video connector to get it to fit, it works fine otherwise.
Is there a visual quality difference between React and Blaze?
In a room theoretically free of EMF interference, there should not be an appreciable visual difference. As far as I can tell, my Blaze and my React do their job, and I don't have any seriously bad EMF sources. If I'm going to really compare them, I'd take screenshots using both cables, but I'm satisfied with them both so I'm not gonna bother.
In the event there IS a bad-enough EMF around, I expect the Blaze cables to keep a clean picture while the React may have faint shimmerings and zig-zags in the picture due to lack of shielding. Good shielding and conductivity also help eliminate noise in the audio cables (in reality, an extremely low level of noise still exists, but low enough such that it will hardly show up in your typical WAV editing software).
Depending on the materials and workmanship, poorly made s-video cables can have weak color saturation, or a black & white picture, or lose half its resolution as if it was a GBA game running at 480p with no filtering (these are all defects).
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on December 26, 2006, 07:54:04 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 27, 2006, 06:09:53 AM
S-vid is supposed to be clearer than composite, component is supposed to be clearer than S-vid. S-vid cables perform best on traditional CRT monitors (native 480 vertical rez), NOT LCD screens, plasmas, and other HDTV type sets that have to upscale their picture to properly fill up their screen.
Check your TV settings so the picture is bright enough, not too sharp (not intensely pixelated or ringed), but sharp enough (not fuzzy). The larger the screen, the farther you can comfortably sit, depending on your eyesight.
If switching between s-vid and composite shows no real difference, either your cables are defective, or your TV is made of phail (i've come across TVs whose s-vid ports did not make a difference, no better than composite; so these TVs do exist).
Post by: RickPowers on December 27, 2006, 10:09:41 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 27, 2006, 10:18:56 AM
Post by: wandering on December 27, 2006, 10:19:32 AM
Quote
If switching between s-vid and composite shows no real difference, either your cables are defective, or your TV is made of phail (i've come across TVs whose s-vid ports did not make a difference, no better than composite; so these TVs do exist).
I was hooking up a dvd player to a 50 inch plasma recently (not my 50 inch plasma). I couldn't see any difference between 480i/composite and 480p/hdmi. Which is made of phail, the tv, or my eyes? Or is the difference in picture quality not as big with dvds?
Post by: RickPowers on December 27, 2006, 10:34:20 AM
The main difference between S-Video and Composite on a decent TV would be improved color definition and a slight increase in sharpness. S-Video separates the color from the brightness in the signal, which leads to the better saturation and more defined edges. However, this is not to say S-Video is always better! Some TVs and/or receivers can actually do a better job of separating the luminance and color (by virtual of an excellent comb filter) from a composite signal than the device can with an S-Video cable. This could be why some people either can't see the difference or why they think composite looks better.
As for Wandering's issue, it's possible that you have a DVD player with cheap scaler, or that your HDTV is particularly good at scaling (or even particularly bad, which would explain the similarities). However, I suspect that it's more likely that your eyes are made of phail.
Seriously, a clean digital signal in progressive scan over HDMI should yield a noticably cleaner and sharper picture, even after the HDTV scales the picture than a composite signal with half the picture data over an analog connection which your TV would need to both deinterlace and then scale in order to display properly.
Post by: Athrun Zala on December 27, 2006, 10:40:45 AM
Quoteondeed, that happens with my tv (it was dirt cheap, so whatever)...... it's interesting that the jump between composite and component (especially with good cables) is ABYSMAL though.....
Originally posted by: Professional 666
If switching between s-vid and composite shows no real difference, either your cables are defective, or your TV is made of phail (i've come across TVs whose s-vid ports did not make a difference, no better than composite; so these TVs do exist).
When ("if" more likely ¬¬) I get a Wii, I'll try to get those Blaze cables
awesome work Pro ^^
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 28, 2006, 05:30:35 PM
Post by: IceCold on December 28, 2006, 07:14:41 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 02, 2007, 09:23:24 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 02, 2007, 11:38:38 AM
The state of retail component cables is this: they're selling out everywhere. I've seen them selling out at stores all up and down I-80 from Vallejo to Citrus Heights/Sac.
The ones I see most available are $25 React cables and $60 Psyclone cables in Circuit Cities and Best Buys -- all gone. I luckily came across 2 React sets at Best Buy in Vallejo, and immediately picked up one for my friend.
