Post by: Pryopizm on October 31, 2006, 07:06:29 PM
Otherwise, I love this game so much!
Pale, if you read this, drop FF XI and go pick up FF XII, it plays like XI but without all the crappy waiting for a balanced party.
Post by: IceCold on October 31, 2006, 07:09:24 PM
Post by: Pryopizm on October 31, 2006, 07:20:16 PM
This is a well crafted game that moves smoothly and is just gorgeous to look at. I'm only a few hours in, but so far I've been able to complete a couple hunts for bounties and start off a major quest. And I haven't even mentioned the beauty that is the opening of the game. As far as the presentation, this is the best written Final Fantasy to date, and--without a doubt--Square's CG work simply gets better and better (and there's plenty of it).
And I'm also not sure what SmashBros was complaining about, either. The fights are very easy to handle, and starting off an attack can be as simple as pressing the X button twice.
I doubt many others here are going to play it, but I'm damn sure I'll get plenty of negative reaction about it. Whatever. Provide me some comedy, guys. Rip on a game you haven't played!
Post by: Strell on October 31, 2006, 07:21:36 PM
Discussion over.
Post by: Pryopizm on October 31, 2006, 07:22:44 PM
Post by: Pale on October 31, 2006, 07:25:34 PM
There are so many people that hate on FF just because they think it makes them cooler that it isn't even funny. It kind of makes me sick. You are the second person to tell me how awesome this game is. I trust you and my buddy at work much more than I trust random forumers.
Post by: Strell on October 31, 2006, 07:26:27 PM
Post by: Pryopizm on October 31, 2006, 07:32:32 PM
But continue, so far your ignorance is my pleasure!
Post by: Kairon on October 31, 2006, 07:33:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale
I trust you and my buddy at work much more than I trust random forumers.
You...you trust REAL PEOPLE over US?!?!?!
*sniff*
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: IceCold on October 31, 2006, 07:38:28 PM
QuoteAnd therein lies the problem.
Square's CG work simply gets better and better (and there's plenty of it)
Pale, I don't see how "trust" factors into this. At the very least, look at some of the concerns others had, and see if they would bother you. If they don't, good for you!
Post by: blackfootsteps on October 31, 2006, 08:23:04 PM
Post by: Pryopizm on October 31, 2006, 09:38:13 PM
Not only that, but all Square's cutscenes were not CG. Mostly they were short scenes lasting a minute or less. This game has gorgeous CG more frequently than in other Square games. The introduction of the game is fairly long, but it's not obscenely long by any standards. In fact, with the voice acting, action, and music, it's actually quite good.
Nice thing though, if you don't like cutscenes, you can skip them. So, please, more "concerns", please! I want to knock them down like bowling pins.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 01, 2006, 02:38:40 AM
Yeah you can skip the cut scenes, but the only way I found to PAUSE them were to open the disc drive. This same thing was wrong with VP 2: Silmeria. Sometimes during a long scene I have something I have to go do, and sitting through a long scene that is long for the sake of being long, is very ANNOYING!
I like the gambits, like you can have one character always cast say protect on the party so you always have that status, or to remove poison. Gambits are like the best thing to happen in a RPG for a while! =D
Post by: Magik on November 01, 2006, 02:54:16 AM
You could always skip them if they are that much of a problem.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 01, 2006, 06:30:14 AM
Imagine playing Battalion Wars and having to open a menu to start attacking an enemy even though there were plenty of buttons open which could have been mapped as attack.
Hell, I'm playing Contact right now and even Suda 51 had the common sense to make it so, when you finish attacking an enemy, you automatically start attacking the next enemy which is attacking you and the attack command is mapped to the B button.
I don't care how good the story is: a sloppy interface warrants a few points off.
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2006, 07:00:04 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 01, 2006, 07:44:16 AM
I can pause a movie at any part, not just the boring or non-climatic-epic-event parts. So why can't I pause a cut scene in a game?
Post by: Smoke39 on November 01, 2006, 08:49:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Pryopizm
CG is not a problem. If you want pure visceral gameplay with zero story, then yes, FF is not for you.
You say that as if cutscenes are the only way to tell a good story.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 01, 2006, 09:02:26 AM
I like story as long as it's not some stupidly clicheed crap Final Fantasy tends to serve up and I like gameplay more than story.
Post by: Strell on November 01, 2006, 10:07:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Pryopizm
Yeah, you have no damn clue what you're talking about Strell. FF VII and VIII are easily the weakest in the series, but IX and X are nothing like them. And Final Fantasy XII has about as much in common with FF7 as a toaster has with a rock.
But continue, so far your ignorance is my pleasure!
That's cool. You spending money on a POS game is my pleasure.
Post by: Pale on November 01, 2006, 10:25:35 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 01, 2006, 11:18:05 AM
Post by: Pryopizm on November 01, 2006, 12:38:03 PM
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Originally posted by: StrellQuote
Originally posted by: Pryopizm
Yeah, you have no damn clue what you're talking about Strell. FF VII and VIII are easily the weakest in the series, but IX and X are nothing like them. And Final Fantasy XII has about as much in common with FF7 as a toaster has with a rock.
But continue, so far your ignorance is my pleasure!
That's cool. You spending money on a POS game is my pleasure.
What an excellent bon mot! You sure got me!
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on November 01, 2006, 01:20:55 PM
Post by: Pryopizm on November 01, 2006, 01:36:58 PM
Post by: Strell on November 01, 2006, 01:37:07 PM
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I pause the cut-scenes by pressing start, Nitsu. CG or in-game. What happens when you do it?Quote
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Originally posted by: Pryopizm
Yeah, you have no damn clue what you're talking about Strell. FF VII and VIII are easily the weakest in the series, but IX and X are nothing like them. And Final Fantasy XII has about as much in common with FF7 as a toaster has with a rock.
