Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 21, 2006, 05:00:41 PM
Talk about alot of rambling over nothing. I also like how Sony is supposedly pushing innovation, that is a hoot! Also the PS3 has the unique ability to let you buy emulated games! OMG I guess they really are pushing innovation, not to mention RIIIDGE RACER!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 21, 2006, 05:09:15 PM
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Post by: IceCold on September 21, 2006, 05:31:05 PM
Post by: wandering on September 21, 2006, 05:31:44 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 21, 2006, 05:34:36 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
I want to know how much their controllers are.. actually, they really haven't talked about their launch strategy at all. Remember when they said they would have i ready by Spring 2006? Heh..
None of that stuff is important, you should be more concerned about HDMI, getting game development update news, IBMs processor, and that you are getting an amazing deal (he even said in America, people are amazed by how cheap the PS3 is going to be). Oh yeah it will be a new computer too, so screw launch details and controllers, that stuff is frivilous along with games.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2006, 05:39:18 PM
Post by: Caliban on September 21, 2006, 06:18:51 PM
Post by: Jin-X on September 21, 2006, 06:40:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
I think the price for PS3 controllers is going to make alot of wiimote/nunchuk-price-whiners shut the hell up.
Yeah us whiners, we should just go to our tree that grows money to then go buy the controllers. I don't care if the PS3s controllers cost even $100. Just because everybody else is price gouging ($50 for 360 control), doesn't make it ok for Nintendo to do the same. $60 is a ton for a controller. Not everybody can just throw money around recklessly you know.
Post by: capamerica on September 21, 2006, 06:43:27 PM
Looks like in Japan the PS3 Core (20GB model) will be getting a price Drop, insted of being ¥59,800 ($542) it will now be ¥49,800 ($425)
There is no announced US price drop, as it stands the US is still going to have to drop $499 on the PS3 Core.
If the PS3 were to drop into the same range as the Xbox360 I might think of getting one in 2008.
Post by: Arbok on September 21, 2006, 06:45:58 PM
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The original reason for content production is to seek diversity and to promote creativity, and at present the games industry relies too heavily on easy to sell sequels. He believes that this is a warning signal for the business - and that for SCE, innovation is now the basis of all their thought. Without innovation, there can be no future for the industry.
Did they just give a sales pitch for the Wii there?
Also, out of all the old systems to snag emulation for, Sony gets the Mega Drive and PC Engine... ha ha ha.
Post by: Jin-X on September 21, 2006, 06:57:54 PM
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Originally posted by: capamerica
A bit of good news for $ony:
Looks like in Japan the PS3 Core (20GB model) will be getting a price Drop, insted of being ¥59,800 ($542) it will now be ¥49,800 ($425)
There is no announced US price drop, as it stands the US is still going to have to drop $499 on the PS3 Core.
If the PS3 were to drop into the same range as the Xbox360 I might think of getting one in 2008.
The core also has HDMI now, they're clearly feeling the heat from Nintendo in Japan as the Wii has a great chance to take control of the Japanese market.
Will be interesting to see if the price drop and HDMI also happen here, maybe price drop by MS? Then Nintendo packing in a second wiimote/nunchuk? (OK I'm dreaming, sue me).
Post by: Caliban on September 21, 2006, 07:22:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
I think the price for PS3 controllers is going to make alot of wiimote/nunchuk-price-whiners shut the hell up.
Yeah us whiners, we should just go to our tree that grows money to then go buy the controllers. I don't care if the PS3s controllers cost even $100. Just because everybody else is price gouging ($50 for 360 control), doesn't make it ok for Nintendo to do the same. $60 is a ton for a controller. Not everybody can just throw money around recklessly you know.
I understand that not all people have enough money to get what they want from launch day, but then you also have to understand that gaming is not a life priority, it is a non-essential, why whine about it if it is nothing that will harm your well being. If you can't buy it now, buy it later, for sure there will be a price drop.
On topic, look at how Sony is feeling the heat from Nintendo and their future clients, lol, now they add HDMI to basic package and I think that's cool however it is still irrelevant if the price is still too high. maybe I will get a PS3 in late 2007 when they have more games that will make the console worthy of purchase, heck maybe even a 360 too, nahhhhhhhhhhh!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 21, 2006, 08:03:38 PM
Post by: jasonditz on September 21, 2006, 08:09:50 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 21, 2006, 08:14:09 PM
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Of course if Sony is the only one with sanely priced controllers, that might make the ungodly high cost of their console a little more forgivable. Of course, having a single launch title I'd actually want would go a long way to that end as well.
I see Ninja Gaiden has been announced for PS3, but I have a gut feeling it may also come out on Xbox 360.
Post by: wandering on September 21, 2006, 08:17:15 PM
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I mean what do they have? DMC4, Ridge Racer, MGS and FF? That is like it out of the big titles.
I am looking forward to (and by 'looking forward to', I mean 'cursing that I may never get a chance to play') Lair, and Fumito Ueda's next game (whatever that might be.)
