Post by: Bill Aurion on October 31, 2006, 03:05:25 AM
A new trailer will be coming to the Nintendo World show in Japan (first day is November 3rd), supposedly one that showcases the already-revealed new characters in real-time (and not in FMV like the last trailer)...Hopefully they showcase a new arena or two, and possibly even a new character, but I guess I shouldn't get too spoiled!
Post by: Darkheart on October 31, 2006, 03:58:30 AM
Speaking of SSBM does anyone think Sakurai is really goin to stick with ONLY 2-3 3rd party characters. . . . .? It seems kind of sad if he did with so much potential out there.
Post by: JonLeung on October 31, 2006, 04:01:43 AM
I suppose I could avoid all trailers (to be surprised by everything), but that would be difficult...
Post by: couchmonkey on October 31, 2006, 04:21:35 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 31, 2006, 04:57:29 AM
I am hoping for them to show exactly how the game is played (Gamecube controller/virtual console controller or Wii controller.)
I also would like to see a more balanced representation on how the Super Moves work, and Air Combos.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 31, 2006, 05:49:35 AM
About the third party characters, I think Sakurai wants to preserve a balance, meaning that SSB is all about Nintendo, not Nintendo vs. the rest of the gaming industry.
I just hope at least Sonic makes it. I mean, the idea is so obvious that if they don't do it they will look foolish.
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 06:12:21 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 31, 2006, 06:26:30 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I think the characters that will be revealed are the ones previously mentioned on a radio interview (Riddley, Bowser Jr. and cel shaded Link), as well as the updated models of the current characters.
For the love of god, that was FAKE.
That rumor is going to stay around until the damn thing comes out now...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 31, 2006, 06:32:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
As we discussed back in the day on the Smash Brother thread. Sonic just doesn't have a good moveset. Bomberman and Simon Belmont are better choices.
Neither did Fox and Cpt. Falcon, but that didn't stop Hal from creating special movesets for them.
At least Sonic has some good attributes that make him a good fighter.
His spin dash can easily be turned into a down+B move. His hop and attack a basic jump attack, and he has speed. Oh and since they are implementing super mega attacks in Brawl, Sonic's super attack can be him turning into Super Sonic.
Once again, if they were able to take characters that are not known for their moves (because Fox and Falcon are vehicle based characters) and create solid and LOGICAL moves for them, who says they can't do the same thing for Sonic, who at least has attacks of his own?
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For the love of god, that was FAKE. That rumor is going to stay around until the damn thing comes out now...
Last I heard, Sakurai himself confirmed the characters in a radio interview. The news was posted around sites. True, it is still unconfirmed, but considering Sakurai was involved in this there is some slight truth to it.
We'll find out when this alleged trailer is released.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that this rumor is more valid than the rumor of Ubisoft characters being in the game. With that rumor, only one OBSCURE source was credited, then it was never heard from again. At least the Radio show rumor was credited as possible.
Post by: Smoke39 on October 31, 2006, 06:32:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
As we discussed back in the day on the Smash Brother thread. Sonic just doesn't have a good moveset. Bomberman and Simon Belmont are better choices.
How is Bomberman any better than Sonic? Sonic can... spin... dash... thingy. Bomberman can chuck bombs. Neither of them has much of a "moveset."
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 06:41:17 AM
*cough*
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Originally posted by: JonLeung I suppose I could avoid all trailers (to be surprised by everything), but that would be difficult...
Nigh impossible, even. Sakurai had already said that they'll announce the secret characters even before the game is out to avoid the fiasco they had last time.
Oh, and Sonic WILL BE IN THIS GAME. People have been clamoring to see Mario vs. Sonic for decades now. It WILL happen.
Post by: capamerica on October 31, 2006, 06:52:49 AM
And I really want to see some new Nintendo characters and not ones we have heard of.
Post by: zakkiel on October 31, 2006, 07:01:37 AM
QuoteAm I the only one who thinks it's kind of sad that SSBB will include non-Nintendo characters at all?
Speaking of SSBM does anyone think Sakurai is really goin to stick with ONLY 2-3 3rd party characters. . . . .? It seems kind of sad if he did with so much potential out there.
And capamerica, why is Samus sucking on a pacifier in your avatar?
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 31, 2006, 07:08:19 AM
But if Sonic is in the game I wouldn't mind.
I want Bomberman and Mega Man though.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 07:19:51 AM
However, Bomberman and Megaman are HIGHLY likely, given that Hudson developed so many Mario Party games for Nintendo and Mega Man was practically a Nintendo character back in the day.
Rayman is also likely, given the absolute EXPLOSION of Ubi support for the Wii and the at least timed exclusivity of RRR for the Wii, DS and GBA.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 31, 2006, 07:24:47 AM
Edit: and for his super attack, he does the Kamehameha Wave.
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 07:53:33 AM
Rayman be an interesting addition.
I too am sad that it's not just Nintendo.
Post by: Caterkiller on October 31, 2006, 07:57:28 AM
What did you square fans out there think when you found out Disney characters would be crossing with Final Fantasy characters? Seems like that would be a bit harder to swallow.
And as long as Mario isn't traveling with Snake on one of his missions, and vice versa nothing wrong is going on.
As for Sonic as a fighter, im sure it can work.
A - Standard kicks and punches
A Smash left or right - Super Peel out. If done quickly(c stick speed) Sonic does a nice punch(or Kick maybe) like Marios old smash attack from the first game. If held for about 2 seconds or longer, he runs in place(like Sonic CD) and once you let go he takes a medium sized, fast step, with a sudden stop into a huge kick or punch.
A Smash up - I imagine a kick like Fox's
A Smash Down - Once again I can only think of low split kick like Fox or a sweep like Mario.
Just jumping and pressing A will work like bowsers except Sonic gets that white flash around him while he is in a ball from Sonic 3.
B - Sliding kick (that I hate so much from Heroes!)
Down B- (and rapidly press) Spin Dash (similiar to jigglypuffs, maybe just slightly faster and harder to control. Can't do it in mid air like Jiggly.
Up B- Sonic Tornado - Spins up in a tornado probably about as wide or just a hair wider then adult links spining attack. Would work like Young Links spin attack.
Down B in Air - Bounce/dig - If you tap it Sonic will bounce back up getting slightly higher, 3 bounces max. But only stationary no bouncing all over the place. If Held, Sonic comes crashing down like bowser, goes under the ground, and then able to pop back out to the left or the right, but not very far. If ground is very thin and Sonic goes under he's dead.
I think things similiar to that can work great.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 08:39:44 AM
Post by: Strell on October 31, 2006, 08:44:03 AM
What the f*ck is wrong with some of you people?
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 31, 2006, 08:44:22 AM
The Standard Bomb would blow up similar to Bomberman 64, a small radial blast.
Another Bomb available would be a Water Bomb that when thrown bounces like the Rubber Bomb in Super Bomberman 2. And explodes as water rushing across the ground, more like traditional Bomberman blasts...but with water.
Finally a Wind Bomb can be used to allow Bomberman to recover from smash attacks, and send foes flying.
Charging bombs can make their blasts bigger, and charge enough and you can make a detonator bomb which water bombs, and a Dangerous Bomb with regular bombs, and perhaps a Hidden mine with air bombs, that smashes the player straight up.
Now all you need is some generic style fighting for the rest of Bomberman.
Mega Man is both easier and harder to create. Easier because there is so many options for weapons, harder, because it can be difficult to make him feel like a unique character.
