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Title: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 17, 2006, 05:19:55 PM
Sanyo 30" WideScreen Built In HDTV


OMG!! That's the best deal I have ever seen on any TV that size not to mention Bulit-in HD.  
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Strell on October 17, 2006, 05:27:59 PM
Remanufactured anything makes Strell cry.

Just wait for Black Friday.  I imagine you'll get your very own pet flamingo when you buy a TV this year.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 17, 2006, 07:34:36 PM
It's probably also about 18 inches deep (flat screen doesn't mean its a flat panel). You can get a similarly priced TV at Wal-Mart.  
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Svevan on October 17, 2006, 07:42:02 PM
Wal-Mart TVs will break as you walk them out of the store.
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: MANTI5 on October 17, 2006, 08:13:49 PM
my wii screen

That's what I'll be playing the wii on soon. I know that doesn't help, but I'm pretty exited.
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: bustin98 on October 17, 2006, 08:35:29 PM
I wish I had $3500 to spend on a tv.
Though it does remind me of how I spent $2500 on my first computer...

Before I got my current tv, I always bought Sanyo from Walmart. My first tv was a Sanyo from Wally World and it lasted a good 10 years plus a number of moves from one apartment to another. I currently have a 20" flat screen Sanyo in my bedroom that has awesome black levels. (I hate watching a widescreen movie and the 'black bars' are a different shade of black than whats in the movie.)

When I bought my widescreen EDTV, I don't believe Sanyo was doing hi-def stuff, and Wally World was definately not up to speed on the subject (they still aren't, IMHO). I have a Toshiba 42" rear projection monster. Manual says it does 480p, but strangely enough my 360 is able to output 1080i on it. 720p does nothing but a black screen. I'd like to hear if anyone has a theory on that (maybe its cause 480 and 1080 are in the same ratio??).

At any rate, I think my tv fits the bill wonderfully for the Wii.
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 17, 2006, 09:26:15 PM
You can get some good TVs for 1000-1500$ that are 30-40inches, just make sure you research stuff like color saturation and how it handles "blacks". On a side note I Hear the 1080p are almost worthless if the screen is less than 45 (Unless you are sitting reall close), so that makes a 30-42 inch model even more "affordable".  With that said that TV looks to be a good deal, but I really would check on the things I mentioned, and whether or not it supports 720p which some don't!  
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: ProfessorCFK on October 17, 2006, 09:26:47 PM
My TV/Rig  Outputs in 720p, 27 inch Westinghouse.  Two sets of component inputs, 2 AV inputs, svideo input, VGA input, and Coax input.  Love it!  Too bad duckhunt doesn't work on it
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Smash_Brother on October 17, 2006, 09:59:48 PM
I'm looking at a 60" $1300 model.

I know I shouldn't, but I'm starting to adore widescreen to a point where it seems necessary.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 17, 2006, 10:38:15 PM
Damn! This thing only does 1080i yuck. If it did 720p then I would have brought it on friday. Still it will do 480p and it's widescreen so it's still great for the Wii iThink.
check out these specs!

Digital Scanning Display Format
1080i  (all signals converted to 1080i display)                                      
Television Systems  
NTSC & ATSC                                                                        
RF Antenna Input
Analog - (UHF,VHF,CATV )75 ohm
Digital -  75 ohm          
Audio Video Input Jacks
Video Input 1:
Composite Video or S-Video and Audio (R/L)
Video Input 2:
Component (Y,Pb,Pr) Video and Audio (R/L)
Video Input 3:
Component (Y,Pb,Pr) Video and Audio (R/L)
HDMI Input:
19-pin connector (Picture/Sound with HDCP)                                
Audio Output Jacks
1-Optical Digital
1-Analog (R/L) fixed                                                                                          
Sound Amplifier
Built-in 5 W/ch                                                                                            
Power
120v AC, 60hz                                                                                              
Power Consumption
140 Watts                                                                                                              
Size (W x H x D)
34.6" x 22.6" x 21.6"                                                                                    
Weight
114.1 lbs.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 17, 2006, 11:37:53 PM
Damn u all.  I am still a college student and the word "income" is no longer in my dictionary.  I'll be using the same TV I've been using for my GCN.  It's only a 20" Philips Flatscreen TV with Component out, S-video, and Composite.  Some reason this thread makes me want to buy a Hummer to Compensate for my dinky Tv....
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Infernal Monkey on October 17, 2006, 11:49:46 PM
I'm forced to buy a new TV very soon, maybe even this weekend. My old one doesn't play NTSC stuff anymore. Know what I'm gonna replace it with? Hopefully the same bloody thing, 51cm, stereo sound, one AV input will do. You know what I think about your fancy televisions? HUH? HUH? It's a secret.
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2006, 12:09:09 AM
Nile at least you caught it, my HD-TV said in the specs in did 720p but really doesn't. So not only do I have a standard screen aka not widescreen, but it only does 1080i and has no HDMI cables either (which I will need for when I buy the HD-DVD upgrade for my 360). Then again I bought my TV about a year ago so alot has changed (It cost about 400$) and I think I will be able to upgrade soon to a 32-40 inch TV with tons of features when those PS3 fanboys start paying me tons of money for my systems .
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 18, 2006, 02:21:00 AM
My Wii TV.

