Post by: KnowsNothing on August 28, 2006, 10:56:55 AM
YOU CANNOT POST IN BOTH THREADS. This thread does not support posting about the GC version.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 28, 2006, 11:02:36 AM
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 28, 2006, 07:26:58 PM
Zelda: Sega Bass Fishing will be pretty fun I guess!
Post by: Adrock on August 28, 2006, 07:29:11 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 28, 2006, 09:35:45 PM
Post by: Mario on August 28, 2006, 09:49:29 PM
lol cuz its so easy get it
Post by: Crimm on August 28, 2006, 10:02:06 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
YOU CANNOT POST IN BOTH THREADS.
What if I go through the trouble and cost of registering a second account for the other thread?
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 28, 2006, 10:13:09 PM
Post by: Pale on August 29, 2006, 04:29:48 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 29, 2006, 05:46:58 AM
The control issue, I completely understand wanting both in each system. However, Nintendo wants people to play the game with the Wii controls. They want you to experience this game in a brand new and wonderful way. People are afraid of change, and how change could possible make the game less enjoyable than the traditional play.
You know what I say to that. GET OVER IT. Seriously, I have played 2 fantastic 3D Zelda's with traditional controls already. I am ready to move on to the next great experience. The Twillight Princess with Wii controls should be absolutely amazing. Nintendo is daily working and tweaking the control to perfect, and the game has had an amazing long development time, it should be truly epic experience. I want to experience that epic in a brand new way personally.
Post by: Hocotate on August 29, 2006, 05:57:51 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on August 29, 2006, 07:42:43 AM
Only two? Which of the three are you excluding?
I still havn't got my non-cartoony 3D Zelda without blocky graphics. I think it would be nice to get that before they rehaul everything. Plus they've teased us since the Spaceworld 2000 video so to deny us that now after six years of dicking us around is pretty unacceptable. I'll only tolerate so many bait and switches.
Post by: Pale on August 29, 2006, 08:33:26 AM
Again. Everyone forgets you can CHOOSE!
Post by: Adrock on August 29, 2006, 08:37:04 AM
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The control issue, I completely understand wanting both in each system. However, Nintendo wants people to play the game with the Wii controls. They want you to experience this game in a brand new and wonderful way. People are afraid of change, and how change could possible make the game less enjoyable than the traditional play.
I would've rather played Twilight Princess last year then waited next year or 2008 to experience Zelda "in a brand new and wonderful way." Since I can't, I hate how I'm being forced to choose. Why can't we have multiple control options? I have yet to hear a sound reason of this. People say they want to experience Zelda in a new way or they want Nintendo to have faith in the Wii controls. I say the fact that Nintendo even integrated a Wii control option into a game built around traditional controls takes care of both of those reasons.
Personally, I think there should be 1 version, on Wii with multiple control options. A Gamecube version might make more sense due to backwards compatibility. I'm a Gamecube owner since launch and I do feel a bit screwed, but I haven't bought a new game in months, mostly because there hasn't been anything worth buying. Zelda at the very end of the life cycle, a game we should've had 3 years ago instead of Wind Waker (I'll spare you the anti-WW rant), won't change that. However, a sole Wii version will help establish the console more. I never understood the purpose of a simultaneous release. It's not really a reward for those who stuck with Gamecube since most of them are getting or planning to get Wii anyway.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 29, 2006, 09:10:52 AM
Essentially, one is the "definitive" version, forcing the other to be the "collectible." I haven't decided which game fits which description yet.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 29, 2006, 09:48:57 AM
Yeah I am, and I'm grateful for that. I'm just responding to that line of thought that we've had our fill of the old way and it's time to move on.
Post by: wandering on August 30, 2006, 03:29:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I'll only tolerate so many bait and switches.
Does it still count as a bait and switch when the product that is foisted on you is 5000 times more interesting than the bait?
Seriously, I thought the SW2000 demo was incredibly bland and captured nothing that I liked about the series.
What's worse is that the outrage that followed the change of direction is probably partly to blame for Nintendo waiting to show off games for as long as humanly possible these days.
Post by: Adrock on August 30, 2006, 05:53:32 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on August 31, 2006, 09:14:33 AM
That is a matter of opinion. Wind Waker defenders said the same thing.
Post by: Strell on August 31, 2006, 09:18:40 AM
His name is Ian and he hates everything Nintendo does.
He's the kind of guy that finds $20 on the sidewalk and thinks "WTF, WHY CAN'T THIS BE A FIFTY?"
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 31, 2006, 09:30:15 AM
He truly is a Nintendo fan, that fell in love with Nintendo during a time when gaming was vastly different. Times have changed and along with those times Nintendo has changed...and even Ian has changed. Yet, he still remembers the Nintendo he loved, and he hopes Nintendo to be as great as it once was.
He isn't a Sony or Microsoft lover trolling to stirup trouble. He just is highly opinionated and presents his views on the board. It just happens he is our negative poster.
But I say leave him alone, because he brings up real points and perspectives for us to consider.
And these boards would be lifeless without characters like Ian and Bill (whom may be fictional people created by the editors of PGC for our entertainment.)
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2006, 09:34:18 AM
Post by: JonLeung on August 31, 2006, 09:36:48 AM
Hence, that's why Zelda fans have so much to say about Twilight Princess, and already have strong opinions about every little thing, despite the fact that most of us haven't even played it yet. (Geez, I was at E3 and didn't even try the demo. Don't ask.)
Post by: Strell on August 31, 2006, 09:43:34 AM
You don't get much more troll than that.
Unless you make a lot of brazen and wild speculations about it.
Which, if I'm not mistaken, has been done as well.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 31, 2006, 09:46:35 AM
And neither of us knew it because the person we both are is totally bonko. Hell maybe it's true. If I had a dual personality would I even know it?
Post by: JonLeung on August 31, 2006, 09:47:31 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 31, 2006, 10:07:13 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 31, 2006, 10:15:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Strell
Don't feed the troll.
His name is Ian and he hates everything Nintendo does.
He's the kind of guy that finds $20 on the sidewalk and thinks "WTF, WHY CAN'T THIS BE A FIFTY?"
Speaking of trolls what happened to Nemo? Haven't seen him around since that one thread was closed!
Post by: Kairon on August 31, 2006, 10:35:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Ian isn't a troll. I know his posts sold like a troll and a Nintendo hater but he isn't.
He truly is a Nintendo fan, that fell in love with Nintendo during a time when gaming was vastly different. Times have changed and along with those times Nintendo has changed...and even Ian has changed. Yet, he still remembers the Nintendo he loved, and he hopes Nintendo to be as great as it once was.
He isn't a Sony or Microsoft lover trolling to stirup trouble. He just is highly opinionated and presents his views on the board. It just happens he is our negative poster.
But I say leave him alone, because he brings up real points and perspectives for us to consider.
And these boards would be lifeless without characters like Ian and Bill (whom may be fictional people created by the editors of PGC for our entertainment.)
Here here!
He doesn't fit my personal definition of a Nintendo Fan, but all of his arguments are well thought out, he is an intelligent person, and he has a right to opinions as passionate as my own.
Now Nemo... HAHAHA j/k. You know we love you!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 31, 2006, 06:20:29 PM
Quotewe are all Ty's dupe accounts!
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
And these boards would be lifeless without characters like Ian and Bill (whom may be fictional people created by the editors of PGC for our entertainment.)
Post by: JonLeung on August 31, 2006, 06:26:59 PM
Post by: mantidor on August 31, 2006, 07:16:30 PM
and whats with nemo? he does have this awful ideas for metroid but he's no troll, you people have the weirdest standards.
Post by: wandering on August 31, 2006, 07:19:07 PM
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Speaking of trolls what happened to Nemo? Haven't seen him around since that one thread was closed!
I saw Nemo on the ban list when I was mod....
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That is a matter of opinion. Wind Waker defenders said the same thing.
That switching to a realistic zelda after promising a cel-shaded one was bait and switch?