Basically you would want to recreate Mega Man's most popular moves and abilities copied by his foes.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 08:45:50 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 31, 2006, 09:06:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
As you said Fox and Falcon where Vehicle based characters. We didn't know what they could do. For all I knew Fox could Morph into a robot. Sonic has a clear defined move set that are his. For that very reason it makes it harder. It's easier to paint a work of art on a blank canvas then to add to the Mona Lisa.
Did you freak out when Mario learned how to throw a punch in Super Mario 64? What about the Ice Climbers? Their original move set was even simpler than Mario's. Besides, this sort of pedantry in general has no place in a game that lets Donkey Kong pick up a Super Scope and shoot a ReDead, then get a flower planted in his skull by a Pokemon summoned by Samus. Compared to that, Sonic learning Kung Fu is almost banal.
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 31, 2006, 09:09:26 AM
Little things like that are important. Things that point out that this character is different.
I offered once that Bomberman should be able to hold Bob-Bombs indefinately...and he should be the only one that can kick his bombs and pick them up.
To me Smash Brothers isn't just a fighting game, it is a game about designing the characters to feel like who they are from their original games.
Another aspect that would be cool for Bomberman would be to do bomb jumps, off of bombs he let go. As he bounces off of them they explode...causing faster explosions, but they don't hurt him. Yet, Bomberman can still get caught in his own blasts regularly going off.
I am curious how they design Solid Snake, because he seems to be the hardest new character to represent honestly in Smash Brothers. MetaKnight already looks cool and has some unique attributes, and so does Pit, but Solid Snake, we haven't seen anything of him really.
Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2006, 09:14:40 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 31, 2006, 09:30:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
They could make it so, whenever Mega Man KOs someone, he gets their powers until he gets KOed or KOs someone else.
I never have liked that idea. I want to see Mega Man using powers he's famous for, not shooting Link's light arrows or whatever the heck he'd get out of Jigglypuff or Captain Falcon. I'd like him to be loaded up with several classic weapons that he can cycle through quickly with down+b and fire (maybe with a charge up) with b.
Post by: ThePerm on October 31, 2006, 09:32:05 AM
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 09:32:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
As you said Fox and Falcon where Vehicle based characters. We didn't know what they could do. For all I knew Fox could Morph into a robot. Sonic has a clear defined move set that are his. For that very reason it makes it harder. It's easier to paint a work of art on a blank canvas then to add to the Mona Lisa.
Did you freak out when Mario learned how to throw a punch in Super Mario 64? What about the Ice Climbers? Their original move set was even simpler than Mario's. Besides, this sort of pedantry in general has no place in a game that lets Donkey Kong pick up a Super Scope and shoot a ReDead, then get a flower planted in his skull by a Pokemon summoned by Samus. Compared to that, Sonic learning Kung Fu is almost banal.
Well actually if you want to know the truth yeah. Because I realized that this was what was replacing my Flower Power. Though your comparing an in canon game to a non-canon game. Sort of apple and oranges. To make a long story short. If I see Samus sucking up an Enemy and assuming their powers I worry. If I saw link drop his sword and shield then bust out some wicket Jet Lee style kung fu. I worry. It be very out of character. Bowser using a Rapier. etc. All as the default not items. Level items don't define the core character direction. Things that are out of character would hurt the perception your really are playing that character.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on October 31, 2006, 09:34:26 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 09:43:47 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear I never have liked that idea. I want to see Mega Man using powers he's famous for, not shooting Link's light arrows or whatever the heck he'd get out of Jigglypuff or Captain Falcon. I'd like him to be loaded up with several classic weapons that he can cycle through quickly with down+b and fire (maybe with a charge up) with b.
That'd be fine too.
I'm just tossing out ideas, really.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 31, 2006, 09:55:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Well actually if you want to know the truth yeah. Because I realized that this was what was replacing my Flower Power. Though your comparing an in canon game to a non-canon game. Sort of apple and oranges. To make a long story short. If I see Samus sucking up an Enemy and assuming their powers I worry. If I saw link drop his sword and shield then bust out some wicket Jet Lee style kung fu. I worry. It be very out of character. Bowser using a Rapier. etc. All as the default not items. Level items don't define the core character direction. Things that are out of character would hurt the perception your really are playing that character.
Well, first of all, it's hard to feel like I'm playing Samus when Shyguys start flying around, so I deny most any criticim based on "faithfulness" to the characters. It's about paying homage to the characters and the games they appeared in, not recreating those games. If it's okay for Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Samus, and many others, including Link, to punch and kick in addition to all the moves they're famous for and even a few more, then I don't have a problem with Sonic doing so if he winds up joining in, which he might not in the end.
I really hope you can see a difference between allowing Sonic to use the hands he's always had and giving Bowser a sword.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 31, 2006, 10:04:27 AM
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That'd be fine too.
I'm just tossing out ideas, really.
Oh, I know. I didn't mean to offend, if I did. I just had an idea of my own to toss out.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 10:17:34 AM
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Oh, I know. I didn't mean to offend, if I did. I just had an idea of my own to toss out.
I'd have more to say on the subject but I've never really played any Mega Man games.
As for Sonic, he obviously has strong legs so most of his attacks should be foot-based, but yeah, characters use their hands and feet in these games all the time in manners which they never do in their games.
Why would there be anything wrong with Link kicking someone just because he doesn't do it in his games or Samus punching?
And lest we forget that Link's downward stab move was taken from the ORIGINAL SSB and found its way into both Soul Caliber 2 AND Twilight Princess so it's apparently a two way street.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 31, 2006, 10:23:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: PartyBear
Oh, I know. I didn't mean to offend, if I did. I just had an idea of my own to toss out.
I'd have more to say on the subject but I've never really played any Mega Man games.
As for Sonic, he obviously has strong legs so most of his attacks should be foot-based, but yeah, characters use their hands and feet in these games all the time in manners which they never do in their games.
Why would there be anything wrong with Link kicking someone just because he doesn't do it in his games or Samus punching?
And lest we forget that Link's downward stab move was taken from the ORIGINAL SSB and found its way into both Soul Caliber 2 AND Twilight Princess so it's apparently a two way street.
The downward stab is from The Adventure of Link.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on October 31, 2006, 10:31:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: PartyBear
Oh, I know. I didn't mean to offend, if I did. I just had an idea of my own to toss out.
I'd have more to say on the subject but I've never really played any Mega Man games.
As for Sonic, he obviously has strong legs so most of his attacks should be foot-based, but yeah, characters use their hands and feet in these games all the time in manners which they never do in their games.
Why would there be anything wrong with Link kicking someone just because he doesn't do it in his games or Samus punching?
And lest we forget that Link's downward stab move was taken from the ORIGINAL SSB and found its way into both Soul Caliber 2 AND Twilight Princess so it's apparently a two way street.
The downward stab is from The Adventure of Link.
You mean Zelda 2, the infamous NES Zelda?
And all this time I thought the move was generated in SSB...
Maybe the reason S_B belived that the stab was from SSB was because no other game used it after the Adventure of Link. I certainly don't remember the movie on OoT, Majora's mask, Link's awakening and such.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 10:40:03 AM
Never played Adventure of Link.
