Post by: Rhoq on September 14, 2006, 08:30:11 AM
http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732748p1.html
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 14, 2006, 08:32:04 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 14, 2006, 08:32:22 AM
Post by: 18 Days on September 14, 2006, 08:32:36 AM
IMPORT TIME!
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 14, 2006, 08:33:32 AM
Post by: Rhoq on September 14, 2006, 08:34:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Well what about third party titles?!
From the article: "The news is likely to be welcomed by import fans, eager to get their hands on games as close to initial release as possible - however, Kaplan also suggested that region-locking on third-party games would be left up to individual publishers."
Post by: Ian Sane on September 14, 2006, 08:35:19 AM
Exactly. Now we can enjoy uncensored Fire Emblem in a language we can't read.
This is minor but cool.
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 14, 2006, 08:35:40 AM
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 14, 2006, 08:38:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"No more being stuck with half ass censored Fire Emblems in English!"
Exactly. Now we can enjoy uncensored Fire Emblem in a language we can't read.
This is minor but cool.
How do you know I can't read what they're saying in FE? Besides, I'm not talking about plot censorship, I'm talking about gameplay censorship. So far, not a single Fire Emblem has made its way outside of Japan without getting the gameplay butchered. An entire mode was taken out of the Gamecube POR. Thank god I imported that sucker.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 14, 2006, 08:39:32 AM
Post by: Rhoq on September 14, 2006, 08:44:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
That sucks. If it was guaranteed that all titles would be region free, I'd just get myself a Japanese Wii so I didn't have to pay $38 friggin' dollars for Wii Sports.
You'd then be spending that $38 on importing and shipping fees
I'm not interested in Wii Sports, either - but I'll be glad to have it.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on September 14, 2006, 08:45:51 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 14, 2006, 11:15:42 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 14, 2006, 11:25:32 AM
Developers can save alot of money by developing the game from the start with multiple languages, and release the game ONCE for the entire world, instead of having to get a secondary team later to do translations...and Nintendo can release a Jump Star game on the Wii with English translation already installed only in Japan, but importers can reap the benefit of the game still.
This could increase sales of all games for Wii world-wide. It is not a little thing...it is quite big.
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 14, 2006, 01:53:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
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This is minor but cool.
Definately more than minor for me. Nearly half of my Cube games are US versions and if I can import to avoid the price gouging I will. I wonder if my GC imports will be able to be played on Wii then?
Post by: Donutt007 on September 14, 2006, 02:26:11 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 14, 2006, 02:30:15 PM
First the $60 controller, and now region-free?? I should just go buy a PS3. look at me, I'm contrarian!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 14, 2006, 02:42:30 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 14, 2006, 07:05:52 PM
and not minor in any way (as spak said)
all I need now are my Mai-HiME and Alliance vs ZAFT II Plus games (announced and) released =D
Post by: RickPowers on September 14, 2006, 07:17:45 PM
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2006, 07:43:15 PM
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Geez, can you screw us anymore Nintendo?
Right. Nintendo SAYS publishers can choose whether or not they want region-locking...but doesn't that imply region-locking will cost more? I'm sure ALOT if not MOST publishers will want that region locking...and here Nintendo is trying to force what they want down dev's and publisher's throats by saying that, if you want this standard feature, you'll have to pay more money. Now, do I want games to be region free? Personally, I don't care. I don't import games so whther or not they are region locked doesn't matter to me. But I bet devs WILL care, which will lead to less third party support. Really, this is starting to look like the Cube all over again. Actually, it's stuff like this that is the reason I won't be buying a Wii at launch. I can't guarantee that the console will be a success - why should I risk $250 when I'm not even sure the conosle will do well?
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 14, 2006, 10:38:31 PM
@Donut if it was blanket region-free I would definately import a Wii from the US, but if it turns out that only say 50% of games are region free it may not be worth it.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 15, 2006, 03:32:17 AM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 15, 2006, 10:36:37 AM
http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732982p1.html
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2006, 10:46:18 AM
And I hope they figure it out by looking online at all the people saying region free kicks muthaf*cking booty.
