Post by: MaryJane on September 16, 2006, 10:11:32 AM
Thanks Sony!
If any of you have access to a friend who works at a game store and can make sure you actually get your PS3 on launch day I would recommend you do the same.
If the PS3 doesn't flop I'm going to own one because it not flopping means not all the games planned for it won't be made into Wii games with fewer polygon counts. And for some reason Sony gets floods and floods of RPG's which are my favorite.
At the same time, I'm not gonna pass up this opportunity. I did the same with XBOX360 except I went halves with someone, but on 3 systems. I made out with $1,700 after paying like ebay costs and all that other nonsense. I'm hoping to make at least that much on 1 PS3.
Then maybe I'll buy my mom her own Wii so she won't play with mine.
i might be used to the name but that still sounds awkward
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 16, 2006, 10:42:14 AM
Joking aside, I too am hoping to do the same. The profit will go straight to my Wii purchases and the rest will go to pay off some credit card debt. Thank u Sony, ur losses on hardware go to my purchases on a Wii a credit debt!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 16, 2006, 10:48:06 AM
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Post by: BigJim on September 16, 2006, 12:24:48 PM
Poor first-day buyers. All those systems being taken out of circulation at normal price.
Post by: stevey on September 16, 2006, 12:41:21 PM
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If any of you have access to a friend who works at a game store and can make sure you actually get your PS3 on launch day I would recommend you do the same.
I would, but I cant since game stop is evil...
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GameStop will start accepting pre-orders for the PS3/Wii on MONDAY SEPTEMBER 18. This will last for ONE WEEK only. Any store can and will stop taking pre-orders at any time (most likely when their limit is reached). I have been advised (and I advise you) to go to the store on Monday and get your pre-order in.
GameStop is NOT ACCEPTING cash, or store credit for your down payment on a pre-order. You HAVE to trade in games or accessories when you pre-order. It must total $50 or more, and it will all go towards your system pre-order. Any money you put down after $50 can be credit, cash, or whatever else GameStop/EB accepts. This applies for both the Wii and the PS3.
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You are GUARANTEED to get a Wii, but the date you get it IS NOT GUARANTEED (he specifically told me that you are not guaranteed to get your system on launch or anytime during the Christmas season).
Stores are going to give out launch systems based on chronological pre-order order. That means if you are the first one to pre-order/reserve your Wii, you will be the first one to get a Wii on launch day.
Reservations are limited to 1 per household.
Post by: wandering on September 16, 2006, 12:45:37 PM
Post by: MaryJane on September 16, 2006, 01:38:39 PM
i feel the itch already.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 16, 2006, 02:13:51 PM
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Remember that profit of that magnitude has to be reported to the IRS as income.
In the US, you are required to report any money you make, period. For example, if you have a yard sale, that money you make is required to be stated on your tax return. But I doubt that a lot of people actually do that.
Post by: jasonditz on September 16, 2006, 03:35:37 PM
Legally though, you're also required to report every penny you find laying on the ground, and every time you go to a friend's house for a free meal. Oh, and if you play an MMO, any loot you get is also taxable.
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Post by: wandering on September 16, 2006, 05:24:57 PM
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well... with a yard sale you're selling things you bought in the past, so unless you're selling them for more than you paid, that's not technically income.
Legally though, you're also required to report every penny you find laying on the ground, and every time you go to a friend's house for a free meal. Oh, and if you play an MMO, any loot you get is also taxable.
My understanding is, (and if I'm wrong, someone correct me) anytime something of worth transfers from one hand to another, the government is entileted to a piece of that pie...UNLESS it falls below a certain value. So, if you give someone a GameCube, no reporting takes place, but you give someone a car, it does. Free meals and stuff would fall below that threshold.
Post by: Arbok on September 16, 2006, 05:25:04 PM
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I'm skeptical of the idea, as it seems to me the number of people sold on the idea of buying a launch PS3 (to play with) is pretty low at the retail price. I'm sure it'll sell out because of all the people intending on putting them on eBay, but unless there are a lot of people willing to pay thousands to get one a few months earlier it seems possible the post-retail market on eBay might get saturated and the price might not be near so appealing.
The thing is, the supply out there is so limited (since eBay is a worldwide market place, you also have to consider some interested European buyers and those from other regions) that it would be hard for the price not to sky rocket and still find interested bidders.
Post by: Donutt007 on September 16, 2006, 05:46:06 PM
There are some people that want to own a PS3 at launch (who knows why) and yes they will pay a high price, but why do people have to take such advantage of them. I am a firm believer in what goes around comes around. If you have enough money to buy three PS3's good for you, some people only have enough to buy 1 with no games, so you are screwing them over.
