Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 10:44:36 AM
Heroes sometime in 2007, Brawl in Holiday 2007...
I think there's also going to be Spore, NFS: the Island and Sims: Island from EA...
Can anyone name some first or third party titles (even non-exclusive) that we expect to see in the Holidays of 2007 or in the immediate period following that?
I.E. Could the Wii have a "year-later" drought?
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Post by: Smash_Brother on September 22, 2006, 11:00:00 AM
MS and Sony just insist upon choking dates out of developers because it makes it look like their consoles will have more games.
90% of those dates will slip. Count on it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 22, 2006, 11:10:35 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 22, 2006, 11:14:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
You're worried about Wii games that won't be out for another year? Good grief, wait for E3 for those titles... =\
Uuuuhhhh, what E3?
You mean TGS 2006, Game developers conference, PAX, Leizpig and such.
Post by: King of Twitch on September 22, 2006, 11:20:33 AM
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 11:20:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
You're worried about Wii games that won't be out for another year? Good grief, wait for E3 for those titles... =\
Isn't that what all good hardcore gamers and fanboi's do?
Let's face it, as an educated consumer, the implicit assurance that the PS3 and X360 have games down the line that will be real big is a definite plus. As a consumer of the Wii at launch, don't I have a write to inquire as to the announced future hits for my console?
Or do you expect a lot of Wii games to come out of the woodworks next March?
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Post by: Pale on September 22, 2006, 11:26:09 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
You're worried about Wii games that won't be out for another year? Good grief, wait for E3 for those titles... =\
Uuuuhhhh, what E3?
You mean TGS 2006, Game developers conference, PAX, Leizpig and such.
Actually I think he's referring to E3. It's going to happen next summer.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 22, 2006, 11:27:07 AM
Post by: Crimm on September 22, 2006, 11:50:28 AM
Post by: JonLeung on September 22, 2006, 11:53:18 AM
I just won't be able to go next year.
If many third-party developers really didn't jump onto the Wii bandwagon until after this year's E3, perhaps they will have a lot to show by next year.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 22, 2006, 11:58:54 AM
Wait, isn't that good marketing? Why isn't Nintendo doing that?
"VC will take care of the post-christmas/summer droughts from now on."
The Virtual Console will never make up for droughts because those games aren't new. To suggest that someone make do with that is like telling people to play older Wii games they haven't played yet to make up for a lack of new releases. It's all about new releases. The Cube's got nothing right now. Do existing Cube games I haven't played yet fill in the gap? No. The VC is merely a bonus and Nintendo should not rely on it to fill gaps.
Post by: Artimus on September 22, 2006, 12:08:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The Virtual Console will never make up for droughts because those games aren't new. To suggest that someone make do with that is like telling people to play older Wii games they haven't played yet to make up for a lack of new releases. It's all about new releases. The Cube's got nothing right now. Do existing Cube games I haven't played yet fill in the gap? No. The VC is merely a bonus and Nintendo should not rely on it to fill gaps.
I think he meant both new and old games on the VC.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 22, 2006, 12:40:29 PM
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Originally posted by: MJRx9000
Mario will be moved to March or August, Metroid to November and Smash to December, Gamecube games from the bargain bin will take care of the post-christmas/summer droughts from now on.
fixed.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 12:44:39 PM
Post by: trip1eX on September 22, 2006, 12:49:50 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on September 22, 2006, 12:51:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"MS and Sony just insist upon choking dates out of developers because it makes it look like their consoles will have more games."
Wait, isn't that good marketing? Why isn't Nintendo doing that?
While that would be some good marketing it would lead to problems. How often do you hear people here bitching about how we were promised ssbb at launch, that zelda is on the wii first, and that metroid prime 3 is delayed? Every single day. I personally don't want to hear a constant stream of "Waaah waaahh! They promised it would be here by now." all the time.
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 22, 2006, 12:51:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"MS and Sony just insist upon choking dates out of developers because it makes it look like their consoles will have more games."
Wait, isn't that good marketing? Why isn't Nintendo doing that?
"VC will take care of the post-christmas/summer droughts from now on."
The Virtual Console will never make up for droughts because those games aren't new. To suggest that someone make do with that is like telling people to play older Wii games they haven't played yet to make up for a lack of new releases. It's all about new releases. The Cube's got nothing right now. Do existing Cube games I haven't played yet fill in the gap? No. The VC is merely a bonus and Nintendo should not rely on it to fill gaps.
I'm actually going to have to agree with Ian 100% on this one. There better be some new games on the horizon once the whole launch window passes and the major franchises are released. VC games in no form will be acceptable as substitutes for major game releases.
Post by: JonLeung on September 22, 2006, 01:03:46 PM
And I'm guessing some old VC games are deeper than Geometry Wars, and there could be similar new VC games.
