Post by: MaryJane on October 23, 2006, 03:28:49 PM
This has the potential to destroy the uniqueness of the Wii. Sony and Microsoft wouldn't even have to develop their own controllers with this, MS could just buy them out and put it on the 360 following the potential of the Wii's success.
This is probably the worst news I have ever heard concerning the Wii.
Maybe it'll be nothing but its potentially catastrophic.
Post by: Arbok on October 23, 2006, 03:37:11 PM
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This has the potential to destroy the uniqueness of the Wii.
Unlikely. How many developers have been known to support third party controllers? ...exactly.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 23, 2006, 03:42:20 PM
1. Like Arbok said, not many developers will support a 3rd party controller
2. It still is unproven
3. There are no games being built around it unlike Wii
4. I get the impression it is not wireless (the wireless controller of those seems to use basic accelometers)
5. It could be overly expensive
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 23, 2006, 04:13:12 PM
So since we have that down heres is the main comparison.
Wii remote ($40) + expansion peripherals (if needed) (~$20)
Fusion ( im going out on a limb on prices)
Controller (40 - 60)
sports controller (35 - 60)
Game that works with the controller (40 - 50)
So the main rough difference is that the Wii-remote is a center piece of a console (like all standard controllers for a console) so there will be more focus with development arround the controller while with these Fusion controllers it seems that it will just be used for one game or only one type of game and whats worse is that these controllers look like to have little to no expandability to them so this means you will need to buy seperate controllers for one type of game which is unacceptable.
Post by: Edfishy on October 23, 2006, 04:31:09 PM
Not to mention the issues of packaging the controller with the game or making sure people actually spend the time and the money to find the controller and buy it seperately.
On the other hand, Nintendo's controller is the primary focus of the Wii, so those who develop for the Wii can gaurantee everyone will have one and use it.
I don't know about the '360, but I can bet you that the PS3 will support the device if only for Sony to be able to say, "Wii can do anything you can do better".
Post by: Epitaph on October 23, 2006, 05:02:30 PM
Post by: Strell on October 23, 2006, 05:39:36 PM
I think the thing that bothers me the most about this is that Nintendo specifically said "We will take the steps to ensure our technology is not copied and get copyrights," or something to that effect.
Well what the hell good is that for if someone just does it a different way?
I don't think they have a lot to worry about at the present, but this could easily spell disaster if devs realize it's profitable to aim at other consoles (assuming dev time can be kept at a minimum, which is something that would have to be investigated).
Don't get all arrogant now, Nintendo.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 23, 2006, 05:43:35 PM
Will they roll over and explode?
Post by: vudu on October 23, 2006, 05:57:38 PM
The Wii is doomed. D00M3D!
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 23, 2006, 06:01:50 PM
Wii sports is going to be awesome =D
Post by: JonLeung on October 23, 2006, 06:07:21 PM
The problem with them is that they're too specific. And has been mentioned, third-party devices aren't ever supported well. You need something like the Wii Remote that can handle all kinds of games.
I want to see someone accidentally put that bowling ball through their widescreen TV. Okay, that's mean. But it'll probably happen, if they do end up making these.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 23, 2006, 08:24:48 PM
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Well if it works and works well, I'd expect Sony and or MS to latch it up pretty quick.
I think the thing that bothers me the most about this is that Nintendo specifically said "We will take the steps to ensure our technology is not copied and get copyrights," or something to that effect.
Well what the hell good is that for if someone just does it a different way?
I don't think they have a lot to worry about at the present, but this could easily spell disaster if devs realize it's profitable to aim at other consoles (assuming dev time can be kept at a minimum, which is something that would have to be investigated).
Don't get all arrogant now, Nintendo.
Welcome to the real world of Business, even if you try your best to protect something there will be others who will figure out a way around what you developed and patented.
Post by: Mikintosh on October 23, 2006, 09:59:57 PM
It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility, but I can't think of a time where a 3rd party peripheral's made any impact in how the 1st party makes it systems and games.
