Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 12, 2006, 03:37:01 AM
Seen this on Slashdot. It is pretty sad if you ask me.
Post by: UncleBob on November 12, 2006, 03:52:08 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 12, 2006, 04:32:04 AM
Though I guess they're giving homeless/poor people money to line up and get PS3s for them, it does seem more than a little...shady.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 12, 2006, 04:33:43 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2006, 05:02:22 AM
First off I'm going on the record stating that the people who participated in this I can't fault. If someone came up and paid me to wait in line I do it more then likely.
Though for us people who really want the system we will have to wait longer. Which stinks.
Though this is really sticking it to Sony. They didn't buy any software. Which means they'll have to wait even longer to get the money from software sales. Actually after seeing this Sony should have just sold the console for a profit from the get go and have a price drop once production moves out of being shakey. It shows that business man are willing to believe they can sell them for a profit even after paying someone to wait for them.
Though does this mean I'm going to have to fight with the equivalent population here in the US for my Wii...
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 12, 2006, 05:34:59 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 12, 2006, 08:52:26 AM
Not that they care, the average buyer will take much longer to buy enough games to recoup the PS3 cost than it takes to find a home for these PS3s. Especially considering the PS3 is rumored to be sold at such a great loss that the initial sales aren't going to make their money back anyway and even after that Blu-Ray will be the biggest factor that pays for the PS3 (or at least Sony hopes so, whether Blu-Ray sells is another issue).
Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2006, 09:22:30 AM
Post by: ThePerm on November 12, 2006, 11:11:30 AM
http://search.ebay.com/ps3_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQmaxrecordsreturnedZ300
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 12, 2006, 12:37:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
This is terrible for gamers.
First off I'm going on the record stating that the people who participated in this I can't fault. If someone came up and paid me to wait in line I do it more then likely.
Though for us people who really want the system we will have to wait longer. Which stinks.
Though this is really sticking it to Sony. They didn't buy any software. Which means they'll have to wait even longer to get the money from software sales. Actually after seeing this Sony should have just sold the console for a profit from the get go and have a price drop once production moves out of being shakey. It shows that business man are willing to believe they can sell them for a profit even after paying someone to wait for them.
Though does this mean I'm going to have to fight with the equivalent population here in the US for my Wii...
Well if you really wanted the system you would be in line too, so tough. I'm technically doing a similar thing (though not with a homeless man lol) in that I am having a family member stay in line with me to get another system and they get half of the profits.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 12, 2006, 03:00:28 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
lol
http://search.ebay.com/ps3_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQmaxrecordsreturnedZ300
Damn, I should have reserved one after all...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 12, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: ThePerm
lol
http://search.ebay.com/ps3_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQmaxrecordsreturnedZ300
Damn, I should have reserved one after all...
Well Smash you can always do what I'm doing, which is wait in line for 20-24 hrs before it comes out. I have one preordered but I am planning on getting 2 other PS3s!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2006, 04:31:06 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 12, 2006, 04:37:04 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolutionQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
This is terrible for gamers.
First off I'm going on the record stating that the people who participated in this I can't fault. If someone came up and paid me to wait in line I do it more then likely.
Though for us people who really want the system we will have to wait longer. Which stinks.
Though this is really sticking it to Sony. They didn't buy any software. Which means they'll have to wait even longer to get the money from software sales. Actually after seeing this Sony should have just sold the console for a profit from the get go and have a price drop once production moves out of being shakey. It shows that business man are willing to believe they can sell them for a profit even after paying someone to wait for them.
Though does this mean I'm going to have to fight with the equivalent population here in the US for my Wii...
Well if you really wanted the system you would be in line too, so tough. I'm technically doing a similar thing (though not with a homeless man lol) in that I am having a family member stay in line with me to get another system and they get half of the profits.
Which they would greatly demish my chances of getting one.