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 10:44:34 AM
Post by: Zach on October 31, 2006, 11:22:06 AM
Edit: had to say it since no one else did.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 31, 2006, 11:35:20 AM
KALI MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: IceCold on October 31, 2006, 11:37:38 AM
Post by: Arbok on October 31, 2006, 11:57:50 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
Last I heard, Sakurai himself confirmed the characters in a radio interview. The news was posted around sites. True, it is still unconfirmed, but considering Sakurai was involved in this there is some slight truth to it.
That WAS the rumor. There is NO truth to it.
Seriously, Miyamoto just announced on the radio show SGF in Japan that he was defecting to Sony. True? False?
Just because they mentioned Sakurai's name doesn't mean there is even a hint of truth to it:
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Reader Juno Reactor is calling bull on this story, staying that it stemmed from a fake poster on Neo-Gaf. While there hasn’t been a confirmation of the story, keep a watchful eye out.
http://gonintendo.com/?p=2958 -circa June 2006.
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2006, 12:17:26 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 31, 2006, 01:24:37 PM
Of course if we do see a completly new character, it's going to be Sonic. I remember Miyamoto saying in an interview that Sonic was the most requested character and you know the impact that showing Sonic would have. Plus what better way to create huge hype for the Wii before launch then telling people that Sonic WILL be in the next Smash Bros.
Post by: Edfishy on October 31, 2006, 01:52:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Zach
OLIMAR!!!
Edit: had to say it since no one else did.
Well, not to make this a "What Game Characters Should Be In Brawl" discussion, but I always thought Earthworm Jimwould make a great Smash Brothers character. Unfortunately, the Jim character doesn't exactly have a strong(or popular for that matter) series to fall back apon, so I guess it's still just a wish.
Post by: wandering on October 31, 2006, 02:02:23 PM
But anyway.
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I'd like him to be loaded up with several classic weapons that he can cycle through quickly with down+b and fire (maybe with a charge up) with b.
Cycling through weapons in Smash Bros? Not sure I like that idea.
Post by: Kairon on October 31, 2006, 02:07:42 PM
Seriously though, I can't even imagine any characters to add to the roster.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Dasmos on October 31, 2006, 03:30:32 PM
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Post by: Mario on October 31, 2006, 03:43:49 PM
Post by: Svevan on October 31, 2006, 03:46:37 PM
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If they cut jiggly puff out..[Sonic] should take some of jiggly's moves
If they cut Jiggly Puff out heads will roll. And not mine.
Post by: Dasmos on October 31, 2006, 04:02:07 PM
QuoteBut it's always the exact same discussion.
Originally posted by: Smoke39
What else is there to talk about regarding SSB?
Post by: Edfishy on October 31, 2006, 04:24:06 PM
Also, why is Zero Suit Samus in the game? She's hardly original, and should have been an all new character altogether utilizing the same move-set. Having another Samus is along the same lines as Falco, Doctor Mario, and Pichu.
Post by: Arbok on October 31, 2006, 04:27:50 PM
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Also, why is Zero Suit Samus in the game? She's hardly original, and should have been an all new character altogether utilizing the same move-set. Having another Samus is along the same lines as Falco, Doctor Mario, and Pichu.
First person I have ever heard want to move toward more "clones" in the game. Having Zero Suit Samus be something that Samus can turn into is fine for me, depending on how they use it and considering no one knows that there isn't much to complain about at this stage.
Post by: Mario on October 31, 2006, 04:37:07 PM
The 'gameplay' in the first trailer does look pretty crappy, but I forgive it since it's such an early trailer and isn't actually gameplay footage.
Post by: Kairon on October 31, 2006, 04:38:30 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: stevey on October 31, 2006, 04:43:53 PM
There is
2 Days
1 hour
18 minutes
06 seconds
Till nintendo's megaton SSBB/Zelda trailers!
kick ass!
Post by: Edfishy on October 31, 2006, 06:08:39 PM
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First person I have ever heard want to move toward more "clones" in the game. Having Zero Suit Samus be something that Samus can turn into is fine for me, depending on how they use it and considering no one knows that there isn't much to complain about at this stage.
Having Samus become "Zeru Suit" while in-game is acceptable, but if she becomes an all new character, I will be very dissapointed.
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 31, 2006, 06:51:35 PM
Post by: Mario on October 31, 2006, 07:01:36 PM
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Originally posted by: EdfishyQuote
First person I have ever heard want to move toward more "clones" in the game. Having Zero Suit Samus be something that Samus can turn into is fine for me, depending on how they use it and considering no one knows that there isn't much to complain about at this stage.
Having Samus become "Zeru Suit" while in-game is acceptable, but if she becomes an all new character, I will be very dissapointed.
If you don't like her, how would that be better? Being a seperate character would mean you could avoid it altogether, rather than it being part of Samus.
Post by: Arbok on October 31, 2006, 07:15:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Edfishy
Having Samus become "Zeru Suit" while in-game is acceptable, but if she becomes an all new character, I will be very dissapointed.
Wait, what? Now I'm utterly confused on what you are looking for in the character.
Regardless, it's the same character (ala Zelda and Sheik, although how they change is unknown), and I will quote from the Smash Bros site:
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This isn't a pure character addition. Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit.
http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/chara3/index.html
Post by: Edfishy on October 31, 2006, 07:26:27 PM
In any case, the time and effort to put Zero Suit Samus into the game is questionable. I don't know about you, but I like the mysteriousness of Samus staying inside of her suit. Especially when those non-gamers(and Sony fanboys) say in shock, "Samus is a GIRL!?". It's funny.
Post by: Kairon on October 31, 2006, 08:21:12 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 01, 2006, 02:38:30 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 01, 2006, 02:43:26 AM
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Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: Edfishy
Having Samus become "Zeru Suit" while in-game is acceptable, but if she becomes an all new character, I will be very dissapointed.
Wait, what? Now I'm utterly confused on what you are looking for in the character.
Regardless, it's the same character (ala Zelda and Sheik, although how they change is unknown), and I will quote from the Smash Bros site:Quote
This isn't a pure character addition. Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit.
http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/chara3/index.html
Also according to capamerica Zero Suit Samus will "remove" her suit under certain unknown conditions as well.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 01, 2006, 03:06:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-SpangQuote
Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: Edfishy
Having Samus become "Zeru Suit" while in-game is acceptable, but if she becomes an all new character, I will be very dissapointed.
Wait, what? Now I'm utterly confused on what you are looking for in the character.
Regardless, it's the same character (ala Zelda and Sheik, although how they change is unknown), and I will quote from the Smash Bros site:Quote
This isn't a pure character addition. Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit.
http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/chara3/index.html
Also according to capamerica Zero Suit Samus will "remove" her suit under certain unknown conditions as well.
Beat her single player adventure in under 20 minutes? :p
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 03:51:26 PM
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Originally posted by: IGN
With an estimated running time of over three minutes, the new trailer is comprised almost entirely of gameplay. The clips displayed all known characters battling in various environments, including one that resembled Yoshi's Island, and another first clip of Fox in action, battling in a space level. This is the first we've seen of Fox in Brawl, and while he was an expected playable character, it's now confirmed from the trailer.
TIME TO WAIT FOR IT TO BE FOUND AND UPLOADED NOW!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 02, 2006, 03:57:37 PM
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Originally posted by: IGN
With an estimated running time of over three minutes, the new trailer is comprised almost entirely of gameplay. The clips displayed all known characters battling in various environments, including one that resembled Yoshi's Island, and another first clip of Fox in action, battling in a space level. This is the first we've seen of Fox in Brawl, and while he was an expected playable character, it's now confirmed from the trailer.