My problem with people getting angry over Wind Waker's art style is that they are discoraging Nintendo from trying interesting things artistically. Even if you have problems with it (I thought the color scheme was too aritifical as compared to the other, more earthy, Zeldas) you should be glad Nintendo is trying things as interesting, unique, and beautfiful as Wind Waker. Yes, Nintendo "promised" a realistic Zelda, but they also promised a third-person 3d Metroid, and is anyone angry they haven't delivered that yet?
Post by: IceCold on August 31, 2006, 07:22:32 PM
Quotecouchmonkey. And I didn't say that he was your alt, it's just that the two of you are really similar in more ways than one, so I jokingly said that you were both the same person..
Originally posted by: JonLeung
Who were those two guys that people thought were MY alts? One of them has/had a Zero Suit Samus avatar...
EDIT:
QuoteHuh, I thought Deg was giving him another chance
I saw Nemo on the ban list when I was mod....
Post by: TrueNerd on August 31, 2006, 08:50:58 PM
Okay, maybe I was being a snitch, but that guy's a DOUCHE.
And to not totally hijack the thread, I am purchasing the Wii version of Twilight Princess. I'm too curious.
Post by: Kairon on August 31, 2006, 08:57:17 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: wandering on August 31, 2006, 09:18:37 PM
Looks like I'll have to get a 'free nemo' avatar. (It'd be funny if I was the one who banned him, and then forgot. And by funny, I mean sad.)
Post by: Strell on August 31, 2006, 09:27:58 PM
You know, I have seen pathetic things in my life.
But complaining on the internets about the internets because you are using the internets?
Wow.
"Oh this is so good it just has to be fattening."
Post by: mantidor on August 31, 2006, 10:41:38 PM
Post by: IceCold on August 31, 2006, 11:11:11 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2006, 11:14:11 PM
So yeah, "creative" doesn't mean jack when the idea is absolute garbage...
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 01, 2006, 06:45:04 AM
He had original ideas...but not good ideas.
Post by: Adrock on September 01, 2006, 06:58:36 AM
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That switching to a realistic zelda after promising a cel-shaded one was bait and switch?
My problem with people getting angry over Wind Waker's art style is that they are discoraging Nintendo from trying interesting things artistically. Even if you have problems with it (I thought the color scheme was too aritifical as compared to the other, more earthy, Zeldas) you should be glad Nintendo is trying things as interesting, unique, and beautfiful as Wind Waker. Yes, Nintendo "promised" a realistic Zelda, but they also promised a third-person 3d Metroid, and is anyone angry they haven't delivered that yet?
If I remember correctly, Nintendo never actually promised another cel-shaded Zelda before introducing Twilight Princess. They were pretty careful about how they phrased it. It was something like "There will be another Zelda on Gamecube" or "We are working on the sequel to Wind Waker."
I hated the character designs; I didn't mind cel-shading. It was merely superficial however since Wind Waker was 90% Ocarina of Time gameplay-wise. The changes Nintendo introduced were minimal. Parrying was cool except they were only really used against Darknuts and to beat Ganondorf at the very end of the fight. Sailing was just horseback riding made infinitely more annoying.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 01, 2006, 07:15:29 AM
Post by: Pale on September 01, 2006, 07:23:03 AM
That sonofa just needs to buy a 360. It's obviously what he wants. Why does the Nintendo name mean so much to him that he wants them to be just like a competitor. How bout we all choose which angle we like better?
Post by: wandering on September 01, 2006, 05:47:08 PM
Post by: Ceric on September 01, 2006, 06:21:43 PM
Post by: Guitar Smasher on September 01, 2006, 07:58:18 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
He did have some creative ideas, and I even often gave him credit for thinking of a controller concept so close to the actual one.
I don't want to sound like a prick, but a lot of his controller ideas were very similar to ones I had posted earlier. I didn't want to say anything at the time because I thought it was healthy discussion. I don't know what he's up to at other forums, but it sounds preatty weak.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 01, 2006, 08:13:09 PM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 22, 2006, 06:12:34 PM
.http://media.gamestats.com/gg/image/object/748/748589/twightlightwiiboxart_160w.jpg
I like it. . . assuming that's actually it
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 22, 2006, 06:36:42 PM
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Post by: wandering on September 22, 2006, 07:49:41 PM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 22, 2006, 07:53:48 PM
As for the Zelda art, yeah, I'm quite aware it's very likely that's not actually it.
Post by: Artimus on September 22, 2006, 07:54:24 PM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 23, 2006, 12:10:19 AM
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Post by: Luigi Dude on September 29, 2006, 07:02:03 PM
New Zelda Info
This is only the beginning, except lots of new info from many different sources over the next month. Oh this is going to be good.
Post by: wandering on September 29, 2006, 07:09:22 PM
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The game has at least as many "temples" as Ocarina of Time (which was 9)
Okay, but I hope the game designers don't go "Hey, we've completed, like, everything up to the 5th temple now, right? Is anyone else feeling the stuff in between the temples just isn't that important? Let's just stop working on that kind of stuff, okay?"
Post by: mantidor on September 29, 2006, 07:37:23 PM
LOL rehash :P don't kill me
So we could have the game in gc a long time ago? how nice of Nintendo, those bastards. This is the first time that someone at nintendo talks about the development time, and I don't know why but Im going to trust Aonuma, and that means that least the wii controls had more time and would probably be better than I was expecting. The game also apparently isn't as big as I thought, and thats a good thing for me.
Post by: Smoke39 on September 29, 2006, 11:28:21 PM
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Post by: stevey on September 30, 2006, 07:16:00 AM
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- The game is 70 hours, including all sidequests according to Eiji Aonuma
Only 70! what happen to mine 100 hour zelda!
(please let it be only if you know what to speed run thing)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 30, 2006, 08:16:05 AM
The other 30 hours is supposed to be spent waiting in line for Wii at launch.
AKSHUN ADDVENCHARRR!!!!
Post by: ShyGuy on September 30, 2006, 08:27:58 AM
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Post by: mantidor on September 30, 2006, 10:55:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Is that new concept art of Link I see at the top there? O:
wow, I didn't know why but it felt weird for some reason to me, and now I've realized it, its a mirrored art concept!
Post by: Smoke39 on September 30, 2006, 11:03:22 AM
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 30, 2006, 05:04:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
You know I just realized. Not only is his handedness reversed, but his hair is parted on the wrong side!
That's because they mirrored the entire game.
Post by: Kairon on September 30, 2006, 05:18:11 PM
...interesting... doesn't that go against the 70% game 30% secrets formula for great games that Miyamoto once touted? It's confirmed, TP = bomb.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 30, 2006, 06:21:18 PM
If TP is really 70 hours for completion, that is MASSIVE.
Post by: Smoke39 on September 30, 2006, 06:22:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk TemporoQuote
Originally posted by: Smoke39
You know I just realized. Not only is his handedness reversed, but his hair is parted on the wrong side!
That's because they mirrored the entire game.
Yeah, I know.
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2006, 07:16:26 PM
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Kairon wrote:
They've said that they're aiming for the same number of Dungeons as in OoT... most of that extra playtime will probably come from sidequests...
I thought Nintendo said that there are already more dungeons than Ocarina of Time. I hope extra playtime is made up of actual gameplay. No backtracking like for artifacts like in the original Metroid Prime or trade quests and seach for the Triforce pieces like in Wind Waker.
70 hours is probably bull. OoT took me roughly 40 because I got lost in the Forest Temple for longer than i ever should have. The only game that took me 70 hours was FFVII and that's because I went through all the trouble of getting Knights of the Round which ironically I didn't even need because all the work that went into getting that Materia made me more than powerful enough to obliterate Safer Sephiroth. In Twilight Princess, I'm hoping for side dungeons with hidden bosses, something that will keep my interest.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 30, 2006, 08:20:40 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 30, 2006, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on September 30, 2006, 08:54:14 PM
QuoteSS is pretty easy, so Knights of the Round is pretty much unneeded....the Weapons on the other hand.....