Also, wandering. Are you f*cking kidding me?
You know who cares about region locking? About 3% of the entire gaming population. Maybe 5%.
There will not be one person out there who isn't in that 3% bitching about it. No soccer moms are going to ask the clerk at Gamestop if it is region locked. "Region locked! Wtf! I'm getting you a PSP, Timmy."
Seriously. You might as well complain that the box it is being shipped in is cardboard. Cuz cardboard smells bad after a while if it gets wet. That might be a more legitimate reason to be whiny about something insignificant.
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2006, 11:12:00 AM
QuoteThat's the biggest shame of it all.
Speaking exclusively with IGN at Nintendo's European Wii press event in London, Yarnton confirmed that Wii games and online content will be region-encoded, meaning European gamers won't be able to play titles from the US and Japan and vice-versa.
Post by: AnyoneEB on September 15, 2006, 11:22:25 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 15, 2006, 11:40:33 AM
But does this mean if I import a Japanese Wii, I'll be able to download Japanese only games off the Virtual Console. Because one way or another I'm going to get Fire Emblem Thracia 776 when it appears on the Virtual Console. Nintendo's not going to keep me from finally getting to play that game.
Post by: RickPowers on September 15, 2006, 11:50:54 AM
For NTSC regions, the machine has the ability to be region locked, but it's up the software to enforce it, much like a DVD player does. If the game is region free, the Wii won't care, but it will enforce a region code if one exists.
Post by: Aussiedude on September 15, 2006, 12:27:15 PM
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Originally posted by: RickPowers
This is just miscommunication. The PAL Wii won't be region free only because PAL hardware doesn't work on NTSC tvs, and vice-versa. So Nintendo of Europe just decided to enforce the region lock to simplify it.
Im sorry Rick you are wrong. While im not sure if NTSC TVs will play PAL, all modern PAL TVs (not older than 10 yrs, even older in most cases) will play NTSC (this was done mainly as a lot of movie DVD's are released here in NTSC format). So I dont even see why Nintendo must release games in PAL let alone put on a region lock for this reason. The last MP GCN disk was released here (Australia) in NTSC.
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Post by: Aussiedude on September 15, 2006, 12:34:09 PM
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Originally posted by: wanderingQuote
Geez, can you screw us anymore Nintendo?
Right. Nintendo SAYS publishers can choose whether or not they want region-locking...but doesn't that imply region-locking will cost more? I'm sure ALOT if not MOST publishers will want that region locking...and here Nintendo is trying to force what they want down dev's and publisher's throats by saying that, if you want this standard feature, you'll have to pay more money. Now, do I want games to be region free? Personally, I don't care. I don't import games so whther or not they are region locked doesn't matter to me. But I bet devs WILL care, which will lead to less third party support. Really, this is starting to look like the Cube all over again. Actually, it's stuff like this that is the reason I won't be buying a Wii at launch. I can't guarantee that the console will be a success - why should I risk $250 when I'm not even sure the conosle will do well?
I agree. Im seriously considering cancelling my pre-order, unless the prices for the controllers in Australia have been misquoted ($100 AUD WTF). At this price it aint much cheapr than the X360 premium here in Australia (only about 30 USD at tops). GCN was a TOTAL FLOP here, at these (not so)Wii prices the Wii is sure to follow.
Post by: RickPowers on September 15, 2006, 01:07:47 PM
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Originally posted by: AussiedudeQuote
Originally posted by: RickPowers
This is just miscommunication. The PAL Wii won't be region free only because PAL hardware doesn't work on NTSC tvs, and vice-versa. So Nintendo of Europe just decided to enforce the region lock to simplify it.