Great monitor, does a ton of different things and the hi-def stuff looks fantastic. I really hope the component cables are widely available at launch because I really don't want to play the Wii at 480i on that thing, it'll look atrocious.

"On a side note I Hear the 1080p are almost worthless if the screen is less than 45 (Unless you are sitting reall close)"

I can promise you this bears no truth. My monitor does 1080p and it is only 24" and playing the 360 at 1080i, you can still see jaggies and some bluriness. Remember, 1080p is nearly double the resolution of 1080i which is an enormous bump. On any TV that can do both you will almost certainly be able to see the difference. Perhaps for movies and such there won't be as noticable a difference, but for games I guarantee there will be a huge difference.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Nile Boogie on October 18, 2006, 02:52:36 AM
Wait....Just because it does 1080i does it mean it can do 480p? And what happens when you hook up a 720p signal thru HDMI, does it upconvert?
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: couchmonkey on October 18, 2006, 04:55:35 AM
I think this thread successfully demonstrates why HDTV has a long way to go.  When it takes this much research - black levels, saturation, progressive scan, multiple resolutions, special cables -  it's hardly worth it.  We're nerds, imagine what an average person just getting a glimpse of all this thinks.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Rhoq on October 18, 2006, 05:25:01 AM
I actually own the 30" Sanyo Vizon CRT HDTV as pictured in that Value City ad. I bought it at Wal-Mart earlier this year for under $500. It's a nice set, but I will actually be taking advantage of the 1 year warranty and upgrade to the 32" Sanyo LCD at some point over the next few weeks.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 18, 2006, 05:30:50 AM
Understanding HD took me a few articles and a bit of research. I'm guessing the average consumer just buys the big one that costs alot. I wouldn't bother investing a significant amount of money into any HDTV that can't do 1080p. The differences between 1080i and p are enormous. I would suggest anyone looking into buying an HDTV to do some research on the resolutions so that they understand what they are buying. There are a bunch of articles out there that generally explain the differences between interlaced and progressive scan and why there are resolution differences and why 1080p is far superior to 1080i.  
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: capamerica on October 18, 2006, 06:05:20 AM
Me and my friends have been using a projector for awhile now, but sadly it looks like we're going to have to retire it and move to an actually TV.
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Jin-X on October 18, 2006, 06:54:29 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: bustin98
When I bought my widescreen EDTV, I don't believe Sanyo was doing hi-def stuff, and Wally World was definately not up to speed on the subject (they still aren't, IMHO). I have a Toshiba 42" rear projection monster. Manual says it does 480p, but strangely enough my 360 is able to output 1080i on it. 720p does nothing but a black screen. I'd like to hear if anyone has a theory on that (maybe its cause 480 and 1080 are in the same ratio??).

At any rate, I think my tv fits the bill wonderfully for the Wii.


It's because your tv is an older CRT based rear projection tv. No CRTs out there do 720p natively (more recent models take the signal and converts it to 1080i) but yours must be one of the older models that don't accept 720p at all.

Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Jin-X on October 18, 2006, 07:21:01 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Nile Boogie
Wait....Just because it does 1080i does it mean it can do 480p? And what happens when you hook up a 720p signal thru HDMI, does it upconvert?


Never seen an HDTV that didn't accept 480p. And every tv that is pixel based (everything except CRTs) has a set amount of pixels and it converts every signal to that amount; and they all are progressice displays.

Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Jensen on October 18, 2006, 03:33:31 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
My Wii TV.

Great monitor, does a ton of different things and the hi-def stuff looks fantastic. I really hope the component cables are widely available at launch because I really don't want to play the Wii at 480i on that thing, it'll look atrocious.



I had the previous version of that monitor, which is very similar.