Post by: jasonditz on September 21, 2006, 08:18:03 PM
Genji's the only one I'd have even a passing interest in, and if I'm not willing to drop $300 to play Zelda TP I sure as hell am not going to drop $660 to play Genji.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 21, 2006, 08:25:15 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 21, 2006, 08:37:01 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 21, 2006, 10:59:40 PM
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PS3's Ninja Gaiden is a "complete" version of the XBox Ninja Gaiden...
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Wow, lol. That Sony really scored there!
Post by: KDR_11k on September 22, 2006, 01:28:20 AM
Developers delete all game ideas that are sent in without reading them. That's important to prevent anyone from making copyright infringement claims and demanding royalties for using "their" ideas if the dev had the same idea.
(he even said in America, people are amazed by how cheap the PS3 is going to be)
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true.
Also, out of all the old systems to snag emulation for, Sony gets the Mega Drive and PC Engine... ha ha ha.
I recall Nintendo fans being quite happy when Nintendo announced that the Virtual Console will emulate the Mega Drive (aka Genesis) and PC Engine (aka TurboGraFX-16).
you also have to understand that gaming is not a life priority, it is a non-essential
HERESY!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 01:49:42 AM
"That about wraps up what we saw of Resistance at this year's Tokyo Game Show. There wasn't a whole lot new for us to check out, unfortunately, but the game still looks fantastic, and that's really all that matters."
Yeah because grahics are all that matter.
Post by: capamerica on September 22, 2006, 03:41:28 AM
If you played the Xbox version back in 2004 thats the same game your getting here. I'm a bit surprized they just didn't port it to the PS2, but then again the PS2 was extramly underpowered compaired to the Xbox.
Thou its really going to suck for playing since the Playstation controler stinks for these kind of games.
Sony should be so happy that they are getting a 2 year old port. I don't see this selling that well. And it will most likely be the only Team Ninja game to show up on the PS2 just like DoA2: Hardcore on the PS2.
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 22, 2006, 04:19:44 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 05:19:22 AM
Post by: Caliban on September 22, 2006, 06:35:52 AM
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I found IGN's hands on to be quite laughable for Resistance Fall of Man.
"That about wraps up what we saw of Resistance at this year's Tokyo Game Show. There wasn't a whole lot new for us to check out, unfortunately, but the game still looks fantastic, and that's really all that matters."
Yeah because grahics are all that matter.
I watched IGN's latest 720p vids for that same game, boooooooooooooooorrrrrriiing! It didn't even look that good, lol, or it could just be me that these "great graphics" aren't impressing me the least.
Post by: Caliban on September 22, 2006, 06:42:37 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
you also have to understand that gaming is not a life priority, it is a non-essential
HERESY!
LMAO! Indeed, you could say it is so, yet you are still a glitch in the matrix.
Note: I don't know how to aggregate quotes so I double posted, I apologize to the great Mods that be in this system.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 22, 2006, 07:05:19 AM
Seriously, I'd now take the core system over the fancy one, what do I need another 40 GB of disk space for? Downloading PS1 and PS2 games? I'll just by the originals! Those two announcements were really good, if Sony's smart it will at least carry over the HDMI support to all regions.
Everything else that I've heard about the conference was garbage. I especially liked when he complained about too many sequels and not enough innovation, it's like he copied it straight from Nintendo's 2001 GameCube press conference.
Post by: Caliban on September 22, 2006, 08:18:26 AM
Post by: vudu on September 22, 2006, 10:36:50 AM
Honestly, it probably doesn't affect Nintendo that much because they're using a different strategy. However, if I were going to buy a non-Nintendo console, at these prices, I would totally pick the PS3 over the Xbox 360. Microsoft should seriously consider a price drop in November.
Caliban - the price will almost certainly drop for the US core pack, too. Otherwise, it'll be cheaper to import (even taking into account shipping).
The real question becomes if the $600 version is also going to drop in price. Last I checked, Sony was planning on shipping out 80% fancy and 20% non-fancy consoles. A price drop doesn't do much good if you can't buy the non-fancy version.
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 10:48:59 AM
I think that MS will also have to drop their price. They COULD stand their ground since the X360's graphics are really just as nice as the PS3s and because they really have a strong software line-up in the U.S., but they probably don't have enough sales momentum (only ~6 million 360's sold worldwide so far, prob only 3 - 3.5 mill in U.S., a wasted one year lead) to risk it.
And if that all goes down this fall, would that draw Nintendo into the price war? Certainly, Nintendo is ready for such an event, and they could easily drop the Wii 50 bucks, or release a "core" package without Wii Sports and go for the bundle and non-bundled 2 SKU route. But will they? Should they? And what does that mean for their image, and for the Wii's image?
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Post by: Ceric on September 22, 2006, 11:40:28 AM
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Price drop is only for Japan...mwhuhahahahahahahahahaha.
And raised everywhere else to compensate.
Kairon: The answer is no.