I have not seen my local EB/Gamestops stock any Wii cables whatsoever, and they have no clue when they'll come in. I wouldn't trust them to carry a variety of brands, either. Historically, I've noticed different stores "play favorites" when it comes to brands. Like, EB would sell Madcatz products, while the Gamestop on the other side of town would only sell Pelican products -- and that forces me to play favorites among stores. Best Buy happens to LOVE React products, across all consoles.
Cables aren't being shipped fast enough to satisfy in-store demand, but there's plenty available online. Certain online stores sell-out periodically; Bestbuy.com has none in stock at the moment. Gamestop.com gets new stock about every week for the brand it maintains. eBay has a never-ending supply of cables. I'm sure EB/GS stores will have some cables (including their own $50 "Gamestop brand" cables, which I think have priority over any other maker, including Nintendo) by the end of the summer, but at this point in time it's already too-little-too-late for me to care -- I already know about so many other suppliers online.
I've never seen Nintendo-brand S-video cables or component cables in stores, and I don't expect to see Wii component cables in-stores for another couple months. A month ago, Gamestop.com would tell you Nintendo-brand cables would be arriving Dec. 30th. Never happened. Right now, Gamestop.com says they'll arrive at the end of effing January. Waiting previously was harsh, waiting some more is just stupid.
Nintendo was never ready to sell their component cables in-stores, and probably still isn't. I ordered their cable at around the time of the Wii launch after the Nintendo Store link was leaked on GoNintendo/IGN. My cable was part of the first shipped batch. Now, you could tell Nintendo wasn't ready to sell these suckers cuz they came 1) in a clear plastic bag, and 2) with a single sheet instruction printout. THAT'S ALL. I wouldn't be surprised if these were leftover stock intended for E3 or other tradeshows/demos. Only a half-month later did the 2nd online batch of cables have proper retail blister packaging. I paid $30 plus $10 courier shipping for a cable in a plastic bag?! Not to mention they're cheaper to make than the GCN cables yet I still pay the same stupid $30 Nintendo Store price?
I think Nintendo's component cable is an overpriced product whose distribution is poorly managed. Delayed shipments and backorders? UNACCEPTABLE. I don't want people giving their money to Nintendo in this case. I want to help make finding these cables easy for those who seek them, which is why I direct to so many 3rd party products. Seeing all these retail sell-outs, the cable business is pretty hot right now, and Nintendo failed to capitalize on it. And I want Nintendo to notice sales they're not getting and to notice their own fukk-up (the origins can be traced to the GameCube Component fiasco). People thought the 2006/4million Wii promise was bad, but the "component cable in-stores" promise was a complete joke.
That's why this thread exists.
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Later this week I'll make an update about what matters in A/V cables, in practical terms (what shielding, etc. is meant to do, why you want premium this and that).
Post by: utarefsoN on January 02, 2007, 12:31:50 PM
Post by: utarefsoN on January 02, 2007, 12:41:43 PM
Peace Nosferatu
Post by: RickPowers on January 02, 2007, 12:51:49 PM
That said, the cables did precisely what I expected, and that was to get rid of the kudgy composite/S-Video thing I had going on that required me to switch both my receiver and TV's inputs in order to play Wii games. And that made the $30 totally worth it to me.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 02, 2007, 01:03:22 PM
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Originally posted by: RickPowers
Blaze S-Video cable just arrived today. As expected, there's a notable increase in sharpness and color vibrance, but really only something that I would notice. In fact, my wife couldn't tell any difference at all. Cleaning my TV screen produced a far more noticable reaction. In fact, I'd recommend that everyone go take a Swiffer and some Windex to their TVs right now. It's probably grimier than you think.
That said, the cables did precisely what I expected, and that was to get rid of the kudgy composite/S-Video thing I had going on that required me to switch both my receiver and TV's inputs in order to play Wii games. And that made the $30 totally worth it to me.
GAH, YOU BEAT ME TO IT. =D
I was going to mention that in the future.
Post by: utarefsoN on January 03, 2007, 12:16:42 PM
Yea my dumb ass bought em, had to have them in white... anyone want the black ones i got?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 04, 2007, 05:46:23 AM
Why do I feel inclined to buy them? I didn't set out to buy every cable on the market, but it feels like my destiny.
