Post by: Artimus on November 01, 2006, 06:57:58 AM
Translated by kotaku.
Famitsu says...
“The oneness with the character has improved greatly than a past controller.” Take mini games, like fishing, which are done with the Wii remote. They called the Wii-mote operation “more intuitive.” Buttons are for things like jumping. While the new controller and nunchaku are for moving and attacking. Likewise, they couldn’t say enough good things about the game. The November 10th issue of Famitsu will feature a more in-depth look on paper.
GameWatch says...
Flicking or shaking it causes Link to attack. Game Watch noted that the controller is light and does not cause the wrist to get tired after extended play. Play is intuitive, and Link moves smoothly. Controlling Wolf Link is like controlling human Link. The game’s graphics, they liked them. The site states, “Controlling Link and moving the controller and seeing Link synchronize with the movements was a different kind of exhilaration from anything out there.” Game Watch calls the one-two compatibility punch of Twilight Princess and the Wii-mote “preeminent.”
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/twilight-princess-first-impressions-hit-intertubes-211519.php
So, who's still silly enough to buy the GCN version?
Post by: willie1234 on November 01, 2006, 07:24:38 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 01, 2006, 07:30:42 AM
Me. Japanese people like Brain Age and I don't. They're in love with the DS and I'm not. So impressions from Japan doesn't mean anything to me. Our interests aren't in sync. It is good the games isn't unplayable though. This at least tells us the controls are competent.
Where is the comparison between the Cube and Wii versions? Twlight Princess is going to be a great game regardless. For all we know as good as the Wii version is the Cube version may be better or at least as good, thus allowing a Cube owner to save the money of buying a new console. The real impressions and reviews to look up will be the comparison articles. Though since Nintendo is intentionally delaying the Cube version in North America and making it online-only in Japan few articles like that will probably show up which I'm sure was Nintendo's plan all along.
Post by: Kairon on November 01, 2006, 07:40:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
So, who's still silly enough to buy the GCN version?
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
REAL ZELDA FANS WILL BUY BOTH VERSIONS
Me.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: MaryJane on November 01, 2006, 08:26:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
For all we know as good as the Wii version is the Cube version may be better or at least as good, thus allowing a Cube owner to save the money of buying a new console.
He's right, why buy the new console when Nintendo is still so strongely supporting the GC!
Post by: mantidor on November 01, 2006, 08:35:33 AM
Post by: Nephilim on November 01, 2006, 08:37:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"So, who's still silly enough to buy the GCN version?"
Me. Japanese people like Brain Age and I don't. They're in love with the DS and I'm not. So impressions from Japan doesn't mean anything to me. Our interests aren't in sync. It is good the games isn't unplayable though. This at least tells us the controls are competent.
Where is the comparison between the Cube and Wii versions? Twlight Princess is going to be a great game regardless. For all we know as good as the Wii version is the Cube version may be better or at least as good, thus allowing a Cube owner to save the money of buying a new console. The real impressions and reviews to look up will be the comparison articles. Though since Nintendo is intentionally delaying the Cube version in North America and making it online-only in Japan few articles like that will probably show up which I'm sure was Nintendo's plan all along.
Planetgamecubes podcast compared them also, i believe by there american acsents that they are not japanese
Post by: couchmonkey on November 01, 2006, 08:41:19 AM
But the GameCube version will be great too.
Post by: Chris1 on November 01, 2006, 08:44:30 AM
Zelda Wii Experiences
Post by: Artimus on November 01, 2006, 08:53:28 AM
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I must admit, even back at E3 I had concerns about the controls. Would the Wii Remote swordplay get tedious? Would it be tiring? Is the pointing device accurate enough to get me out of a tight spot at the drop of a hat? Thankfully the answers are 'no, 'no' and 'yes'. I have to say though, there’s a mental barrier to cross with the Wii, and it’s one that I’m only just beginning to break through.
...
Anyway, back to how the sword feels. A laid back flick of the wrist is as good as an intense swipe but when you’re in the thick of it you’ll find yourself really going for it. And no, it isn’t tiring. I’ve been doing 12-hour sessions, simply because I’ve had to, and while my eyes are barely open at the end my hands and arms are just fine. Sorry, I know there are cynics out there who don’t want to hear that, but it’s true.
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There’s an area in the second dungeon (Nintendo PR, forgive me – I know I’m not supposed to talk about dungeon 2 but this particular bit is from the E3 demo) where you’re hiding behind crates and are being fired upon by six or seven Moblins. From the moment I first see them to the moment the last one falls lasts about six seconds. It’s literally just point shoot, point shoot. . . and each movement is spot-on, even though three of them are only separated by 5mm each. That’s nothing to do with my skill - that’s just how responsive, lag-free and accurate the technology is.
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But what of the sword fighting? Actually, it’s great. There is a tiny bit of lag but that’s because you have to complete the motion before the move is recognised. Honestly though, it’s a split-second thing.
You people are really sad, it's almost hilarious. But instead, just pathetic. The last six months in your lives:
"OMG THIS RULES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T USE THE WIIMOTE."
"OMG THIS GAME SUCKS BECAUSE IT USES THE WIIMOTE."
"OMG THIS GAME MUST BE BAD IF THEY'RE GIVING THE GCN VERSION EQUAL ATTENTION."
"OMG THEY'RE TRYING TO HIDE HOW BAD THIS GAME IS BY SUPPRESSING THE GCN VERSION!!!"
