Post by: Rhoq on September 08, 2006, 03:00:23 PM
New deatils on UbiSoft's GT Pro Series including screenshots of the cell-shaded racer plus the steering wheel attachment, which is confirmed to work with most (if not all) racers that will use the Wii-mote as a steering wheel, including Nintendo's own Excite Truck.
Post by: King of Twitch on September 08, 2006, 03:15:50 PM
Post by: capamerica on September 08, 2006, 03:18:37 PM
I almost feel sorry for Sony since the PS3 is the Only next gen system not getting a version of Spliner Cell: Double Agent. The PS3 owners can only play it by playing the ugly looking PS2 version.
GT Pro doesn't impress me much, it looks like Auto Modellista.
Post by: Deguello on September 08, 2006, 03:28:39 PM
I know way too much about a game I hate.
Post by: Caliban on September 08, 2006, 03:36:43 PM
Attachment looks cool.
Another Splinter? Meh. I will read many reviews before I purchase it.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 08, 2006, 03:52:14 PM
Post by: wandering on September 08, 2006, 04:14:42 PM
Sterring wheel, finally. Looks awesome.
Games don't look bad. I know it's cliche to hide lower horespower with cel-shading, but, hey it works. The racer is looking snazzier than carbon. Oh, and Splinter Cell isn't looking bad.
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with most (if not all) racers
Well, it won't work with Carbon (pointing at an on-screen steering wheel and dragging it around ftw!)
Post by: Mario on September 08, 2006, 04:14:58 PM
FREE steering wheel too! I hope it gives more turning
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 08, 2006, 05:13:43 PM
GT Pro Series is very much like Grand Turismo, it uses real cars and simulates real driving. I think it is more important in this case to differentiate yourself with visual style than to be compared directly to the other racer.
It is a very smart move.
Post by: Crimm on September 08, 2006, 05:27:00 PM
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Joystiq... decieved.
Hey they apologized!
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The worst part is, we understand that it was our hard-earned credibility that contributed to this excitement cocktail.
Which leads me to ask, what part of posting unconfirmed rumors and editorials from PSM as fact is the "hard-earning" of credibility?
Post by: Pale on September 08, 2006, 05:30:47 PM
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Post by: Arbok on September 08, 2006, 06:07:52 PM
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so are the Splinter Cell screenshots photoshopped or not? Im bad at recognizing this things. It looks a lot better than what Ive come to expect from games for the console.
It's Ubisoft, so much like the Red Steel ones you can pretty much be assured that they are.
Post by: JonLeung on September 08, 2006, 06:12:09 PM
But from what I've seen people doing in real-life cars (even in non-racing driving) and in arcade racing cabinets, I don't see how the steering wheel would work other than for basic steering - since it's not actually attached to anything.
It'd be hard if not impossible to perform hand-over-hand motions, one-handed palm spins, or simply letting the wheel slide through your hands. Without a central pivot or whatever it's like you're just going to be doing tilts.
Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about - I've done that from time to time. I guess it could be better than just holding the remote. But like the whole uncanny valley discussion, I feel it makes it closer to a steering wheel all right...but the fact that one has to hold the whole thing up and that it lacks a pivot of its own will probably make me drive worse than I already do - or at least not any better. Good thing it's probably cheap enough to not increase the price of the game it comes with - and optional for gameplay.
Now did I sound as stupid as I think I do? (Regardless, I should probably get a car.)
Post by: Kairon on September 08, 2006, 06:14:46 PM
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Post by: Mario on September 08, 2006, 06:18:07 PM
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I don't like racing games - I don't even currently drive a car. So you may slap me if what I say next doesn't make sense.
But from what I've seen people doing in real-life cars (even in non-racing driving) and in arcade racing cabinets, I don't see how the steering wheel would work other than for basic steering - since it's not actually attached to anything.
It'd be hard if not impossible to perform hand-over-hand motions, one-handed palm spins, or simply letting the wheel slide through your hands. Without a central pivot or whatever it's like you're just going to be doing tilts.
Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about - I've done that from time to time. I guess it could be better than just holding the remote. But like the whole uncanny valley discussion, I feel it makes it closer to a steering wheel all right...but the fact that one has to hold the whole thing up and that it lacks a pivot of its own will probably make me drive worse than I already do - or at least not any better. Good thing it's probably cheap enough to not increase the price of the game it comes with - and optional for gameplay.