Post by: Darkheart on January 10, 2007, 02:26:41 PM
My tv is roughly 2 and a half feet away from my stereo reciever, Tv is on a high dresser and reciever on a night stand. Now normally with composite cables I can tear them apart and run the audio cables to the reciever while having the video sent up to the tv. My question here is that most component cables i see dont allow the tearing to go beyond 6 inches from the cable ends. What would you suggest? Should I just move my entertainment center around?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 10, 2007, 02:57:18 PM
Get an extra set of Male-Male RCA Stereo (red/white) cables. Get a set of Female-Female RCA audio couplers. Use the couplers to bridge the new cables to the audio cables on the Component Cable set. Now you can run your extended audio cables to the receiver.
The Component Video Plugs will connect directly to the TV, like normal.
Target and Walmart both carry standard grade couplers in their A/V sections, which should do you just fine. If you're a nut trying to maintain studio-grade quality with gold plated connectors and that other jazz, Best Buy carries couplers by Acoustic Research that cost almost $10 more (of course if you bought these babies i'd expect you to also buy high-quality RCA Stereo cables to accompany them).
The couplers look like this
Post by: Darkheart on January 10, 2007, 04:00:31 PM
. Should I just jump up to the Madcatz wires?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 10, 2007, 04:30:53 PM
Post by: Darkheart on January 10, 2007, 04:34:13 PM
Post by: Oogle on January 10, 2007, 05:02:21 PM
Also, they have that anti-tearing plastic piece. So, I just used audio extensions and radio shack couplers.
Post by: IceCold on January 11, 2007, 06:11:33 AM
Anyway, thanks for the recommendation, Pro
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 11, 2007, 06:29:45 AM
Post by: utarefsoN on January 11, 2007, 04:34:20 PM
Thanks Nosferatu
Post by: Darkheart on January 15, 2007, 09:57:39 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 15, 2007, 02:53:50 PM
If that fails, you may have to contact the manufacturer for a replacement/return/refund.
Post by: NeoThunder on January 15, 2007, 03:25:01 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 15, 2007, 06:30:08 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 15, 2007, 08:22:27 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 16, 2007, 08:46:25 AM
Post by: utarefsoN on January 18, 2007, 04:15:34 PM
anyway purpose of this post is that i cant believe how damn fast these things sell out. It took me two months to find them in a store. So moral, if you see some snatch them if you want them, they wont be there later. At least no time soon.
Further im sure Nintendo and moster cable are kicking their azzes for not having cables ready. im sure they hating to see tons of cash wisped from their paws. Hell even 60 dollar cables are flying off shelves. AS for monster cable i know for sure there hurting, a freind of mine works at monster and he said they did not anticipate the demand for wii cables and said fock it. Now they are scrambling to get some out. It will likely be too late for them.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 18, 2007, 05:29:12 PM
I mean, the market of these cables easily surpasses any other accessory outside of Wii controllers or SD cards. But unlike controllers, there's actually enough cables to satisfy demand (if you look in the right places).
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 23, 2007, 10:49:20 AM
Talk about overkill on the bright blue kiddy design. And they're stupidly expensive.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 09, 2007, 08:51:41 AM
Post by: Ghisy on February 09, 2007, 09:26:16 AM
I couldn't go for a bigger screen so no component for me but this looks fine
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 09, 2007, 02:40:33 PM
Post by: Rhoq on February 11, 2007, 01:58:52 AM
Post by: UncleBob on February 21, 2007, 02:38:32 AM
Post by: NeoThunder on February 21, 2007, 09:42:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Crimm
Does anyone know where I can get a coax rfu adapter?
You probley have to go to radio shack and fork out 30 bucks, for an RF Modulator. You can plug any composite cable into it and it will convert the signal and make it so you can watch it on channel 3 or 4, usaually. I bought one once cause i couldn't watch DVD movies having the composite going threw my VCR, cause it was a DVD signal I think the VCR messed it up on purpose.
Post by: Shecky on February 22, 2007, 12:10:15 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: UncleBob
Slightly off topic, but I just found out that the Nintendo Branded S-Video cable doesn't work on the SNES-mini. Crazy stuff.
Is that because the A/V connector in the back? I'm assuming a Official Multi-Out S-Video connector will work with the original SNES, N64, and GCN.
Post by: UncleBob on February 22, 2007, 01:07:26 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 22, 2007, 11:06:42 AM
Not that it really matters since Nintendo sucks and most of us have our own cables already. Do not buy Nintendo's cable.
Even Nyko's cables are showing up. But who cares, I thought they looked awful and they're pretty late to the game so you can forget about them as well.
