Post by: Zach on October 22, 2006, 01:18:11 PM
Edit: We could've figured that one out without IGN, now couldn't we?
Post by: IceCold on October 22, 2006, 01:21:53 PM
EDIT: That was the IGN Editors one, this is the Readers' Choice one - I think OoT was on top last year too.
Post by: Artimus on October 22, 2006, 03:56:14 PM
What is REALLY impressive, though, is that ALL of the top 5 are on Nintendo systems, 3 of them made by Nintendo. And a full 7 of the top 10 and half the top 30 are Nintendo games.
Post by: mantidor on October 22, 2006, 04:21:27 PM
On the other hand, a top 10 without FF is ok in my book.
Post by: jasonditz on October 22, 2006, 04:25:32 PM
I don't think OOT would be in my personal top 10 of all time... I know I'm in the minority here, but I preferred Majora's Mask with all its side quests.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 22, 2006, 04:30:28 PM
Post by: wandering on October 22, 2006, 04:47:29 PM
There are some questionable choices...but Ocarina of Time being the greatest videogame of all time is inarguable. The fact that it continues to top these kind of lists means that maybe there is some hope for humanity, after all.
Post by: King of Twitch on October 22, 2006, 05:29:40 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 22, 2006, 05:48:27 PM
Post by: Artimus on October 22, 2006, 06:14:21 PM
Post by: jasonditz on October 22, 2006, 08:05:52 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
There are some questionable choices...but Ocarina of Time being the greatest videogame of all time is inarguable.
It's hugely arguable... with games like LoZ: MM, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, and Perfect Dark out there, it's arguable whether it was even the best game on it's own particular platform.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 22, 2006, 08:33:03 PM
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Originally posted by: jasonditzQuote
Originally posted by: wandering
There are some questionable choices...but Ocarina of Time being the greatest videogame of all time is inarguable.
It's hugely arguable... with games like LoZ: MM, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, and Perfect Dark out there, it's arguable whether it was even the best game on it's own particular platform.
It gets no argument with me, especially when compared to with Majora's Mask
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Post by: wandering on October 22, 2006, 11:32:13 PM
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Originally posted by: jasonditzQuote
Originally posted by: wandering
There are some questionable choices...but Ocarina of Time being the greatest videogame of all time is inarguable.
It's hugely arguable... with games like LoZ: MM, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, and Perfect Dark out there, it's arguable whether it was even the best game on it's own particular platform.
Perfect Dark? Mario Kart 64? Pfft.
Mario 64 and Majora's Mask at least are in the same ballpark. I'd allow an argument between a person who thought Mario 64 was the second greatest game of all time, and a person who thought Majora's Mask was.
...Though that wouldn't really an argument I'd like to participate in. I can compare the best entry in one particular series to the best entry of another particular series....so, I'd be comfortable in saying, for example, that Ocarina of Time (the greatest Zelda game) is better than Mario 64 (the greatest Mario game.) But comparing, like, SMB2 to the Adventure of Link? How can you really say which one sucks worse?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 23, 2006, 12:05:11 AM
*= Expecting the user to know something is pushable is a Zelda staple, I didn't realize otherwise unmovable blocks are occassionally pushablie in the 2d Zeldas (namely Link's Awakening) until I finally looked into a walkthrough, too.
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 23, 2006, 02:48:38 AM
If they really wanted to make a top 100 list they wouldn't group all games into 1 lumped category. Each game fits a particular category and could be ranked against other games in that category (Ex: RPG vs. other RPGs), and even that still isn't efficient enough to really showcase all of the great games that have come out over time.
Post by: Artimus on October 23, 2006, 03:34:30 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 23, 2006, 04:32:04 AM
This list is interesting, but it is also more of a popularity test.
When Next Generation Magizine was still around they did a top 100 story that was really interesting. They explained reasons for games being on the list and they treated series as a single game as not to over populate the list with 3 Mario games. I wish I still have that article because it was a brilliant read.
In that one Tetris was the greatest game, followed by Super Mario 64...and I would agree completely with that.
Post by: Mario on October 23, 2006, 05:24:07 AM
This is like declaring something the best sport of all time.
Post by: JonLeung on October 23, 2006, 06:11:11 AM
I've seen The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time, The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario 64, and Super Metroid at the top of several lists that I can recall. Zelda games always crowd up the lists too, mostly deservably (I think Majora's Mask should usually be higher than it usually is, though).
On a related note, I hear Famitsu's only given perfect scores to five games, including Ocarina Of Time, Wind Waker, and the various Nintendogs games together. Sure, there's Soul Calibur (DC) and Vagrant Story (PSX) but Nintendo being the developer and the maker of the hardware that the game is on for three out of five is pretty good.
It really makes me wonder why there are Nintendo haters at all.
*high-fives all the Nintendo fans*
Post by: Artimus on October 23, 2006, 07:57:04 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 23, 2006, 08:16:27 AM
Post by: JonLeung on October 23, 2006, 08:29:37 AM
So I still don't understand why there are Nintendo haters. Nintendo's games might not be everyone's cup of tea, I suppose, but that's not a reason to HATE them.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 23, 2006, 08:33:29 AM
get over it.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 23, 2006, 09:52:47 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 23, 2006, 10:33:50 AM
Ocarina of Time is one of the best games ever though. I personally prefer Link's Awakening DX and Super Mario RPG but if I was stuck on an island with only one game to play Ocarina of Time wouldn't be a bad choice.
Post by: Requiem on October 23, 2006, 03:14:22 PM
As for OOT being the best game of all time. F*&# that sh!t too. Mario will always top that spot. No other game is so highly loved by everyone you talk to. OOT has a few people here and there that didn't like it as much as most people do, but Mario...especially the ORIGINAL Mario has never had a single complaint. A legion of fans were formed off of this one game.