TIME TO WAIT FOR IT TO BE FOUND AND UPLOADED NOW!
Maybe the official website will update later in the week?
Also, is Fox the only new character shown? If so, that is somewhat disappointing, considering they could've shown 3 more, even if they were already expected to be in the game.
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 03:58:35 PM
I still want to watch this trailer to see how the game is shaping up.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 02, 2006, 04:01:16 PM
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Oh wow, Fox, never saw that one coming.
I still want to watch this trailer to see how the game is shaping up.
Lol that is pretty sad, but like you I want to see the trailer anyway. I guess the reason for Fox being revealed is that they need to save their new characters and spread them out from now until launch when it comes out in 2009 :-P.
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 02, 2006, 04:01:16 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
*FAP*
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 02, 2006, 04:19:23 PM
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*FAP*
OMG THEY CHOSE THE SF COMMAND MODEL...
Not that I hate it or anything, but I know some people simply hated the art style of that game. :p
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 02, 2006, 04:21:32 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 04:26:44 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
OMG THEY CHOSE THE SF COMMAND MODEL...
Not that I hate it or anything, but I know some people simply hated the art style of that game. :p
This is what Fox is...It's the PERFECT model! =D
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 02, 2006, 04:32:38 PM
All the better to kick your ass with my dear.
Post by: Athrun Zala on November 02, 2006, 04:33:50 PM
at least the background looks awesome
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 02, 2006, 04:55:49 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 05:36:35 PM
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From IGN:
"DaPlayaFlow
Date Posted: 8:22pm Subject: New info on trailer!!!!!!!
all the charecters we currently have seen were fighting.The stages I saw were a sort of dustty coleseum.I multy level bunker stage which can go outside into what looks like that stage in the trailer.There was a impressive snow level with snow jumping in the air as the charecter walked.Hmm new moves.Let me post this first.Ask me more to trigger my memory
a charge arrow shot(similier to samus)for Pit.Meta night is kind of similar to kirby(Flying sword slash)He is really quick and has some sort of teleportation attack and what showed in the trailer is really neat.He can go invisible(see his shawdow)and stay like that until hit or touched.Good for getting away
Snake uses hand and feet combat a lot and the animation looks great.I saw alot of cool moves and he is very acrobatic.I saw him dodge marios fire ball by doing a forward backflip and then land on marios knocking him to his face.He seems like the primary character for combos.He deosnt use guns but one thing I noticed him do is the hide(camo) which accaully works well because he just blends back into the scenery nad I didnt even notice him(except his small beard which looks odd in the background but funny)
Well it was another orchestrated piece and it was quite amazing.I really cant explain it but I can say that it wasnt as dark and scary as the first."
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 06:07:37 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 06:11:28 PM
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 06:15:59 PM
There's something in the background that totally makes me think this is a Pit level, just look at that huge statue, it looks like an Athena statue, does it not?
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 06:17:29 PM
(Edit: Looked at former screens, and it doesn't look like it...Unless, of course, they added in the background since E3...)
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 06:24:57 PM
I just made a wikipedia search on Icarus, and while I scavenged through some links, lo and behold I found who that statue in the background is or at least has a high possibility of being: Palutena.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 06:26:48 PM
(Oh, and great find...)
Post by: Strell on November 02, 2006, 06:48:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Ok I've had enough, they better release this game before March 2007.
This is signature worthy quote right here.
Post by: Arbok on November 02, 2006, 07:03:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Ok I've had enough, they better release this game before March 2007.
If it's anything like before, this will be the only one we get this generation so I wouldn't mind at all any delays it might get to improve the content... as I know I will be playing this one, long, long after I am done with most of the other titles on this system (much in the same way that Melee keeps my Gamecube "in shape" even today).
Post by: Kraven on November 02, 2006, 07:22:33 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 07:52:22 PM
Wario from gameplay footage!
Post by: Kraven on November 02, 2006, 07:53:47 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 07:54:19 PM
Post by: Kraven on November 02, 2006, 07:57:31 PM
This is like torture!
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 02, 2006, 08:00:18 PM
Post by: MattVDB on November 02, 2006, 11:16:34 PM
Post by: Neodymium on November 02, 2006, 11:33:10 PM
I'm very impressed with the Wii music as of late. Both SSBB and Zelda have that vibe of excellent music.. I had Majora's Mask flashbacks due to the musical excellence.
Post by: Hocotate on November 02, 2006, 11:51:09 PM
edit-- just watched it and I must say, I'm liking Fox's new fighting stance and overall look.
Post by: Darkheart on November 03, 2006, 12:31:29 AM
Post by: Kairon on November 03, 2006, 12:34:15 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Darkheart on November 03, 2006, 01:22:33 AM
-I don't know how they did it but they made Pikachu more adorbale and cute than Pichu, +1 on his new animation as well his crawling is pretty cool
-They didnt show anything about Link's moves, perhaps because some of his weapons deal with new weapons featured in TP?
-0suitSamus=heavyweight shiek
-Whats that crawling behind Snake. . . .?
-Wario is animated HILARIOUSLY
-Fox is cool but I doubt I'll use him
Level Wise
-Mario Kart world looks AWESOME
-That snow world looks like it could come from many games, theres such a tiny TINY shot of it, that its hard to tell
-That Yoshis Island world might actually be from Yoshi Touch N Go because of the wind effects . . .
- Why are all the levels so basic and 3 tierish ( I know theres a couple that arent but c'mon . . . .)
Other than that when are they going to be showing us a new character again. . . . . Even if the game was delayed til christmas of next year and they showed off a character once a month that wouldnt be nearly enough time D:. I WANT MORE!
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 03, 2006, 01:39:19 AM
Ahahaha, that was Wario crawling backwards...
Other things:
~ I believe that stage that was assumed to be Pit's stage (the one seen at E3) is in fact not, and it's more like a colorful version of Final Destination...
~ ARWING BATTLE!
~ The snow stage looks like it comes from a Yoshi or Mario game (Yoshi's Island or Paper Mario?)
~ Fox keeps his gun out this time around, so I wonder if this was done purely for aesthetic reasons or if his gun plays more into his attacks? =O
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 03, 2006, 02:23:14 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 03, 2006, 02:24:12 AM
(Seriously, the game is probably still a year off...)
Post by: Darkheart on November 03, 2006, 02:28:15 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 03, 2006, 02:32:26 AM
Post by: Shecky on November 03, 2006, 03:02:02 AM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
- Why are all the levels so basic and 3 tierish ( I know theres a couple that arent but c'mon . . . .)
I had a couple of theories.
1) Some of those 3 tierish levels were actually "final destination", which now whips through the other levels in terms of background (and interactions). If you recall final destination in the past would change looks as the match progressed.
2) All or most of the levels have a 3 tier option (play on great fox, or play on the 3 tier level)
3) Normal play of a level will morph, some to this morphing includes ending up in such a stage.
4) Those are the stages and the differences are how they can be affected or interact with the player. For instance, there were practically no ledges left to even stand on in the ruin level and they were broken away (likely to fade back into existence after a short time)
There could be a ton of stages in this game, or maybe a ton of themed stages with multiple subtypes.
Other notes:
- Facial animations weren't finished. Kirby was the only one that seemed to have them.
