Post by: IceCold on August 21, 2006, 10:19:08 PM
Quote"Wii Prove our Promise" is the title of the keynote speech that Nintendo is presenting. Let's hope they deliver. Here are a few predictions..
8/23/06 Games Convention / Messe Leipzig
10:15, Nintendo Booth, Hall 5, F01
Be there when a new chapter is turned in the history of gaming. Dive into the world of Wii and make yourself a picture of the animated future of gaming.
Games that will touch generations.
Wii and where?
At the press show of the Games Convention, to which we hereby invite you cordially.
1) The big guns will show up. I'm talking about Namco and Capcom, of course.. They have been surprisingly quiet when it comes to the Wii, and hopefully some of their projects will be revealed. Resident Evil? Okami? A new IP from one of them? Hopefully, Konami and SEGA have something ready too, but I'm not as hopeful about them.
2) Launch dates and price will be revealed. It seems like the perfect time, and Nintendo doesn't want these price rumours to keep going; it's better to stop them in their tracks.
3) WiFi/Virtual Console announcements. These had better be good - Wii's online plans haven't really been revealed, and there isn't much support for them yet.
4) There is a separate event scheduled involving EA and Nintendo. They're sure to show off some new Wii games for their franchises.
Any other speculation?
Post by: Strell on August 21, 2006, 11:21:06 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2006, 11:29:51 PM
1. 3 new exclusive Wii games (1 from Nintendo and perhaps two others from from another company(s))
2. More details on the Virtual Console
3. More knowledge of what will be coming out at launch and what will be launch window
Post by: Mario on August 21, 2006, 11:40:35 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 22, 2006, 04:36:55 AM
I also believe Nintendo will be showing off its online structure. Releasing information how it works, what they have planned for it and what not. Finally, I believe Nintendo will be showing off more games...hopefully Mario Galaxy will be ready for launch or close to it.
Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2006, 04:47:04 AM
- 1. Date and Release price and number of units every company is getting within the week. (They need Pre-orders to start)
2. New games.
3. VC Details from elaborate to just showing a person buying a game.
4. Wii World Tour announced.
5. Reggie busteds in on his See Monster to dominate the unbeleivers in Europe.
6. EA is going to show Madden. Reggie or Europes Reggie equivalent is going to be playing Madden and showing it off.
7. Perrin Kaplan Sacrificed for Wii's success.
8. Rayman Demo during keynote.
That's my Brainstorming on the event. 1,2,3,6 I'm sure pretty sure will happen
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2006, 05:16:24 AM
Post by: Pale on August 22, 2006, 05:19:40 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 22, 2006, 05:59:44 AM
I also hope we'll see some more of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. I'm really interested in both games, but both seem to be under wraps. Are these really going to be ready for launch? Maybe in Japan, but what about here?
And hopefully there will be a couple of new games as well. I know Nintendo is working on Wii Motorsports, maybe we'll get a look at the jet ski mode. New games from Namco or Capcom would be great too.
These are just the things I want to see and hear. As for what I think Nintendo will actually say, I think it will reveal a few of the things I've mentioned, but the only thing I'm sure Nintendo will talk about is online and WiiConnect24. There might also be another secret behind the console or the controller. All of that would be nice, but to me it's just icing on the cake. I'm already sold on Wii, I want concrete details on the games and the machine now.
Post by: stevey on August 22, 2006, 05:59:55 AM
17 hours
0 minutes
5 seconds
Untill Nintendo Leipzig 06 Press Conference.
Kick ass.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 22, 2006, 06:21:31 AM
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Be there when a new chapter is turned in the history of gaming. Dive into the world of Wii and make yourself a picture of the animated future of gaming.
Mario Paint?
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Games that will touch generations.
Obviously about the DS.
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Wii and where?
Sounds like "When and where?" If anything hints at a revelation of launch details, it's this line.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 22, 2006, 07:27:36 AM
If nothing else, the sheer amount of speculation which happens in the absence of information will start getting people hyped for false information and that's never a good thing.