The thought of selling a PS3 for a much higher price did cross my mind, but I won't do it. I just think it's wrong to do so, so I won't be taking a part in it. The thought of owning every launch game for the Wii, plus all controllers made off of my PS3 profit does sound real tempting, but I think it's just wrong.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 16, 2006, 07:33:11 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 16, 2006, 07:45:12 PM
In my opinion, if you want to pay $600 for a console, let alone more, I'll be even more than happy to take it from you.
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 16, 2006, 08:26:07 PM
Then again people that are willing to pay 2 grand for a 360 are crazy. I wonder how many of those people still have working consoles?
Post by: KDR_11k on September 16, 2006, 08:37:31 PM
So preordering is the same as not preordering except you only get it when one specific store has stock instead of any store in your vincinity? Sounds like a bad deal. From what I've seen from the 360 launch the preorders will be massed at thegame stores and the general stores have surplus stock because noone remembers to go there.
Stores are going to give out launch systems based on chronological pre-order order. That means if you are the first one to pre-order/reserve your Wii, you will be the first one to get a Wii on launch day.
...or at least so they say, we all remember the 360 "the more accessories you have the higher you're on the list" desaster.
Oh, and if you play an MMO, any loot you get is also taxable.
No because you don't own the loot. It can be sold by declaring the process of getting and transferring the loot as a service rendered but the loot itself cannot be sold (unless you want to go to jail for selling stolen goods or maybe defrauding people, depending on what the judge considers that to be).
There are some people that want to own a PS3 at launch (who knows why) and yes they will pay a high price, but why do people have to take such advantage of them.
They're just correcting the price, after all Kutaragi said the PS3 is way too cheap.
Post by: jasonditz on September 16, 2006, 08:41:49 PM
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I'm skeptical of the idea, as it seems to me the number of people sold on the idea of buying a launch PS3 (to play with) is pretty low at the retail price. I'm sure it'll sell out because of all the people intending on putting them on eBay, but unless there are a lot of people willing to pay thousands to get one a few months earlier it seems possible the post-retail market on eBay might get saturated and the price might not be near so appealing.
The thing is, the supply out there is so limited (since eBay is a worldwide market place, you also have to consider some interested European buyers and those from other regions) that it would be hard for the price not to sky rocket and still find interested bidders.
I'm not convinced, from what I've seen that there are 500,000 people interested in buying PS3's to play at $600, let alone enough of a surplus of demand to support people paying thousands for it.
Most of the interest in pre-orders seems to be from people assuming they can get a lot of money for one on ebay, and if that's the case, the strategy most likely while not work.
Post by: jasonditz on September 16, 2006, 08:51:47 PM
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Oh, and if you play an MMO, any loot you get is also taxable.
No because you don't own the loot. It can be sold by declaring the process of getting and transferring the loot as a service rendered but the loot itself cannot be sold (unless you want to go to jail for selling stolen goods or maybe defrauding people, depending on what the judge considers that to be).
Not true of every MMO, some of them specifically do grant you ownership of your items and allow you to sell them. In that case the tax would not be owed simply if you sold the loot, but would be owed when you get it in the first place (at a fair market value), and taxed as "winnings".
But even in the case of ones that don't "allow it", income made from fraud or sale of stolen goods is taxable.
And I'm not sure looting the corpse of the Froglok you just slayed counts as "theft" in a legal sense, anymore than it counts as murder.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 16, 2006, 10:15:44 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 16, 2006, 10:40:47 PM
*shrug* But business always involves risk of some sort.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 16, 2006, 10:42:39 PM
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 16, 2006, 10:45:06 PM
That being said the PS3 doesnt release here till March and by then supply probably wont be much of an issue.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 16, 2006, 11:08:18 PM
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Oh yeah I understand the economics (go go finance major), its just something that I wouldn't personally do. Still you'll have like ten launch games and I'll probably have 3. Many people would say I'm stupid.
That being said the PS3 doesnt release here till March and by then supply probably wont be much of an issue.
Ah my response was more directed at Donutt, I personally don't find it wrong. I figure if people are willing to camp out for hours upon hours to get ahold of something they should be able to do what they want with it. If some really wanted the system they would do the same thing (Heck I did it for Nintendo DS), personally I never have felt cheated if a system I wanted gets sold out and the price is marked up. I remember with PS2 I had that problem but frankly I blamed myself, not the people who were selling it on ebay, if I really wanted it I should have suffered the same as them to get it.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 17, 2006, 01:16:02 AM
After making $100 off of a Limited Edition Nintendog DS and seeing how much ppl were making off of the 360 I am really thinking about doing the same for the PS3 but i really think it is a risk. However I am thinking it is a lot less of a risk for ebaying a Wii, i just see more demand for it come launch.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2006, 01:22:28 AM
Post by: MaryJane on September 17, 2006, 04:21:45 AM
I don't know what you guys are talking about with the low demand of PS3 because everyone I talk to still wants the bloody system.
