Post by: RickPowers on September 07, 2006, 11:13:06 AM
With Nintendo having a major event in less than a week, what could possibly be announced this early? Is it simply an NDA being lifted? I originally thought it was hogwash, but given Apple just unleashed new products right before a major event, it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
What do you guys think? A new game announcement? Pricing? Date? Perhaps the "yet to be revealed feature" Miyamoto and others keep teasing us with?
Edit: Changed Time Zone to Eastern. My bad.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 07, 2006, 11:26:16 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 07, 2006, 11:27:50 AM
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Maybe it's something they know people will react badly to, so they want to get it out early so it doesn't choke out all other news at the event. You know, like the name.
Oh god, not AGAIN...
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 07, 2006, 11:28:31 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 07, 2006, 11:35:28 AM
The way Joystiq reports it, they sound like they already know the news, and it's not bad...but that's just my take. Maybe Nintendo is going to give us the release date and price so that we can focus on the games on Sept. 14th? Maybe Super Paper Mario is a launch title. Maybe Virtual Console pricing? Maybe if I keep guessing, one of them will be right!
Post by: Ian Sane on September 07, 2006, 11:36:40 AM
It might be something like Super Paper Mario being moved to the Wii or something like that. At this point sites are going to hype up ANY Wii news since everything's so hush-hush. It's probably an NDA considering that midnight is an odd time to annouce stuff. That sounds like something expiring and sites giving up the info as soon as possible.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 07, 2006, 11:38:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
When I first saw the subject title I was thinking "oh what unfounded rumour is being spread now." Then I saw Rick'sname I was like "HOLY SH!T!!!"
It might be something like Super Paper Mario being moved to the Wii or something like that. At this point sites are going to hype up ANY Wii news since everything's so hush-hush. It's probably an NDA considering that midnight is an odd time to annouce stuff. That sounds like something expiring and sites giving up the info as soon as possible.
Super Paper Mario is already confirmed to be moving to Wii, Matt said so in his last N-Query.
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2006, 11:38:53 AM
Besides, if it was Wii nes, wouldn't PGC have received the same information? All sites that have received the info seem to be multi-platform sites...
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 07, 2006, 11:39:58 AM
Post by: RickPowers on September 07, 2006, 11:42:04 AM
As for Joystiq, I'm pretty sure their policy is to never sign an NDA. Either them or Kotaku, or both ... I can't remember for sure.
Post by: RickPowers on September 07, 2006, 11:45:10 AM
"But, you know, we've got a few goodies planned over the next week. People who whine that we're only going to post Monkey Mini Madness movies now will be eating their words tomorrow and beyond. Nothing of megatonian proportions just yet - although people interested in Madden and Rayman will be happy early next week, methinks - but some good, solid info on some anticipated Wii games nevertheless. We may even announce a new game this week. And hey, maybe we'll show you a new attachment. Am I dropping enough hints here for you? I won't write anymore as I'm sure everything will fall through now that I've teased it, anyway."
I've seen stories about a clip on steering wheel controller, and it seems like a bunch of game announcements are all trickling out. I'm putting my money on a new game IP. At least, I would be if I bet on anything other than poker.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 07, 2006, 11:49:27 AM
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2006, 11:50:17 AM
After all, IGN themselves said that they already had to turn away Publisher exclusives and News stories because they're just so chock full of news. IGN could easily have a different piece of news than the news Joystiq is trumpeting.
And I'm still unconvinced that this is Wii specific news. It could very well be a XBox360 Wand controller or a new PS3 Game, or even a new Bungie title to appear on X360!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 11:58:43 AM
...I keep saying that, and I keep not seeing it.
edit: a bit off topic, but, it seems like Matt is almost openly admitting publishers pay for ign coverage:
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I've already had to turn two publishers down for top story placement because we're already booked solid for some Wii coverage.
Post by: RickPowers on September 07, 2006, 12:10:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
A new game announcement is not necessarily the same as the news that Joystqi and Kotaku claim to have received under orders of not revealing it until midnight.
Show me that "claim". There is no such thing. As I said, I'm fairly certain that they don't sign NDAs, so if they had information, they'd post it. They don't cut sweetheart deals with game companies like IGN and GameSpot does. Kotaku mentions that it was sent out to a bunch of newspapers and magazines under embargo, but not that it was actually sent to Kotaku.