Post by: MarioAllStar on February 22, 2007, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: UncleBob on February 22, 2007, 11:43:55 AM
I guess it's all god, because now I only need one more set of SVideo cables instead of two.
Post by: vudu on May 01, 2007, 03:08:16 PM
QuoteJust want to point out it is May and still no S-Video cables on store.nintendo.com.
Originally posted by: vudu
I wrote a letter to Nintendo regarding the S-Video cables. Here's the response I received.Quote
Hello,
Thanks for writing! The S-Video Cables for the Nintendo Wii are
expected to be available sometime in February 2007. If we hear any new
information on this, we will post it on our website at www.nintendo.com.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America Inc.
Post by: Djunknown on May 01, 2007, 04:41:10 PM
In case you didn't know, Monster did put out Wii Component cables priced at the luxurious price of 59.99. The boys over at IGN have a review; pretty much you're paying for style and lots of catch phrases. I was lucky to get Monster Cables for my Gamecube at PS1 at a reasonable price (Clearance sale), and they get the job done. But for Wii? Nahhh...
Saw Psyclone S-video and Component cables for 14.99 and 19.99 respectively at Target. Since I'm a broke %##%@, all I could do was salivate and look. What's the word on Psyclone?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 01, 2007, 06:24:39 PM
But I suppose getting their 12' cable (reg. $60) for about $20 is a bargain, if you like to impress the ladies.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 02, 2007, 01:40:55 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 02, 2007, 06:32:12 AM
Post by: Willi on May 02, 2007, 07:40:19 AM
Shipping took a long time though on standard international (like $6) to Europe! Was getting ready to order a Blaze cable after reading this thread but it arrived after all.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 03, 2007, 06:20:39 PM
I'd grab it if I was hungry for component cables, otherwise i'd spend the same amount of cash on Madcatz's component cables.
Post by: vudu on May 04, 2007, 07:06:19 AM
Post by: Ghisy on May 04, 2007, 07:55:30 AM
Check page 1 of the topic and you'll see they're good AND cheap at the same time.
Post by: vudu on May 04, 2007, 08:28:43 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 04, 2007, 10:31:30 AM
THERE, U HAPPY NOW?
Post by: Djunknown on May 14, 2007, 12:33:03 PM
I' probably going to pick them up since Blaze cables + shipping will be 20+, and I can't find Madcatz cables in stores, and are 20+ online (with shipping).
They definatley look sturdy and have shielding, and since most modern TV's have S-video inputs, why do you need to go back to composite? Unless you have a grudge against the EB/GS machine (Which I won't blame you), why not?
Post by: Djunknown on May 15, 2007, 05:16:51 PM
I'll most likely pick up Blaze Component cables for my HDTV in the near future, since they are no bargains in brick-and-mortar stores. Twenty dollars (includes shipping) or so seems to be the magic number, and that can't be beat so far...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 15, 2007, 05:31:37 PM
Post by: vudu on June 14, 2007, 07:32:04 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 15, 2007, 06:12:38 PM
Psyclone's high quality s-video set has a black color scheme and includes gold-plated connectors. I don't expect to see these for under $15 at retail.
Post by: vudu on June 16, 2007, 05:06:17 AM
Post by: Jon G on July 28, 2007, 12:04:06 AM
They cost SGD20, or about USD13.
I put up a page so you can compare image quality of Nintendo's bundled composite cable and this S-Video cable
http://jgiam.com/wii-s-video/
Post by: Djunknown on September 06, 2007, 07:57:44 AM
Ended my summer season by copping Madcatz Component cables at Micro Center for 19.99 (They're like a Comp-USA). They are the shiznit as some people would say. Sharper image, brighter colors, blah blah blah. If there's a Micro Center near you, and are impatient for component or S-video cables. give 'em a try.
Post by: Stogi on September 06, 2007, 08:22:20 AM
I copped some component videos with gold bla bla bla from ebay for a total of 7 bucks. You heard right.
Post by: Djunknown on September 06, 2007, 04:51:14 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 08, 2007, 09:52:14 AM
Post by: IceCold on October 08, 2007, 10:30:34 AM
EDIT: Apparently the second link is the same as the first - just search for "3566" to see the second one.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 08, 2007, 11:47:57 AM
But I'd stay away from the store cuz the pictures and product descriptions are INCONSISTENT.