Originally posted by: Adrock
70 hours is probably bull. OoT took me roughly 40 because I got lost in the Forest Temple for longer than i ever should have. The only game that took me 70 hours was FFVII and that's because I went through all the trouble of getting Knights of the Round which ironically I didn't even need because all the work that went into getting that Materia made me more than powerful enough to obliterate Safer Sephiroth. In Twilight Princess, I'm hoping for side dungeons with hidden bosses, something that will keep my interest.
and the only game that got me close to 70hrs (actually 65) was Tales of Symphonia (took me almost ONE YEAR to finish) but I didn't do most of the sidequests only the DA and Luin ones IIRC
Skies of Arcadia took me 62 with everything, so that goes second
Post by: zakkiel on October 01, 2006, 08:12:12 AM
QuoteI suspect this is wishful thinking. Nintendo has probably cut back the dungeons from they originally planned. Much like WW. As long as they haven't replaced it with godawful filler that has you spending hours wandering an ocean then I can handle it.
This new information seems dated to me, like Ardok and others I remember hearing it would have more temples than OOT as well.
Post by: mantidor on October 01, 2006, 09:46:37 AM
Post by: Artimus on October 01, 2006, 10:00:00 AM
I'm sure he meant there'll be a water temple, for example. Not that it'll be modeled after Ocarina.
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 01, 2006, 10:46:28 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 01, 2006, 11:22:38 AM
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Aonuma is asked how many dungeons there will be, to which he replies that he wants to surpass OoT, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they need to surpass the number of dungeons. The content of those dungeons is what is most important.
So this actually shouldn't be to much of a surprise since this is the same thing Aonuma said back in 2005 that the game might end up having the same amount of dungeons as Ocarina of Time. But as he say this means the quality of the dungeons should be great.
Post by: The Omen on October 01, 2006, 11:30:45 AM
Post by: zakkiel on October 01, 2006, 11:59:08 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 01, 2006, 01:12:59 PM
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Originally posted by: zakkielQuoteI suspect this is wishful thinking. Nintendo has probably cut back the dungeons from they originally planned. Much like WW. As long as they haven't replaced it with godawful filler that has you spending hours wandering an ocean then I can handle it.
This new information seems dated to me, like Ardok and others I remember hearing it would have more temples than OOT as well.
Well my main point was that not knowing how many dungeons (He seemed unsure) it would include have to be a bit dated because if they don't have all the dungeons finished by now then there is no way it will be released on November 19th.
Post by: MaryJane on October 01, 2006, 01:18:43 PM
rool: OoTaaaaahhhhhh
uses TP to clean off mouth for a fresh new experience.
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on October 01, 2006, 07:41:52 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 01, 2006, 10:27:11 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 02, 2006, 07:44:32 AM
70 hours is actually way better than 100 hours in my books. I don't have that kind of time to devote to gaming anymore.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 02, 2006, 10:33:11 AM
Post by: AnyoneEB on October 02, 2006, 11:52:18 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 02, 2006, 12:08:22 PM
My 50-hour completion time of MM also includes finding all the Fairies on my first visit of each dungeon.
The intense sense of accomplishment and MANLINESS after completing a Nintendo action-adventure is better than alcohol. Exhaustion without the dizziness, plus suspense and adrenaline.
Then you must wonder how Samus must feel when she has an itch underneath the Power Suit.
Post by: wandering on October 02, 2006, 12:11:38 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 02, 2006, 12:19:53 PM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on October 02, 2006, 12:39:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Then you must wonder how Samus must feel when she has an itch underneath the Power Suit.
She can turn into a ball and carry hundreds of missiles without a place to store them, so I imagine she must have something that can take care of an itch. Or, as Arthur C. Clarke put it, "Any suitably advanced technology is indistinguishable from a backscratcher."
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 20, 2006, 03:14:56 PM
~ New weapons include a ball-and-chain, three types of bombs, two types of clawshots (TP's Grappling Hook and Hookshot), and the Spinner (a rotating platfrom that Link charges into enemies...yeah that's sorta confusing, I need a pic of that...)
~ 9 dungeons confirmed
~ "As much gameplay on the overworld as in the dungeons (lots of sidequests, probably)
~ As the wolf, Wiimote movements control pointy attacks (teeth and claws, tee hee!) and Nunchuk controls body attacks
~ Additional armor/clothes confirmed
~ Wolf Link can dig holes to discover secret passages
~ Later in the game, Midna grants Link the power to teleport to different areas
~ FIVE heart pieces are now needed to fill a heart container, what is this?
~ POES ARE BACK
~ Wiimote speaker sounds include swordity, the bow, and Midna's laugh indicating her desire to speak to you (like Navi)
(Hehe, I bet someone will crack wondering what that frownie face is in there for... ^_^)
Post by: wandering on October 20, 2006, 03:16:55 PM
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Both Link and Zelda die at the end.
AUGH, why did you have to spoil that?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 20, 2006, 03:28:17 PM
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Post by: Zach on October 20, 2006, 05:54:15 PM
like that except take out the stars I put in
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 20, 2006, 06:00:08 PM
Post by: zakkiel on October 20, 2006, 06:08:17 PM
I love me some hookshot. Hopefully it shows up earlier in the game. For the rest of it, not great surprises except the platform thing - boomerang replacement, maybe?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 20, 2006, 06:15:05 PM
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Post by: KnowsNothing on October 20, 2006, 06:53:41 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2006, 08:13:54 PM
I just got back...the trip was amazing, and the games were incredibly fun...specially Zelda.
The Zelda demo was amazing, and the game is truly special. The controls melt in your hands and make sense to you. Using the Wiimote for sword fights is engaging, but not life changing, or game breaking...it works great, but isn't revolutionary. The Bow battles were outstanding though. I loved shooting enemies with the Bow and Arrow and sniping for long distances. It feel so rewarding to earn that hit with your steady hands.
You are going to want to buy this game for Wii, and don't even think about the Gamecube game as an option.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 20, 2006, 08:19:16 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2006, 08:28:56 PM
Post by: Svevan on October 20, 2006, 11:15:48 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 20, 2006, 11:22:23 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 21, 2006, 09:04:22 AM
i'm equal-opportunity.
Post by: stevey on October 21, 2006, 02:03:35 PM
~ As the wolf, Wiimote movements control pointy attacks (teeth and claws, tee hee!)
Awesome, But what a "tee hee" attack???
~ FIVE heart pieces are now needed to fill a heart container, what is this?
boo that 40 pieces to find berfore I can start brag about getting them all~ Additional armor/clothes confirmed
Good I was worried they never bring back the oldschool Blue/red/green tunics
*story spoiler*
~people who dont read spoiler text are stupid
lol true
*REALL BIG END OF GAME STORY SPOILER (DONT READ THIS KAIRON)*
I cant belive Midna just kills you like that after all the hard work to beat the game and doom hyrule forever
Post by: Kairon on October 21, 2006, 02:38:47 PM
So I'll just trick myself by pretending to read it!
*pretends to read it*
NOOOOO! NO NO NO NO NO! WHY WHY WHY!
YOU HORRIBLE HORRIBLE MAN! WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS! WHY DID YOU POST THAT?!?! HOW CAN YOU BE SO DEMONIC AND CRUEL AND SPOIL IT FOR EVERYONE BY TELLING US THAT FOX DOESN'T JOIN UP WITH THE CORNERIAN AIR FORCE AFTER ALL?!?! WHY WHY WHY?!?!@?!
*ahem*
I hope that was convincing enough so that I don't get tempted again.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Shecky on October 21, 2006, 03:20:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
I can never tell who Pro is making fun of.
Himself
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 21, 2006, 05:54:31 PM
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Post by: Svevan on October 21, 2006, 10:19:01 PM
Post by: decoyman on October 22, 2006, 08:10:51 AM
No, really. She and I are meant to be together. And we will be, oh yes... someday...
(lovingly adjusts candles on Zelda shrine with a creepy grin as he cheekily gets back on-topic)
Post by: IceCold on October 26, 2006, 09:17:27 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on October 26, 2006, 11:20:49 PM
I also love how Link reverse flowers his sword while hes fighting, looks good.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 27, 2006, 01:28:25 AM
Video Conclusion #2: The game runs at 60fps and the video was poorly converted, and it would be blurry anyway.
Post by: Caliban on October 27, 2006, 07:45:33 AM
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/topics/interview/vol5/movie01.html
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/topics/interview/vol5/movie02.html
The game is looking really nice.