I also wouldn't be surprised to find out someone leaked it days ago, and it's been largely ignored. Again, I can't see how a blanket embargo wouldn't have someone spilling the beans to a friend, then to another friend, until it gets onto the internet.
For what it's worth, Kotaku is saying that we'll find the information fascinating, but it's still not what we're looking for, suggesting that it is NOT the price/date announcement.
Post by: Djunknown on September 07, 2006, 12:12:49 PM
For the chronologically impaired like me: 12:00 pacific= 3:00 a.m EST? Might as well wait until tomorrow then.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2006, 12:14:02 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 07, 2006, 12:14:59 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
New Miyamoto IP?
...I keep saying that, and I keep not seeing it.
edit: a bit off topic, but, it seems like Matt is almost openly admitting publishers pay for ign coverage:Quote
I've already had to turn two publishers down for top story placement because we're already booked solid for some Wii coverage.
Uhhh...you familiar with entertainment journalism at all? IGN is a news site, but not in the sense of CNN or the New York Times. Their news is all entertainment related, and generally things like facts and accuracy aren't problematic (there's no reason/way to manipulate the news, usually). They also function as an entertainment site, not just news. This means that, like a magazine, a publisher will come and say "Hey! We've got an amazing new game buy you can't play it/cover it unless you agree to give it top billing." If IGN says they can't do that this week they may go to GameSpot, etc. It's not about money.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 07, 2006, 12:21:10 PM
Most likely he meant that Super Paper Mario is moved to the Wii, however, could he have been teasing us, letting us know that a new Paper Mario RPG is being made for the Wii? You know it wouldn't be the first time Matt has hinted at crazy stuff.
Also important to note is that he wasn't sure if this new game will be able to be announced this week or not, it sounded like it could fall through. If anything I figure Thursday night is a better date to release new information than Friday, as it becomes the talk all Friday and into the weekend. So if its coming it will be tonight.
Finally, he hinted that videos and news stories about Rayman and Madden will be coming soon. That could mean much more information about all Ubisoft and EA games. I really want information about SSX Wii, and I am curious about Rayman as I haven't yet decided what to do about that game.
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 12:28:41 PM
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Uhhh...you familiar with entertainment journalism at all?
Obviously not! Your explanation makes sense.
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Maybe it's something they know people will react badly to
Well, the Wii's price will likely be "bad" in that it probably won't be $169.99 or whatever. Not that I think the price will be announced tonight....
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2006, 12:32:29 PM
Well the thing is, the IS team that does the Paper Mario games is obviously doing Super Paper Mario...I would find it fairly surprising if they were working on two games at once...
(This is, of course, assuming that the series isn't outsourced to another developer, which I don't really see happening...)
Post by: RickPowers on September 07, 2006, 12:35:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
This means that, like a magazine, a publisher will come and say "Hey! We've got an amazing new game buy you can't play it/cover it unless you agree to give it top billing." If IGN says they can't do that this week they may go to GameSpot, etc. It's not about money.
If you don't think money changes hands, then you're deluding yourself. IGN is a corporation, and the focus is on the bottom line, not "journalistic integrity". While I'd prefer that they label any previews or features as such (like when they agree to run the info in exchange for an exclusive on future stories, or for a certain amount of advertising on the site), I have a feeling that you'd see the majority of the non-news stories labeled as such.
And please stop calling it journalism. It's not. It's not even close.
Post by: Caliban on September 07, 2006, 12:38:52 PM
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Originally posted by: RickPowers
IGN, Joystiq, and several other sites are all "reporting" that there is major console news being announced tonight at Midnight (Pacific Time).
On Joystiq, it says Eastern.
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 12:46:24 PM
I hope it's good news about the Wii, obviously. If it's bad news, that would suck, but hopefully that's as unlikely as I think. If it's bad news for the PS3, it's par for the course or whatever, if it's good news, it's still unlikely to turn the tide. I don't really care about the Xbox 360 so I doubt I'll care no matter what, especially if it's another new wireless accessory or a new but generic game or something like that.
Then again maybe I'm doubting it all. If it's MAJOR, then I SHOULD care, whatever it is for whichever console it is, but then I'm hyping it up, now aren't I?
All I THINK I care about is the Wii launch date and price, but if they announce even one of the two, aren't they killing the point of their event next week?