Im sorry Rick you are wrong. While im not sure if NTSC TVs will play PAL, all modern PAL TVs (not older than 10 yrs, even older in most cases) will play NTSC (this was done mainly as a lot of movie DVD's are released here in NTSC format). So I dont even see why Nintendo must release games in PAL let alone put on a region lock for this reason. The last MP GCN disk was released here (Australia) in NTSC.
I'm pretty sure I said PAL hardware. Where exactly am I wrong, again? If the Wii can only output a PAL signal, then it doesn't matter what the TV is capable of, right?
Post by: Aussiedude on September 15, 2006, 01:25:11 PM
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Originally posted by: RickPowersQuote
Originally posted by: AussiedudeQuote
Originally posted by: RickPowers
This is just miscommunication. The PAL Wii won't be region free only because PAL hardware doesn't work on NTSC tvs, and vice-versa. So Nintendo of Europe just decided to enforce the region lock to simplify it.
Im sorry Rick you are wrong. While im not sure if NTSC TVs will play PAL, all modern PAL TVs (not older than 10 yrs, even older in most cases) will play NTSC (this was done mainly as a lot of movie DVD's are released here in NTSC format). So I dont even see why Nintendo must release games in PAL let alone put on a region lock for this reason. The last MP GCN disk was released here (Australia) in NTSC.
I'm pretty sure I said PAL hardware. Where exactly am I wrong, again? If the Wii can only output a PAL signal, then it doesn't matter what the TV is capable of, right?
PAL hardware doesn't work on NTSC tvs, and vice-versa. This is wrong, NTSC ie vice-versa hardware DOES work on PAL TV's (over 99% of them at least). Our TVs are multi system, heck mine even plays SECAM.
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 15, 2006, 02:26:31 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 15, 2006, 03:15:27 PM
Quotein the interview ign had with the guy, they said that Kaplan in the US said so, and the guy told them that was a mistake.....why didn't he say that that would be US only thing then? =S
Originally posted by: RickPowers
This is just miscommunication. The PAL Wii won't be region free only because PAL hardware doesn't work on NTSC tvs, and vice-versa. So Nintendo of Europe just decided to enforce the region lock to simplify it.
For NTSC regions, the machine has the ability to be region locked, but it's up the software to enforce it, much like a DVD player does. If the game is region free, the Wii won't care, but it will enforce a region code if one exists.
and yes, PAL TVs are multinorm nowadays (all TVs here have always been....) so that kind of lock doesn't make any sense.....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 15, 2006, 04:57:00 PM
Hence the region lock outs.
Post by: Aussiedude on September 15, 2006, 05:50:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Rick is saying that PAL Wii's might NOT EVEN OUTPUT NTSC AT ALL.
Hence the region lock outs.
GEEZ I feel like beeing highly insulting at the momernt but I will refrain...
I will put it simply so even a 2 YO could understand...
CASE 1
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USA Wii - output NTSC
Take USA Wii with NTSC output and plug it into an Austalian/UK/Europe PAL TV.
The PAL TV AUTOMATICALY detects the input as NTSC and switches to display NTSC.
CASE 2
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JAP Wii - output NTSC
Same as case 1.
CASE 3
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Australin/UK/Europe Wii - OUTPUT PAL
Take Australin/UK/Europe Wii and plug it into a USA NTSC
Well Im not american so I cant say for sure if your TV's will detect PAL.
This may not work an all TVs in America as they like to reject foreign standards, (but I believe it will on most TVs), but its not the point. People in USA would not import PAL games. No need, you get them first and cheaper.
So there is absolutley no case for region coding USA NTSC discs, they will work everywhere. There is also no need to even have PAL discs. Nintendo realised this when they released the last Metroid prime for the Game Cube in Australia, it was region coded BUT NTSC format.
Post by: wandering on September 15, 2006, 06:02:06 PM
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Also, wandering. Are you f*cking kidding me?
Probably.
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2006, 06:03:17 PM
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