"OMG THESE ARE SO LIARS THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GCN VERSION SO CLEARLY THEY CANNOT JUDGE DESPITE THE FACT THE GCN CONTROLS ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WIND WAKERS."
"OMG I'M A FRICKIN MORON WHO IS SO INSISTANT THAT MY ORIGINAL OPINION BE RIGHT THAT I MUST IGNORE ALL LIKLIHOODS AND EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY."
"OMG I JUST PEED MY PANTS. YUM!"
Post by: vudu on November 01, 2006, 09:02:21 AM
QuoteTranslation: Anyone who buys the GCN version of Twilight Princess is stupid.
I have to say though, there’s a mental barrier to cross with the Wii, and it’s one that I’m only just beginning to break through.
Post by: Smoke39 on November 01, 2006, 09:04:03 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Edit: Wait a minute, we're turning into fanboys. GameCube vs. Wii fanboys. That's ridiculous! I take back everything I said. I think the Wii version is going to be awesome fun and I can't wait to swing my sword with the controller, no matter how accurate it is.
But the GameCube version will be great too.
Sofadude wins.
Post by: Pale on November 01, 2006, 09:07:35 AM
Post by: Deguello on November 01, 2006, 09:26:19 AM
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Japanese people like Brain Age and I don't. They're in love with the DS and I'm not. So impressions from Japan doesn't mean anything to me. Our interests aren't in sync.
This is banked for future use. Generalization of an entire country. The Implication that Brain Age is the only DS game despite several high-selling pieces of evidence to the contrary (including New Super Mario Brothers, which I believe would "sync" interests.) The assertation that Japanese impressions do not affect him, which jeopardizies any future comments about said about Japanese impressions or reviews.
You know who else loves the DS? USA and Europe, where the DS and Lite are outselling the PSP and selling at about the same rate as Japan. America and Europe love Nintendogs, much more than Japan does. So I guess the correction would be that everybody is in love with the DS and you aren't, which is fine, but nobody really cares about the muffled cries of a niche naysayer whose outdated, illogical, and never-ending complaints go around in a circle, filled with the bitterness that comes from unfulfilled predictions about the future, finding convenient shelter in the "unpopular opinion" bunker.
It is quite difficult to have an unpopular opinion and demogogue for those same people at the same time.
Oh yeah Zelda, Wii, Great Awesome.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 01, 2006, 09:26:36 AM
Yay for Zelda!
Post by: Caliban on November 01, 2006, 09:40:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
I wrote about how much I liked Zelda. No one seems to believe me though.
I did.
In fact I have gone to the point that I am so trustful of the Wii version that I am not reading any spoiler, I am not looking at any photo spoiler, I am not watching any video spoiler, and I am not listening to any soundtrack spoiler for Twilight Princess. 17 days 5 hours left for THE BIG DAY!.
Post by: Pale on November 01, 2006, 09:44:18 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 01, 2006, 09:51:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Me. Japanese people like Brain Age and I don't. They're in love with the DS and I'm not. So impressions from Japan doesn't mean anything to me. Our interests aren't in sync. It is good the games isn't unplayable though. This at least tells us the controls are competent.
That is funny, I thought Brain Age was doing quite well in the U.S., along with games like Nintendogs! Ian I am willing to bet your interests aren't in sync with the majority of U.S. gamers either, so I guess you shouldn't accept any person's opinion if you are going to generalize like that. Not to mention the fact that something like whether your arm gets tired or not while playing Zelda would differ from culture to culture. I would even go as far to argue that intuitive and easy controls is something that crosses cultural boundaries as well.
Post by: zakkiel on November 01, 2006, 09:59:48 AM
QuoteThen perhaps Pale's preview on this very site might influence you? Or the recent massive article - I think it was Gameplay - that gave it a glowing thumbs-up? Or the German preview?
"So, who's still silly enough to buy the GCN version?"
Me. Japanese people like Brain Age and I don't. They're in love with the DS and I'm not. So impressions from Japan doesn't mean anything to me. Our interests aren't in sync. It is good the games isn't unplayable though. This at least tells us the controls are competent.
Nah. It'll be "Game journalists like writing and I don't. So impressions from them don't mean anything to me."
I can't think of a single reason to buy the GC version if you plan to get a Wii at launch other than pure fear of change. I mean, if they launched at the same time I could understand it. But waiting an extra month when everyone raves about how natural the Wii version feels? I don't get it.
Post by: wandering on November 01, 2006, 10:00:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"So, who's still silly enough to buy the GCN version?"
Me. Japanese people like Brain Age and I don't. They're in love with the DS and I'm not. So impressions from Japan doesn't mean anything to me. Our interests aren't in sync. It is good the games isn't unplayable though. This at least tells us the controls are competent.
American people like GTA and I don't. So impressions from America doesn't mean anything to me. Our interests aren't in sync. I'm holding out for impressions from the Swiss.
Post by: King of Twitch on November 01, 2006, 10:06:17 AM
Post by: mantidor on November 01, 2006, 10:17:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
Stay tuned until this weekend for detailed impressions from a different PGC staffer... we'll see if he agrees with me.
oh my this is good! I thought you guys were left out of the whole Zelda showing that was going on this week with a lot of sites. Im intrigued if there has been any changes in the controls again.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 01, 2006, 10:21:07 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidorQuote
Originally posted by: Pale
Stay tuned until this weekend for detailed impressions from a different PGC staffer... we'll see if he agrees with me.
oh my this is good! I thought you guys were left out of the whole Zelda showing that was going on this week with a lot of sites. Im intrigued if there has been any changes in the controls again.