Post by: vudu on November 12, 2006, 04:55:28 PM
QuoteHow the heck is that fair? If I were your family member I would want all the profits. You either have a really generous or really stupid family.
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Well if you really wanted the system you would be in line too, so tough. I'm technically doing a similar thing (though not with a homeless man lol) in that I am having a family member stay in line with me to get another system and they get half of the profits.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 12, 2006, 05:03:25 PM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteHow the heck is that fair? If I were your family member I would want all the profits. You either have a really generous or really stupid family.
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Well if you really wanted the system you would be in line too, so tough. I'm technically doing a similar thing (though not with a homeless man lol) in that I am having a family member stay in line with me to get another system and they get half of the profits.
Maybe because I am supplying the cash to buy it, this family member does not have a job at the moment nor the money to buy one. So basically it is free money with their only investment being their time. So please back off I don't need your smart alik comments. This particular family member was willing to do it for nothing, but I'm the one who decided to give them half the profits, and was the same one who did this with me for Xbox 360.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 12, 2006, 05:10:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Which they would greatly demish my chances of getting one.
You would have had the same chance if you spent 20 hrs in line too, it all depends if you have the motivation or not. Instead of whining about not getting one (or not wanting to pay the high prices on ebay) either
A) Don't buy it from ebay and wait a few months
B) Pay the high price and thus encourage selling on ebay
C) Wait in line like everyone else and take the same risk as everyone else if you really want one
Post by: BlkPaladin on November 12, 2006, 05:25:27 PM
As for family going to get the system I know a few people who do that. I even have a few people who are willing to go wait for the Wii for me, though I don't think it will be nessary, but if it is I have one or two on call.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 12, 2006, 05:31:46 PM
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Originally posted by: BlkPaladin
Months, I'm thinking a little on the order of years for PS3, if I get one. (The only reason whould be FF13, if Square doesn't make it multiplatform or move it.)
As for family going to get the system I know a few people who do that. I even have a few people who are willing to go wait for the Wii for me, though I don't think it will be nessary, but if it is I have one or two on call.
Hey that makes two of us, I probaly won't own a PS3 until a year or so since there is nothing at all appealing about the current crop of games. So instead I'm going to use my money from it to purchase an HD-TV, christmas presents for my family (I will probaly set aside 300-400$ for that), and the rest will go into the bank to help pay off my student loans.
Post by: ShyGuy on November 12, 2006, 05:41:55 PM
If you hire someone else to do wait in line for a PS3 it's a job. They trade their time in exchange for money. It's not a new concept.
Arbitrage involves risk, and these PS3 speculators are assuming that risk. If the PS3 is a massive flop, then they lose that $600 and the worth of all that time they spent to get the PS3. If the businessmen can't resell the PS3, the homeless man they hired still gets paid.
Post by: ThePerm on November 12, 2006, 07:50:22 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 12, 2006, 10:39:09 PM
Not really, Sony wants and needs the PS3 to reach a huge audience so games and BRDs sell. Selling the PS3 to a few thousand while pushing everyone else into picking up a competing console because they don't think they could afford a PS3 anyway is a big loss for Sony.
how is this different than liksang? Sony?
Sony can sue them only in one jurisdiction.
Post by: vudu on November 13, 2006, 02:33:20 AM
QuoteThat would be really generous of you if you weren't charging the equivalent of 5,200% annual interest. Your family member would be better off going to a pay day loan store to get the loan. Or, better yet (also because he/she's unemployed) why don't they simply pay with a credit card that's not due until after they'll get their cash from eBay?
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Maybe because I am supplying the cash to buy it, this family member does not have a job at the moment nor the money to buy one. So basically it is free money with their only investment being their time. So please back off I don't need your smart alik comments. This particular family member was willing to do it for nothing, but I'm the one who decided to give them half the profits, and was the same one who did this with me for Xbox 360.