Post by: TrueNerd on October 23, 2006, 10:11:39 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 23, 2006, 11:32:49 PM
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Prediction: In a month, this thread and this controller will be buried in a desert, never to be seen again.
You may easily be right, but I think it would be wise for Nintendo to consider utilizing this technology for its next console in 4 or 5 years. So it doesn't hurt to recognize this is out there and it does have some potential.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 24, 2006, 06:39:54 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 24, 2006, 06:51:16 AM
How well did THAT peripheral do? Considering it was a 3rd party product and no one backed it, horribly.
These things are huge and clunky, which completely defeats the purpose of having a single remote-sized controller be your gaming interface. Their size and awkwardness alone will keep most people from buying them and I'm sure the pricetag will prevent the rest.
Nerd is right. These controllers will be long forgotten in no time.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 24, 2006, 07:12:30 AM
Here's why this controller doesn't matter:
1. huge-arse sound emitter the size of a couple of toasters is a pain
2. these controllers are a third party peripheral, Wiimote is part of the basis of an entire console - this is emphasized by the fact that these controllers are shaped like sports equipment rather than using a generalized controller design
3. Wii is more than just the controller: it's also about pricing, size and efficiency, WiiConnect 24, the virtual console, and the Wii Channel OS
Unless one of the other consoles openly adopts this technology before Wii has a chance to become really popular, it just doesn't matter.
Post by: Rhoq on October 24, 2006, 07:13:45 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
It was either Pelican or Madcats who released a controller with identical functionality to the sixaxis PS3 controller as a peripheral for the PS1. It actually worked with Warhawk 1 (WH3 was shown at E3 using the controller).
How well did THAT peripheral do? Considering it was a 3rd party product and no one backed it, horribly.
These things are huge and clunky, which completely defeats the purpose of having a single remote-sized controller be your gaming interface. Their size and awkwardness alone will keep most people from buying them and I'm sure the pricetag will prevent the rest.
Nerd is right. These controllers will be long forgotten in no time.
While I don't think the "Fusion" controller will have much of an impact - I wouldn't dismiss it's status as a 3rd party accessory, either. If the Wii is a success, that alone would give Microsoft and Sony both a reason to embrace and support it. A 3rd party solution would be cheaper than years of their own internal R&D.
Post by: MaryJane on October 24, 2006, 07:46:05 AM
Maybe I was just being paranoid, I'm thinking a little more clearly since I posted the original topic, but I still say it's not cool for Nintendo, this takes away(if MS or Sony picks it up) Nintendo's whole "we're not competing with the other guys" thing.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 24, 2006, 08:25:43 AM
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Post by: couchmonkey on October 24, 2006, 08:33:46 AM
If current users don't go for it, then Nintendo is suddenly the company with the head start - over a year spent developing games and planning marketing around motion control. If Sony or MS acted really fast and brought something like this to the market in March (along with the games necessary to sell it!), Nintendo's lineup would already include 40-50 games that use the controller and Nintendo would probably have over 5 million users.
Besides that, Wii is cheaper, quieter and smaller than the other consoles, and it offers some nifty online features in it's operating system. Those may not seem like big points to hardcore gamers, but they may be big plusses to the new consumers Nintendo is targeting.
Post by: vudu on October 24, 2006, 09:24:02 AM
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Maybe I was just being paranoid, I'm thinking a little more clearly since I posted the original topic
Gee, I wonder why you were paranoid?
Post by: MaryJane on October 24, 2006, 11:08:37 AM
It would be least practical for sony to pick this up as they said Nintendo's way of motion sensing wasn't what consumers wanted at E3, saying that their controller used the traditional two handed style everyone is used to without the need for the external sensor bar. Then again Sony makes deals with the devil all the time so they could do this too.
The worst part about all of this I think is that the success or failure of the Fusion or it being picked up by another company(*more on this later*) depends largely on the success or unlikely failure of the Wii.