Post by: Neodymium on August 22, 2006, 07:37:45 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 22, 2006, 07:40:10 AM
and maybe a site with a countdown timer?
Post by: Smoke39 on August 22, 2006, 08:02:04 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBearQuote
Wii and where?
Sounds like "When and where?"
Nope, it's playing on the fact that Wii is pronounced just like wie, which means how.
Post by: Donutt007 on August 22, 2006, 08:21:42 AM
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Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2006, 08:54:58 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
There is now:
17 hours
0 minutes
5 seconds
Untill Nintendo Leipzig 06 Press Conference.
Kick ass.
hehehehehehehehehe....
Post by: Chris1 on August 22, 2006, 09:15:32 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Does anyone know of a LIVE internet streaming broadcast?
and maybe a site with a countdown timer?
This is all I could find, how it helps!
http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 22, 2006, 09:24:24 AM
Quotefixed for you
Originally posted by: Chris1Quote
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Does anyone know of a LIVE internet streaming broadcast?
and maybe a site with a countdown timer?
This is all I could find, how it helps!
Nintendo-Revolution.blogspot.com
and what was in the link you ask?
THQ TV
its supposed to be direct feed from the LGC, but is it goinng to cover the Nintendo conference?
Post by: Artimus on August 22, 2006, 10:38:01 AM
Post by: BigJim on August 22, 2006, 10:44:17 AM
Hope to find a forum thread somewhere or some type of live coverage.PGC Chat anyone?
13 hours.
Post by: Strell on August 22, 2006, 12:10:37 PM
I'll be up with some fellow CAGs tonight. I guess PGCers could join too. I'll drop by with more details.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 22, 2006, 02:03:08 PM
Post by: BigJim on August 22, 2006, 02:32:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale
For those who hate time zones, that is at 4:30 am tomorrow morning eastern time.
Post by: King of Twitch on August 22, 2006, 03:12:09 PM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 22, 2006, 04:12:35 PM
DOUBLE THE FIST
Post by: Pale on August 22, 2006, 06:32:03 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 22, 2006, 07:12:31 PM
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 07:14:27 PM
BOMB VON DROPPEN! Good thing it'll be around 6pm here when news hits.
Post by: stevey on August 22, 2006, 07:16:08 PM
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 22, 2006, 07:58:58 PM
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 08:16:49 PM
I'm guessing the first half hour of the conference will be just about how well DS is selling and how well Wii is being received, then the interesting part with (hopefully) new announcements. Trailers of new games would be the best thing I can ask for.
I wonder how quickly information will be relayed out of the place where the speech is being held... live text updates should mean up to the minute stuff.
Post by: Kairon on August 22, 2006, 08:55:23 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LLEEEEEEEEEEEEIIPPPPPZIG!
On the other hand, Pacific Standard Time rawks. only 1:30am where I'm at, easily within my normal sleeping patterns.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Caterkiller on August 22, 2006, 09:52:30 PM
And where the heck did Matt drop a Pit rumor? I can't find it anywhere.
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 10:00:57 PM
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Don't pass out or anything. This is really JUST a rumor at this point and we have no reason to believe it's true. But that said, one of the things floating around GC 2006 right now is that Nintendo may announce a new Kid Icarus for Wii.
Again, a rumor. R-U-M-O-R. And it's more likely to be false than not, which is why I'm merely posting it to the boards right now.
Say it with me: Rumor.
Good. Now that we have that out of the way, sure would be pretty cool if it could, by some chance, turn out to be true.
Matt
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 22, 2006, 10:30:57 PM
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Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 10:47:08 PM
http://wii.ign.com/articles/727/727276p1.html
This seems the only place where we'll get updates, but i'd rather not refresh IGN and their million adverts.
Eurogamer seems completely dead already!
http://www.eurogamer.com/
EDIT: http://wii.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=7423
Seems AMN will have live updates too, not sure how quick and reliable that will be though.
Post by: INeedToFinish on August 22, 2006, 11:03:43 PM
Leipzig! I am excited. And tired.
edit: prediction: if the price is $170 or less, I expect they will announce "under $200" tonight. If it isn't, I don't think they will announce anything about price.