I hate scalpers too. I paid $150 for $45 tickets to see Tool play. Worth it? every penny.
The people who are going ridiculously priced PS3's are going to feel the same way.
If I were going to scalp tickets, it would never be to a Tool concert, it would be like Coldplay or one of those other immensely popular bands who spew out a carbon copy album every year.
I'd also never "scalp" a Wii I would sell it at price, which is why I'm not buying any extra ones to begin with.
Post by: wandering on September 17, 2006, 08:08:40 AM
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If I were going to scalp tickets, it would never be to a Tool concert, it would be like Coldplay or one of those other immensely popular bands who spew out a carbon copy album every year.
I'd also never "scalp" a Wii I would sell it at price, which is why I'm not buying any extra ones to begin with.
This about mirrors my feelings. I don't want to scre over fellow gamers, true...but if someone is willing to pay $1000 or whatever for a ps3... *shrug*
It's win-win. Or rather, lose-lose, because I believe I can achieve happiness through money and he believes he can achieve happiness through the PS3 - when neither of us are correct and both of us are, in fact, unwittingly shackling ourselves with misery.
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Post by: couchmonkey on September 18, 2006, 06:47:08 AM
But I'm still going to try to sell one or two on Ebay. The whole question of capitalism is an interesting one. Capitalism can be immoral. That being said, I wouldn't compare the PS3 launch to, say, scalping Rolling Stones tickets. The Rolling Stones may die next year and never come to your city again. Even if the Stones don't die next year you may only get one chance to see them in your own city unless you live somewhere like L..A. or New York. PS3s, on the other hand, will be bountiful within a year.
As for the risk, yeah, I think there's a slight risk factor in PS3 due to the high price, but looking at the Xbox 360 and PS2 launches, people seem to be willing to pay a lot more than $600 for a hot console. Is it hot, though? I don't know yet.
Post by: jasonditz on September 18, 2006, 07:55:26 AM
Is making sure concerts are attending only by those with flexible enough schedules to wait in line an issue so pressing that we must throw professional line-waiters in prison? Is the notion of the guy who had to work that morning getting to see the concert so repulsive that we can condemn the entire capitalist system for it?
Post by: Hocotate on September 18, 2006, 08:26:19 AM
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I'm doing it for my general disdain of the stupidity of people....
I paid $150 for $45 tickets to see Tool play.
lol.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 18, 2006, 11:56:15 AM
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The best reason to buy a PS3 is for its top-notch graphics.
But I'm still going to try to sell one or two on Ebay. The whole question of capitalism is an interesting one. Capitalism can be immoral. That being said, I wouldn't compare the PS3 launch to, say, scalping Rolling Stones tickets. The Rolling Stones may die next year and never come to your city again. Even if the Stones don't die next year you may only get one chance to see them in your own city unless you live somewhere like L..A. or New York. PS3s, on the other hand, will be bountiful within a year.
As for the risk, yeah, I think there's a slight risk factor in PS3 due to the high price, but looking at the Xbox 360 and PS2 launches, people seem to be willing to pay a lot more than $600 for a hot console. Is it hot, though? I don't know yet.
But the Xbox 360 has equitable graphical abilities (different innards but they are comparable) to the PS3 so I'm not sure that will be a selling point for PS3. BTW in response to shortages and high prices, all I need to say is "Tickle Me Elmo", people don't care when it comes out all they know is they NEED it now especially for Christmas.
Post by: vudu on September 18, 2006, 12:23:00 PM
Anyone know what happened to people who bought bad 360s on eBay or PSPs with dead pixels?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 18, 2006, 12:35:30 PM
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Anyone know what happens to you if you buy a bum-PS3 on eBay? What with Sony's pretty shabby quality control, it doesn't seem too unlikely that at least a few systems will putter out after a few dozen hours. If you happened to buy it on eBay, you're no longer the original owner, and might not be covered by the warranty. If that was the case, would you be completely screwed?
Anyone know what happened to people who bought bad 360s on eBay or PSPs with dead pixels?
I'm not sure what happens, but I have a feeling you can return them if you have the receipt (which smart sellers include).
Post by: MaryJane on September 18, 2006, 01:33:07 PM
Artists of every nature make most of their money doing concerts, as much as they tell you that the concert is for the fans, it also fills their pockets, although i don't doubt they enjoy watching thousands of people enjoy their music so they make their money already charging a lot then the fans who could have bought tickets on sale day but couldn't because some jerk-wad bought them all get screwed, and that jerk-wad makes money on sometimes years of hard work the band put into making their latest album which they make almost no money off of. on the other hand it does provide a service, so yes i don't see too much of a problem with it myself, the only problem i really have is when they have insane mark-ups, some guys are nice enough to only mark it up $50 or "only" double the amount of the ticket.
but like i said if it's crap and people are willing to buy it, SELL IT!