It makes games without progressive scan unplayable, it blurs very badly when with action, and has a lag between between control input and display.  I mainly bought Nintendo published games though, and all of those are progressive scan.

The monitor has some lag with even the best inputs, though.  It wasn't noticeable with Gamecube games, but I noticed it with mouse controlled computer FPS.

I used a wired mouse, since wireless adds its own lag.  I worry that the combination of the pointing capabilities of the Wiimote, the Wiimote being wireless, and the monitor's lag, may cause problems.

I prefer the 20" Dell model, but it doesn't have component inputs.

I think I'll get the biggest, heaviest HDTV CRT I can find.... They are much more difficult to steal than my 24" flatpanel was.

Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 18, 2006, 03:51:24 PM
Jensen, the difference between this model and the older models is enormous. The quality has been seriously upgraded. One of my good friends has the older model and we had played a bunch of 360 games on his, then when I got mine you could tell how much better it performed. I haven't experienced any of the lag seen in older models, but the non progressive input looks atrocious. I won't even play my Cube on it because I don 't have the component cables. I really hope I can get the Wii component cables at launch or else I'll be playing the Wii in my bedroom.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: mantidor on October 18, 2006, 05:55:00 PM
As I said, its ironic Nintendo puts always huge widescreen TVs in their publicity material when they themselves said that HD penetration was low and thats why they didn't go that route :P.

The TV Ill use with the console is my computer monitor, I hope theres a VGA output or Ill have to settle with my TV import card.



Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 18, 2006, 06:15:24 PM
I don't think the Xbox 360 HD DVD player will have HDMI. A lot (not sure what the percentage is) of TVs that can do 1080i can also do 1080p, even through component input, and even though it's not a "supported" resolution, because nothing used that resolution when HDTV was starting to get big.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: KirbySStar on October 18, 2006, 07:02:42 PM
Here's my Wii tv =)

A 32-inch Samsung LCD.  My gamecube using component cables looks beautiful on this thing.  
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 18, 2006, 07:19:22 PM
Mr. Jack how close do you sit to your TV? I heard that makes a difference as well when it comes to 1080p, I'll probaly be at least 7 ft from mine if I get a 32-40 incher.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Nick DiMola on October 18, 2006, 08:12:55 PM
I would say I sit around 7 ft back and you can definitely still see jaggies even on the 360. Regardless, a bigger TV that does 1080p = total hotness. I just can't justify the purchase of any HDTV that doesn't have the potential for 1080p. When the HD switch happens a couple of years down the road I'm sure almost everything possible will be in 1080p and peple looking for the best experience will need it. I essentially bought my 24 inch HDTV because it did 1080p and eventually I can use it in my bedroom. I'm sure in a year or two when I have some more disposable income I'll purchase a big HDTV for the living room to really enjoy the 1080p that much more.  
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 18, 2006, 08:48:36 PM
This is the TV that I want to get before I buy my Wii (I'm waiting for the Black one). I can use it for TV and for my PC since they are right next to each other and I've really been wanting something widescreen for a few years now(I always buy/rent the widescreen version of everything even though I have no widescreen).

Its only $1500 and the price just keeps getting lower the longer that I wait. I just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money when I know I'm neglecting other debts that should be paid off first.
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: UniversalJuan on October 18, 2006, 09:35:06 PM
I will actually own one of these sometime between Nov 3rd and Nov 7th, and man can I not wait. I am particulary looking forward to playing all my Cube games via my component cables on it (Have a 27in HD-Ready TV now but it's 1. Not 16:9, 2. needs to have the cables put into a different socket when using pro scan, and 3. I've seen this monitor in person....I need to play my games on this thing.) I simply wish I could afford to get every single one of you who don't have one or something better one of these too /tear


Edit: Far better link
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: Ceric on October 18, 2006, 09:37:27 PM
The Kiosk seem to be using 4:3.  Probably 480P still though.
Title: RE: The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: capamerica on October 19, 2006, 07:18:05 AM
@Brandogg
MS has said they have no plans to release as 1st party HDMI cable for the Xbox360, But they have said that 3rd party will release a HDMI cable for it.

MS just doesn't see a need to release a HDMI cable since so few HDTVs even use it.
Title: RE:The Perfect Wii Tv
Post by: The Omen on October 19, 2006, 01:22:58 PM
I have a 51" rear projection hdtv that really rocks, and it's only $900(because it is rear projection...like I care) if you shop at the right time.  My games look downright gorgeous with component cables, kids.