Post by: Arbok on August 22, 2006, 11:09:14 PM
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Originally posted by: MarioThis seems the only place where we'll get updates, but i'd rather not refresh IGN and their million adverts.
Two words:
Firefox + Adblock
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 11:20:35 PM
Perfect!
10:16AM: The presentation is about to start.
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 11:21:51 PM
Better one!
Post by: INeedToFinish on August 22, 2006, 11:22:01 PM
exciting!
Post by: BigJim on August 22, 2006, 11:23:15 PM
Looks like several sites have text updates. cool
Post by: Arbok on August 22, 2006, 11:25:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10155/
Perfect!
10:16AM: The presentation is about to start.
Can anyone actually get that link to work? I keep clicking on "Halle 5" and get nothing. Oh well, perhaps for the best as I to be at work in a little under six hours. Hopefully there will be some nice details to read early in the morning.
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 11:26:59 PM
No text update for 10 whole minutes! Maybe Reggie showed up and crushed everyones mobile devices.
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 11:28:00 PM
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There's a German chap on the stage - Bernd Fakesch - promising "surprising" announcements and so forth.
Post by: BigJim on August 22, 2006, 11:28:30 PM
He's talking about the effect of Nintendo's new strategy on the market. Lots of people who weren't playing before have become gamers. It's the usual Nintendo patter - "expanding the definition of gaming", and so forth.
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 11:29:48 PM
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We're in for some "very prominent guests, too"
Kojima?
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 11:33:04 PM
Still PR talk at first, as expected.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 22, 2006, 11:34:44 PM
Post by: BigJim on August 22, 2006, 11:35:30 PM
Best page for updates. you don't even have to refresh. And they update the most frequently
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 11:36:18 PM
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The DS and Wii will introduce intuitive controls, and the new world of videogames will rapidly welcome digital immigrants and their ilk. Adults and girls are mentioned as key targets.
PR speak continues
Post by: PaLaDiN on August 22, 2006, 11:37:16 PM
Post by: BigJim on August 22, 2006, 11:38:09 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 22, 2006, 11:40:43 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=66864
Best page for updates. you don't even have to refresh. And they update the most frequently
Awesome page, thanks!
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 11:43:30 PM
Kiddie get! Not quite.
Post by: Mario on August 22, 2006, 11:44:40 PM
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Now he's talking about the consistent sales of Brain Training - it sells around 60,000 units a week steadily in Germany.
LOL that's even more than Japan.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 22, 2006, 11:45:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
44 percent of DS owners are female, 35 percent are over 35 years old.
Kiddie get! Not quite.
That is awesome, shows that Nintendo knew what they were doing when they created Nintendo DS even with all the naysayers complaining that it was doomed because of the "non-gamer" strategy.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 22, 2006, 11:52:03 PM
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Post by: Mario on August 23, 2006, 12:15:05 AM
Mario Strikers Wii confirmed!
Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 12:15:10 AM
"Do you play games sometimes?" "Sometimes, yes." "Do you own a Nintendo DS?" "No." Oops.
Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 12:16:22 AM
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Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 12:19:32 AM
It's called Mario Strikers Charged
They've chosen Thunder Island as the stadium. "Rated: Lethal!" It looks very similar to Super Mario Strikers, graphically. Shot from the side and above, and very similar shooting mechanism.
It's got special moves - super shots. Mario leaps into the air and fires the ball down from the sun. Another player holds up his hands, using the Wii controller to block.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 23, 2006, 12:20:28 AM
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Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 12:22:37 AM
Another new game: Battalion Wars 2.
Post by: Mario on August 23, 2006, 12:23:37 AM
Post by: Hocotate on August 23, 2006, 12:24:48 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2006, 12:26:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Hocotate
Wow, I guess those rumors about a new Mario Strikers were true!
I am pumped to see how both Strikers and Batallion Wars use the Wiimote (besides the short demo for Strikers).
Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 12:27:35 AM
Wii Sports Tennis... Golf... Orchesta... Excite Truck... Super Mario Galaxy... The plane demo... Metroid Prime 3... Table Tennis... WarioWare! Baseball! Red Steel! Zelda!
Yeah, it's the reel from E3.
Post by: Mario on August 23, 2006, 12:28:29 AM
Games announced
- Mario Football Wii
- Battalian Wars Wii
Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 12:28:41 AM
That seems to be our lot. So, in summary - the actually new things from the last hour were... Mario Strikers Charged; Battalion Wars 2; a pink DS Lite
Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 12:29:54 AM
Event with Reggie on Sept 14. I guess we wait longer.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2006, 12:29:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
All done.
Games announced
- Mario Football Wii
- Battalian Wars Wii
I sure hope there is more news than that stuff at Lepzig, maybe in interviews later on? Even if there aren't, at least they showed two new games that have alot of promise!
Post by: Hocotate on August 23, 2006, 12:31:30 AM
Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 12:32:05 AM
Post by: Strell on August 23, 2006, 12:33:43 AM
Everyone buy all IGN forever now.
I am not even kidding.
Post by: Mario on August 23, 2006, 12:33:59 AM
Post by: Hocotate on August 23, 2006, 12:35:33 AM
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Post by: Mario on August 23, 2006, 12:49:18 AM
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Format: Wii™
Game Type: Fighting Football
Players: 1-4
Developer: Next Level Games / Nintendo
KEY INFORMATION
Take to the pitch as Mario Strikers Charged (the follow up title to Mario Smash Football) returns with an all new roster of features, only for Wii.
• Use the skill the Wii Remote and Nunchuk Controller provide to win the ball, score unstoppable goals and take control of the goal keeper to perform spectacular saves
Characters: Mario is joined by other famous Nintendo characters who take on the role of captain. Players then select a host of popular teammates to make up the rest of the team.
How to progress through the game: Players form an original team by combining one of 12 captains with three of eight sidekicks before competing in one of the games many modes. Anything goes in Mario Strikers Charged as players are allowed to utilize a variety of special abilities to clinch important goals.
Super abilities/power ups/moves/features: Each captain has their own set of skills, super abilities as well as the ability to perform special shots called Mega Strikes, where the iron ball splits up to five balls and flies at the goal. The defending player must use the Wii Remote to target and aim at and shoot these balls out of the air before they concede a goal. In this game players can also charge energy to the metal ball, making it more likely to find its target when fired at goal.
Each of the stadiums in Mario Strikers Charged have various characteristics and contraptions, which influence game play. Players must learn to use this to their advantage to truly dominate the pitch.
Multiplayer: Mario Strikers Charged will not only feature an action packed multiplayer mode but will also support the Nintendo WiFi connection service, allowing players to take part in tournaments with people from all around the world.
WiFi!
HELL YES!
EDIT: BWii ONLINE AS WELL! AWESOMENESS!
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Battalion Wars fact sheet:
3 Online Multiplayer Modes
Assault: Instant Combat
Skirmish: Tactical depth
Co-op: Work with friends
3 Theatres of War
Combine land, sea and air combat
5 New Naval Units
Battleship, Frigate, Submarine, Dreadnought, Transport
6 Different Races, 5 Different Environments
With new vehicles for each side
Wii-Controller
Provides intuitive, all-action gameplay
Greater tactical depth
Capture facility buildings to re-spawn units (HQ, Barracks, Factories, Airfield, Docks)
Use Map Screen Commanding to order from afar
Bigger and Better
20+ single player missions AND 15+ mp missions
Increased replay value
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 23, 2006, 01:18:51 AM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 23, 2006, 01:29:23 AM
Post by: stevey on August 23, 2006, 01:53:06 AM
OH NO!
Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 01:57:24 AM
Ok thats it. I'm tired of Nintendo jerking us around. "We Prove are Promise" My .... . That was nothing. It was fluff. They made announcements early in the week that where more exciting.
Mario Strikers wii... Woopty flip. Really too soon.
Battallion Wars Wii. Great but yet again Woopty Flip. Really too soon.
