Post by: Gunstar212 on March 08, 2003, 03:48:32 AM
Post by: dafunkk12 on March 08, 2003, 07:14:16 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 08, 2003, 08:31:11 AM
daffunk12, it's FMV (probably in MPEG2). It's not in game graphics that are so big.
Post by: BlkPaladin on March 08, 2003, 09:58:59 AM
But Monolith has made 1 other game. Right before they started making Xenosaga.
Post by: The_Gannondork on March 08, 2003, 12:21:39 PM
And here i was thinking that Gamecubes support was dying.
well i guess it still is, just not as much as i thought.
Post by: mouse_clicker on March 08, 2003, 03:06:24 PM
Post by: theaveng on March 08, 2003, 05:48:59 PM
Yeah right. Xenosaga: The Will to Build is 8.5 gigabytes in size. How on earth would you fit that onto a GameCube? Even if you use DivX and squash the movies by 50%, you'd still need ~4.5 gigabytes of storage space. No way would that fit on a single GC disc. You'd need at least 3 discs to fit all of it.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on March 09, 2003, 04:05:31 PM
Post by: rpglover on March 09, 2003, 04:11:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Koopa Troopa
Who cares? From what I've heard and read it is nothing but a big FMV-fest. I'll probably rent it to see for myself but I'm not at all impressed with what I've seen, or heard.
its true- xenosaga has some extreamly long cut scenes
in fact the first 6 hours or so of the game have only 1 hour of actual gameplay
but to some that maybe insane, but i liked it
after you get into it, the story really grabs you- it also becomes more balanced as you play
if you really wish though, you can skip every cut scene
as for it coming to the cube- i doubt it, unless they wish to bring future instalments to nintendo systems
hopefully that is true
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 09, 2003, 05:37:38 PM
Some things I am quite unhappy about though:
No hand drawn cutscenes, and too much CG FMV
FMV is favored over cinematics now
3D non-cel shaded models are used rather than sprites as in the first game.
Nevertheless, if I wasn't a Nintendo fanboy, I would have bought a PS2 long ago for this specific game if nothing else. (Truthfully, there isn't that much else that interests me on PS2)
Post by: Perfect Cell on March 09, 2003, 05:58:28 PM
Post by: theaveng on March 10, 2003, 06:02:58 AM
QuoteYou got it backwards. Cutscenes are console-generated graphics. FMVs are pre-rendered or live-action movies. Kingdom Hearts was 100% cutscenes with no FMVs except the intro and exit movies.
Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
No hand drawn cutscenes, and too much CG FMV. FMV is favored over cinematics now
Post by: DrForester on March 10, 2003, 06:23:01 AM
Post by: Oogle on March 10, 2003, 05:25:47 PM
Post by: Sean on March 10, 2003, 05:34:54 PM
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You got it backwards. Cutscenes are console-generated graphics. FMVs are pre-rendered or live-action movies. Kingdom Hearts was 100% cutscenes with no FMVs except the intro and exit movies.
Actually, I don't think the distinction is to be made here. A cut-scene is a cut-scene whether it's console-generated or prerendered. That's the way most people refer to it anyways. Not a big deal either way, but really, the term FMV has gone by the wayside, as I see it. It's more of a Sega CD-era term than anything else.
I'm with you Grey. ;-) Either way, moot point, hey?
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Post by: Grimlock on March 10, 2003, 06:16:43 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 10, 2003, 08:27:29 PM
The pre-rendered scenes are not hand drawn anymore. They are CG rendered.
Too many of the cut scenes are pre-rendered rather than using the in-game engine.
I am a fan of cut scenes, as long as they don't look distinctly out of place, and serve a purpose. Having FMV for the sake of having it is something that I have really come to hate Square for. My favorite scenes of all time were not FMV, but graphics rendered in real time on the console, or at least using the same style as the in game graphics:
Metal Gear Solid: Sniper Wolf.
Chrono Trigger: Death Peak
Xenogears: Ending (hand drawn anime style)
Ninja Gaiden: Is that a woman?
Metal Gear Solid: any scene with Grey Fox (Hence my name)
Zelda: OoT: Link leaving the Kokiri Forest (or any scene with Shiek)
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on March 10, 2003, 11:53:29 PM
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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
My favorite scenes of all time were not FMV, but graphics rendered in real time on the console, or at least using the same style as the in game graphics:
Metal Gear Solid: Sniper Wolf.
Chrono Trigger: Death Peak
Xenogears: Ending (hand drawn anime style)
Ninja Gaiden: Is that a woman?
Metal Gear Solid: any scene with Grey Fox (Hence my name)
Zelda: OoT: Link leaving the Kokiri Forest (or any scene with Shiek)
In my best PGC Moderator impersonation voice: "That's a poll. No polls allowed!"
Post by: theaveng on March 11, 2003, 06:57:39 AM
QuoteOkay.
Originally posted by: Grimlock
Guys, Sean's right on this one. A cutscene is typically defined as a non-interactive interruption of gameplay that advances the story. A cutscene can be anything from still images with text a la the NES Ninja Gaiden games to full-blown video sequences that are typically used in today's games, whether they are rendered by the in-game engine (as seen in Zelda or Metroid Prime) or they are pre-rendered FMV clips like in Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, etc. I hope that clarifies things a bit.
Well, I *thought* Xenosaga used cartoon-style movies, rather than console-generated polygon scenes. Those movies are what takes up the 8.5 gig disc space.
FF10 used mainly console-generated scenes, but in pivotal moments (like Sin attacking) they used pre-rendered CGI movies. The movies were a LOT better than the console-generated scenes, because the characters looked more alive, the music was dramatic, and the action was much, much faster-paced. I can't imagine FF10 without the pre-rendedered CGI movies.
Kingdom Hearts used a pre-rendered movie for the intro and the exit. That's it. The rest was console-generated polygon scenes. These scenes were okay, but severely limited in scope. I would have preferred Square throw in some pre-rendered movies.
Post by: Oogle on March 11, 2003, 07:29:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
Too many of the cut scenes are pre-rendered rather than using the in-game engine.
That's incorrect. Like I mentioned earlier, Xenosaga uses the in-game engine for most of it's cutscenes. It's easy to tell because of the jaggy/aliased graphics.