Feel free to prove me wrong, I'm just spouting crap on stuff I don't know about.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 22, 2006, 01:10:37 PM
Games in the pipeline:
FROM NINTENDO (includes 2nd party developers):
Super Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Fire Emblem
Battalion Wars 2
Forever Blue
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Project Hammer
That Kirby game (you know it's gotta be a Wii game by now. . .)
Big Brain Academy (possiblly 2006. . .)
Super Paper Mario (possiblly 2006. . .)
DK Bongo Blast (possiblly 2006. . .)
Animal Crossing is inevitable
F-Zero is inevitable
Hell, at this point, with all the rumors and renewed interest a Kid Icarus sequel is pretty inevitable too.
EDIT: and as VGrevolution points out, Mario Strikers
I'd list 3rd party games too but that sounds too time consuming . . . I hope I've given you the impression that I think you're raving mad with this whole "Oh noes! No game in 2007!" thing. . . Because I think you are. The release list for 2007 is looking fantastic as far as I'm concerned. Much, much better than Gamecube's first year. We have something to be happy about here.
Ya crazy.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 01:16:57 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 01:34:03 PM
Your list revised to remove anticipated early and summer 2007 releases and to remove games speculated only because they are franchises(i.e. no proof of development):
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Originally posted by: WalkingTheCow
FROM NINTENDO (includes 2nd party developers):
Disaster: Day of Crisis (?)
Fire Emblem (?)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Project Hammer (?)
That Kirby game (you know it's gotta be a Wii game by now. . .)
And I would appreciate a list of third party titles, lol. Maybe we'll get Capcom's RE wiimake compilation (as in, NOT A NEW GAME) in late 2007 also?
WalkingTheCow, I'm a die-hard Nintendo fanboi who'd never give serious thought to buying an XBox360 or PS3 system. But I'm also a die-hard Nintendo fanboi who wants to try as hard as possible to be impartial and to be able to see things from multiple viewpoints.
For example, we can see tons of stuff right now, but are there any down-the-line long-term releases for the Wii we can get excited about?
Just a question. *shrug*
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 01:39:14 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 02:01:50 PM
Thanks for reminding me about Sadness though! OH, and whatever Wii project N-Space is cooking up, hopefully with enough zeal and drive to make a quality AAA title.
Or will Holiday 2007 be when we see the fruition of tons of anounced but as-of-yet untitled or un-detailed projects from third parties? Wii game lists seem to contain a large number of "Untitled Project"s when it comes to third parties...
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 02:08:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Hmm... yeah, with about 2 years of dev time, it may be a little strange to expect to know games coming out a year or more ahead of time, but that just seems to me the sense that PS3 owners get, that if they only invested time and energy they'd have a list of such games.
Thanks for reminding me about Sadness though! OH, and whatever Wii project N-Space is cooking up, hopefully with enough zeal and drive to make a quality AAA title.
Or will Holiday 2007 be when we see the fruition of tons of anounced but as-of-yet untitled or un-detailed projects from third parties? Wii game lists seem to contain a large number of "Untitled Project"s when it comes to third parties...
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Also don't forget that Nintendo isn't known for spilling the beans too far ahead of time lol. Personally I think the reason for the 3rd parties having untitiled one for Wii is that they are waiting and seeing how Wii does along with whether or not Wii owners buy games. It will probaly be alot like DS in that it took a year or so of success to get 3rd parties on board.
Post by: IceCold on September 22, 2006, 02:21:03 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on September 22, 2006, 03:01:26 PM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 22, 2006, 03:43:21 PM
As far as 2007's holiday season and beyond, there are obviouslly a number of candidates in the list IceCold posted and I'b bet there's more that are unannounced . I remember leading up to and right after E3 how a ton of developers started talking about Wii more and stating their support and so on. That does lead me to think that the time frame your concerned about should end up just fine.
Then again, I'm well aware that we just don't know yet. It's a valid concern.
Nintendo's does seem to be throwing out the big guns earlier in the year (again, granted we don't know what they might have planned) so I would expect the first party showing for holiday season 2007 to be tame. Third party suppost a year in should be pretty great though.
Predictions are mostly useless but based on what we do know, I would predict a pretty solid showing. We probobly won't really have a good idea though untill the next E3.
(btw, I really hope Sadness ends up being as cool as it sounds.)
Post by: Strell on September 22, 2006, 03:52:22 PM
It's not like you'll need another game after you buy Smash Bros.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 22, 2006, 04:42:51 PM
I for one don't see any big dry spells coming anytime soon. I wonder when Nintendo will announce some Pikmin action.....the first thing i will do is launch a pikmin into space, im evil lol!
Post by: The Omen on September 22, 2006, 04:46:59 PM
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The Virtual Console will never make up for droughts because those games aren't new.