Post by: gtub on October 27, 2006, 12:11:26 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 30, 2006, 12:35:48 PM
Link
Here's the description of what will be in the trailer
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Starts out with some Twilight Creatures in some sort of dark castle (Hyrule Castle?)
Goes to Cowboy Link, Epona, Colin and a couple of unidentified people. One has a sword. Epona's loaded up with wood for some reason or another. Colin goes with the man with the sword over a rope bridge, while Link (in his cowboy outfit) smiles at him.
Next up is the transformation sequence. Cowboy Link is walking through a path, when suddenly it turns into the Twilight Realm. He transforms into a Wolf, and is dragged away. We see Midna, and next wee some gameplay of Wolf Link and Midna attacking some Twilight Creatures. There's more gameplay, nothing particularily new but a town scene is shown with about 20 people in it, very impressive. Also, Link canoes down a rushing river, now in his classic outfit.
Few quick cuts of cutscenes, showing (among others) PRINCESS ZELDA! Zelda is casting some sort of elaborate spell, very pretty effects.
The trailer ends with Link pulling out the Master Sword and holding it up. The sword is quite a bit longer than any other game.
Post by: stevey on October 30, 2006, 01:06:10 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on October 30, 2006, 01:18:04 PM
Panty shots in WW don't count.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 30, 2006, 01:43:44 PM
Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2006, 01:44:05 PM
Post by: The Traveller on November 01, 2006, 11:23:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y88M-AQztl0 - Game title screen intro, similar to Oot.
These were shown at the Australian Wii party, you guys have to watch these..Amazing.
Post by: Nick DiMola on November 02, 2006, 02:19:33 AM
I am simply floored right now. My anticipation for this game could not be higher. No Zelda has ever came across to me as epic as this one does. I simply can not wait to start playing this game especially with the Wiimote. If Nintendo has made this game even half as good as what I'm anticipating it'll be far and away the best Zelda ever.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 02, 2006, 03:20:37 AM
The sun jumps several million miles IN SPACE within the first few seconds of the opening (wtf).
And the gameplay trailer was THROWN TOGETHER.
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 03:41:00 AM
Anybody else get reminded of KH2 when watching the trailer. (Which could have been much better in my opinion. The music didn't quite fit with the video.)
I wonder why A+B.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 02, 2006, 03:47:10 AM
Why press A on GameCube games?
Just use the buttons that are already at your fingertips, eliminating auckwerd reaching.
Elements of the opening music remind me of the original Castlevania64 trailer (not Legacy of Darkness).
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 04:04:38 AM
Post by: Blackplague on November 02, 2006, 04:22:03 AM
On another note how did you all like southpark last night, it was involving the wait for the wii
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 04:30:37 AM
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 06:05:03 AM
man I can't resist the urge to watch the opening, I want to be spoiler free until I get the game but these videos are popping up, DARN IT!
Post by: Renny on November 02, 2006, 06:13:28 AM
Nice 'Wii-working' [snort] of the trailer. I think that will convert any holdouts to the new twilight realm look. The boat bit looked the business.
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 06:32:51 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 02, 2006, 06:53:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Renny
The intro was mightily ripped straight from Shadow of the Colossus. Of course that does nothing to quell my lust for this game. Hotness.
Nice 'Wii-working' [snort] of the trailer. I think that will convert any holdouts to the new twilight realm look. The boat bit looked the business.
No, it was ripped from OoT not Shadow of the Colossus.
Post by: WindyMan on November 02, 2006, 07:01:35 AM
I will tell you forum-dwellers no more. Much like Nintendo is teased me with the first 9 hours of the game, I will tease you by telling you to look forward to Friday evening where I can start posting the good stuff on the site.
Oh, I will say this: Zelda on Wii is the real deal.
Post by: IceCold on November 02, 2006, 07:25:32 AM
New "Experience" videos are up on the Wii site showing people playing Zelda, specifically sword and bow-and-arrow parts.
Post by: Kraven on November 02, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
Post by: King of Twitch on November 02, 2006, 08:29:04 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on November 02, 2006, 08:30:41 AM
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Originally posted by: WindyMan
Oh, I will say this: Zelda on Wii is the real deal.
But is it definitive?
Post by: TrueNerd on November 02, 2006, 08:31:20 AM
QuoteWhat time on Friday can we expect your (and the rest of the internet's) impressions of this game? Or to be more specific, when exactly does Nazi Nintendo lift their embargoes?
Originally posted by: WindyMan
I played it. It rocks.
I will tell you forum-dwellers no more. Much like Nintendo is teased me with the first 9 hours of the game, I will tease you by telling you to look forward to Friday evening where I can start posting the good stuff on the site.
Oh, I will say this: Zelda on Wii is the real deal.
Ugh, on second thought, Friday-ton may make the next two and a half weeks even harder... maybe I'll avoid this...
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 09:04:25 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 02, 2006, 09:09:23 AM
Both videos were awesome. The intro gave me a feeling of both excitement and nostalgia, which was awesome. OoT was the game that affected me most as a child, and this intro gave me the same feeling I had back then, which I hadn't experienced in a long time. Probably since OoT
Wind Waker was a fantastic game, but it never really made me feel "that way." The ending of the intro especially, when that note is held, gave me a chill. I see no reason why this isn't going to be the best game ever.
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 09:16:36 AM
Post by: willie1234 on November 02, 2006, 09:27:15 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 09:29:35 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 02, 2006, 09:31:41 AM
Also, OoT released in 1998. TP releases in 2006. That means that I'll be 24 when the next most awesomest Zelda comes out. The best [three dimensional] Zeldas come in eight year intervals. CONFIRMED.
Post by: Renny on November 02, 2006, 09:51:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-SpangQuote
Originally posted by: Renny
The intro was mightily ripped straight from Shadow of the Colossus. Of course that does nothing to quell my lust for this game. Hotness.
Nice 'Wii-working' [snort] of the trailer. I think that will convert any holdouts to the new twilight realm look. The boat bit looked the business.
No, it was ripped from OoT not Shadow of the Colossus.
Yeah, I suppose both are indebted to what was established with OoT. But it's clear that TP's intro is much closer to SotC than OoT. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that the Zelda developers haven't derived some visual design from SotC. In particular riding across the bridge and along the cliffs, as well as the tone of the music. Still, maybe that's simply the natural evolution of Zelda to a greater scale and more serious mood. It rawks fer shur, tho.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 02, 2006, 11:04:03 AM
This is only true if Link's Awakening came out in 1990. And I'm 96% certain that it did not.
Each Zelda game affects me in a different way. Well, that's not exactly right. They all affect me in the same way, with different variations. There's a similar strand between all of them, that same spectacular feeling that comes over me, but it varies slightly between the games (probably due to the differences in the games and the differences in my life at the times I played them). I consider the sensation of Wind Waker and OoT on par, pretty much, but I don't think anything in Wind Waker gives me QUITE the feeling that watching the opening to OoT does. It's just this feeling of everything being right in the world.
This intro is very much like that. It doesn't have quite the magic, but Wind Waker didn't have the magic until I'd played it. Until I'd experienced it and looked back and it was just like the rest.
Can't wait to start up this intro, once I've played the game, and then reflect upon what an incredible game it is.
(In regards to the trailer, I'm pretty sure the plot of TP has changed about seven times since the first trailer)
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 02, 2006, 11:55:42 AM
But TP will be better than LA and OoT. FACT.
The intro is pretty bland actually, it doesn't have that same magic UNTIL the end. That's just the coolest scene ever.
Post by: ThePerm on November 02, 2006, 11:58:48 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 02, 2006, 12:17:27 PM
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Originally posted by: RennyQuote
Originally posted by: Spak-SpangQuote
Originally posted by: Renny
The intro was mightily ripped straight from Shadow of the Colossus. Of course that does nothing to quell my lust for this game. Hotness.
Nice 'Wii-working' [snort] of the trailer. I think that will convert any holdouts to the new twilight realm look. The boat bit looked the business.
No, it was ripped from OoT not Shadow of the Colossus.