Post by: oiram on October 19, 2007, 07:42:05 AM
With my gamecube, my s-video cable is split so that the s-video plug goes to the TV and the audio plugs go to my surround sound. However, all of the Wii s-video cables look like they can't be split (the cable is one big cable until the last few inches). Is there a way to cut them open and split them, or are there any that can be split?
Post by: Ghisy on October 19, 2007, 07:44:32 AM
Post by: oiram on October 19, 2007, 08:11:08 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 19, 2007, 11:32:31 AM
What should be done is completely connect the A/V cable to the TV set. Set the TV audio into a pass-thru mode (deactivate TV speakers; deactivate TV volume control). Then route the RCA Audio-Out from the TV to the surround sound receiver using an additional RCA stereo cable.
OR
Buy an A/V switchbox. Route the switchbox directly to the TV and surround sound, separately (more cables needed). All other A/V sources will neatly connect to the switchbox, so no cable splitting required.
Don't go splitting cable sets. Avoid such extremes.
I don't mind splitting typical male-male A/V sets, cuz I'll completely detach them for separate uses.
Post by: oiram on October 19, 2007, 02:33:34 PM
Post by: Ghisy on October 19, 2007, 09:44:17 PM
My bad, I did not understand your question correctly: it is split but only towards the end of the cable, near the plugs, like you said.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 27, 2007, 12:26:00 PM
>> My Wii / GameCube Video Connection Comparison (http://sixsidedvideo.com/misc/vidcomp/vidcomp.html) <<
Screenshot comparison of the different video connection options for Wii & GameCube
Post by: BigJim on October 27, 2007, 01:50:26 PM
Post by: oiram on October 28, 2007, 04:42:19 PM
Also, the cable is actually manufactured by Madcatz, which is funny considering the "gamestop" one seems to be of higher quality than the more expensive "madcatz" cable.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 28, 2007, 05:39:55 PM
originally,
GameStop = $30, no composite hookup, 6-ft long
Madcatz = $20, w/ composite hookup, 10-ft long
^ this info is already on the first page of the thread
The price drop tells me something more interesting: the "GameStop" brand cable is being discontinued and they want to clear stock since sales have been slow from the start.
$13 is simply a deal for those who haven't upgraded till now.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 18, 2008, 09:32:12 PM
Post by: Nephilim on April 19, 2008, 05:10:39 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2008, 05:19:06 PM
Then again you didn't ask for much.
Post by: mantidor on May 11, 2008, 05:36:43 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on May 12, 2008, 06:05:06 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 12, 2008, 11:18:36 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 12, 2008, 06:42:22 PM
The only other card that does 480p-Component and is in the CONSUMER end of the market is
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/tv_tuner/overview.asp?lineid=6&pronameid=399
It's mostly found in Euroland at the moment, for abour 45 Euros. I don't know anyone who has it, and the reviews I found were not helpful. I do not know if it will display/capture 60fps, has video lag, or if it detects/ignores widescreen images.
If it detects widescreen properly, then the TV window should be wide like this http://ssv.vgafix.com/misc/vidcomp/re4_cut8.html
(or include a widescreen viewing option)
If it doesnt detect properly, the window will look like this http://ssv.vgafix.com/misc/vidcomp/re4_cut7.html
(cuz the picture is like this in reality; widescreen televisions do the extra step of stretching it to the proper ratio)
... in which case, when running the TV tuner program on your computer, you have to stretch your TV window horizontally to get the proper effect -- but there's a small chance the window won't allow independent stretching between the horizontal and vertical dimensions.
Post by: mantidor on May 12, 2008, 09:24:59 PM
I think I'm going to search locally to see what the market has to offer, and I will get back to the thread in case I find something.
Post by: mantidor on July 10, 2008, 09:48:13 AM
Seriously, I was expecting at least some improvement, but the games look even more jagged than before! what the hell am I doing wrong? The new HDTV we got has so far been a disappointment. I'm going to try a more direct comparison with simple AV cable to at least try to justify the waste of money.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 10, 2008, 12:17:43 PM
What would be your reference?
SDTVs display standard resolutions better than HDTVs, that is the truth. (lolololol blurry jaggies, fail-definition television)
Standard AV and 480p-component on HDTVs worsen by similar degrees, but AV will still look relatively worse than component.
Post by: mantidor on July 11, 2008, 10:18:13 AM
I will plug the wii directly into the AV as I said which will make me see the difference more clearly. I'm glad however to finally be able to play in widescreen.
Post by: vudu on November 05, 2008, 05:47:33 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 05, 2008, 06:17:28 PM