On the PS2 dominating this gen and how the PS3 doesn't seem to have moment. Well the PSX had gotten a good ball of moment rolling on it and then they released the PS2 with only competition being a rather defaced Sega. At that time it had enough moment going to get it into a lot of peoples homes before the New comer XBox came out and the bad Decisions proned Gamecube, :heart: you Cube, so it was pretty much intrenched by that point. During the generation PS2 started going on a decline in a way. People where getting less satisfied with Sony and MS was starting to pick up shares. Nintendo did a little but well.. Go back to the bad decisions. The only problem was it was so late that it wouldn't help the competitors until now. MS has a pretty stout fan section now. There are people who really love there XBox/360. That group is for the most part separate from the diehard Nintendo group. Now don't get me wrong those two groups are friendly from what I can tell. This started to fracture the Sony core group more. With all the things they've done to shoot themselves in the foot over and again with the PS3 launch. Faith they don't have.
I guess to sum it up. When the PSP was launched I think Sony was on a decline in true fans. Also I've heard that MS has really stepped up it's game with development tools this time around. Nintendo well... You've had 4 years to figure it out and their only extending it. While Sony on the other hand it seems to be an afterthought.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 12:35:42 PM
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I'm with couchmonkey on this--both of these announcements are very good for Sony.
Honestly, it probably doesn't affect Nintendo that much because they're using a different strategy. However, if I were going to buy a non-Nintendo console, at these prices, I would totally pick the PS3 over the Xbox 360. Microsoft should seriously consider a price drop in November.
Caliban - the price will almost certainly drop for the US core pack, too. Otherwise, it'll be cheaper to import (even taking into account shipping).
The real question becomes if the $600 version is also going to drop in price. Last I checked, Sony was planning on shipping out 80% fancy and 20% non-fancy consoles. A price drop doesn't do much good if you can't buy the non-fancy version.
Though the HDMI being in the tard pack is a good thing, I still think you should be concerned quite a bit over PS3. It is quite obvious that Sony's focus is no longer games, but instead they are focused upon what all their system can do. That should be bothering you quite a bit if you are a gamer, that games were basically relegated to "Oh yeah it plays games too" status during the keynote. Sony is really pushing that PS3 as a computer, and not a game system, which makes me hope more than ever before that they they get a big bloody nose this time around. They are arrogant, and do not have the well being of the gaming industry in mind, but instead want to shove their buggy bluray player down everyone's throat.
Post by: Caliban on September 22, 2006, 01:08:10 PM
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Caliban - the price will almost certainly drop for the US core pack, too. Otherwise, it'll be cheaper to import (even taking into account shipping).
Hahaha, read this: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/tgs06-ken-kutaragi-cold-chills-chats-202510.php
Heck I will even quote: "Kutaragi also pretty much confirmed that we won't be seeing a comparative price drop in other territories. According to Ken, the Japanese pricing changes were merely an adjustment to keep the price inline with the market. He argued that the misconception that 1 dollar equals 1 euro equals 100 yen is not a fair comparison."
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 01:20:11 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 22, 2006, 01:33:52 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 01:36:17 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 01:42:36 PM
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the gun was a flame thrower?
Yep, the PS3 is being presented as a multimedia device and it also can be used as a flame thrower.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 02:13:46 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 02:15:11 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 02:18:40 PM
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Yeah, that seems very strange to me. Maybe they're doing it to "appease" the home front. They prob don't want Japanese consumer opinion to turn against them.
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Perhaps, either way though it indicates they are concerned about SOMETHING, just what that something is I don't know. If the development costs for a PS3 are as high as projected, this could end up biting Sony big time later down the line. But we'll see, as of right now it does look like it could have been a move of desparation.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 22, 2006, 02:21:22 PM
They definitely know price was/is an issue with system adoption this time around.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2006, 02:32:56 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 22, 2006, 02:37:21 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 22, 2006, 02:46:54 PM
QuoteVery good point. The arrogance shown by Sony isn't being backed up. Surely a brand new PlayStation console will sell a measly 100K units in Japan on launch week, right? They have no reason to think otherwise - remember, these are the same people that said "The PS3 will sell out at launch even if it doesn't have any games!" With an even lower than expected shipment, it should be safe to assume that they will get rid of the consoles very quickly. Then why the price drop? Maybe when more shipments come in and sales start slowing down, it would be a better decision. This seems really drastic (I think it's the equivalent of a $110 US price drop, and the HDMI cable is included).. Right now, Sony could use all the money they can get their hands on.
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
What I find odd about the Japanese price drop is that they are doing it when there will only be 100,000 units at launch. Unless Sony has gotten stupider (I would not put it past them) they must have felt it would struggle to sell the 100,000 units.
Although, maybe this is to drive up software sales, like Pro said, except not by getting more hardware into the market, but by giving consumers extra money to spend. If the early adopters had set aside a certain amount of money for launch, they might use the extra for more games. And heaven knows Sony needs a good software tie-in ratio, especially with the ridiculous price and the multimedia focus..
Post by: Kairon on September 22, 2006, 04:06:52 PM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 22, 2006, 04:46:56 PM