Does it even matter to you if they have? I think you'll dislike the game no matter what, and besides most who have played the recent build say it plays well so I really doubt it.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 01, 2006, 10:22:32 AM
Future use? What are you stalking me or something? And there is no implication that Brain Age is the only DS game. Or at least that's not my intention. I'm using the whole Japan thing as an example. The DS is unbelievably huge in Japan. Brain Age is also huge there. So Japanese game journalists probably think Brain Age is awesome and are impressed with the touchscreen features of the DS. I'm not. Nintendo games seem to be relying a lot on the novelty of a new control scheme and I'm just not that into that. So when Japanese game mags are raving about wand waving I'm skeptical because they raved about touchscreen stuff and I remain unimpressed. It's no different than Japanese mags raving about RPGs about emo teenagers fighting evil empires with lousy gameplay and me responding with "meh".
And seriously stop analysing every damn word I write and relate back to older opinions that may have changed. Sometimes I don't get the idea in my head into writing exactly as I want it. So quit bringing up sentences I wrote like two years ago that I don't even remember writing. I'm also not a robot where my opinions are like logic in a computer program that can't be broken. "OMG on June 6 2003 you said this! You can't contridict my interpretation of what you said means ever for the rest of your life or your brain will melt!"
Post by: vudu on November 01, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: mantidor on November 01, 2006, 10:34:59 AM
But this is getting off topic, yes I will probably dislike the game, but Im intrigued anyway. The only way I could like the game would be a complete and total remake of its gameplay mechanics, dungeons and worlds, in other words, that theres no hint that is a GC game, like just about any other wii game out there.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 01, 2006, 10:41:40 AM
Just because they like something doesn't mean I won't. I just feel that the remote and the DS touchscreen are similar in what they contribute to gaming. So I assume that someone who really likes the touchscreen will really like the remote. For me someone who has not been that impressed by the DS but is blown away by the Wii controls would be a better impression for me. Otherwise it's like someone who loves movies I hate recommending a movie to me.
The important thing is still the comparison. To play the Wii version I have to drop a couple hundred bucks. Considering that Zelda is the only Wii launch title I'm really interested in I can potentially save money or get a better console colour if I hold off on a Wii purchase. Since I can play Zelda on the Cube I can hold off unless the Wii version is so amazingly better that I'm missing out if I get the Cube one. Now being merely functional isn't good enough. There's no point in buying a Wii for something equally good as what I can buy for a console I already have. The Wii version has to be BETTER and significantly so for me to drop that couple hundred bucks. Even waiting a month doesn't matter since I'm expecting to get this for Christmas anyway. I always wait for a big title if it's at the end of the year.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 01, 2006, 11:03:44 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
The only way I could like the game would be a complete and total remake of its gameplay mechanics, dungeons and worlds, in other words, that theres no hint that is a GC game, like just about any other wii game out there.
are you sh!tting me? this is zelda. screw the control nonsense. this is zelda. I'd bet that the next Zelda game will play pretty much like this one does, or else it will have more in depth sword controls/puzzles utilizing the wiimote. Guess what? this is still zelda. why do you care that will feel like a GC game? the next zelda will probably have the same gameplay mechanics anyway. They perfected the 3d zelda formula in Majora's Mask. Let's let them experiment in level design all they want, cuz thats the only thing that will keep these titles feeling fresh.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 01, 2006, 11:09:56 AM
I won't have time to play TP when I've got 5 other launch games to deal with, so I'll save my Master Sording for time I have both fairy men under the same roof for the ULTIMATE BATTLE BETWEEN NEW VS. OLD.
Post by: Strell on November 01, 2006, 11:18:30 AM
I LIKE STUFF AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE STUFF AND ALSO DON'T LIKE STUFF.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT STUFF.
THE STUFF WE ALL LIKE.
Post by: MaryJane on November 01, 2006, 11:36:58 AM
Post by: Mario on November 01, 2006, 01:02:13 PM
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Me. Japanese people like Brain Age and I don't. They're in love with the DS and I'm not. So impressions from Japan doesn't mean anything to me. Our interests aren't in sync. It is good the games isn't unplayable though. This at least tells us the controls are competent.
You've GOT to be joking, did you know Brain Age sold / is selling faster in the US and Europe than it did in Japan? Besides, Pale isn't Japanese and I should have believed him from Day 1. The good TP Wii impressions aren't exclusive to Japan.
Here's some impressions from an Australian forum, this guy writing it had actually been trolling Nintendo fairly often and was hugely sceptical about Wii before he played it.
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When you read previews talking about how you "shake the controller to do a power up move" it sounds so detached. That really doesn't justify the feeling of reality and immersion when you perform a simple power up move, just by shaking the nunchuk. It's that amazing. In terms of the game itself, the controls take a little amount of time to get used to, and aiming is very difficult at first, but overall it does not feel like motion sensitive controls have been "shoe-horned" in. This is a Wii game, full stop. I cannot imagine myself playing the Gamecube version, knowing I could be playing this amazing, fully-integrated control method on the Wii. Every aspect is designed perfectly for the console. It was a bit intimidating stepping up to the plate at first, but it only takes a minute, and you're slashing both hands all over the place, pulling off combos and special moves to take down enemies. A highlight.
and another one...