EDIT: If it's Eastern Time, and I live in Mountain Time, does that mean I might catch it very shortly after 10:00 PM? I could always stay up late - but not much later than that unless I'm sure it really IS MAJOR...in which case I might not be able to sleep. >_<
Post by: ShyGuy on September 07, 2006, 12:49:08 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 07, 2006, 12:55:47 PM
Post by: RickPowers on September 07, 2006, 01:03:59 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2006, 01:13:21 PM
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The embargoed news was sent out to a bunch of newspapers and websites with the understanding that no one would print the information until first thing in the morning.
According to them, they HAVE received the news but are instructed to not post it.
Oh, and conspiracy theorists take note:
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While I’m sure you will all find it endlessly fascinating, in the end it really won’t get you any closer to the news most people want to know.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: RickPowers on September 07, 2006, 01:16:52 PM
By the way, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Where in that quote does it say that Kotaku has the information? It's clear that they do, and could be under the same embargo, or they could simply be respecting someone's wishes by maintaining the confidence. Skilled writers use that kind of stuff all the time. Leave yourself enough room to wiggle out of.
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 01:18:41 PM
And do we know that it's good news? It just seems more likely than bad. If it was bad news that had to be released, they'd just let it out and get it over with instead of hyping it up and holding it 'til tomorrow.
Post by: Adrock on September 07, 2006, 01:22:46 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2006, 01:26:21 PM
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Final Fantasy? Could be, but I doubt it. The line from them about having a "wee bit of analysis" was far more intriging.
By the way, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Where in that quote does it say that Kotaku has the information? It's clear that they do, and could be under the same embargo, or they could simply be respecting someone's wishes by maintaining the confidence. Skilled writers use that kind of stuff all the time. Leave yourself enough room to wiggle out of.
Ah. You're right, it may be that Kotaku itself does not have this information. However, they do seem to have the information that this info was given out under the expectation that it wouldn't be posted until X time.
Either way, we've still no proof that this is Wii news.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 01:33:05 PM
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If you don't think money changes hands, then you're deluding yourself.
Or maybe I do know something about entertainment journal....err...(light propaganda?) after all.
Anyway. The fact that it was sent out to newspapers is telling....telling what, I'm not entirely sure. It means it's not something like Mario Hoops Wii, though, right? And maybe instead something like....price? Mmm.
"Wii set to debut at $199. Launch date still unkown." I can dig it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 07, 2006, 02:02:03 PM
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It could be anything so I'm not losing any sleep over it. I'll probably be awake anyway, but I won't be sitting at the computer at 11:58 constantly reloading webpages in case my time is slightly off of some news site's. Besides, when news is rumored to be announced, it usually takes a life of its own and becomes the biggest news you've ever heard ever since you were alive and will totally blow your mind and the mind of your mother and her sister. The funny part is that it's usually a let down. Super Smash Bros Brawl at E3 was the only news recently to really surprise and excite me. It went MIA at Nintendo's press conference then came out of no where the night of day one of E3 with Pit and Snake as newcomers. If you want to drop some major news, you don't tell people its coming.
Unfortunately I am one of those losers who will be loading webpages constantly lol.
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 02:02:38 PM
Post by: Khushrenada on September 07, 2006, 02:13:12 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 07, 2006, 03:11:36 PM
BOM ZEL DROPPEN
Post by: King of Twitch on September 07, 2006, 03:53:25 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 07, 2006, 04:02:11 PM
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My embargo has to do with details on a next-gen system. I really can’t get into specifics, because I can’t break that embargo.
I really don’t know who else has gotten the news. I would assume major outlets did also. But, I did get an interview with a major party involved, so there’s a chance I could have content that someone else might not.
Now that we’re just 4 hours away, I’ll tell you this: It has to do with the Wii. More than that, I really can’t say.
There you have it. They have it, and are waiting until midnight.
And it's not going to be Super Paper Mario. Joystiq and co. are less strict with embargos than the major sites (as Rick said) and Matt at IGN already confirmed SPM's move, so there's no embargo there.
Rick, it does qualify as journalism. Not the strict pure-facts news reporting denotation, but certainly a couple other. Check a dictionary. Entertainment Journalism is the term I'd use, personally.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 07, 2006, 04:03:23 PM
I'll check back when it's actually announced
Post by: Pale on September 07, 2006, 04:16:13 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2006, 04:20:20 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 04:27:38 PM
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I find this odd... is Joystiq really big enough to land something like this?