- Looks like rolling is now a smash attack and you can crawl otherwise.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 03, 2006, 03:03:26 AM
I loved how they showed us the new characters, and also teased us by not showing us everything about them.
One thing I picked up about Zero Suit Samus is her gun does several different things...at least three. So it is a gun, which probably charges up and stuns, a sword, and what else?
I personally am liking the simplier level structure...yet I do not think they will be as simple as they appear.
Take the Mario Kart level. It is like the F-Zero level's start...but the 3 platforms can be destroyed. This makes for some unique strategy.
I was overall pleased with all the levels shown in the game, and I think we will all be pleasantly surprised to play it...and see each levels depth.
As for showing only one new character, it was disappointing, but I can live with it. I would rather get mini-movies slowly revealing new/old characters than to have one trailer that reveals everything. And remember, we still need hidden characters to unlock that are surprises.
Post by: Kraven on November 03, 2006, 03:09:01 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 03, 2006, 03:10:01 AM
- Wario, his moves are soo funny hahaha
- Holy sh!t, that stage with the statues holding the platforms is so aesthetically pleasing
- Snake, his CCQ moves are pretty interesting, I think he's going to be one of my most used characters
- That Pit level with the greek columns and temples looks so beautiful
- Whoa, crumbling platforms? Awesome
- Fox, ok he looks cool
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 03, 2006, 03:10:05 AM
In the Starfox stage, I'm hoping the platform flies over to the Great Fox so you can fight on that as well...
(Don't think it's been mentioned yet, but stages have a Day/Night system to them...)
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 03, 2006, 03:26:03 AM
THEY...SLOWED...IT...DOWN...
Thank...GOD.
Post by: Caliban on November 03, 2006, 03:52:23 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 03, 2006, 04:04:15 AM
Is Fox really that great?
Zero Suit Samus is hot but she didn't do much.
I'm at work so I can't hear sound.
But yes, it is a good trailer, or I guess it's still more like a teaser considering it'll probably be a whole year before we get to play it. I can see it being for a Christmas 2007 release, unfortunately.
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 03, 2006, 04:07:58 AM
EDIT:
Here is a screenshot of what I was talking about.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 03, 2006, 04:09:05 AM
We saw some levels. Saw some characters fight, but no real new moves, no real anything.
It is just to excite us...not give us all the answers.
And Fox is really cool to be confirmed.
Post by: Athrun Zala on November 03, 2006, 04:24:21 AM
Post by: JonLeung on November 03, 2006, 04:29:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
And Fox is really cool to be confirmed.
Well, shouldn't that be expected? I fully expect the original eight Smash Bros. to be non-secret characters in all SSB games, unless a Nintendo character falls from popularity at some time in the future, and even so, it'd have to be quite a fall. That said, while it might be cool, it's certainly not going to be mind-blowing when they will very likely reveal Donkey Kong and Yoshi. The four "secret" characters from the first game are also pretty likely.
Come to think of it, we haven't seen any of (Varia Suit) Samus in this one...WTF.
I'd like for the roster to only increase each time but it's for some reason always brought up that some SSBM characters might not be back, and unless Nintendo churns out some major new IPs it'll probably be harder to double or triple the roster each time.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 03, 2006, 04:34:49 AM
How did I notice that? The colors are pastel and features the same chalk design as the rest of the level.
Post by: couchmonkey on November 03, 2006, 04:46:11 AM
I'm agreeing that this probably won't be available until next Christmas. Nintendo shouldn't have promised it as a launch title in the first place, but since then they've made it obvious that they don't expect it to be ready any time soon. At the very least it hasn't been mentioned as one of the titles for January - April, which seems to be the window for many other games that were already announced. Personally I don't mind, there are tons of other good games on the way and I think delays usually signal good things for Nintendo games.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 03, 2006, 04:46:28 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 03, 2006, 04:54:48 AM
While SSB Melee was great and all there were MANY instances that gave away the fact that the game was rushed in order to meet the GC launch. I think Hal and Nintendo noticed this and decided to take their time and polish it to near perfection.
Also, online plays a BIG role in the game and from the looks of thing they are having trouble perfecting it. I wouldn't be surprised if half of the development is spent working on the online mode, making sure it is fair and balanced.
In fact, this is how I view the 2007 releases:
Winter/Spring: Wario ware/ Metroid Prime 3
Summer/Early fall: Mario Galaxy
Late fall/Early Winter: SSB Brawl
In between: Project H.A.M.M.E.R, Disaster day of crisis, Fire emblem etc.
Post by: Pale on November 03, 2006, 04:57:24 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 03, 2006, 05:00:14 AM
I don't think the Wii will be wanting for software between now and then so I'm not worried.
Post by: capamerica on November 03, 2006, 05:03:22 AM
Samus is looking really sexy!
Speed wise I'm iffy, some of it looks just right while others look to be moving to slow.
I was hoping to see some new characters but maybe what they will be doing is showing them off when they are done. SO maybe they only had Fox done and a few new levels.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 03, 2006, 05:06:43 AM
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Originally posted by: capamericaSpeed wise I'm iffy, some of it looks just right while others look to be moving to slow.
I noticed that as well. Although I don't know if you noticed, the slowest part in the trailer was when Samus was doing a backflip on the Fox stage. I think that level has zero gravity and affects the overall movement.
Although to be honest, I don't have the type of eye to notice the speed of the game, especially with a low res trailer like this one.
Post by: Ceric on November 03, 2006, 05:27:55 AM
Though I think the new style is very pretty its giving everything a realistic edge.
Methinks Zero Suit Samus is selectable.
Post by: mantidor on November 03, 2006, 06:04:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Actually it's Greek-esque.
I just made a wikipedia search on Icarus, and while I scavenged through some links, lo and behold I found who that statue in the background is or at least has a high possibility of being: Palutena.
Why the literal translation? I always thought it was Partena, which sounds actually greek.
Post by: airraid on November 03, 2006, 06:14:43 AM
HD Quicktime
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IGN
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Post by: EasyCure on November 03, 2006, 06:30:55 AM
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Did you freak out when Mario learned how to throw a punch in Super Mario 64?
he 'learned' to punch in Mario RPG technically, in fact he had a mean uppercut in that game.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 03, 2006, 06:31:09 AM
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Although to be honest, I don't have the type of eye to notice the speed of the game, especially with a low res trailer like this one.
Watch the near-last fight scene on the Pit stage. Notice how slowly Snake seems to move through the air?
Post by: Pittbboi on November 03, 2006, 06:57:36 AM
I could understand if there were some TOTALLY AWESOME series of new features so cool it made me jizz myself, but so far it's just looking to be more of the same. Now, that isn't a bad thing, because Smash Bros. is a damn good series, but it's no justification for pushing the game back more than a year.
Either make the delay worth it, or quite jerkin' me around and give me my damn Smash Bros. fix, Nintendo!!
Post by: Arbok on November 03, 2006, 07:04:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Although to be honest, I don't have the type of eye to notice the speed of the game, especially with a low res trailer like this one.
Watch the near-last fight scene on the Pit stage. Notice how slowly Snake seems to move through the air?
Could it be just that some of the new characters aren't as quick as the old? Mario's combo at the start looks to be about on par with the speed in Melee, while Pit looks to be a very quick fighter as well. Pikachu looks like he might be a tad slower, for whatever reason, but it's hard to tell in the trailer. Link looks to be about the same speed, but then he never was all that quick.