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From what I played, all doubts over the choice of the Wii version disappeared. Combat and movement most definitely felt natural, even second nature in a very short amount of time.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 01, 2006, 01:08:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Where is the comparison between the Cube and Wii versions? Twlight Princess is going to be a great game regardless. For all we know as good as the Wii version is the Cube version may be better or at least as good, thus allowing a Cube owner to save the money of buying a new console. The real impressions and reviews to look up will be the comparison articles. Though since Nintendo is intentionally delaying the Cube version in North America and making it online-only in Japan few articles like that will probably show up which I'm sure was Nintendo's plan all along.
From IGN Boards:
"I'm very, very impressed with this game. The word 'epic' comes to mind, but it really does the adventure no justice. And there is no question in my mind that the Wii version is the one to get.
Matt"
What now?
Post by: Kairon on November 01, 2006, 01:19:44 PM
Look, it's great a bunch of people are rosy on Zelda, but that's ALL they are. ROSY.
And EXTRA rosy because it's launch, there's hype, and people are all goo-goo-ga-ga about stuff. And they secretly want to justify their launch purchases.
Ian IS wrong, you can't disregard these impressions just because they're from Japan. BUT you SHOULD disregard them because they're previews based on short playtime in a hype event.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Ian Sane on November 01, 2006, 01:28:51 PM
Nope. Is it really? Wow. I've just always heard about it being this huge deal in Japan.
"I'm very, very impressed with this game. The word 'epic' comes to mind, but it really does the adventure no justice. And there is no question in my mind that the Wii version is the one to get."
Is the Cube version going to somehow be less epic? I don't understand WHY he is suggesting the Wii version. He's impressed. That's expected considering its Zelda. Why is he suggesting the Wii version? Hell, has hr even played the Cube version since last year? Think of this purely as a cost issue. Is the Wii version worth spending $250 for a console in which nothing else grabs my interest yet when I already have another console that can play the same game. I'm hearing lots of "wow this controls great" but no "it controls poorly on the Cube" or "this game is better because of the controls." Right now it seems that if this wasn't a Wii game a lot of the praise would be the same because it's a killer Zelda game and has been designed to be such since day one.
I'm starting to wish Nintendo did just release it on the Wii with both controller options. Then there's no choice to be made and people can try both controls out. Or they did that original rumour of a Wii/Cube release that plays on both. Then I could just play it on the Cube and then try it out on the Wii later on when something else I want on the Wii comes out.
Post by: Mario on November 01, 2006, 01:34:58 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 01, 2006, 01:38:13 PM
Post by: decoyman on November 01, 2006, 01:40:45 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2006, 04:37:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale
I wrote about how much I liked Zelda. No one seems to believe me though.
You must believe in us as well.
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2006, 04:44:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Once I have both versions I'll bless the world with my impressions and all will be at peace.
I won't have time to play TP when I've got 5 other launch games to deal with, so I'll save my Master Sording for time I have both fairy men under the same roof for the ULTIMATE BATTLE BETWEEN NEW VS. OLD.
You should do side by side Boss battle and dungeon segment videos.
Anyways. Famitsu I don't trust. I'll wait until I get a recent build review from another staffer.
Post by: IceCold on November 01, 2006, 04:55:38 PM
QuoteWell, how exactly would it have changed?
Hell, has hr even played the Cube version since last year?
Post by: Mario on November 01, 2006, 04:58:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
NEVER trust launch reviews/previews. Just look at the PS3 Famitsu scores.
Look, it's great a bunch of people are rosy on Zelda, but that's ALL they are. ROSY.
And EXTRA rosy because it's launch, there's hype, and people are all goo-goo-ga-ga about stuff. And they secretly want to justify their launch purchases.
Ian IS wrong, you can't disregard these impressions just because they're from Japan. BUT you SHOULD disregard them because they're previews based on short playtime in a hype event.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
You can learn to ride a bike, but you can't UNlearn it.
Post by: Artimus on November 01, 2006, 05:26:21 PM
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Originally posted by: decoyman
Matt's a known videophile. The Wii version has widescreen and progressive scan support, and the Gamecube one doesn't. It's not surprising to me that he's recommending the one with the extra visual bells and whistles.
Yes, he is, but I don't think there's any doubt that if the control was broken he'd be all over it (see: WiiSports).
Post by: mantidor on November 01, 2006, 05:47:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Stimutacs AddictQuote
Originally posted by: mantidor
The only way I could like the game would be a complete and total remake of its gameplay mechanics, dungeons and worlds, in other words, that theres no hint that is a GC game, like just about any other wii game out there.
are you sh!tting me? this is zelda. screw the control nonsense. this is zelda. I'd bet that the next Zelda game will play pretty much like this one does, or else it will have more in depth sword controls/puzzles utilizing the wiimote. Guess what? this is still zelda. why do you care that will feel like a GC game? the next zelda will probably have the same gameplay mechanics anyway. They perfected the 3d zelda formula in Majora's Mask. Let's let them experiment in level design all they want, cuz thats the only thing that will keep these titles feeling fresh.
I disagree completly, first, MM didnt have in mind a whole new control method, the only possible direction was to polish what OoT already stablished, second, when Nintendo isn't concerned about the console's financial future, they are completly ok with throwing everything out of the window, just look at phantom hourglass and how completly different is from any past Zelda titles.
They could had perfectly given OoT the Super Mario 64 DS treatment and it would had sold well and moved DS units, but since the pressure to make the DS a success isn't there, they actually try their best to use the platform to its full potential, to be really imaginative and go in line with the supposedly objective of this brand new methods of control, which is to evolve games and offer actually fresh and new experiences. I'd be really dissapointed if Nintendo sticks with this limited gameplay solution for Zelda, I expect them to go completly nuts once they don't have the financial pressure as well as the limiting factor that is having to remake a GC game instead of creating a fully new one. This is what I dig about the wii, and this is the only way the can get my money, Im not going to spend a cent in a console that promises going in bold directions but in reality isnt doing it.