Yeah, I suppose both are indebted to what was established with OoT. But it's clear that TP's intro is much closer to SotC than OoT. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that the Zelda developers haven't derived some visual design from SotC. In particular riding across the bridge and along the cliffs, as well as the tone of the music. Still, maybe that's simply the natural evolution of Zelda to a greater scale and more serious mood. It rawks fer shur, tho.
Luckily Zelda: TP will have tons more depth than the relitively shallow SotC :-P.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 02:59:53 PM
I don't care if TP does manage to top LA in my book...I will still deny it and put TP at #2 on my Fav Games Ever list! >=O
Post by: stevey on November 02, 2006, 04:13:25 PM
I LOVE the intro music!
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 02, 2006, 04:18:32 PM
Post by: mantidor on November 02, 2006, 05:16:24 PM
I love this intro, but why is the world so barren? its my only complain
Post by: Caliban on November 02, 2006, 06:11:28 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 02, 2006, 06:28:51 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I love this intro, but why is the world so barren? its my only complain
To show off the Horse and Wolf.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 02, 2006, 06:30:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
I too asked that same question to myself, Mantidor, however it is best to leave it without an answer because we could be judging that out of context and without having any playing experience of this game we are going nowhere.
I have a feeling they used the almost lifeless scenary to portray how epic and huge the game is. My guess is that it is out of context or a particular area.
Post by: IceCold on November 02, 2006, 06:41:06 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 02, 2006, 07:09:10 PM
This needed to be posted because I forgot to when I first found it...
Post by: TrueNerd on November 02, 2006, 07:24:08 PM
And yeah, SotC intro all the way.
Post by: Svevan on November 02, 2006, 07:35:34 PM
Post by: Griffin on November 02, 2006, 07:36:22 PM
Post by: IceCold on November 02, 2006, 08:09:50 PM
QuoteUgh, please no. I won't deny that SotC is a good game, but I don't want Zelda to be like it at all..
SotC for realz. At least, I HOPE the game is like SotC. Really.
Post by: Kairon on November 02, 2006, 10:03:14 PM
OoT ripoff. Too short. No narrative interest. Absolutely barren landscape. The Wolf stays in howling position FOREVER AND DOESN'T MOVE. Now I hear they're trying to imitate SotC?
Seriously, this better be a placeholder, or it'll be confirmed that Zelda: TP will NOT be the best Zelda evar.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 02, 2006, 10:10:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Dude. That Intro SUCKED.
OoT ripoff. Too short. No narrative interest. Absolutely barren landscape. The Wolf stays in howling position FOREVER AND DOESN'T MOVE. Now I hear they're trying to imitate SotC?
Seriously, this better be a placeholder, or it'll be confirmed that Zelda: TP will NOT be the best Zelda evar.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Because intro is everything, I guess that means something like SMB3 fails or even the SNES/NES Zeldas. People around here need to get over, well, overreacting so much about every little thing.
Post by: Kairon on November 02, 2006, 10:13:14 PM
More general critique from the assorted TP videos from us.wii.com:
-the sword animations don't seem to blend into each other fluidly in the user sword videos: not up to estandards
-the riding animations are almost comically exagerrated in the rodeo movies... unless that's just for effect because Link is trying to tame a wild horse there?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Kairon on November 02, 2006, 10:30:54 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Because intro is everything, I guess that means something like SMB3 fails or even the SNES/NES Zeldas. People around here need to get over, well, overreacting so much about every little thing.
DUDE. All of those games had GREAT intros! Interesting, innovative, iconic... GREAT!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Blue Plant on November 02, 2006, 10:32:34 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolutionPeople around here need to get over, well, overreacting so much about every little thing.
Agreed. It's getting a little scary, to be honest. It's as though every little aspect of Twilight Princess needs to be absolutely perfect as to rub it in the faces of Xbox or PlayStation fans.
I can't wait to actually PLAY the game, not sit down with a magnifying glass and critique it's every little flaw.
Post by: Kairon on November 02, 2006, 10:38:43 PM
There is only one way I can fool my analytical mind into NOT ANALYZING EVERY BIT OF THE GAME AS I PLAY IT!!!
... and that is to not sleep, not eat, not FUNCTION AS ANYTHING ELSE while I play this game in long unadulterated spurts of almost religious meditative-like hunger deprived game playing.
When Zelda is played, LIFE IS ON HOLD.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Griffin on November 02, 2006, 10:52:03 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
The artwork is still lefty because they didn't change Link - they just mirrored the game.
I know that... but they can also flip the artwork... although I did that in photoshop, and it just doesn't feel right for some reason. (Not complaining about Link being right-handed in the game though, I could care less about that)
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 03, 2006, 01:50:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Well. Maybe the game won't suck. But that Intro DID.
More general critique from the assorted TP videos from us.wii.com:
-the sword animations don't seem to blend into each other fluidly in the user sword videos: not up to estandards
-the riding animations are almost comically exagerrated in the rodeo movies... unless that's just for effect because Link is trying to tame a wild horse there?
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
What is WRONG with you? (Besides, you know, everything?)
Oh, and the riding animations are "almost" comically exaggerated because they ARE comically exaggerated...Didn't see that one coming, considering it's a Zelda ga...Wait...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on November 03, 2006, 03:29:02 AM
Why would Nintendo short change a game that they have specifically moved to Wii for a reason to show off what it can do, controller wise. and push back the GCN version a month?
Post by: Ceric on November 03, 2006, 04:40:23 AM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
gamestop/ebgames are not taking any more orders of Zelda TP, saying that Nintendo is doing a limited production. Or is it that they are just going to screw everybody who already pre-ordered it and when they go to get a system and it's forced bundle to find that Zelda is in every bundle.Why would Nintendo short change a game that they have specifically moved to Wii for a reason to show off what it can do, controller wise. and push back the GCN version a month?
Unexpectedly high developer game turn out. Stressing there game pressing facilities for the initial launch. (Most companies are stating that they have just finished the code or are still working. Thats a lot of copies to press by Nov. 19)
Post by: couchmonkey on November 03, 2006, 04:55:43 AM
Seriously, it's just a movie. And the graphics are just graphics. Nintendo has been pushing depth of view over graphical detail throughout the GameCube's lifespan, and if you look closely you'll see a lot of distant views in those shots. Personally I'm glad that Nintendo pushes functional graphics over flashy, broken ones.
Really though, it's about how the game plays. It's Zelda and it's going to play wonderfully. I admit, I've read some worrying things about the game, but I'm not going to let that bother me until I experience it for myself.
Post by: Artimus on November 03, 2006, 06:58:56 AM
Because if not you need to get some perspective on life and chill.
Post by: Kairon on November 03, 2006, 08:50:12 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 03, 2006, 09:38:41 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 03, 2006, 10:15:31 AM
Post by: decoyman on November 03, 2006, 10:19:55 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 03, 2006, 10:23:34 AM
Post by: WindyMan on November 03, 2006, 01:10:34 PM
I did a quick word count on the two different articles I'm preparing, and it's approaching 10 total pages and almost 7,000 words.
That is all.
Post by: zakkiel on November 03, 2006, 01:18:52 PM
QuoteAll that ranting was not a sarcastic impersonation of a a wildly immature fanboy? Cause in that case, I'd say less a chill pill and more a steady diet of lithium.
Zelda does this to me.
Post by: stevey on November 03, 2006, 02:26:59 PM
OoT ripoff. Too short. No narrative interest. Absolutely barren landscape. The Wolf stays in howling position FOREVER AND DOESN'T MOVE."
Dude, that intro was completely awesome in every possible way! The fact that it is like OoT but insted of at sunrise in a field filled with live being full with light, a barren landscape at sun set with light fading away was the whole point! If you cant see that then their something worng with you, really. It as long as any zelda intro and of couse the wolf stay the same position the intro was over.
"Now I hear they're trying to imitate SotC?"
If anything, SotC is a total rip off of zelda!
"Seriously, this better be a placeholder, or it'll be confirmed that Zelda: TP will NOT be the best Zelda evar."
Have you ever hear of not judging a book by it cover....
Post by: Edfishy on November 03, 2006, 02:39:17 PM
I thought the intro was pretty crappy, but appreciate the nastalgia.