Either way, doesn't look like anything major. I love the trailer though, not quite the hype machine that the first was, but I will be watching this one over and over again for sure (love Snake's rocket launcher).
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
I could understand if there were some TOTALLY AWESOME series of new features so cool it made me jizz myself, but so far it's just looking to be more of the same. Now, that isn't a bad thing, because Smash Bros. is a damn good series, but it's no justification for pushing the game back more than a year.
It's a fighting game... these things don't balance and play test themselves. Any extra time they are given to make sure everything is perfect, and to add either more levels or characters, is more than fine with me.
Post by: Pittbboi on November 03, 2006, 07:18:43 AM
I'm sure there's more involved than I know, but I just don't see anything added to this game that's making me go "Oh, THAT'S why they're pushing it back over a year." This game just looks like Melee pt. 2. So if they push it back any farther than March, I might be a little pissed.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 03, 2006, 07:46:00 AM
I do remember in one of the interviews, it was talked about slowing the game down some.
I think this would be a good idea. The game looks fantastic...the best part is how alive all the backgrounds to the levels look. I feel apart of something massive. I also am curious about Yoshi's Island level...it hinted at a huge change occurring in the battle...I dunno what it will be but it seemed cool.
You could also see a deeper combo system already being implemented. Air Combos appeared to be easier and logical...and other combos seemed to be present as well.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 03, 2006, 08:01:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
I, for one, will not be happy if Brawl's pushed back to next Christmas. Not only did they say it would be a launch title, but c'mon, where's the justification? Don't get me wrong, I love Smash Bros. But this series is the poster child of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" motto. Melee was basically Smash Bros. 64 with a slightly upgraded engine, and Brawl is looking to be Melee with a slightly upgraded engine and a few bells and whistles. They've been, pretty much, working with the same engine for the same game for the past three games. Quite frankly, they should have it down to a science by this point, because the game really hasn't changed much.
I could understand if there were some TOTALLY AWESOME series of new features so cool it made me jizz myself, but so far it's just looking to be more of the same. Now, that isn't a bad thing, because Smash Bros. is a damn good series, but it's no justification for pushing the game back more than a year.
Either make the delay worth it, or quite jerkin' me around and give me my damn Smash Bros. fix, Nintendo!!
I'm sure Nintendo wasn't thinking straight when they promised SSB Brawl for launch. I mean, they made the promise AND they hired the director on the same day. I wouldn't be surprised if Hal convinced them that they wouldn't be able to create SSB Brawl for the launch in under a year and they needed the time to polish the game.
Like I mentioned, online will play a role in the game. They already mentioned that they were having difficulty balancing the game and creating it for 4 players. These things take TIME to polish and balance.
Also, the Wii has more than one killer APP in the horizon, meaning that there isn't the urgency of SSB Brawl being released like there was when Melee was first announced. Which means that they have the time to polish this game.
Didn't you notice that Melee seemed rushed? Missing levels, awkward animation, balancing issues. Hal is aiming to make sure that Brawl feels like a complete game and then some.
Remember, Pittboi, a good game is eventually released but a bad game remains a bad game forever.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 03, 2006, 08:10:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Methinks Zero Suit Samus is selectable.
Why would Sakurai lie about something like that?
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 03, 2006, 08:14:39 AM
I understand that you'd like to have it sooner, but I'd rather have it better, and that takes more time. Nintendo has already said that it won't be here till 2007 (I think they maybe said summer at the earliest), so just hunker down and wait. Metroid and Zelda and Excitetruck and Mario Galaxy and Red Steel should maybe keep you busy for a little while.
Post by: Pittbboi on November 03, 2006, 08:22:49 AM
Pap64
I dunno.
On one hand – the more polished the game, the better. And polishing takes time. I can definitely agree with that.
But on the other hand – It’s not like they’re starting with a new engine and coding from the ground up. They’re basically re-using the Melee engine and making it shinier. I fail to see how that takes an extra year of work. Sure, Melee had its issues, but those issues were VERY minor and didn’t stop SSBM from being one of the best—if not THE best—multiplayer games on the Cube. That engine, even with its flaws, got closer to perfect than most games did last gen. I don’t see them needing to do too much to make it better, especially since they’re not really adding much in the way of new features and mechanics.
But, eh, this is just a Nintendo fan whining. I’ll wait if I have to but, damnit, having to wait sucks. Brawl is really the only game I’m excited about. Yeah, I’ll be picking up Zelda come launch, but that’s not special--it’s about f’ing time and EVERYONE will be picking up Zelda at launch. But nothing warms my blood like the promise of a good Smash Bros. game and years of multiplayer goodness.
Post by: Nephilim on November 03, 2006, 08:36:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk TemporoQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
Methinks Zero Suit Samus is selectable.
Why would Sakurai lie about something like that?
When did he say that Zero Samus and normal samus were the same person?
That scene were she unsuits seems to be prerended to myself, so I dont see how it was proof... next thing u will tell me wario will have to drive a motor bike before he farts
Seems alot of myths such as snake not using a weapon were busted, strange how ppl believe everything they hear on gamefaq's
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 03, 2006, 08:45:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
Pap64
I dunno.
On one hand – the more polished the game, the better. And polishing takes time. I can definitely agree with that.
But on the other hand – It’s not like they’re starting with a new engine and coding from the ground up. They’re basically re-using the Melee engine and making it shinier. I fail to see how that takes an extra year of work. Sure, Melee had its issues, but those issues were VERY minor and didn’t stop SSBM from being one of the best—if not THE best—multiplayer games on the Cube. That engine, even with its flaws, got closer to perfect than most games did last gen. I don’t see them needing to do too much to make it better, especially since they’re not really adding much in the way of new features and mechanics.
But, eh, this is just a Nintendo fan whining. I’ll wait if I have to but, damnit, having to wait sucks. Brawl is really the only game I’m excited about. Yeah, I’ll be picking up Zelda come launch, but that’s not special--it’s about f’ing time and EVERYONE will be picking up Zelda at launch. But nothing warms my blood like the promise of a good Smash Bros. game and years of multiplayer goodness.
Dude, they are doing MORE than just using the Melee engine and making it shinier...
1. They have to UPDATE the new characters in order to reflect the change done to the engine
2. They have to select new characters, create movesets and balance them for the gameplay
3. They need to decided which characters go in and which go out
4. They have to create and develop the fighting stages
5. They to work with the ONLINE MODE
6. They need to test it out and see if its balanced and polished
7. They need to record voices and music for the game
8. They need to program how the items are used in the game
Sakurai himself has said that they are working the bugs out of the engine and updating it.
Erase that idea of yours that just because an engine is created it means that the developing will go faster. True, there have been games that have been released rather quickly because the engine is already written, but just because some developers will take the easy way out it doesn't mean that ALL developers do the same.
Developing a game takes a long time. It isn't as easy as we think it is. This is the reality behind SSB Brawl. They want to make it the best SSB game possible and make it shine on the Wii. And we are not making it easier by rushing them. This won't be a Duke Nukem forever situation. The game will NOT disappear because it takes a while to release.
Post by: Darkheart on November 03, 2006, 08:47:11 AM
And they said Snake WILL NOT use GUNS but use EXPLOSIVES, last I checked rocket launchers werent much of a gun . . .