But continue, so far your ignorance is my pleasure!
That's cool. You spending money on a POS game is my pleasure.
What an excellent bon mot! You sure got me!
Yes, yours was much better, really.
The fact that you can't see that they all star prepubescent man women running around with a big artifact trying to stop the world from being destroyed, all while painting themselves up in a lot of useless cutscenes, doesn't bode well for you. I imagine you thought X-2 was a great game as well.
Post by: Athrun Zala on November 01, 2006, 05:15:53 PM
yeah, the story was subpar and the GF a pain, but the Junction System and Triple Triad were all kinds of awesome.....
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2006, 05:27:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Pryopizm
That game is harsh. 12 level dungeons with no save areas and zillions of random battles is rough going.
My poor poor PS2 It only has so much time you can leave it on before it dies...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 01, 2006, 05:28:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Pryopizm
I pause the cut-scenes by pressing start, Nitsu. CG or in-game. What happens when you do it?
It kept on playing and had a skip with "x" in the bottom corner. Again to be fair I only tired this once and it was a early cut scene. But still I should have been able to pause it.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 01, 2006, 05:35:31 PM
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why does everyone seems to hate FFVIII?
yeah, the story was subpar and the GF a pain, but the Junction System and Triple Triad were all kinds of awesome.....
FFVIII in my opinion is the least "Final Fantasy" game in the series. Leveling up was so broken it was easy. I mean 1000 exp per level. I had Squall at level 100 right after the Fire Cave part and before the next part of the game. That was like at the very beginning of the game.
I didn't get the Ultimeca part. It just seemed to come out of nowhere. It could have been mentioned, but it just seemed to me that it was thrown in at the last minute because Square decided that Edea wasn't going to be evil.
I like FFVII more that FFVIII and I hate FVII.
I did like the draw and junction part, but I didn't like that for some of the GF's you just drew them out of bosses, like Tiamat and the GF that it held. I like to fight them because it make me feel like I accomplished something.
Post by: Mario on November 01, 2006, 05:44:14 PM
Post by: Pryopizm on November 01, 2006, 05:56:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Pryopizm
That game is harsh. 12 level dungeons with no save areas and zillions of random battles is rough going.
My poor poor PS2 It only has so much time you can leave it on before it dies...
I was referring to the post above me. The one that said the original was the best. That game is harsh. There's plenty of chances to save in FF XII, though I do begrudge them not having an auto-save system like FF XI had (by necessity, of course)
And as far as FF VIII goes...the plot was secondary. The point of the story was a terrible romance that couldn't have had two characters with less depth and chemistry. However, I loved the junctioning system, I loved drawing magic to increase my stats, and I loved the limit breaks. LionHeart makes me giggle like a little girl every time.
And Strell, I hope you continue trolling this thread, it really adds so much to the conversation. Aso, it's totally not against the forum rules and I'm sure no one would enforce them even if they were.
Post by: Ceric on November 01, 2006, 06:01:48 PM
Post by: Strell on November 01, 2006, 06:40:07 PM
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And Strell, I hope you continue trolling this thread, it really adds so much to the conversation. Aso, it's totally not against the forum rules and I'm sure no one would enforce them even if they were.
You're the one pulling the personal attacks, pardner.
Post by: Kairon on November 01, 2006, 07:12:42 PM
Save some for Ian! Seriously!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon.aol.com
Post by: Svevan on November 01, 2006, 07:42:12 PM
Game on.
Post by: Kairon on November 01, 2006, 08:51:03 PM
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 02, 2006, 03:09:18 AM
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Leveling up is always easy, in anything. Just just keep doing it. It requires nothing but time.
Yes, but Final Fantasy 8 required only 1000 points to get to level 2, to then get to level 3 and then for each level until 100. Not an increasing amount like 1000 then 2000 or anything like that. each level required only an individual amount of 1000 points to level up. That's just too easy.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 02, 2006, 03:15:40 AM
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So uh... why is it a good thing that FFXII is like what FFXI should have been, and offline to boot?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Because it proves (at leat to me) that Final Fantasy 11 should have been a seperate game in the FF universe and not a numbered part of the series. And FF12 shows that FF11 could have been offline and made a better game for it.
I played FF11 for like 4 months before cancelling because it was nothing but an exercise in frustration. There was not a goddamn thing in the game that was 100% neccessary for the game to be online only. It could have also been offline, becuase of the fact that you can play it solo, so why should I have to be online to play solo when the only online part was the auction house and seeing other people run around, which is neither good or bad, it got in the way more than anything. too busy.
ff11 could have been offline and everything about the game would have been better.
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 03:47:20 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 02, 2006, 04:35:17 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on November 02, 2006, 04:45:18 AM
Quotesince the enemies leveled up with you, it wasn't THAT easy.....
Originally posted by: nitsu niflheimQuote
Originally posted by: Mario
Leveling up is always easy, in anything. Just just keep doing it. It requires nothing but time.
Yes, but Final Fantasy 8 required only 1000 points to get to level 2, to then get to level 3 and then for each level until 100. Not an increasing amount like 1000 then 2000 or anything like that. each level required only an individual amount of 1000 points to level up. That's just too easy.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 02, 2006, 04:53:39 AM
Post by: Svevan on November 02, 2006, 03:55:27 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 06:31:59 PM