Post by: Artimus on November 03, 2006, 02:40:27 PM
Anyway, PGC has given the Wii version the "can never go back" thumbs up. As has GoNintendo:
http://gonintendo.com/?p=7877
Kotaku is, as always when talking about anything ever made in the existence of time except themselves, a little both ways but ultimate says the Wii version is a little better for being on the Wii:
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/feature/handson-the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-212137.php
And lovely ol' Matt says "In fact, were it up to me and not Nintendo (and in my dreams, it is), I'd have scrapped the GCN build altogether, forcing everyone to exclusively buy the Wii version."
http://wii.ign.com/articles/744/744044p1.html
Post by: Nile Boogie on November 03, 2006, 02:50:11 PM
I have no proof.
Post by: Artimus on November 03, 2006, 03:37:15 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 03, 2006, 04:07:11 PM
Post by: Kairon on November 03, 2006, 05:19:28 PM
Spoilers are going to be REAL hard to avoid. Thanks for your spoiler-free article PGC!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 03, 2006, 06:23:31 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on November 03, 2006, 09:24:57 PM
I have so much confidence in the Wii version from these impressions I feel sorry for anyone who gets only the GCN version.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 03, 2006, 10:18:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
The impressions on PGC and on IGN make this sound like the greatest thing known to man. If you've had your doubts befor, read the impressions(not the preview) and still do, then just get the GCN version.
I have so much confidence in the Wii version from these impressions I feel sorry for anyone who gets only the GCN version.
That is why I agree with Matt on IGN that the GC version should have been canned in order to force people to play the Wii one. One of my favorite quotes from his hands-on was
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You continue to argue that because the controls were originally designed for the GameCube pad there is no hope for the Wii build. You say that your arms will get tired using the Wii remote. You speak of mirrored worlds and right-handed Link. And you know what? It's all crap. If you have the means to buy Twilight Princess for Wii and you still get it for GameCube, you are a fool. And I state that without meaning to suggest that the GCN iteration is flawed
That is why I like Matt regardless of whether I agree with him or not is that he is blunt.
Post by: Svevan on November 03, 2006, 11:50:31 PM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on November 04, 2006, 12:02:13 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 04, 2006, 04:23:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
I like how those who hold a dissenting opinion without playing the game are idiots, but forum-goers here who hold a positive opinion without playing the game are wise.
It has more to do with the fact that the ONLY negative opinions that can be found on the internet are from those who HAVEN'T played the game...
Post by: MaryJane on November 04, 2006, 04:53:01 AM
The hottest Zelda yet!
Post by: Shecky on November 04, 2006, 06:17:30 AM
Pro666 and I will need to contest this. Real fans and collectors will get both! Fools we are not! :-/
Post by: Kairon on November 04, 2006, 08:16:09 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 04, 2006, 08:23:58 AM
(I'll be getting the Gamecube version sometime in January or February...)
Post by: Artimus on November 04, 2006, 08:27:48 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 04, 2006, 12:05:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Svevan
I like how those who hold a dissenting opinion without playing the game are idiots, but forum-goers here who hold a positive opinion without playing the game are wise.
As was stated before the opinions have been overwhelmingly positive of those who have played the game, and it seems the only negative ones are those who haven't played it so yes I stick by my statement that it is childish. That tells me something, and it should be pretty obvious what the difference is. It would be like someone saying "Mario 64 sucks because it doesn't use the control pad" who have never played it before with the analog stick. There are always people like that when new things come around, they refuse to give it a chance even if it may actually be better. Now of course I'm reserving final reservations until I get ahold of it, but I see no reason to be anything but optimistic given the latest hands-on reports. Could I still be dissapointed? Definately. Could the detractors end up not liking it who give it a fair chance? Of course but I'd respect their opinion a heck of a lot more than since they have actually played the game and gave it a fair chance (which I feel Mantidor or Ian WILL NOT).
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 04, 2006, 12:07:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
I'm pretty sure Matt meant if you get the GCN version and not the Wii...He qualified that about actually owning a Wii, so I'm sure he doesn't consider people who by both to be stupid...
Yeah that is what he meant, he was speaking to those who are hating Zelda: TP's Wii controls without even trying it and saying the GC is better.
Post by: Requiem on November 04, 2006, 01:22:31 PM
No seriously....
After the intial impressions (which is all I need anyway), I have more faith in this game than ever before. I already thought it was going to be the best Zelda ever, and that was way back in the day when I thought it was simply for GC. Now, not only does it have all the elements I previously drooled over (e.g., horse-back sword fighting), but now its even easier to shoot arrows and such. That shooting arrow game in OOT in the Gerudo fortress was my favorite mini-game, and now I can't wait to see what the hell I have to do in TP with the added precision of the Wiimote.
Horse-back swordfighting should feel incredible as well.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 04, 2006, 01:38:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
So G.G.O.A.T.?
No seriously....
After the intial impressions (which is all I need anyway), I have more faith in this game than ever before. I already thought it was going to be the best Zelda ever, and that was way back in the day when I thought it was simply for GC. Now, not only does it have all the elements I previously drooled over (e.g., horse-back sword fighting), but now its even easier to shoot arrows and such. That shooting arrow game in OOT in the Gerudo fortress was my favorite mini-game, and now I can't wait to see what the hell I have to do in TP with the added precision of the Wiimote.
Horse-back swordfighting should feel incredible as well.
That is what I'm most looking forward too, I can't wait to shoot arrows without using the clunky aiming controls. Fishing is another part that I am super excited for because from what I've seen it is pretty realistic in how you use the Wiimote. Probaly the ONLY part I still have some reservations about is the sword fighting, but those are so minor now with the new reports that it won't be tiring and can feel natural.
Post by: Kairon on November 04, 2006, 02:36:32 PM
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Miyamoto
Ah, Othello.. yes, it’s kind of like that. But really, I didn’t upturn the table this time! Because when I really do it, it’s really huge, like “Link should be a woman!”
Aonuma
You’re kidding! (laughter)
Miyamoto
“To solve this problem, it’s quicker to make Link a woman!” (laughter)
But it wasn’t like that!
From a wife-of-a-fan translated interview of the latest Iwata Asks Interviews here on the NeoGaf forums.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 04, 2006, 02:39:06 PM
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And finally, you can fully modify your Wii remote's settings. For instance, you can turn the device's internal speaker volume up or down. An on-screen circle shows where your remote is pointed and if the angle of your hand doesn't seem to quite match with it, you can modify the settings using D-Pad Up or Down until it does. Meanwhile, you're directed to widen or shorten a separate on-screen field so that it directly matches the placement and size of your sensor bar. And finally, you're asked to push forward or backward with the Wii remote - which either increases or decreases the size of an on-screen circle so that it exactly matches another - and when the two are perfectly aligned you know you are playing from your optimal distance. It's clear that a lot of thought has gone into making sure that the pointer's accuracy is more than merely satisfactory.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 04, 2006, 03:26:09 PM
Post by: IceCold on November 04, 2006, 07:45:41 PM
QuoteI salute you Requiem.. you've backed the control shift since it was rumoured way back at the time of the delay. You even predicted the 3/4 view for aiming the bow-and-arrow instead of a first person view. Heh, remember those long debates?
Originally posted by: Requiem
So G.G.O.A.T.?
No seriously....
After the intial impressions (which is all I need anyway), I have more faith in this game than ever before. I already thought it was going to be the best Zelda ever, and that was way back in the day when I thought it was simply for GC. Now, not only does it have all the elements I previously drooled over (e.g., horse-back sword fighting), but now its even easier to shoot arrows and such. That shooting arrow game in OOT in the Gerudo fortress was my favorite mini-game, and now I can't wait to see what the hell I have to do in TP with the added precision of the Wiimote.
Horse-back swordfighting should feel incredible as well.
QuoteHeh, you must have had a hell of a time with the RE4 water boss..
I am deathly scared of stuff springing out at me in water levels, which is why I approach all water levels with tons of anxiety (the eel in SM64 spooked me too).
Post by: Artimus on November 04, 2006, 08:12:59 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteHeh, you must have had a hell of a time with the RE4 water boss..