Post by: Deguello on November 01, 2006, 05:47:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
And seriously stop analysing every damn word I write and relate back to older opinions that may have changed. Sometimes I don't get the idea in my head into writing exactly as I want it. So quit bringing up sentences I wrote like two years ago that I don't even remember writing. I'm also not a robot where my opinions are like logic in a computer program that can't be broken. "OMG on June 6 2003 you said this! You can't contridict my interpretation of what you said means ever for the rest of your life or your brain will melt!"
I am so sorry you are annoyed by being called to task by a moderator with the basic skill of using the search function for these forums. If you can't take it, please leave. And WTF is this "older opinions may have changed?" I was led to believe by you and your supporters that you had deeply held convictions about games that were simply unpopular at the time. I didn't know they could change at any time for any reason and that you may not even remember them later. What is the point of listening to your bitchy, polemic opinions if even YOU don't remember them? Maybe you should think more before posting.
You just say what's convenient at the time to continue arguing, and it is really getting tiresome, seriously. I receive PM requests from a lot of forumers to get rid of you, and some to say I should keep you around simply for comedic value. The latter has been winning for quite a while, but recently you've just been argumentative and contrarian. You cite reviews and previews to start bitching about stuff and to discard game suggestions and NOW you say that magazine previews (at least Japanese ones) don't affect you in any way. It's tantamount to trolling. And no, not trolling by disparaging Nintendo on a Nintendo forum. This transcends game fandom. You are simply trolling the very idea of this forum by seeding argument everywhere you post, like it's your own personal plaything.
You may have been posting here a long time, but you are certainly no more entitled to post here than everybody else. And if you continue in this "sky is falling" "Nintendo is doomed" crap that Eric Mattei from Nintendojo used to pull all the time, I will cast you out like yesterday's garbage, just like I did Cubed_Canuck for doing exactly the same thing. He also thought mods were stalking him and the rules didn't apply to him either.
Watch yourself.
Post by: Kairon on November 01, 2006, 06:14:18 PM
BTW Mario, what did your statement about unlearning to ride a bike mean? It's totally lost on me.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: wandering on November 01, 2006, 06:23:34 PM
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I receive PM requests from a lot of forumers to get rid of you, and some to say I should keep you around simply for comedic value
I can just imagine.
CloudFan123: um could you ban ian i dont think someone who ndoesnt lik nintendo should really be allowed could you also get rid of svevan its really annoying trying to read the forums with ppl lik that on?????
Post by: mantidor on November 01, 2006, 06:29:11 PM
Post by: Kairon on November 01, 2006, 07:02:52 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 01, 2006, 07:20:57 PM
It wouldn't be so suspicious if his opinions didn't constantly shift to stay even with the pessimistic playing ground. He's perpetually on the complaining end of things, regardless of what Nintendo does.
That said, I have no problem with Ian buying the Cube version, and I may even buy it myself if it weren't for an irresistable temptation to get the game as soon as possible.
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2006, 07:25:25 PM
Post by: The Traveller on November 01, 2006, 07:58:58 PM
Well seeing though I played it the other night I can say that the controls work well, the only part that I found a little annoying was the aiming of the bow/arrow. I found it moved a little too easily, but that was only a minor problem I had. And apparently the game has a sensitivity setting so its not going to matter in the end. Using the wiimote for sword slashes is good, although when locked on you still push the A button to do Links double damage attack, which is what I use a lot more than normal slashes in Zelda.
In the end I like the Wii controls, they work well and I think it surpasses the old control scheme even if its only by a small margin. So heres the question, lets just say both control schemes work as well as each other. Now the only decison to make is what will be more fun? From what I played, I can say that using the Wii set up was refreshing, exciting and most importantly FUN! And that makes me consider it the overall winner.
Ian you may want to save your money till something like Mario Galaxy etc comes out, but I think its worth it to experience Zelda on the Wii. The controls dont feel tacked on, and Nintendo has done a fine job with translating it over to Wii. Mario 64 DS this is not.
Post by: Mario on November 01, 2006, 08:18:26 PM
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Mario 64 DS this is not.
That is pretty much exactly what I wanted to hear.
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Cubed... Canuck?
BTW Mario, what did your statement about unlearning to ride a bike mean? It's totally lost on me.
~Carmine M. Red
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Well about the Zelda Wii controls, how could people start not liking them all of a sudden?
Post by: TrueNerd on November 01, 2006, 08:25:49 PM
This is Zelda, people. Zelda! This should be a happy time, not one of bickering and arguing. I am sure some people will prefer the Wii version and others will prefer the GameCube version. Every way you slice it, we all get the chance to play a tremendous game.
I declare this argument officially BORING.
Post by: Kairon on November 01, 2006, 08:35:09 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 01, 2006, 09:33:57 PM
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It's quite sad really that a Zelda release isn't unifying Nintendo fans from all walks of life. It's actually having the opposite effect. Why is this? Are Ian and mantidor wrong because they either don't want to buy a whole new system when they don't have to or because they're not convinced the Wii version is going to be the definitive version of the game? I don't think so and it's not like they're writing it off completely like a ton of MySpace drama queen internet morons are. Am I wrong because I think the game will be awesome on either system and I'm getting it on Wii largely because I don't want to wait an extra month and I'd be getting the system anyways? Perhaps, but again, I don't think so.