Now did I sound as stupid as I think I do? (Regardless, I should probably get a car.)
It's just a more comfortable way to use the controller in that position.
Post by: UncleBob on September 08, 2006, 06:23:11 PM
Post by: trip1eX on September 08, 2006, 07:25:16 PM
Yeah right. The 'Cube versions of most Tom Clancy games by Ubi were half-ass ports. I just don't see Ubi really taking time to do a proper Wii game with Splinter Cell. I see that alot with other 3rd party stuff. A couple of 'em are putting in the time. But many are just tacking on a couple of Wiimote gestures. I hope they understand that's the recipe for failure.
Then there's that steering wheel. A 5 cent piece of plastic. Ok it's good for a couple laughs. But seriously I rather have a real racing wheel. I can only wish that the game is compatible with the Logitech SpeedForce wheel I have for the 'Cube. (Of course it won't be, but...)
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 08, 2006, 08:02:09 PM
and Splinter Cell.....not really surprised....actually I'm surprised they took this long to announce it....
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 08, 2006, 08:12:21 PM
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From the Ubi press release. "....... The Splinter Cell franchise has always translated very well across multiple platforms."
Yeah right. The 'Cube versions of most Tom Clancy games by Ubi were half-ass ports. I just don't see Ubi really taking time to do a proper Wii game with Splinter Cell. I see that alot with other 3rd party stuff. A couple of 'em are putting in the time. But many are just tacking on a couple of Wiimote gestures. I hope they understand that's the recipe for failure.
O RLY? Tell that to Sony...
In all seriousness, one of the reasons the PSone and PS2 were so successful was because they featured a HUGE library of games. True, many of them were uninspired pieces of crap, but in the end what the consumer will see is a HUGE library of games to explore, thus making the console really attractive and even worth buying.
The Gamecube library had a lot of triple A titles, but it was the lack of third party support that killed it because consumers were attracted to the PS family's library of games rather than Nintendo's handful of great games.
Also, the DS is filled with games that are made to cash in on the success of the handheld and yet that hasn't stopped the handheld from becoming a worldwide phenomenon.
The same thing happened to the NES, the SNES and the Gameboy. All of them had a massive library of games, but about a 100 of them were actually worth playing, but in the end it was the variety of games that impressed the consumers, not the quality.
So while I agree with your logic that the Wii needs top rate third party games they also need a lot of titles from the start in order to make the console more appealing to the consumer.
I admit I am not a big fan of Splinter Cell and I prefer the Metal gear series, SC is a well known franchise, and having it at launch will make it even more impressive, so I am all for it.
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Then there's that steering wheel. A 5 cent piece of plastic. Ok it's good for a couple laughs. But seriously I rather have a real racing wheel. I can only wish that the game is compatible with the Logitech SpeedForce wheel I have for the 'Cube. (Of course it won't be, but...)
I honestly don't see why you are so annoyed by this. It does look a bit silly, but it will be bundled with the game, it will work with the other racing games available at launch and it's wireless. I have to see how it works before passing judgement on it, but again this is something that will help Nintendo along.
Post by: IceCold on September 08, 2006, 08:20:13 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 08, 2006, 08:23:45 PM
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Splinter Cell does look quite impressive - even though those are probably doctored, I think it will turn out well..
Didn't splinter cell look really good on Xbox? If so I wouldn't be surprised if those pics weren't doctored.
Post by: Crimm on September 08, 2006, 08:38:50 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 08, 2006, 10:35:42 PM
Having a freehand floaty steering wheel... is kinda weird. I do believe it'll allow for a better grip and control over your tilt angles, but a steering wheel that ISN'T anchored... is kinda weird. Definitely gets novelty points.
Now, the Logitech SpeedForce wheel is a great gadget. BUT, it's difficult to utilize for extended periods or multiple sessions without a suitable seating arrangement, which is a problem with all steering wheels. There's a lot of trouble/effort/luck to go thru to make it "feel" right. And yes, using your lap sucks.