I am deathly scared of stuff springing out at me in water levels, which is why I approach all water levels with tons of anxiety (the eel in SM64 spooked me too).
I was just thinking the same
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 04, 2006, 08:32:13 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteHeh, you must have had a hell of a time with the RE4 water boss..
I am deathly scared of stuff springing out at me in water levels, which is why I approach all water levels with tons of anxiety (the eel in SM64 spooked me too).
I was just thinking the same
If you mean the big lizard thing, yeah that was pretty intense especially when I got knocked into the water where I really freaked out. At least I didn't have to swim underwater lol.
Post by: TrueNerd on November 04, 2006, 08:49:15 PM
Anywho, if you haven't watched the newest 1Up Show (obviously at 1Up.com) I suggest you do so. Best video I've seen yet of the Wii controls in motion.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 04, 2006, 08:57:13 PM
Post by: Kairon on November 04, 2006, 09:10:19 PM
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Post by: IceCold on November 04, 2006, 09:12:40 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 05, 2006, 04:22:04 AM
Post by: wandering on November 05, 2006, 04:52:03 AM
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Luckily Zelda: TP will have tons more depth than the relitively shallow SotC :-P.
I'd love it if it had more emotional depth than SotC, but it's hard for me to imagine that happening....
Post by: ShyGuy on November 05, 2006, 09:09:09 AM
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Post by: Requiem on November 05, 2006, 10:22:06 AM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteI salute you Requiem.. you've backed the control shift since it was rumoured way back at the time of the delay. You even predicted the 3/4 view for aiming the bow-and-arrow instead of a first person view. Heh, remember those long debates?.
Originally posted by: Requiem
So G.G.O.A.T.?
No seriously....
After the intial impressions (which is all I need anyway), I have more faith in this game than ever before. I already thought it was going to be the best Zelda ever, and that was way back in the day when I thought it was simply for GC. Now, not only does it have all the elements I previously drooled over (e.g., horse-back sword fighting), but now its even easier to shoot arrows and such. That shooting arrow game in OOT in the Gerudo fortress was my favorite mini-game, and now I can't wait to see what the hell I have to do in TP with the added precision of the Wiimote.
Horse-back swordfighting should feel incredible as well.
I definitely remember those debates. Mantidor and I went at it for a while (like 4 months). I'm glad that's all over with now...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 05, 2006, 11:09:04 AM
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Luckily Zelda: TP will have tons more depth than the relitively shallow SotC :-P.
I'd love it if it had more emotional depth than SotC, but it's hard for me to imagine that happening....
I got about halfway through SotC and seen no emotional depth. It was "save the girl" and that was pretty much it with abstract cinematics.
Post by: stevey on November 05, 2006, 03:18:21 PM
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I'd love it if it had more emotional depth than SotC, but it's hard for me to imagine that happening....
TP will definitely 1000 time the emotional depth then any game there is...(very minor spoiler ahead)
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What we do have is a much more expressive Link, due to body language and facial expressions. We aren’t talking about just smiles and nods here. You know when Link feels ashamed, hurt, upset, angry, what have you. I found myself connecting with the character on a much deeper level than I have before. Now keep in mind, this is all without any spoken word (text scrolls) from Link. The rest of the cast in Twilight Princess (what I am allowed to talk about for now anyway) offers up some truly great additions to the series.
I have to mention Midna from the start, simply because I believe her to be one of the best contributions to the Zelda series to date. I know that many of you out there do not appreciate Tingle…and in some ways I feel that Midna is there to apologize for him. Midna is such a strong, unforgiving character…basically you will love to hate her. We have never seen a level of interaction between Link and another character like this before. Midna basically treats Link as her slave…as she is very dominant over him, especially in the Twilight Realm. We are used to seeing Link as the dominant character, not taking any guff from anyone…but due to storyline circumstances, we see Link letting himself be verbally abused, belittled by Midna. There are a few key points early on in your meeting with Midna where you get the feeling that she is a very domineering figure. There was actually once instance while playing where I truly felt bad for Link, and this interaction cemented my feelings towards Midna. Who knows what the rest of the game will bring, but for the purpose of this impressions article…Midna has left me with a sour taste in my mouth. This is not due to her characters roll at all…it is related to her treatment of Link. On the contrary, I believe that the character of Midna is one of the best, and most fleshed out characters we have seen in the Zelda series for quite some time.
You also have the cast of characters from your hometown as well. Back in Ocarina of Time, there were definitely a few characters that were memorable, and had more of a back-story to them. To contrast, in Twilight Princess, every single character you meet in your hometown has fleshed out more than the usual NPC. These characters don’t just offer you arbitrary goals to achieve…you find out about their families, jobs, and what is going on in their lives. I definitely had the feeling that much richer storyline was being developed from these townsfolk, and I hope this is something that continues on as the game progresses. It seems that Nintendo has gone out of their way to flesh out the back stories of all characters, as well as presenting you with many more cinematic scenes. This really helps create a much richer world to play in. If you thought the towns/townsfolk of Ocarina of time were engaging, you are really in for a treat. We always thought of the Zelda series as an epic one, and now we can see that Nintendo is really giving it a treatment to push the bar of what we expect from the series.
Link
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 06, 2006, 03:04:49 AM
Post by: Renny on November 06, 2006, 03:37:17 AM
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Luckily Zelda: TP will have tons more depth than the relitively shallow SotC :-P.
I'd love it if it had more emotional depth than SotC, but it's hard for me to imagine that happening....
I got about halfway through SotC and seen no emotional depth. It was "save the girl" and that was pretty much it with abstract cinematics.
Someone was born without any imagination. No one here doubts that this Zelda will have significant narrative, and almost certainly as much depth. But if you're going to knock SotC, come over to the Other Systems board. Just because a game doesn't have many cutscenes or any conversations with NPCs....
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on November 06, 2006, 06:18:47 AM
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Luckily Zelda: TP will have tons more depth than the relitively shallow SotC :-P.
I'd love it if it had more emotional depth than SotC, but it's hard for me to imagine that happening....
I got about halfway through SotC and seen no emotional depth. It was "save the girl" and that was pretty much it with abstract cinematics.
Someone was born without any imagination. No one here doubts that this Zelda will have significant narrative, and almost certainly as much depth. But if you're going to knock SotC, come over to the Other Systems board. Just because a game doesn't have many cutscenes or any conversations with NPCs....
Well I've had discussions with friends before in regards to SotC, and personally I find the so called "abstract" story to be an excuse to not write much of anything. If I wanted to make up my own stories I'll stick to my writing, I don't need it in a game. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy stuff that doesn't give you all the answers but SotC was so open ended I could never get attached to the main character.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 06, 2006, 06:38:00 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution I'm not sure exactly why I'm so freaked out by water levels, but I think it could be because I got terrified in one of the commander keen games when this giant fish popped out of nowhere and ate me when I was pretty young.
I have a bizarre fear of deep, murky water. If you can see clearly through it, it's no problem, but when you look and can't see what's beyond the murk, then it starts to bother me.
This fear will even agitate me in videogames. So long as I can see the fish, it won't bother me, but if there's murky water, it'll probably trigger the response.
Post by: Kairon on November 06, 2006, 09:48:08 AM
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Post by: Kairon on November 06, 2006, 10:22:52 AM
... I also had fears of giant squids being at the bottom of the deep end in swimming pools... and I was on the HS swim team... /cry
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Post by: Strell on November 06, 2006, 10:31:41 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution I'm not sure exactly why I'm so freaked out by water levels, but I think it could be because I got terrified in one of the commander keen games when this giant fish popped out of nowhere and ate me when I was pretty young.
I have a bizarre fear of deep, murky water. If you can see clearly through it, it's no problem, but when you look and can't see what's beyond the murk, then it starts to bother me.
This fear will even agitate me in videogames. So long as I can see the fish, it won't bother me, but if there's murky water, it'll probably trigger the response.
So do you have trouble playing Ecco the Dolphin?
'Cuz sometimes I do for the same reasons.
Edit: I guess VG does. For some reason, when they forced me to go into a big underwater cave and swim through it with little bioluminescent fish and I still died, that sort of kept me from continuing further.