This is Zelda, people. Zelda! This should be a happy time, not one of bickering and arguing. I am sure some people will prefer the Wii version and others will prefer the GameCube version. Every way you slice it, we all get the chance to play a tremendous game.
I declare this argument officially BORING.
Mantidor has pretty much written it off, so I do not consider his opinion as "concerned". Sure I can understand concern, but he falls into the realm of "I'm going to hate it no matter what" regardless of what people say who have actually played it, that is not solely being "unconvinced" but completely closing your mind to it. Do I have concerns about it? Definately but I've kept an open mind to it from day one, and so far I have seen nothing from the more recent previews to indicate much if anything is wrong, in fact the opposite seems to be cropping up. The main concern I have is still in regards to my arm getting tired while playng (but once again that seems to not be the case), but I am excited for it because aiming could be much better, and above all else fishing looks like a blast with the Wiimote.
Post by: SixthAngel on November 01, 2006, 09:38:32 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 01, 2006, 09:53:58 PM
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Why is everybody ripping into Ian. He wants to use the control scheme he is used to and knows for a fact has worked so will get the GC version. He also doesn't want to spend extra money for something when he doesn't have to. There is nothing wrong with this and frankly these are good reasons. He is not very excited about the wiimote so it is great for him that the gc version is still coming out. Nintendo fanboys are turning on each other for wanting a different Nintendo product, strange.
Yeah I really respect someone's opinion of something they have never laid their hands on the Wiimote and automatically hate it, even when indicators are that it has potential (and games like Zelda: TP have gotten mostly GOOD impressions). Not to mention Ian seems to complain about everything, and seldom has positive things to say. Heck I have HUGE concerns for a game like Gears of War but, guess what? I'm willing to see how it turns out and may very well buy it. The same applies to the PS3 when it actually gets some games I'm interested in and the price is more reasonable.
Post by: Plugabugz on November 01, 2006, 10:21:27 PM
The whole "america has growth" idea fails to wash with me when Europe has been neglected for donkeys. The potential here is huge, especially when you are faced with a £450 PS3 and a £300 360 Premium. 6 month delays on games is totally unacceptable when america and japan can launch within one week of each other.
I will be fair though, there has been a blitz on marketing for DS Lite here which has been simple and effective. I personally reckon they should shift some of their focus of growth from where they will historically make more money.
Post by: trip1eX on November 02, 2006, 03:15:30 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 03:31:18 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on November 02, 2006, 05:28:34 AM
Post by: mantidor on November 02, 2006, 05:51:29 AM
Regarding the controls, I was actually considering trying it with the first proposed method, now that they gave in and give the 1:1 controls for the sword I lost that little interest I had. Is simple, first, I dont consider Zelda a sword fighting game to begin with, watching the videos of the experiences makes me bored after the initial 10 seconds, Zelda is puzzles and adventure, have they shown a wii exclusive puzzle? a wii exclusive item that would make no sense if its controlled with the GC controller? no, and its expected they can't do that. Also, I dont think swordfighting itself is that great, something Ive said before, it looks cool when choreographed for sure, but only that, I wouldn't have fun actually waving the remote, I guess I'm the rare brand of geek who just doesn't have that inner "starwars kid" .
To finish, regarding Ian, I have rarely agreed with him, but his eternally pessimism attitude is just the same as the eternally optimistic attitude of more than one person here, damn theres this guy that was even a bit upset because people were dissapointed about the VC games available in Japan but not here, and that people should not be "negative", but you never see anyone complaining about that, right? thats what pisses me off.
Post by: Chris1 on November 02, 2006, 06:13:30 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidorRegarding the controls, I was actually considering trying it with the first proposed method, now that they gave in and give the 1:1 controls for the sword I lost that little interest I had. Is simple, first, I dont consider Zelda a sword fighting game to begin with, watching the videos of the experiences makes me bored after the initial 10 seconds, Zelda is puzzles and adventure, have they shown a wii exclusive puzzle? a wii exclusive item that would make no sense if its controlled with the GC controller? no, and its expected they can't do that.
Why is it expected? How do you know there aren't any Wii exclusive puzzles or weapons? There are still tons of things we don't know about this game, and I don't believe the sword fighting is mapped 1:1. I don't think having the Wiimote used for the sword would making it a swordfighting game, the wiimote is also used for the bow but I wouldn't call it an archery game.
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 06:16:49 AM
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In fact I have gone to the point that I am so trustful of the Wii version that I am not reading any spoiler, I am not looking at any photo spoiler, I am not watching any video spoiler, and I am not listening to any soundtrack spoiler for Twilight Princess.
Ok I cave in, lol, I can't resist it so I'm going to watch the opening video for TP and possibly other videos.
I don't understand why all this chatting is hapening at all, someone at NoA was kind enough to leave us the choice of purcahsing the GC version albeit late, and we also have the option of getting a Wii-enhanced version of TP. So why whine about it?! Ian?! Anyone else?!
Post by: mantidor on November 02, 2006, 06:17:59 AM
Late edit: To clarify, Im not reponding to Caliban but the post above.
Post by: Renny on November 02, 2006, 09:29:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
I don't understand why all this chatting is hapening at all, someone at NoA was kind enough to leave us the choice of purcahsing the GC version albeit late, and we also have the option of getting a Wii-enhanced version of TP. So why whine about it?! Ian?! Anyone else?!