Jealous?
Post by: decoyman on September 07, 2006, 04:49:42 PM
Rad.
I rather enjoy Pacific time.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2006, 05:07:38 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 07, 2006, 05:10:48 PM
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The creator of the topic has posted in the comments that the news has nothing to do with the price, nor does it have to do with a peripheral...My guess is that it has to do with Virtual Console...
Maybe it has something to do with the hardware? Perhaps the Wii will come with a free holodeck where you pay shipping.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2006, 05:14:25 PM
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 05:19:25 PM
edit: not that I predicted that they would announce the price. I just said 'I can dig it.' Earlier, I said I didn't think they would announce the price. So, no matter what they announce, my prediction will be 'right', and the world shall forever know that wandering is better than Bill. *evil high-pitched laughter*
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2006, 05:30:37 PM
Edit: The article creator has made another statement...
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I'll give you another hint: Three letters are involved.
Post by: Darkheart on September 07, 2006, 05:35:07 PM
Edit Damn you bill you cheated and went to your original post lol
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2006, 05:36:16 PM
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 05:37:15 PM
Post by: Darkheart on September 07, 2006, 05:41:04 PM
Ps. its really "GEC" giant enemy crab
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 05:42:13 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2006, 05:42:57 PM
Post by: Darkheart on September 07, 2006, 05:43:35 PM
EDIT:
Actually that is a good one Bill but I dont see why they woulnt hold out their online service til their big day. To be honest tho for once, I think pricing info on VC would be an important announcement but nothin to steal the thunder of next week. Just to give us the plans and prices of downloaded games would be fine.
Post by: Artimus on September 07, 2006, 05:49:39 PM
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 05:49:48 PM
3 letters: PSX.
That's right.
Final Fantasy VII for virtual console.
edit: I don't hear anyone gasping.
Post by: Darkheart on September 07, 2006, 05:55:17 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 05:57:53 PM
QuoteYou know Spak, that's a very real possibility. First, he had that whole "read between the lines" thing. And then, in his response, he didn't write "Super Paper Mario", he just wrote "Paper Mario"..
Most likely he meant that Super Paper Mario is moved to the Wii, however, could he have been teasing us, letting us know that a new Paper Mario RPG is being made for the Wii? You know it wouldn't be the first time Matt has hinted at crazy stuff
Post by: Ceric on September 07, 2006, 06:07:18 PM
So maybe they are axing somethings.
Or maybe they are telling people things they want but don't deem important.
Post by: Pale on September 07, 2006, 06:08:05 PM
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 06:09:40 PM
It's one of these!
Unless they also mean numbers or weird characters or something. Otherwise, I bet it's one of those!
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 06:19:35 PM
QuoteI second that..
Originally posted by: Pale
If any of you aren't already in planetchat to discuss this, you should be ^^
Post by: RickPowers on September 07, 2006, 06:26:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
Rick, it does qualify as journalism. Not the strict pure-facts news reporting denotation, but certainly a couple other. Check a dictionary. Entertainment Journalism is the term I'd use, personally.
I could care less what a dictionary says. If you're just regurgitating information fed to you by someone who's interest lies in using you as a publicity method, then it is most definitely NOT "journalism". I'm not even saying that we need hardcore investigative journalism, but any monkey with a keyboard can repost a press release. Which is all this "news" is going to amount to.
Post by: Darkheart on September 07, 2006, 06:33:27 PM
Crab fighting TECHNIQUE!!!!
Post by: stevey on September 07, 2006, 06:36:42 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 07, 2006, 06:47:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
Rick, it does qualify as journalism. Not the strict pure-facts news reporting denotation, but certainly a couple other. Check a dictionary. Entertainment Journalism is the term I'd use, personally.
I could care less what a dictionary says. If you're just regurgitating information fed to you by someone who's interest lies in using you as a publicity method, then it is most definitely NOT "journalism". I'm not even saying that we need hardcore investigative journalism, but any monkey with a keyboard can repost a press release. Which is all this "news" is going to amount to.
Ok, so you don't consider PGC to be a journalist site either?
Post by: trip1eX on September 07, 2006, 06:49:14 PM
edit: eh just IBM.