One day I might go back and play it....
Geez. I mean the giant eel in Mario 64 still kinda gives me the creeps. So did the Sunshine levels.
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 06, 2006, 10:36:08 AM
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Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on November 06, 2006, 11:25:31 AM
It took me upwards of 30 or so minutes to put it together because I didn't want to accidently bend any part the wrong way. I have to say, the standee looks so freakin' awesome. My buddy said that I can pick it up about 1 month after the game comes out.
Here are images of the setup instructions. I can take a digital pic of the standee if anyone wants.
TP Setup Instructions - Front
TP Setup Instructions - Back
Post by: wandering on November 06, 2006, 12:44:50 PM
On the subject of water in videogames....it scares me, too. But for a different reason. In videogames, you are generally severely handicapped in the water: you can't attack and you can't move very well. I always feel kind of helpless against underwater enemies, and hate having to face them. So I was always filled with dread when I jumped into one of the 3 or so water levels in Mario 64.
Post by: Smoke39 on November 06, 2006, 12:50:55 PM
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I can take a digital pic of the standee if anyone wants.
Le'me see. O:
Post by: The Traveller on November 06, 2006, 01:07:03 PM
That 'doom' sound that starts playing when you have 5 seconds of air left, and your stuck behind a block or when your waiting for the next air bubble to appear. That always made me nervous.
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on November 06, 2006, 08:32:07 PM
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I can take a digital pic of the standee if anyone wants.
Le'me see. O:
Here you go.
Twilight Princess Standee 1
Twilight Princess Standee 2
Post by: Smoke39 on November 06, 2006, 08:34:16 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 07, 2006, 05:33:56 AM
Post by: MaryJane on November 07, 2006, 06:23:02 AM
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I can take a digital pic of the standee if anyone wants.
Le'me see. O:
Here you go.
Twilight Princess Standee 1
Twilight Princess Standee 2
Is that the GameCrazy in Garfield, NJ? It looks exactly the same if it's not. I know the setup of every store is similar, but this is freakily exact, the one in Clifton doesn't look that much like it.
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on November 07, 2006, 02:18:21 PM
Funny thing about this standee. After I've put it up, I left my name and phone number on the back so the manager knows it has been claimed; therefore, he won't give it away to somebody else. After thinking it over, I realized that my buddy already has my number, so I scribbled it off.
A short while after I left, a lady came into the store and asked if she can have it. Someone said that it has already been set aside for me, but then told her to call me to argue about it with me. Good thing I've already gotten rid of the number.
Post by: Darkheart on November 07, 2006, 05:20:18 PM
. . . . I always remember the first time I saw that damn fairy pop out of the fountain in OoT and scare the crap out of me with that weird laugh . . . .
Post by: Ceric on November 07, 2006, 05:21:57 PM
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Post by: King of Twitch on November 08, 2006, 07:59:11 AM
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Post by: Svevan on November 10, 2006, 04:46:09 AM
Zelda Screens at PGC
Post by: stevey on November 10, 2006, 10:17:24 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 10, 2006, 10:19:43 AM
Post by: Ceric on November 10, 2006, 10:29:45 AM
Edit:
I can't believe I typed Wii instead of really...
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2006, 10:35:11 AM
(Had already read what that bit is about, sounds awesome...)
Post by: Smoke39 on November 10, 2006, 01:51:47 PM
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Link is so f'ing hot...
Torn between avatars...
Post by: wandering on November 10, 2006, 02:04:15 PM
Post by: zakkiel on November 10, 2006, 02:04:27 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 10, 2006, 02:08:17 PM
[Or because wandering hates the word "sexy" (me too, but it's hard to come up with another word), let's go with "extremely attractive"...]
Post by: ThePerm on November 10, 2006, 02:11:12 PM
Post by: wandering on November 10, 2006, 02:14:14 PM
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[Or because wandering hates the word "sexy" (me too, but it's hard to come up with another word), let's go with "extremely attractive"...]
I am well aware you don't like the word "sexy".
"extremely attractive" works.
Post by: Smoke39 on November 10, 2006, 02:27:46 PM
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I'd prefer you kept the one you have now.....so I can continue hating you as much as possible.
What's so hateable about Kenshin? D:
Post by: Blackplague on November 10, 2006, 02:37:22 PM
Its not boxing, its sumo wrestling.
Did any of you watch the live gameplay on gamespot tonight? One word...... Awesome
Post by: wandering on November 10, 2006, 02:46:17 PM
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I'd prefer you kept the one you have now.....so I can continue hating you as much as possible.
What's so hateable about Kenshin? D:
It's just that I've associated his face with all things bad, and Link's face with all things good.
Post by: Smoke39 on November 10, 2006, 02:50:16 PM
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It's just that I've associated his face with all things bad
Are you implying that my posts are "all things bad"? You're breakin' my heart. ):
Post by: wandering on November 10, 2006, 03:18:56 PM
....No, seriously. Change it. It creeps me out. I swear I saw Kenwhatever blink once or twice.
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 10, 2006, 05:39:10 PM
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Post by: KnowsNothing on December 03, 2006, 10:10:33 AM
Anyway, all the threads round here are about Zelda spoilers, so this thread is going to be the place where you can just come in and scream at the top of your capslock how AWESOME THIS GAME IS. This game could really be the greatest Zelda ever, even beating out my beloved Link's Awakening D= It's basically OoT, except EVERYTHING is better (except for the music, which while still awesome, does not beat out OoT since oot's soundtrack is teh best ost EVER!!!11!!!)
My favorite area so far is either TEH LAKE or TEH FISHING LAKE. So omg awesome. Music rocks too. Favorite character in game (and possibly EVER) is the fat sad clown at TEH LAKE. The Gorons look sooooo cool. Epona runs FAST. Bomb arrows return for ultimate glory. Chicken fetus is runner up for best item/character. Midna is also the best companion ever. Zelda and Link are the sexiest ever.
Post by: IceCold on December 03, 2006, 10:15:08 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2006, 10:33:02 AM
Welcome to the club...
Hate clowns, though...How can you like the clown? Clowns are just........CLOWNS, UGH! (Midna, Ilia, and Agitha for the win!)
Post by: matt oz on December 03, 2006, 11:26:08 AM
I feel that this makes me retarded in some way.
Agree/Disagree?
(For the record, it took me about an hour to figure out how to get that damn cat back to its owner)
Post by: BigJim on December 03, 2006, 11:33:48 AM
Ok, so basically I'm at the part where you have to help the lady and the sick zora kid across the field. Call me a noob, but there is something difficult about controlling Epona, multiple weapons, fending off 5 enemies, and blowing out fires at the same time.
Maybe my B-trigger/Z-targetting technique is just fubar'd. What does everybody else do?
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 03, 2006, 11:39:04 AM
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Post by: KnowsNothing on December 03, 2006, 12:41:42 PM
Also, at one point during the whole ordeal I actually got off Epona and fought the enemies on foot. I knocked them off their boars while on epona, then I got off and killed them. Then I hopped back on Epona, caught up with the cart, and continued on. It was much easier than trying to to do it all on horseback.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on December 03, 2006, 09:16:52 PM
I didn't use any techique, though. I just went straight at it. :P
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 03, 2006, 09:55:22 PM
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The last post in this thread is from BEFORE LAUNCH. That is terrible.
Anyway, all the threads round here are about Zelda spoilers, so this thread is going to be the place where you can just come in and scream at the top of your capslock how AWESOME THIS GAME IS. T
Check out my thread, it kind of got buried with the onslaught of Wii posts, it was created especially for avoiding spoilers!
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 04, 2006, 03:26:30 AM
The best part of this game, is the story telling direction.
The game begins with a more linear focus with strong story arc elements, directing the player on a very specific path. These leads to some of the coolest moments in video game history, and allows players to push forward and get additional weapons and items to play with.
Then, once the player has enough options to truly play around and explore, the game seems to take a step back from the story elements and open the entire world to play in. The field seems to have a nice variety of enemies to kill and practice, and the secrets as vast and worth exploring the entire world for.
Truly one of the best paced games ever created.