Kind enough to force us to buy the Wii at launch if we want to play the game when it was promised? I don't expect any gratitude or respect from any corporation, but it isn't unreasonable to ask for a little bit of respect to the people who have kept the GameCube aloft this generation. Delaying a month to encourage sales for a system I don't have or plan to get this holiday is dirty and cheap, and no better than what Microsoft or Sony would do. If the heads of Nintendo want to act like they care so much about video games, show a little appreciation to the fans. (And yes, that includes people who aren't even pre-ordering the Wii, or getting in line at midnight for one, or even paying $500 for one on eBay. I know that blows some peoples' minds around here, but it's true.)
[troll fed; 15:30 on 2006-11-02]
Post by: Artimus on November 02, 2006, 09:33:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
I don't understand why all this chatting is hapening at all, someone at NoA was kind enough to leave us the choice of purcahsing the GC version albeit late, and we also have the option of getting a Wii-enhanced version of TP. So why whine about it?! Ian?! Anyone else?!
Kind enough to force us to buy the Wii at launch if we want to play the game when it was promised? I don't expect any gratitude or respect from any corporation, but it isn't unreasonable to ask for a little bit of respect to the people who have kept the GameCube aloft this generation. Delaying a month to encourage sales for a system I don't have or plan to get this holiday is dirty and cheap, and no better than what Microsoft or Sony would do. If the heads of Nintendo want to act like they care so much about video games, show a little appreciation to the fans. (And yes, that includes people who aren't even pre-ordering the Wii, or getting in line at midnight for one, or even paying $500 for one on eBay. I know that blows some peoples' minds around here, but it's true.)
[troll fed; 15:30 on 2006-11-02]
It's not dirty and cheap. You're getting the game exactly when they said: before the holidays. What you're doing is blaming them for doing what is best for them, and ultimately hurts you not at all.
I think putting your lack of patience before everything in the world is dirty and cheap, not the reverse.
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 09:39:59 AM
Post by: Renny on November 02, 2006, 09:59:28 AM
I hate to pull the 'fanboy' card, but it really is rampant on this board lately, a trait I never associated with this Nintendo community. I hope it all blows over after the launch.
Post by: mantidor on November 02, 2006, 10:57:25 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 11:07:59 AM
I would like you to put yourself in their shoes.
1 - You have one new game that can propel the new-system sales, and you also have that "same" game for the old-system that is no longer marketable.
What will you do? What is the most rational buisness decision?
I would go with the game that can propel a new-system into the more profitable buisness outcome.
2 - But you still want to sell the old-system version. How would you go about that without getting these new new-system buyers confused? Could I sell it before/same time/after the new-system version?
If it was released at the same time or before then it would cause a conflict with the marketing of the new-system version. If it's released after then the sales of the new-system version won't be affected by the lower sales of the old-system version.
I tried to be as succinct as possible.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 02, 2006, 11:19:14 AM
Post by: Renny on November 02, 2006, 11:36:10 AM
Yes, I suppose they could really screw Nintendo fans and not release the GameCube version at all. But that would likely cause an outcry that Nintendo couldn't afford to handle right now. So, they'll discourage sales of the GameCube version as best they can, short of wholly throwing it out. Anyway, this ground has been covered before. I don't think any of us see it any differently than we did when the release dates were announced.
Just to be clear, I'm not debating the merits of the Wii control scheme. I'm simply disappointed that Nintendo has led us along all this time, insisting again and again that this would always be a GameCube game, it was only ever intended to be a GameCube game--then pulling this stunt. If I were getting a Wii, and I still might if funds and system availability allow it, I'll get the Wii version for sure. But there are plenty of us who just won't have one for awhile. We get pissed on for the benefit of stupid people who've bought the Wii and/or for shareholders. Forgive me if I'm not onboard that line of reasoning.
Post by: trip1eX on November 02, 2006, 11:46:22 AM
Nintendo makes a Wii and a Gamecube version of ZElda:TP and releases Wii version 3 weeks earlier: Nintendo is a bunch of liars. First they say one thing then do another. Same 'ole thing with Nintendo. This is a bunch of crap.
Sometimes you just can't win.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 02, 2006, 12:07:13 PM
Nintendo makes a Wii and a Gamecube version of ZElda:TP and releases Wii version 3 weeks earlier: Nintendo is a bunch of liars. First they say one thing then do another. Same 'ole thing with Nintendo. This is a bunch of crap.
Sometimes you just can't win."
What about Nintendo releasing a dual-version that works on both systems (assuming that's possible)? Or releasing both on the same day? Or having both control options in the Wii version? There are a lot of other options. I can't stand this attitude that there are only two options for Nintendo in every situation and if any of us don't like both of them then we're hypocrites. It's never so black and white. Next someone will complain about people who don't like the Cube Pokemon games because they asked for a 3D Pokemon RPG and TECHNICALLY got one, low quality of said product be damned. I swear sometimes it's like a horror movie with a genie that always f*cks up everyone's wish somehow.
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 12:08:21 PM
If released:
* 2 seperate discs (1 Wii disc and 1 GC disc) in one game case. Basically if you don't get a Wii then you will play it on GC, but you paid for 2 versions for half the price of a 1st party game. Nintendo would not profit from this decision.
* 2 seperate discs (1 GC disc with Wii version if remotely possible, 1 GC disc for GC version) in one game case. Same as above, Nintendo would not profit.