Hell, I can still waste a night playing through all the levels again.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 23, 2006, 10:17:53 PM
It seems to win the general consensus.
...Of course this will all change when Zelda:TP comes out
Post by: JonLeung on October 24, 2006, 05:00:20 AM
But yeah, Nintendo's said that Twilight Princess will be better than Ocarina Of Time a few times already. Ocarina Of Time may not be my favourite game (I think I like A Link To The Past better) but it'll certainly be a feat that I welcome its attempt, and if it gets as much recognition as Ocarina Of Time or more... o_0
Again, Nintendo-haters are dumb.
Post by: IceCold on October 24, 2006, 04:04:07 PM
QuoteThis is 100% true. The original Super Mario Bros is the only game that I have ever been entranced by - I have yet to get the feeling I did while playing it in any other game since. That game started it all, and will probably never be dethroned as my favourite game. Mario 64 came close to evoking the same emotion, but even that game couldn't..
especially the ORIGINAL Mario has never had a single complaint. A legion of fans were formed off of this one game.
In fact, all the Mario games (save SMB2) are among my top 10. Super Mario Bros 3, Super Mario World and Super Mario 64 are just amazing, and every one of them is better than Ocarina of Time. Though OoT is my favourite Zelda ever, followed by A Link to the Past..
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 24, 2006, 04:10:03 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Or so we hope...but sales may be divided between GameCube and Wii versions. They may have to count their sales together, despite being on different consoles. Most of the time people seem to count combined sales for each generation of Pokémon and the various versions of Nintendogs, but at least those are on the same system... EDIT: I wonder if anyone combines sales of Pokémon: Mystery Dungeon?
But yeah, Nintendo's said that Twilight Princess will be better than Ocarina Of Time a few times already. Ocarina Of Time may not be my favourite game (I think I like A Link To The Past better) but it'll certainly be a feat that I welcome its attempt, and if it gets as much recognition as Ocarina Of Time or more... o_0
Again, Nintendo-haters are dumb.
Jon is a smart man, his favorite Zelda game is Link to the Past which is my 2nd favorite game of all time behind SMB3
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Post by: IceCold on October 24, 2006, 04:12:15 PM
QuotePssh.. how old were you when Mario was in his 2D prime?
Originally posted by: wandering
Though that wouldn't really an argument I'd like to participate in. I can compare the best entry in one particular series to the best entry of another particular series....so, I'd be comfortable in saying, for example, that Ocarina of Time (the greatest Zelda game) is better than Mario 64 (the greatest Mario game.)
* No one reads the Reder Reviews
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 24, 2006, 04:17:02 PM
The rest of my list isn't really in any order, but it goes something like this:
- Ocarina of Time
- Super Mario Brothers
- Link's Awakening
- Super Metroid
- Metroid Prime
- Super Smash Brothers Melee
- Mario Kart 64 (or super circuit, can't decide)
- other stuff, mostly if not all nintendo
Post by: Smoke39 on October 24, 2006, 07:18:13 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on October 24, 2006, 07:23:23 PM
Quotemainly because they're essentially the same game, released on the same system
Originally posted by: JonLeung
Most of the time people seem to count combined sales for each generation of Pokémon and the various versions of Nintendogs, but at least those are on the same system...
Post by: JonLeung on October 25, 2006, 04:46:21 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Heh, I think he loves that game as well - as he so aptly put it once, everything remotely associated with Super Mario Bros 3 deserves an automatic perfect score*
Wait, who said that?
Wouldn't surprise anyone that the first maps on VGMaps.com were my Link To The Past's Light World maps and the first "Atlas Project" was Super Mario Bros. 3.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 25, 2006, 08:21:31 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2006, 08:57:48 AM
Personally the best 2D platformer or really any platformer game ever created is:
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island It is brilliant and is only close to being beat by Mario World. Super Mario Brothers 3 is good, but the levels are too short and although varied often times do not feel complete.
As for the greatest Zelda game created, I still place that to Link of the Past, which is so easy to pick up and play I have beaten the game 5-6 times loving the game each time I played.
What I really loved about this list was going through and checking how many Nintendo games are actually in the top 100. It is incredible. They have one of the best track records of any developers.
Post by: Smoke39 on October 25, 2006, 09:37:54 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2006, 09:54:40 AM
2006 Reader Top 100 games of all time: 31% of the games are published by Nintendo.
That is a huge number of games. However, that is also gaming fanboys that will vote for most popular games and not the best.
So lets look at the Editors picks:
2005 IGN Editors Picks for Top 100 Games of all time 19% are published by Nintendo.
Both of those numbers are really staggering, and I believe the Editors picks stat is even more amazing, because they were pulling out some crazy obscure games.
Post by: IceCold on October 25, 2006, 10:25:20 AM
QuoteUnless I'm mistaken, you did a while back.. could have been someone else though.
Originally posted by: JonLeungQuote
Originally posted by: IceCold
Heh, I think he loves that game as well - as he so aptly put it once, everything remotely associated with Super Mario Bros 3 deserves an automatic perfect score*
Wait, who said that?
Post by: JonLeung on October 25, 2006, 11:00:35 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 25, 2006, 03:44:05 PM
Post by: UniversalJuan on October 25, 2006, 06:52:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
The greatest game of all time is Super Smash Bros Brawl. It's greatness has already transended time and space which is why I can say this right now, a year before it's even released.
QFT...easily.
Post by: wandering on October 26, 2006, 12:09:18 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2006, 04:27:22 AM