Did we prove that Nintendo is turning into Sony more and more. Yep I think that's pretty clear now.
I'm sure right now, Matt and the other journalist that Flew to Europe to go to this event expecting something big are being laughed at.
This all could have been done just as effectively with a press release and a demo reel. No reason to even invite the foreign press.
Each time Nintendo jerks me around like this I want the Wii less and Less. With this last Jerking I'm no longer saving money for the Wii. .... it. If this is how Nintendo wants to treat me then forget it. I'll go over to MS who doesn't Jerk me around.
I'm going to reread everything and Maybe just Maybe I missed something. Though I don't think so.
My trust in Nintendo is slowly but surely being undermined by stuff like this. Yesterday if you would ask me if I beleived the Wii had all the features that Nintendo has promised. I would say yes without any real hesitation. Just had Faith they be their in some form. Now I honestly can't say that I beleive the Virtual Console will actually be working on day 1 or that the Wii itself won't have hardware problems. But according to this Nintendo has promised us nothing.
Phantom = PS3
PS3 = Wii.
Next announcement entitled "Wii Reveal All".
"Wii are very excited your are here. As you know the Wii will be a revolutionary Console. With games you can play with are revolutionary new input. With a Blue Ocean Strategy like the DS. The DS has ..% of the Dog population and ..% of the Urban Gangsta Population that we have been having a hard time with now. It was a hard battle but we overcame the PSP in these areas assuring are market dominance.
There are going to be multiple new titles for your DS this year. Please be excited. Also in every territory but the US we will be releasing a Red, White, and Blue DSLite with an etched Bald Eagle on it. We think these will sell well. Sorry US NOA has opted to forgo this exciting new product to keep uniformity in the look of the US DSLite population to avoid brand confusion.
Some of the games you will be playing on your DS withing the next year. Cooking with Soncho. Wonderful Boy Yami. Megaman spinoff. Nintencat. Oddballz. NSMB 2. As you can see this is a very exciting time for the DS and are three Pillar strategy.
*Shows DS footage*
*Shows people playing the Wii*
With the Wii you really have to experience it to know it. That being said there will be no public Demo of the Wii at this event but please feel free to visit are DS booth. In fact there are new and exciting features we are releasing on the DS. Soon your DS will be able to make phone calls much like a Voip phone. This feature could be used to contact your friends to ask them to play games or just as a cheap phone alternative.
*Shows someone playing a "new" Wii game*
I am pleased to announce that Soul Calibur will be making a return to a Nintendo platform. I am also pleased to announce Pikmin 3 is in development.
*end*"
The next Event held 2 Day AFTER the launch of the Wii entitled: "How the DS will change the Future" (for fun lets say this is November 19.)
"The DS really helped prove our Blue Ocean Strategy. Which was the foundation of are strategy with the Wii. Now I know why you all are here. You want to know the launch price and date of the Wii. Well the Wii will be launched on November 17th with a launch price of $250 please put your preorders in now. In an unprecedented move to expand are market for the first month you will not be able to obtain the Wii threw traditional channels.
Yes you heard me right. Wii are really trying to expand the market so we thought of the best way to attract people who did not follow Nintendo news already. We came up with launching on the same day as the PS3 because that allowed us to distract the Hardcore. Then we coupled that with offering the Wii through such retailers as Cingular, Verizon, Belks, Krogers, and McDonalds. We have foregone are traditional avenues of distributions, including Gamestop Corp, Walmart, Target, KMart, Best Buy and other traditional game vendors, until December the 17th.
Also Developers units have been shipped to the press as of Today. Please be expecting them."
Done. Thats it. Still hasn't told us anything and the system is out. Still worried that Sony might steal the secret sauce.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2006, 02:06:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
lots of words
Hey I figured it wouldn't be anything special, we may still get some tidbits on the virtual console and some launch games. The trouble with people getting dissapointed with these events is that the internet is hyping them up to grand proportions and NOT Nintendo. All Nintendo does is let people stir up rumors, they don't create them, they title an event and the hype machine starts from there. Matt and the rest of IGN crew will be fine, I am willing to bet they get to play new builds of Red STeel, Rayman, and also the new games announced, Battalion along with STrikers. That would be worth the trip right there, to get your hands on two new promising titles along with some of the newer builds.
Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 02:20:44 AM
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Be there when a new chapter is turned in the history of gaming. Dive into the world of Wii and make yourself a picture of the animated future of gaming.
On the invite. How can you not expect something bigger then normal?
There was nothing that was of that proportion in this announcement. The fact of the matter is that they could have just shown someone going through the motions to buy a VC game and they would have filled the bill for me. Which wouldn't have been much but we are all so hyped that we would herald it the second coming. Then they do this. You almost have to sit down with the goal of releasing just enough information to stop people from really marking this event in the books. Anything anything at all really doing something with the non-game release side of the Wii was all they had to do. They could have just shown the face creator for WiiSports and I be happy. I'm not hard to please.
Yes I would like a price and Launch date. I really was only half expecting it. What I was expecting from the Invite was something that was not a game release. They could have shown the Finished version of the new Zapper. That would have worked too. Notice none of this stuff is complicated or hard and probably would have just been grabbing something. Shoot I'll make it even easier; the VC demo could have even been a trailer.
Edit: Grammar.
Post by: Mario on August 23, 2006, 02:35:51 AM
Post by: Pale on August 23, 2006, 02:41:19 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 23, 2006, 02:55:06 AM
Wii prove our promise? From what I see here, Nintendo proved nothing with this show. There's no information on any of the questions about online or launch that people actually want answered. There isn't even any new information on Nintendo's previously-announced games. Instead we get two sequels to games that were released just last year. Make no mistake, I'm sure they're great games, but it's hard for me to care about sequels to games I haven't even played yet.
I'm not some naive lunatic that's going to run through the streets proclaiming, "Nintendo is dead, don't buy a Wii!" just because I didn't get information. I'm used to Nintendo keeping info hidden, and this doesn't change my mind about anything. But with less than three months left, I hoped Nintendo would "prove it's promise" with some concrete answers to all the questions it has left open, especially launch questions.
I can't wait for Wii, but Nintendo proved nothing here.
Post by: Hocotate on August 23, 2006, 02:58:13 AM
Edit -- I don't blame Nintendo for holding back this time... TGS is RIGHT around the corner, and I think it would be best to hold off for just a little longer and make a big slash at TGS.
Post by: TMW on August 23, 2006, 03:10:45 AM
How long is this conference, anyways?
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Post by: Pale on August 23, 2006, 03:35:50 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 04:00:38 AM
Actually I said I stopped saving for a Wii. Not that I won't by one. I still have to replace my Cube. Though I won't be getting one till I happen to have enough money to get it laying around. It's not so much that they didn't announce information. Thats Nintendo. Its how they jerked us around when doing it. There announcement clearly states that this is an event that should be remembered. As I said in me earlier post that would have not been a hard thing to do. But they didn't. Instead we got 2 sequels. Not even a new IP.
The both sound like Wiimakes to me. Battalion Wars 2 sound like it's going to be what Battalion Wars was suppose to be and the new Strikerz Well I have to hold an opinion until I get some hands on with the original. The game didn't even have to be a New IP from Nintendo.
With all the launch games announcing two more games does not live to the expectations that Nintendo gave with the invitation.
Also does anybody now where a Video of the Screen for Battalion Wars 2 are?
Post by: Artimus on August 23, 2006, 04:36:18 AM
That online Strikers and BW info is GREAT though. Online tournaments!
Post by: Kairon on August 23, 2006, 04:57:17 AM
Seriously guys, this is Nintendo Europe. We should've known better than to expect anything spectacular. Somebody clone reggie and ship him over there pronto!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 05:07:44 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 23, 2006, 05:09:45 AM
The games Nintendo showcased proved that Nintendo is different, and giving all their franchises equal treatment. BWii is a fantastic surprise, and I am thrilled that Nintendo didn't take its poor sales to heart and is giving it a early launch on a soon to be successful system to rack up sales.