Sure, it's "free money", but only about half the amount they would be getting if you weren't gouging them.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 13, 2006, 05:53:14 AM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteThat would be really generous of you if you weren't charging the equivalent of 5,200% annual interest. Your family member would be better off going to a pay day loan store to get the loan. Or, better yet (also because he/she's unemployed) why don't they simply pay with a credit card that's not due until after they'll get their cash from eBay?
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Maybe because I am supplying the cash to buy it, this family member does not have a job at the moment nor the money to buy one. So basically it is free money with their only investment being their time. So please back off I don't need your smart alik comments. This particular family member was willing to do it for nothing, but I'm the one who decided to give them half the profits, and was the same one who did this with me for Xbox 360.
Sure, it's "free money", but only about half the amount they would be getting if you weren't gouging them.
Maybe because they don't have a credit card, honestly what is your freaken problem? Like I said they were going to do it for nothing I decided to give them them 50% of the profits, are you just being a prick(ly) because you feel like it? I'm not sure why your singling me out when others here have said that family members would sit in line for nothing for them. Now I'm the bad guy because I decided that they should get 50% of the profits, get your head out of your donkley and please and back off, I don't know what your problem is but screw off.
Last year I had to insist they take the money because that was not their concern. Perhaps you don't have anyone that cares for you enough to realize that sometimes people don't always have the money motive when they do something, in fact this individual wouldn't even be doing it if it wasn't for me.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 13, 2006, 06:28:19 AM
my head hurts.
Post by: ShyGuy on November 13, 2006, 06:59:32 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 13, 2006, 08:00:49 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
LOL, I had forgotten that the PS3 is now available in Japan.
That's both true and not true. lol
Post by: vudu on November 13, 2006, 08:09:20 AM
Also, there's no need to resort to childish name calling. Last time I checked, that is a ban-able offense.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 13, 2006, 09:57:43 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
VG, I have no problem with you. My original comment was meant to be a completely innocent jab and you blew it way out of proportion. (Perhaps because you knew I was right?) I just find it funny that you're acting all high and might about giving fifty percent of the profits to someone who's doing all the work; financing charges are usually around the 10% - 20% range, not the 50% range.
Also, there's no need to resort to childish name calling. Last time I checked, that is a ban-able offense.
How about harassing someone like you are towards me? I stick by what I said about you because I feel it is the truth, you are being condescending, insulting not only me but my family. So if the moderators want to ban me, fine, but I hope you go down right along with me. It isn't a fincancing charge anyway, like I freaken said they were going to do it FOR NOTHING, but I felt like giving them 50% of the profits.
Not to mention the fact that my ebay account is being used, and I am doing everything post launch including packing, shipping, fees from both paypal and ebay and dealing with potential risk involved with non-paying buyers, or even the market dropping out from under me.
Post by: odifiend on November 13, 2006, 10:09:35 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 13, 2006, 10:13:37 AM
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Originally posted by: odifiend
Speaking of ebay, do they require the 50 feedback points and that other nonsense to sell the actual PS3? Are you allowed to sell more than one console on ebay? My roommate and I are planning to camp out, but neither of us would satisfy the presell requirements.
Ah great question, from what I understand the 50 feedback is ONLY for preorders (so people don't get ripped off), after the system is out I think you can list your auction anyway you want. But since this is a high priced item you may want to use an account with quite a bit of positive feedback (mine is over 300) and make sure you include the receipt along with a name label of your ebay name.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on November 13, 2006, 10:23:43 AM
If you don't want to get banned, refrain from harrassing anyone.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 13, 2006, 10:27:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Jonnyboy117
If you don't want to get harrassed for scamming someone, don't post about it.
If you don't want to get banned, refrain from harrassing anyone.
I take it this all directed at me? So now I'm a scammer, talk about an insult and from a staff member too.
Post by: Pale on November 13, 2006, 11:15:41 AM
I'm locking. If you would like to discuss this topic again, feel free to start another topic and don't get so personal in it.
