Post by: Nile Boogie on October 03, 2006, 11:47:46 AM
If XboX 1 can do 720p over component and the Wii is, at the very least as powerful as an XboX, then why am I asking this question?*
*poster's note: I know the Wii is more powerful than an XboX, and I am well aware of the 480p 16x9 ratio abilities. I thought I might have missed something. Thank You.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 03, 2006, 12:27:38 PM
Post by: hudsonhawk on October 03, 2006, 01:10:20 PM
Why would they understate what it can do? If they could they'd claim it was just as possible of HD resolutions, but that it was up to the developers to decide if they were going to support it.
In which case no one would - there were very few Xbox1 games that were in 720p, since it wasn't required.
Post by: JonLeung on October 03, 2006, 01:16:53 PM
I'm not saying the Wii can't do 720p, as I don't know enough either way, but just because the Xbox can do something doesn't mean that a generally-accepted-to-be more powerful system can do it, or do it as easily or in the same way. Otherwise you'd think all Xbox games would work properly on the Xbox 360.
It's like, just because a rock beats scissors and a paper is better than a rock, doesn't mean that paper can beat scissors. Now replace "beats scissors" with "displays in 720p", "paper" with Wii and "rock" with Xbox.
Post by: Ceric on October 03, 2006, 01:26:31 PM
(I'll try to find the quote tonight)
Post by: BlkPaladin on October 03, 2006, 01:27:50 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 03, 2006, 01:29:39 PM
A firmware patch is suppose to up the 360 to being capable of 1080P. I know thats different...
*waves hand*
Post by: MaryJane on October 03, 2006, 03:07:20 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
It's like, just because a rock beats scissors and a paper is better than a rock, doesn't mean that paper can beat scissors. Now replace "beats scissors" with "displays in 720p", "paper" with Wii and "rock" with Xbox.
absolute genius
Post by: Athrun Zala on October 03, 2006, 04:33:05 PM
Quotea) Nintendo ALWAYS does that
Originally posted by: hudsonhawk
Why would they understate what it can do?
b) simple, look at this syllogism
suppouse the Wii outputs 720p
average people think that 720p is just shiny surfaces, reflections and lens flares
X360 outputs shiny surfaces, reflections and lens flares
Nintendo is aiming at average people
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average people think that the Wii is like the X360
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 03, 2006, 05:19:48 PM
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Originally posted by: hudsonhawk
I disagree completely Professional. We don't know enough about the graphics hardware or the Wii's firmware to say that it is possible.
Why would they understate what it can do? If they could they'd claim it was just as possible of HD resolutions, but that it was up to the developers to decide if they were going to support it.
In which case no one would - there were very few Xbox1 games that were in 720p, since it wasn't required.
Did you not read what I said? I implied that the Wii hardware has the POTENTIAL to display 720p, but by design Nintendo may never allow anything greater than 480p -- FOR PERFORMANCE sake. By saying Wii could potentially display so many dots doesn't factor in the resulting performance degredation that would result -- cuz i'm not talking about performance, i'm talking about display resolution (DOTS, PEOPLE), nothing more. Don't jump to your 5th floor conclusion when my foyer only goes to the 2nd floor.
1280x720 = 921,600 pixels
1024x768 = 786,432 pixels
921,600 / 786,432 = 1.17
720p has roughly 17% more pixels than 1024x786, NOT A BIG JUMP, considering 1024x768 is a PC resolution that's been around since GRAPHICS CARDS ONLY HAD 4MB, RUNNING ON A WIN95 MACHINE. Wii is ages beyond that. C'mon.
I'm not saying Kameo HD is gonna run on 4mb, but we've been playing with SO-CALLED "high-def" pixel-counts for quite a long time. I am saying Wii, by RAW MODERN COMPUTING HORSEPOWER alone, could throw around enough pixels to satisfy HD displays. But we all KNOW Nintendo isn't allowing it BY DESIGN, and ONLY in that sense, HD is not possible on Wii.
Nintendo can't fit a Humvee into a garage because Nintendo DESIGNED the garage door for smaller cars -- in the end it still fits cars. Wii isn't suddenly "worse technology" than your decade-old beloved Voodoo card. Having a worthy framerate is the hard part. Pixels are a piece of cake. That's all there is to it.
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 03, 2006, 05:21:44 PM
That took me so long to decode, but I have to agree: absolute genius. Nicely done.
Post by: lastexit on October 03, 2006, 09:40:15 PM
This is quality control. Sony and MS would be wise to learn of it.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 03, 2006, 10:07:28 PM
Nintendo based the Wii on the Gc so that arbitrary restriction may still be in place. There's a chance it isn't but this being nintendo I'd say there' a good chance the restriction still exists.
Post by: Kairon on October 03, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
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Post by: vudu on October 04, 2006, 09:07:10 AM
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Post by: JonLeung on October 04, 2006, 06:50:31 PM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 04, 2006, 07:26:46 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 04, 2006, 09:27:43 PM
No, that would only happen if the standards consortiums for the TV standards finally decided to up the refresh rate instead of the resolution. Okay, you can double the refresh rate by drawing each frame twice (our widescreen TV in the living room does that, really pronounces the interlacing artifacts) but AFAIK no TV accepts a 100Hz or 120Hz input signal yet.
The games wouldn't look and different if the resolution was upped. They're specifically made for 480i or 480p, so if you could magically change the resolution to 1280x720, or 1920x1080, the games would either look identical, or look the same and run like crap.
Um, no. Even if they're made for that resolution they'd look better (specifically far-away things would be easier to recognize and the "jaggies" would be smaller) at higher resolutions. Never mind we aren't talking about upping the resolution on released games but allowing games to offer higher resolutions if they want.
Post by: Chode2234 on October 05, 2006, 02:10:12 PM
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