I believe the Splinter Cell shots are authentic, just as much as the Red Steel shots. The only problem is they're SUPER HUGE, which i think falls in line with Ubi's usual high-rez PR tactics. I've no clue if the high-rezness will actually translate to any benefits in the real-world, since they could be high-rez just for the sake of press distribution on the interweb. And if you look at the dimensions of the shots, they have a ~1.25 ratio -- PAL TV ratio -- which makes sense for Ubi since they're a bunch of nutty Euro nutcases, which includes Canadia Land.
Post by: trip1eX on September 09, 2006, 05:32:18 AM
Ubi is putting out alot of games. Ubi put out alot of half-ass 'Cube ports. So expect many of their Wii games to be crap. Let's not stray away from reality here. Just because a 3rd party is making a game for the Wii doesn't mean it will be good. I'm not trying to be negative, but realistic. Some of these Ubi games will be half-ass ports.
I have a feeling that Splinter Cell will be the biggest offender. IT's just announced too late in the game and the 'Cube version ini which they are tacking on the gestures was probably no more than a half-ass port. I hope it's not so. But I don't have a lot of faith there.
The plastic wheel is the very definition of a sparkling innovation. I admit it will be fun to try out and I shouldn't have compared it to a racing wheel because obviously a racing wheel is far more money (well unless you're like me and picked up the SpeedForce/pedals for $10 new) and a real gaming wheel delivers a far better experience than the wiimote ever could in a 5 cent piece of plastic. The way I see it is that using a 5 cent piece of plastic isn't an upgrade to my racing experience.
Post by: jasonditz on September 09, 2006, 05:50:01 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 09, 2006, 08:52:05 AM
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Splinter Cell on the Wii will look pretty much like on the Gamecube with slight enhancements here and there.
Ubi is putting out alot of games. Ubi put out alot of half-ass 'Cube ports. So expect many of their Wii games to be crap. Let's not stray away from reality here. Just because a 3rd party is making a game for the Wii doesn't mean it will be good. I'm not trying to be negative, but realistic. Some of these Ubi games will be half-ass ports.
I have a feeling that Splinter Cell will be the biggest offender. IT's just announced too late in the game and the 'Cube version ini which they are tacking on the gestures was probably no more than a half-ass port. I hope it's not so. But I don't have a lot of faith there.
The plastic wheel is the very definition of a sparkling innovation. I admit it will be fun to try out and I shouldn't have compared it to a racing wheel because obviously a racing wheel is far more money (well unless you're like me and picked up the SpeedForce/pedals for $10 new) and a real gaming wheel delivers a far better experience than the wiimote ever could in a 5 cent piece of plastic. The way I see it is that using a 5 cent piece of plastic isn't an upgrade to my racing experience.
I agree that not ALL third party games will be high caliber. The reality is that it's very rare for a third party game, much less a third party game to be released on all major consoles, to be console a triple A game. But all I'm saying is that the Wii getting this much third party support is a good thing that will help the console along.
Like I already told you, the NES, the GB family, the DS and the Playstation family of consoles were ripe with third party games of questionable quality, some of them being the worst ever created, but in the end what people pay attention to the most was the fact that they had a huge library of games full of variety. People sometimes look at the consoles available and the ones that pleases them the most are the ones with the huge library of games. Both the N64 and the GC had small libraries and lacked that third party support. True, the small library they had were filled with some of the best games ever but in the end to some people quantity comes first, quality second.
So all I'm saying is that seeing the Wii getting this much support from a major third party company (you can question the quality of their games, but there's no denying that Ubisoft if an important company with some history under their belt) at the beginning of the console's life is actually a good thing and may inspire other third parties to support the Wii later on.
As for the steering wheel, I admit that it isn't all that impressive but people are making too much of a deal over this. If you don't want it, just don't buy it or don't use it. It's a simple as that.
If I am not mistaken, the light gun shell planned for the Wii is that, a shell that you can connect your Wii controller and make it act as a gun. Same deal with this, connect the controller so that it acts as a steering wheel.
So again, people are making mountains out of molehills with this. I honestly doubt this will affect the overall console and it's quality. I seldom remember a third party pheriperal that has affected the quality of a console. If that was the case, then I'm sure the NES would've died the minute R.O.B was released :p .
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 09, 2006, 10:26:12 PM
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so are the Splinter Cell screenshots photoshopped or not? Im bad at recognizing this things. It looks a lot better than what Ive come to expect from games for the console.