Post by: Pittbboi on November 03, 2006, 09:07:44 AM
I know they're doing more than just making it shinier, I said that in my other post. I'm just skeptical. Like I said, I'll wait if I have to. I dunno, I guess part of me wants to see them include something in the game that's going to make me go, "SWEET! Alright, take 1, hell, 2 years if you have to!" but so far it just looks like Melee pt. 2. Which, again, is fine. I'm just not going to go nuts because there's online, because frankly, they're late.
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 03, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: vudu on November 03, 2006, 09:53:34 AM
QuoteTechnically, 'selecting Zero Suit Samus from the menu' could count as a certain curcumstance.
Originally posted by: darkheart
Deadly he mentioned that under certain circumstances she would lose her suit its on his site check it out, of course things may have changed.
QuoteYea! Paladin's back. (For about ten minutes.)
Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
So how about that trailer. I personally think it looks nice.
Post by: Requiem on November 03, 2006, 09:58:33 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 03, 2006, 10:03:19 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 03, 2006, 10:16:48 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on November 03, 2006, 10:48:01 AM
QuoteThanks. Who are you?
Originally posted by: vudu
Yea! Paladin's back. (For about ten minutes.)
Just kidding, ssup vudu.
I'm wondering about the two different Greek/Roman stages shown. Clearly the Athena statue one with the crumbling platforms is Pit's. Whose is the other one with the Atlas statue though?
Zero Suit Samus is my new favorite fighter.
Right now I'm wondering if the cyborg from Project HAMMER will be a playable character. Would be a great way to introduce him; also, the Atlas stage makes me think of that game for some reason. Something about the mood and lighting.
Post by: IceCold on November 03, 2006, 10:59:30 AM
Post by: vudu on November 03, 2006, 11:05:51 AM
QuoteI heard a rumor that the Prince of Persia will be a hidden character in Brawl; he's going to have lots of spoken dialog throughout the match and there won't be any subtitles.
Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Thanks. Who are you?
Post by: Strell on November 03, 2006, 11:31:19 AM
You can't call SSBM rushed and then expect Brawl to be finished quickly. I understand it was to be a launch title, but frankly, Zelda is a big enough game to hold me over for a while. And I'm thinking the level of multiplayer capability inherent in some games will be distraction as well. As much as I'd love to thrown down online on day one in my one of my favorite game series ever, I can afford to wait a while.
As for the trailer, the animation was pretty terrible. I hope that's an after-effect of it being an online movie, since those hardly ever give a 100% indication of seeing something first hand. Wario looks amazingly funny but there were whole animation sequences missing.
The only reason I bring this up is because the animation in SSBM was amazing. Go put it in half speed practice mode. All the characters have an insane amount of animation frames, including facial animations and different reactions to a lot of things.
This is the heart of what makes SSBM so great - virtually anything can happen in a battle, but it all makes sense. It's not like other fighting games where when a specific move is done, certain frames HAVE to play out. SSBM wrecks that by making it so volatile. You'll be in an attack and something flies out of nowhere and knocks you out, but it all makes total sense.
I like Fox's stance as well. Makes much more sense fighting wise - his old one looks strangle archaic as of 5 minutes ago (when I watched this).
As for the speed, don't slow it down too much. Some of us liked the game that fast. I don't want every last person wave dashing in the new one (assuming that will remain) because enough people complained about how they couldn't handle it.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 03, 2006, 12:01:41 PM
At it also helps his animations look more humourous...for some reason.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 03, 2006, 12:53:16 PM
Post by: Arbok on November 03, 2006, 04:17:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
Super Smash Brothers, the best multiplayer game ever conceived, is never over-rated, ONLY UNDER-RATED.
Preech it!
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Originally posted by: Strell
As for the speed, don't slow it down too much. Some of us liked the game that fast.
Seconded. I wouldn't mind the game being a little slower than Melee, but had no problem whats so ever with the fast pace of that game.
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I think people point out Wario as being animated poorly. But they are trying to achieve something odd with him. He isn't supposed to be smoothly animated...they wanted him to look un-natural and odd, and I think they did a great job of that.
It's quite possible, after all the animation on Samus and Snake looked amazing in the trailer in contrast, along with the returning characters.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 03, 2006, 05:00:40 PM
Post by: Shecky on November 03, 2006, 05:59:18 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I am not kidding when I say that I owe the best friendships in my lifetime to Smash Brothers...That's why it gets my extreme respects.
Awww, smash_brother I didn't know you had it in you... what a pal!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on November 04, 2006, 07:10:43 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
I am not kidding when I say that I owe the best friendships in my lifetime to Smash Brothers...That's why it gets my extreme respects.
Awww, smash_brother I didn't know you had it in you... what a pal!
Hehe :p .
What I meant to say was this.
Back in the day when SSB Melee was announced, I became a regular on the IGN SSB forums. In there I met a lot of regulars and great friends, and not so great friends. One of them was the moderator of the forum. He was a smart guy and all, but I HATED how he trashed Melee. It got to the point where I bashed the hell out of him in other forums and chat rooms. When IGN turned the boards Insider only, we were left without a forum to crash at. A friend recommended me an up and coming website. Turns out that the guy I hated deeply was a mod there. But as time went on, I got to know him and grew to understand his issues with the game. We then kept talking until we finally saw each other eye to eye and became good internet friends. Then in 2004 we finally met each other in real life, I met his family and met his other friends (which were also admins and mods of the website). 2 years later and we are the closest of friend. He has helped me with my own issues and I have helped him with his. His other friends also became dear friends of mine.
And AAAAAAALLL of this happened because we shared the same love toward SSB and the discussion of it brought us together.
But now I am SEVERELY derailing the thread... :p
Post by: TEM on November 04, 2006, 09:39:02 AM
I say "almost perfectly" because I think Kirby is a tad on the weak side. His moves should be either more powerful or he should move faster with less recover time after moves. He's definitely not my main man, so it's possible that I'm not using him correctly. I understand he was TOO powerful in SBB so they watered him down in SSBM. I hope they finally balance out the Kirby formula in SSBB.
And lastly, is it just me or is that Fox stage at the end of the video awesome?
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 04, 2006, 10:13:34 AM
As for SSBM, I'm not going to reopen that can of worms.
I'll just say that I dearly hope SSBB does in fact go online, at least for 1v1 matches.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 04, 2006, 10:15:30 AM
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Originally posted by: DeadlyD
When did he say that Zero Samus and normal samus were the same person?
http://www.smashbros.com/en/characters/chara3/index.html
"This isn't a pure character addition. Rather, under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit."
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Seems alot of myths such as snake not using a weapon were busted, strange how ppl believe everything they hear on gamefaq's
SAKURAI also said that Snake wouldn't use GUNS. A rocket launcher is not a gun. Please do research before trying to act all high-and-mighty.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 04, 2006, 10:18:43 AM
Link uses bombs, shoots arrows and Fox/Falco both have guns, just ray/laser guns, not the lead-projectile type.
He also said "knives" wouldn't be alright because they're too much of a realistic weapon whereas swords and the like are more fantasy weapons and thus are alright (though, owning a sword is rather easy in this day and age...).
Post by: IceCold on November 04, 2006, 10:48:26 AM
QuoteBelieve me, if a year didn't make much of a difference, Nintendo would release it as soon as possible.. Melee was the number one selling game on the GameCube. I don't mind waiting at all until next holiday; there are just so many good games coming out until then.