Post by: Nick DiMola on September 07, 2006, 07:07:32 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 07:09:37 PM
Post by: stevey on September 07, 2006, 07:11:09 PM
Post by: Ceric on September 07, 2006, 07:12:38 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2006, 07:14:09 PM
Anyways, the big news comes NEXT week...
Post by: Jin-X on September 07, 2006, 07:15:36 PM
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I bet nintendo just want to rub it in to sony face with their launch date and their shippment numbers to make sony cry!
You are the next contestant in the Price is Right!
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 07:23:47 PM
It's just not...exciting.
I like that picture of that guy gawking at the Wii's private parts, though.
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 07:23:49 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 07:28:32 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 07, 2006, 07:28:52 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 07, 2006, 07:30:18 PM
It says they started shipping about three weeks ago.... how long do you think they were stock piling before they decided to ship out?
Post by: stevey on September 07, 2006, 07:34:42 PM
that could just be their NY plant...
Post by: jasonditz on September 07, 2006, 07:36:24 PM
I'm picturing factory floors simply full of virtually completed Wiis just waiting for this last chip and then going straight into the box... maybe launch would be Sept. 15th and today was really Friday-aton?
Post by: wandering on September 07, 2006, 08:02:32 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on September 07, 2006, 08:21:32 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 08:25:58 PM
As I said in the chat, they need to realise that a short term spike in hits just isn't worth it when this will hurt badly in the long-term. There's 400 comments already on the article, most of them negative, of course. It's actually quite amusing to browse through them..
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 07, 2006, 08:32:07 PM
seems like the Wii is right on track for launch
Post by: Strell on September 07, 2006, 08:32:17 PM
So far I'm boy-c0tting IGN, spong, and Joystiq.
I wonder who is next.
Post by: Ceric on September 07, 2006, 08:42:35 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2006, 08:49:23 PM
HYPE STRIKES AGAIN!
Just when you thought you were safe... duh duh....duh duh...duh duhduhduhduhduhduh DUHDUDUUUUUU!!!!
....
In other news...
.Gonintendo reports on the rising rumors about an IGN unveiling of an "expected" game or a peripheral this Friday the 8th.
C'mon ride the train ... and ride it! C'mon ride the train (Choo Choo) and ride it!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Mario on September 07, 2006, 08:49:36 PM
They were wrong in hyping this, but people can't blame them if THEY are pissed off. Just get over it.
Post by: Mario on September 07, 2006, 08:50:44 PM
Peripheral = GameCube Controller
Post by: IceCold on September 07, 2006, 08:53:59 PM
Post by: Mario on September 07, 2006, 08:57:26 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 08, 2006, 04:12:00 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 08, 2006, 05:21:38 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 08, 2006, 07:37:58 AM
Post by: RickPowers on September 08, 2006, 07:49:00 AM
What I can't understand is why the news was under embargo to begin with. Xbox 360 is already out, and Sony has their head shoved so far up their collective keister that they wouldn't be able to capitalize on the knowledge anyway. "Three weeks ago, we started shipping chips." Bravo ... anyone with any business knowledge whatsoever would have assumed that to launch in October/November, you'd have to start shipping chips ... oh, about THREE WEEKS AGO.
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Rick, it does qualify as journalism. Not the strict pure-facts news reporting denotation, but certainly a couple other. Check a dictionary. Entertainment Journalism is the term I'd use, personally.
I could care less what a dictionary says. If you're just regurgitating information fed to you by someone who's interest lies in using you as a publicity method, then it is most definitely NOT "journalism". I'm not even saying that we need hardcore investigative journalism, but any monkey with a keyboard can repost a press release. Which is all this "news" is going to amount to.
Ok, so you don't consider PGC to be a journalist site either?
No, I most certainly do not. I've done very few "journalistic" pieces in my career, like this trip to Nintendo's North Bend production facility, and I've been very vocal about the lack of journalism in the games industry. The need for secrecy with many companies is certainly a major factor, but the fact is, we're used as an arm of corporate marketing. It's just the way it is. Honest reviews are not journalism. Covering trade shows is not journalism. We're writers, but quite frankly, I'm fine with that.
Post by: JonLeung on September 08, 2006, 09:53:33 AM
That would be nice, though, wouldn't it?
