Post by: deminisma on March 05, 2003, 05:34:46 PM
If anyone has played "Snatcher" on Sega CD they'll know the bad guys in the game are known as "Joy Division". This is because one of Hideo Kojima's favorite bands are Joy Division (a late 70's British rock band). Now, Joy Division released a retrospective album after their demise in the late 80's titled "Substance", and there, is the link. It only struck me today.
Kojima must like Joy Division a hell of alot.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 06, 2003, 05:46:59 AM
Post by: boggy b on March 06, 2003, 11:03:44 AM
MGS2 didn't lack substance, but Substance just has more!
MGS2 was a good game, jsut not as good as the original.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 06, 2003, 12:56:51 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 06, 2003, 06:27:34 PM
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My theory is more simple. I think the re-release of MGS2 was named "Substance" because the original version lacked any. Consumers cried fowl, so it gets re-released with the option of playing Snake all the way through. Kojima, IMO, was so secretive with the game because he KNEW that he had screwed up and didn't want to admit he had screwed up so far into the game's development schedule, hence the re-release of Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty as Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance. But IMO, Raiden wasn't the problem, it was the horrible story that made the game terrible.
VERY well said. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on March 07, 2003, 07:31:44 PM
Post by: dafunkk12 on March 09, 2003, 04:49:03 PM
Post by: AlbinoPanda on March 15, 2003, 08:36:32 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 15, 2003, 09:18:46 AM
Post by: The Omen on March 16, 2003, 06:53:12 PM
Post by: boggy b on March 18, 2003, 07:36:32 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on March 18, 2003, 06:52:28 PM
Before Metal Gear was announced on GameCube:
1) I LOVE MGS. It's about my 5th favorite game ever! (I have proof)
2) I HATE MGS2. I could care less that it's not on GameCube.
After Metal Gear was announced on GameCube:
1) I LOVE MGS. It's about my 5th favorite game ever!
2) I HATE MGS2. It had better NOT be coming to GameCube.
3) I want to see a remake of MGS or one of the MSX Metal Gears on GameCube.
4) I want an all new Metal Gear that doesn't suck on GameCube.
Post by: SiroAlaskaSky on October 26, 2003, 02:38:05 AM
You have posted a message of how to break a guards neck... Have you figured it out. I'm still try to do it and i'm playing the game without killing somebody. Please will you give instructions detailing the buttons i have to press
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 26, 2003, 04:43:24 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 26, 2003, 08:24:12 AM
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Hey Aiai
You have posted a message of how to break a guards neck... Have you figured it out. I'm still try to do it and i'm playing the game without killing somebody. Please will you give instructions detailing the buttons i have to press
PC version or PSX version?
At any rate, you have to sneak up behind someone, and grab them. After you have them in a choke hold, you keep pressing the (grab?) button until they die.
Post by: mouse_clicker on October 26, 2003, 08:30:03 AM
Post by: Urkel on October 26, 2003, 08:30:17 PM
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Hey, have you noticed that before the announcement of MGS on GCN, it was the worst game ever. Now that it's to be released on GCN its the best thing ever!!
Huh? Even on Nintendo forums, MGS is almost universally considered to be an excellent game, even before Twin Snakes was announced. It's MGS2 that people bash constantly, which I can't help but feel is partially unfair. I haven't played it, so I can't say for myself, but it seems that just about the only reason people hate MGS2 is because it had a bad story and pathetic main character, not because of any gameplay issues.
My opinion of MGS hasn't changed much. I considered it a very fun game with a completely implausible plot, that was told in a way that made you think it was plausible. I liked it a lot. I just never considered it on the same level as Ocarina of Time, like some people seem to.
The reason I'm so hyped about Twin Snakes is because:
1. The very capable guys at SK are (re)making it.
2. Shiggy Wiggy is involved.
3. Konami has finally decided to stop screwing over GCN owners, and has stopped spitting in our faces with these condescending Disney Sports games. I think some of the people at Konami actually bought into the "Gamecube is for four year olds" crap.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on October 26, 2003, 09:30:49 PM
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Huh? Even on Nintendo forums, MGS is almost universally considered to be an excellent game, even before Twin Snakes was announced. It's MGS2 that people bash constantly, which I can't help but feel is partially unfair. I haven't played it, so I can't say for myself, but it seems that just about the only reason people hate MGS2 is because it had a bad story and pathetic main character, not because of any gameplay issues.
No, the problem is GamePlay more than it is Story. The problem is there isn't much GamePlay to speak of, so you end up watching a boring movie with a lame character and getting to move down a hallway before your next movie (Not unlike FFX). MGS2 was a painful experience.
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 27, 2003, 01:42:53 PM
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Huh? Even on Nintendo forums, MGS is almost universally considered to be an excellent game, even before Twin Snakes was announced. It's MGS2 that people bash constantly, which I can't help but feel is partially unfair. I haven't played it, so I can't say for myself, but it seems that just about the only reason people hate MGS2 is because it had a bad story and pathetic main character, not because of any gameplay issues.
Before I played it, I was often vocal in my own defense of the game. I mean, the trailers for it ROCK, and by watching the gameplay footage, you can see that it's a vastly upgraded version of MGS, which was a very fun game right? People griping about the story can't all be right, as the story was a big part of the first game as well, with cut scenes sometimes taking more than 10 minutes.
But put all that aside. The game is complete unadultered crap after the first hour. I really don't know how else to describe it, but it got progressively worse until it was painful to play it near the end.
I was just thankful that Silent Hill 2 didn't disgrace the fine Silent Hill franchise as well.
Post by: robofish on October 27, 2003, 04:44:09 PM
Post by: Urkel on October 27, 2003, 06:56:55 PM
Of course, if it were to ever get ported over to the Cube, I would still like to see for myself.
Post by: Grey Ninja on October 28, 2003, 01:39:49 PM
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Oh, okay. I just assumed that since everybody focuses on the story of MGS2, that it was the only major issue.
Of course, if it were to ever get ported over to the Cube, I would still like to see for myself.
No, no. The story isn't the only issue, but it's by FAR the biggest.
But.... I really hate to admit this, and I likely won't repeat it, and I would REALLY appreciate it if I wasn't bugged about this. But the Toys R Us near me had a whole bunch of copies of MGS2: Substance that they were clearing out for $25 a pop, and I bought one. I only play the VR Missions and the first level in the game, as I don't care to play the rest, but I really enjoy it now that I know better than to finish it. I was willing to pay the $25 for the first level, because it DOES rule so much, and I AM still a Metal Gear fan despite the rest of the game. But me simply owning the game does not change the fact that I hate the game and wish it were never made.