Originally posted by: Pittbboi
pap64:
I know they're doing more than just making it shinier, I said that in my other post. I'm just skeptical. Like I said, I'll wait if I have to. I dunno, I guess part of me wants to see them include something in the game that's going to make me go, "SWEET! Alright, take 1, hell, 2 years if you have to!" but so far it just looks like Melee pt. 2. Which, again, is fine. I'm just not going to go nuts because there's online, because frankly, they're late.
Post by: Athrun Zala on November 04, 2006, 12:35:11 PM
QuoteI heard that would be called "Boring Speech of Deatch" along his other attack "Badly-looped Ear-bleeding Crappy Metal Song.... of Death"
Originally posted by: vuduQuoteI heard a rumor that the Prince of Persia will be a hidden character in Brawl; he's going to have lots of spoken dialog throughout the match and there won't be any subtitles.
Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Thanks. Who are you?
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 04, 2006, 12:40:48 PM
I'd rather see Rayman or Jayde as a hidden character, but I HIGHLY suspect Rayman.
Post by: Requiem on November 04, 2006, 01:17:14 PM
Collision.
Melee brought about the first player to player collision (e.g., throwing a player at another player). Why not broaden that aspect of the game for all situations? For instance, if I smash attacked an enemy and he flies towards another foe, a collision will occur causing the other foe to take damage or dodge.
I don't know about you all, but sometimes I play vs. two level nine computers from time to time and one of the most useful tricks I have is to toss one player into the either. It adds a strategic element to the mix.
I think it could also add another layer of "realism." Real as in real physics..
Post by: IceCold on November 04, 2006, 07:16:00 PM
QuoteNot to mention Samus will only be playable if you go online..
I heard a rumor that the Prince of Persia will be a hidden character in Brawl; he's going to have lots of spoken dialog throughout the match and there won't be any subtitles
Post by: zakkiel on November 05, 2006, 12:15:26 PM
QuotePerhaps you mean Persian? The British accent is probably unconsciously based on the fact that many Middle Eastern elites were educated at Oxford in the last century, and thus had British accents. If you think about it, it makes no less sense than him speaking English at all.
And one of those attacks has to be "WTF I sound british but I'm arabic".
QuoteI'd pay more attention to the second sentence, if it weren't for the first. Check out the tournament scene, then tell me how balanced the characters are.
The characters are all almost perfectly balanced, the physics and gameplay is awesome, and the speed is perfect. If a player thinks the game is too fast, I think he/she needs to practice.
Why does every A attack appear to do stunning electrical damage? Is it just somewhat different visual effect?
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 05, 2006, 01:07:41 PM
But I'd like to see how well those Marth players would do playing on Big Blue when their opponet has a Beam Saber, now things are looking more balanced.
Post by: Ceric on November 05, 2006, 01:32:51 PM
Post by: zakkiel on November 05, 2006, 02:23:21 PM
QuoteThis is why you can't appeal to items to solve your problem. They level the playing field simply by obscuring fighter characteristics. For stages, yes, of course different stages will play up different characters. But there is no stage where an expert Ness beats an expert Falco. And even supposing there were, what the hell would it mean to say characters were balanced? That there existed a set of levels such that all characters' average performance against each other character on each level was equal? Does it even make sense to define character power in terms of levels? Myself, I think if this is what we have to resort to, we might as well just say that the concept of balance just doesn't apply rather than claiming the game is balanced.
But I'd like to see how well those Marth players would do playing on Final Destination when their opponet has a Hammer, a star, and a mushroom. Now things are looking more balanced.
QuoteWhat fun that would be! And this thread is being so productive and topical!
For the love of Mike. Just go read the older Smash Brother Threads and umpteenth other ones from the time if you have balancing issues.
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 05, 2006, 05:48:16 PM
Yeah... I don't think so. Items OFF, no questions asked.
Post by: Shecky on November 05, 2006, 06:57:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
One thing I picked up about Zero Suit Samus is her gun does several different things...at least three. So it is a gun, which probably charges up and stuns, a sword, and what else?
Looks to only be two to me. Just switching back and forth between the two modes.
Post by: Kairon on November 05, 2006, 07:57:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
"The Smash Bros tournaments are very flawed in how they're done. Smash Bros is ment to be played with the items ON and on all the different stages."
Yeah... I don't think so. Items OFF, no questions asked.
Tournaments?
... they can be done either way, as long as they are consistent and agreed to before hand. As long as stages are completely random and the items are either all on or all off, then it's consistent and I can live with it.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 05, 2006, 08:40:55 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 06, 2006, 01:03:37 AM
Post by: Hocotate on November 06, 2006, 01:37:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I think people point out Wario as being animated poorly. But they are trying to achieve something odd with him. He isn't supposed to be smoothly animated...they wanted him to look un-natural and odd, and I think they did a great job of that.
At it also helps his animations look more humourous...for some reason.
I agree completely. When I saw Wario, the first thing that came to mind was Warioware and the "missing frames" just really match with the art style of Warioware.
As for the release date, Ninty can take as long as they want. The more balanced the game is, the better.
Post by: Mario on November 06, 2006, 02:43:19 AM
Post by: Kairon on November 06, 2006, 09:42:56 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 06, 2006, 10:30:15 AM
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Originally posted by: zakkiel Perhaps you mean Persian? The British accent is probably unconsciously based on the fact that many Middle Eastern elites were educated at Oxford in the last century, and thus had British accents. If you think about it, it makes no less sense than him speaking English at all.
Good call on the Persian bit, but I expect it was an English accent because Ubi is a Europe-based company.
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I'd pay more attention to the second sentence, if it weren't for the first. Check out the tournament scene, then tell me how balanced the characters are.
Indeed. I was unaware I had an ally in this argument...
Look at the quote in my signature and you'll understand why I was so happy when I found it. I know perfect balance is nigh-impossible to achieve, but I'd be happy if SSBB is a game where even the characters considered top tier can still be beaten by a bottom tier character who has enough skill to overcome them. Right now, if the best Bowser player in the world fought the best Fox player in the world (and we know who that is, Ken, who is the one solely responsible for putting Marth in the top tier), the result would be a 0-5 game with Fox likely not receiving over 50% damage.
And I don't want to hear that "It doesn't matter in regular play what happens in tournaments! LOL!" bullsh*t. I am a better Fox player untrained than I am a Bowser player who I consider my MAIN. Why? Because Fox is FASTER than my opponents' reflexes.
And if you STILL think it doesn't matter, let's not forget that SSBB will be experienced ONLINE, and in the interest of every match not consisting of the same 3-5 characters, we NEED this game to be balanced.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo released updates which fine-tuned the game post release. They made a change to the SSBM releases where version 1.0 and version 1.1 made a change to Bowser's fire breath so they could likewise choose to do something along these lines for SSBB over Wii24.
Post by: zakkiel on November 06, 2006, 06:47:50 PM
QuoteThe game was meant to be played in the way that is fun. I personally can't stand playing without items; I think there is a whole dimension to player skill associated with dominating the level and the incredible rapid-fire chessgame when both characters approach a key item, and each tries to work out how to go for it without getting smacked and losing the shot. There's an incredible richness that they bring to the game. But I would never claim you can use them to balance the game. True, some characters gain more advantages from certain items than others - but this is almost entirely characters already in the top tier or close to it. Insofar as items balance the game, it's because they introduce a randomness that, while it may not override player skill, does obscure character power.
When you play without items for the longest time, and then one day put them back in, you all of a sudden realize that ITEMS WERE MEANT TO BE PART OF SMASH BROS.