*Whose to say some other company won't decide to jump into the console market, which could also be a result of the success of the Wii, you know hey if the Wii was successful because of the motion control, what if Hewlitt-Packard decides to buy the Fusion or just it's technology and use it to make a console of thei own. Now if the PS3 is also successful at it's ridiculous price and long list of unneccessary features, what if HP decided to make a console more powerful than the PS3, with motion control and release it in 3 years, even 4 years would likely be profitable, as that is most like when the 720 would come out. They could get a leap on the competition and have what even I would have to consider as a "best of both worlds" product, of course you and I know the software is more important than the hardware, but that's not what the general public knows. If you were to ask all the press people who are praising the Wii what games they're going to buy at launch I can almost guarantee they wouldn't be able to name more than 3 games, and one would likely be a launch window game, not an actual launch game. All the press is excited about is the console itself not the software, they see they software as an extension of the hardware, I see it as the soul of the hardware, each game is a new personality.
Anyway, I'm done ranting for now.
Post by: Strell on October 24, 2006, 01:00:41 PM
Sega already died, and despite how stupid they are, even they know how bad of an idea that would be at this point.
A fourth party wouldn't get the developer support and also cannot offer anything the big three already can, will, and do. MS has your PC integration and XBL, Nintendo has their interface and proven first parties and portable market, and Sony has their own media capabilities and exclusives.
Hell, three consoles is almost too much. Almost.
I'm going to assume no one can adequately offer what the Wii can do, third party peripheral or not. We'll see what happens down the line.
Post by: MaryJane on October 24, 2006, 02:03:51 PM
this is like the armageddon scenario.
hopefully reality will be much less severe.
Post by: Edfishy on October 24, 2006, 03:53:17 PM
In the end, the underpowered Wii would still have developers who are a bit more supportive of mastering the gesture system and focusing on fun simple gameplay in their games.
In any case, if the Wii becomes a success, the technology will be as common as the analog stick. Or as the saying goes, "if the shirt fits, wear it.".
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 24, 2006, 04:06:21 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on October 24, 2006, 04:30:51 PM
For this to take off the Wii would already have to be a big hit. Can the average person tell you the name of the ipods competitors? Exactly. Besides everything is in the concept stages with computer generated models, this is a looong way off.
Post by: MaryJane on October 24, 2006, 05:47:16 PM
They would probably want to do something more well designed than the Fusion and more akin to the Wii this is actually a very well done presentation of everything Wii from IGN.
It also says it will have a section for software up on the 31st. I wonder if this is when NOA will F**KING FINALLY release the full launch list for the U.S with V.C games as well.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 25, 2006, 08:25:23 AM
1. T-Bone has better graphics, oh no!
But if Wii is already such a big success that someone is releasing a whole new system to imitate it, then we know for a fact that better graphics aren't much of a selling point since PS3 and 360 had noticeably better graphics all along! T-bone would also have to cost more than Wii, and again, its game lineup would be pitiful by comparison - T-bone is to Wii as 3DO was to SNES and Genesis
2. T-Bone has better motion capture, oh no!
I notice that the Fusion thingies try to boast superior motion capture abilites - they'll work without a direct line of sight, and under any lighting conditions. However, videos show that they have just as much lag as Wii (if not more) and they probably have other issues we don't know about. Instead of light interference, maybe you need to worry about sound interference. At any rate, T-Bone would need to feature much better motion capture than Wii before it would really matter, because consumers are still looking at T-Bone's 10-20 game launch lineup and wondering why they should buy that instead of Wii.
3. T-Bone has a better Virtual Console...oh wait, no it doesn't. Nobody will ever have a better virtual console, at least not for the forseeable future, because Nintendo has the best game lineup of any developer in the past 20-odd years, and it has secured the support of many other key developers.
Basically Sony and Microsoft are out there now trying to convince us not to invest in Wii, and they're going to use this development to try and scare you, but we shouldn't be scared. Right now the scare tactic is, "A Wii killer is right around the corner - look at these!" A Wii killer is not impossible, but it needs to come to market by next Christmas if it wants to be effective, and I think Sony and Microsoft are still too busy fighting each other to bother. A surprise contendor is possible, but not probable. Nobody but Microsoft has made a serious attempt at entering the industry since Neo Geo pocket and Wonderswan died.
/end FANBOY.