* 1 Wii disc with both versions in one game case. That means if you only wanted the GC version you couldn't play it altogether unless you had a Wii. Not any good for us consumers and once again, Nintendo would not profit.
I don't see it in any other way.
I still think Nintendo made the right choice in terms of profitability.
I know alot of us gamers don't like the decision, but then again who are we to argue against a company that no matter how bad their business decisons have been they have always had profit.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 02, 2006, 12:38:39 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on November 02, 2006, 01:04:39 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 02:37:58 PM
Oh my, so basically what you are trying to say is that people will have a hard time aiming the bow, making slashing movements like they have done so many times as a kid?
Come on Ian, you can do better than that.
Post by: MaryJane on November 02, 2006, 03:14:48 PM
It means that a "real" Wii Zelda will be released in about 2 years!!
Someone start a new countdown thread!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 02, 2006, 03:35:11 PM
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I don't get why people insist on complaining about the Wii version of TP, don't you realize what it means?
It means that a "real" Wii Zelda will be released in about 2 years!!
Someone start a new countdown thread!
You know you could very well be right, this Zelda for Wii has had about a year to implement controls and I have a feeling most of the features will make it into the next Zelda thus cutting down production time. One thing I wonder about, is whether or not it will use the same graphics engine? Since Zelda TP is made from a modified Wind Waker engine, will they make a whole new one to take advantage of Wii? I know Wii isn't that huge of a jump from GC but I still would like to see an engine created around it.
Post by: Galford on November 03, 2006, 03:34:23 AM
Some of us here have stated numerous times why we're not happy with the Wii version of Zelda.
To post them here again would be a retread.
Many people here need to find better things to do then pick on Ian.
Post by: Ian Sane on November 03, 2006, 07:57:55 AM
I think it's logical that when changing a control scheme everyone is used to that some people are going to have difficulty adapting. Have YOU ever controlled a Zelda game waving your arms around? No. Maybe you'll pick it up right away or maybe you'll have a hard time with it. I know people who have never adapted to analog sticks. My Mom can't use a mouse. There's never a new way of doing something that is so simple that everyone gets used to it. And even if they can use the new method some people still might prefer the old way. I CAN play Street Fighter with an analog stick but I still prefer a d-pad or joystick.
And I was just suggesting a way to allow both controller options in one game while still forcing people to try the new way. OMG a compromise! How horrible!
Post by: Caliban on November 03, 2006, 06:11:46 PM
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I think it's logical that when changing a control scheme everyone is used to that some people are going to have difficulty adapting. 1 - Have YOU ever controlled a Zelda game waving your arms around? No. Maybe you'll pick it up right away or maybe you'll have a hard time with it. I know people who have never adapted to analog sticks. My Mom can't use a mouse. 2 - There's never a new way of doing something that is so simple that everyone gets used to it. And even if they can use the new method some people still might prefer the old way. I CAN play Street Fighter with an analog stick but I still prefer a d-pad or joystick.
3 - And I was just suggesting a way to allow both controller options in one game while still forcing people to try the new way. OMG a compromise! How horrible!
1 - I will soon, on the 14th to be more exact. Tell me, did you play Jungle Beat with the GC controller or the GC Bongo? Which did you prefer?
2 - True.
3 - I understand what you are saying. But, you have to understand that the creator has the last word to what is going to be used despite your incessant efforts to change it.
Post by: King of Twitch on November 03, 2006, 06:16:37 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 03, 2006, 06:25:14 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 03, 2006, 06:42:38 PM
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I don't think Miyamoto cares for those that have not played the game, if you haven't played it your input is virtually u-s-e-l-e-s-s-!
After reading all these impressions from people who have played the game recently, it is making the detractors (the ones who have pretty much made up their minds they will hate it) who have never put their hands on the game look pretty ridiculous and kind of childish. Now if they actually put their hands on the game and actually gave it a fair try (Like 10 hrs), then I would respect their opinions alot more.
Post by: Shecky on November 03, 2006, 07:01:33 PM
Post by: wandering on November 05, 2006, 06:58:03 AM
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[...] You just say what's convenient at the time to continue arguing, and it is really getting tiresome, seriously. [...]
I like to assume good faith. Ian certainly could be a troll: his negativity does garner him alot of attention. But he could also, you know, be legitimately concerned about Nintendo's traditional lack of third party support, and Nintendo's new non gamer focus. Alot of Nintendo fans think we're already basking in the light of Nintendo's second coming...but the truth is we're not quite there yet. Those who think we are there may see those who don't think we are as trolls...but I don't think they necessarily are. There will always be room for doubt while the Wii still is not out (hey, that rhymes.)
Post by: Plugabugz on November 05, 2006, 07:43:02 AM
Ian is a good example of a celebrity. He opens his mouth, people complain. He doesn't say anything, people talk about him. He agrees, people talk about it. He doesn't agree, people get upset. Ian blinks and the world economy falls into recession.
Post by: Artimus on November 05, 2006, 07:57:41 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 05, 2006, 11:03:29 AM
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I think the reason they don't have cube function is because if you want that you can just buy the Cube version and...play it on the Wii. That and they clearly feel, as everyone who played it has, that the Wii version is superior.
Blast Nintendo, they should of had control pad controls in Super Mario 64!
Post by: Ian Sane on November 06, 2006, 07:07:51 AM
Can I get some high paying endorsement deals then? Might as well rack in some millions if I can, right?
Post by: ShyGuy on November 06, 2006, 07:33:09 AM
Post by: trip1eX on November 06, 2006, 09:12:57 AM