It's Ubisoft, so much like the Red Steel ones you can pretty much be assured that they are.
lol whut? Red Steel looks as good in motion as it did in the first "screenshots" if you ask me.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 11, 2006, 08:01:30 AM
The second the remote was revealed people suggested the idea of using it like a steering wheel and immediately people brought up the "floating steering wheel" issue so it's nothing new. That's just a general Wii controller issue and has nothing to do with Ubisoft or their attachment. The real issue is the lack of a point of reference which applies to every Wii game that uses motion control.
Too bad the racing game looks horrible though. Those graphics don't look good at all. They're dark and blurry but that might be a poor screenshot. At least Ubisoft gives us some screenshots unlike a certain other developer we know.
Post by: Arbok on September 11, 2006, 10:00:27 AM
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lol whut? Red Steel looks as good in motion as it did in the first "screenshots" if you ask me.
I was impressed when I say the screen shots, and that E3 demo video that was set up, but seeing the game in motion from Leipzig has left me much less hyped about that aspect. I wouldn't call it bad by any regards, but it does not look nearly as polished as everything else of it I had seen of it before.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2006, 10:56:26 AM
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lol whut? Red Steel looks as good in motion as it did in the first "screenshots" if you ask me.
I was impressed when I say the screen shots, and that E3 demo video that was set up, but seeing the game in motion from Leipzig has left me much less hyped about that aspect. I wouldn't call it bad by any regards, but it does not look nearly as polished as everything else of it I had seen of it before.
I heard the Lepzig build really was not that different from the E3 one and that the more complete one hasn't been revealed yet. Even at that my biggest problem with the graphics is the goofy lighting effects around the people.
Post by: RickPowers on September 11, 2006, 11:15:31 AM
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It's really just a hunk of plastic. Probably costs five cents to make. These types of things could be interesting novelties that could be included in game preorders and what not.
Actually, it's a hunk of FOAM. It probably costs more to package it than it does to make it. Without any real weight to speak of, I can't see this being very useful. I'd rather hold the controller than this.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 11, 2006, 11:40:26 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 11, 2006, 11:55:13 AM
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Hunk of foam? Okay then it sucks.
Tell me you knew he was talking about the shipping/packaging materials, and you were being sarcastic.
Frankly, I do believe the steering attachment makes the Remote easier to grasp, in a more relaxed way, rather than pinching the ends all the time.
Post by: JonLeung on September 11, 2006, 12:17:51 PM
If only to say "my Wii is equipped with Thrustmaster!"
Post by: Ian Sane on September 11, 2006, 12:33:57 PM
I thought he meant the wheel is made out of foam instead of plastic like originally thought.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 11, 2006, 01:04:10 PM
Foam would suck. I mean RE4 on PS2 suck. Totally foam would suck.
But Foam covering a heavy plastic or metal skeleton would be fantastic. Then I could throw it like Batman. Not like Ian, but like BATMAN.
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Post by: Kairon on September 12, 2006, 02:32:04 PM
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Just so that there is no miscommunication ... the steering wheel "accessory" is made up entirely of foam. There is no plastic core or anything like that. It would feel a lot like those floaty stick toys you can find at a public water park.
*ahem*
In my best General Pepper voice:
"WHAAAAAAAAAAATTT?"
Oh well. It's still a freebie. The thing that's still most exciting for the Wiimote accessories anyways will be the things like a fishing reel wheel thingy, a microphone, a wii-tar (guitar) or other such concepts that take advantage to change the dynamic of how players interact with the game rather than how they hold the controller.
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Post by: thejeek on September 12, 2006, 11:29:20 PM
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floaty stick toys you can find at a public water park.
Eeeeooh! The brown smelly ones?
Post by: RickPowers on September 14, 2006, 01:10:31 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 14, 2006, 06:45:35 PM
great
Post by: IceCold on October 19, 2006, 02:18:30 PM
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The attachment comes at no extra charge along with both GT Pro Series and Monster 4X4, and - call us crazy - it seriously works. The shell itself has a very solid feel (To be honest I personally was expecting a hollow piece of junk, simply because it doesn't need any internal guts to weigh it down), and it feels great to wrap your hands around a larger and more accurate wheel representation