Nobody, including deviants here in these forums, played every game that will be available on the VC. That makes the games new to them.
Post by: Mario on September 22, 2006, 05:06:07 PM
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I meant long term, as in Holiday 2007 and beyond. I'll be the first to admit that Nintendo is looking very healthy in the year 2007. It's about a Holiday 2007 drought that I'm wondering about.
They CAN'T ANNOUNCE those games yet, jesus christ.
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 06:15:54 PM
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Originally posted by: MarioQuote
I meant long term, as in Holiday 2007 and beyond. I'll be the first to admit that Nintendo is looking very healthy in the year 2007. It's about a Holiday 2007 drought that I'm wondering about.
They CAN'T ANNOUNCE those games yet, jesus christ.
Well Excuuuuuuuuse ME, PrinCESS!
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Post by: Jin-X on September 22, 2006, 06:30:15 PM
And the PS3 line-up seems kinda small even when you add the western 3rd party games we all get: Japanese PS3 game list
Post by: IceCold on September 22, 2006, 07:09:22 PM
QuoteI would absolutely love a Pikmin game with the Wii controller, but sadly Miyamoto said that they have no plans for one currently. Makes sense, since EAD has their hands full already. Hopefully we get one iteration during this geneartion..
I for one don't see any big dry spells coming anytime soon. I wonder when Nintendo will announce some Pikmin action.....the first thing i will do is launch a pikmin into space, im evil lol!
Post by: KDR_11k on September 22, 2006, 08:27:05 PM
"MS and Sony just insist upon choking dates out of developers because it makes it look like their consoles will have more games."
Wait, isn't that good marketing? Why isn't Nintendo doing that?
Because it's the same as claiming your console can render Toy Story in realtime. Nothing but baloney sammiches. Never mind that TBA means "could come out soon" whereas "comes out in 2008" means "comes out in 2008".
WalkingTheCow, I'm a die-hard Nintendo fanboi who'd never give serious thought to buying an XBox360 or PS3 system. But I'm also a die-hard Nintendo fanboi who wants to try as hard as possible to be impartial and to be able to see things from multiple viewpoints.
You can't be impartial if you aren't unbiased in your buying decisions.
Post by: wandering on September 22, 2006, 09:03:04 PM
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I'm a die-hard Nintendo fanboi who'd never give serious thought to buying an XBox360 or PS3 system.
If you were really a die-hard Nintendo fanboi, you'd buy both the Xbox360 and PS3. And then not get any games for them.
Post by: TrueNerd on September 22, 2006, 09:50:33 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 10:26:06 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
You can't be impartial if you aren't unbiased in your buying decisions.
That's why I only try to be as unbiased as possible... within the limits of my obviously fallable fanboyism. This is a very thin line I tread.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Strell on September 23, 2006, 06:02:33 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 23, 2006, 06:17:53 AM
What, to bolster their sales numbers?
Post by: Ceric on September 23, 2006, 06:30:08 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 23, 2006, 07:09:06 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 23, 2006, 09:54:52 AM
Reason 1: They'll be broke already.
Reason 2: The launch lineup sucks.
Not including the HDMI cable further hurts Sony as Third parties could see customers buying the cable instead of an extra game or two. Forget the Wii Sports pack in hurting game sales for Nintendo, I think Sony will have it worse.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 23, 2006, 10:22:56 AM
Actually I'd argue he opposite, if you're buying a 600€ system you'll want to have more than one game to play on the thing, if not immediately then a few weeks later.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 23, 2006, 06:15:37 PM
Personally if I was a Publisher head I would rather release my games on 360 and Wii, untill PS3's install base gets bigger and software sales are at a good steady amount.
Post by: Ceric on September 23, 2006, 06:28:38 PM
We are seeing the opposite with the Wii which is the right thing to do in my opinion as well. It's overall low developer and consumer cost coupled with the new control style and the consumer not as set in their ways because of it; makes it the perfect platform to experiment and diversify on.
The 360 as of now is a "happy" middle ground and the definitive place for the online at the moment.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 25, 2006, 09:12:47 AM
If I had the willpower to wait, I'd buy a Wii after the first price drop. By then I'll have a much better idea of how good software support for the system is, plus I could save some money. But the system looks like too much fun to wait for, and there are easily enough good games at launch to justify a purchase.
All that being said, EA and Ubisoft have already proven to be quite dedicated to Wii, and word from Nintendo is that third party interest is higher than GameCube so far. I think 2007 is going to be a fine year for Wii.
Post by: Kairon on September 25, 2006, 10:51:59 AM
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Post by: Hocotate on September 25, 2006, 01:33:47 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 25, 2006, 01:40:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Hocotate
Might as well complain that they aren't releasing any info for the system after Wii while your at it.
Ok.
*puts on fanboi hat*
It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.
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