Post by: jasonditz on September 18, 2006, 03:04:49 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 18, 2006, 03:05:24 PM
Don't ban me! I do it too, I have a long dormant policy that I will overlook piracy of Sony products, but am a little more zealous with Nintendo products.
Oh, and with regards to the artists who perform at concerts... I buy CDs, I don't fileshare! So I'm ethically safe in at least that regard.
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Post by: wandering on September 18, 2006, 03:18:31 PM
I didn't think you could do any worse than comparing Halo to Grave of the Fireflies, but it appears I was mistaken...
Post by: jasonditz on September 18, 2006, 03:40:20 PM
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You're comparing a sale that all parties involved voluntarily agree to... to Nazi Germany?
I thought he was comparing the persecution of the parties in the sale to the persecution of Jews and Gypsies under Nazi Germany.
Post by: wandering on September 18, 2006, 03:46:09 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 18, 2006, 06:24:20 PM
It's NOT about persecuting people, it's about doing unethical acts. If my unethical act hurts someone, then it's so much easier to do that act if the person I'm hurting is someone who I've stripped humanity of. If I emotionally discredit my victim, (i.e. It's nobody I know, or he's an idiot anyways if he wants to pay 2000 bucks) then it's infinitely easier for me to be brutally ruthless and capitalistically callow.
HOWEVER, if my victim is somebody who I can develop empathy with instead of snide contempt, (i.e. people I see everyday, or Nintendo, the company I believe in) then it's much more difficult for me to compromise my own ethical code because my conscience, triggered by my empathy and no longer held in check by my anger/contempt for others, comes into play.
For instance: There is zero difference between selling a $2000 PS3 to a stranger and selling a $2000 PS3 to your uncle so he can give it to little timmy, your cousin. So why is profitting off of some stranger so much more preferable to profitting off of a family member?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 18, 2006, 06:43:06 PM
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Post by: jasonditz on September 18, 2006, 07:17:32 PM
If he wants a PS3 and can't get one for any cheaper than $2000... he is probably quite glad that the option is available to him. Again, the alternative isn't unlimited $600 PS3s for all, it's unavailability. He may well value the PS3 enough that to him, the PS3 is worth $2000... in fact it's fairly clear that he does, or he wouldn't be willing to pay that much.
He's not being swindled, he's going into the transaction with both eyes open. He knows he has the option of waiting a few months and getting one for less, but he'd rather pay more and have it now. Why shouldn't he be able to?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 18, 2006, 07:24:41 PM
Post by: jasonditz on September 18, 2006, 07:33:51 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 18, 2006, 08:45:47 PM
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But the person paying $2000 for a PS3 is not being cheated. He's not "an idiot". Well, he may be, but that's not the reason why.
If he wants a PS3 and can't get one for any cheaper than $2000... he is probably quite glad that the option is available to him. Again, the alternative isn't unlimited $600 PS3s for all, it's unavailability. He may well value the PS3 enough that to him, the PS3 is worth $2000... in fact it's fairly clear that he does, or he wouldn't be willing to pay that much.
He's not being swindled, he's going into the transaction with both eyes open. He knows he has the option of waiting a few months and getting one for less, but he'd rather pay more and have it now. Why shouldn't he be able to?
Oh. Well, yeah, there's no problem with scalping and jacking the price up for stuff if you're merely a part of regular everyday market forces and there are no victims, only happy responsible customers. Viewed this way, anything is ethically scalpable from concert tickets to Wiis.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: MaryJane on September 19, 2006, 04:15:15 AM
It reaches a point where a person is getting screwed. Not on ebay because, the person buying says they are willing to pay this much, they could always not have said $2,000. When you scalp a ticket, sure you can haggle (depending on the situation) but for the most part the price is being dictated to you. And thus, you can get screwed, I've never been to a concert I didn't travel at least half an hour to. what am i supposed to do when the only scalper i see says $150? go back? nope, bend over and take it.
slight difference, but it's there.
Also i'd say someone is being a real d!ck head if there going to screw someone over on something that they also love, or are passionate about.
Post by: jasonditz on September 19, 2006, 05:44:57 AM
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you might want to start looking for aftermarket tickets before the day of the event. It's like going to the airport two hours before your flight to buy tickets, it puts you in a really bad bargaining position.
As long as your service or goods is not necessary such as medication or food, then I think it is fair game. Even with concert tickets no one is telling you to buy it, it still is your choice no one is screwing you but yourself, you are willing to pay even if you are aware of the high mark up value. That is why I never have complained if I wanted to purchase something whether it be a ticket or some other good for a higher price, because the responsibiity is mine and I screwed up by not getting that product when it was first on sale.
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