I am thrilled Nintendo chose Strikers instead of Mario Golf or Tennis to be the first Mario Sports game out...and that is breaking tradition there.
I am trilled Nintendo already has 3 online games planned and announced, with what you know will be much more in the future. Nintendo really is keeping their promises with the Wii.
Post by: Kairon on August 23, 2006, 05:11:21 AM
Anyways, it was the internets and our own inherent fanboyism that altered the reality of this event. We should all be in a psychology study. It'd make a good write-up.
Can you say "Megaton?"
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Post by: couchmonkey on August 23, 2006, 05:17:35 AM
Anyway, one last time: I love Wii, I just thought this conference was a letdown. I've retreated back to my usual stance of expecting nothing from Nintendo so I'll be pleasantly surprised next time instead of disappointed.
Post by: Rhoq on August 23, 2006, 05:24:07 AM
Post by: Artimus on August 23, 2006, 06:32:21 AM
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Anyone else concerned with the long load time seen in the Super Mario Strikers Charged video over at IGN?
Considering it looked like an extremely early beta, no.
Also, they're making Strikers because golf and baseball are both in WiiSports.
Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 06:38:12 AM
Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2006, 07:37:40 AM
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On the invite. How can you not expect something bigger then normal?
PR. Get used to it.
And I'd wait until the show is over before belly-aching even though most people shouldn't have expected anything super special anyway. No one saw Smash Brawl coming after like the end of the first day of E3. I won't hold my breath, but you never know though.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 23, 2006, 07:50:59 AM
1) They begin by using the DS as an example, talking numbers, vision, and realized potential of the DS hardware and software in Europe.
2) They show 2 new Wii games. One that specifically will be big in Europe (Strikers) and another which is a sequel to a brand new Nintendo franchise (I know BW is sorta Advanced Wars, but it also isn't.)
3) Nintendo showed 2 more games that will have Online features showing us that finally Nintendo will have online gaming before Brawl is released. Many more online games are probably in the works.
4) Nintendo announced important 3rd party support from the big players like: Capcom, Konami and more.
This press conference was short, but it was full of potential, you are just being hard on an event that we built up in our own minds.
Finally, the only thing I was disappointed in was Nintendo not sharing release dates or prices, but I realized that prices would have been wierd to announce at this event.
Post by: Neodymium on August 23, 2006, 07:54:08 AM
Nintendo will keep torturing us forever. I just want a release date. Is that so hard? You already have like a million or more Wiis made. You're just asking to get your warehouses ransacked.
Well guys, it's gotta be TGS. It's got to be.
Post by: Jin-X on August 23, 2006, 08:00:41 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on August 23, 2006, 08:03:10 AM
I want Nintendo to annouce the damn release date just because without one it's hard to believe that things are actually going to be ready on time. Now obviously how ready Nintendo truly is doesn't have anything to do with when they choose to annouce a date but I just want to know so I can relax. It's easier to get excited about a console when you know if you can afford it or not and you know what games are available at launch. Yeah we've seen games but for all we know the actual launch will suck. Some concrete information about the launch can clear that up.
Plus this secrecy bullsh!t just pisses me off. No one is going to steal the f*cking launch date. This company reveals the f*cking controller early and Sony copies it but trivial information? That's got to kept under wraps.
Post by: EasyCure on August 23, 2006, 08:14:33 AM
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I am really happy I didn't stay up late for that. I mean there was some new info which is good but it isn't what I want to know.
I want Nintendo to annouce the damn release date just because without one it's hard to believe that things are actually going to be ready on time. Now obviously how ready Nintendo truly is doesn't have anything to do with when they choose to annouce a date but I just want to know so I can relax. It's easier to get excited about a console when you know if you can afford it or not and you know what games are available at launch. Yeah we've seen games but for all we know the actual launch will suck. Some concrete information about the launch can clear that up.
Plus this secrecy bullsh!t just pisses me off. No one is going to steal the f*cking launch date. This company reveals the f*cking controller early and Sony copies it but trivial information? That's got to kept under wraps.
why should you care ian? you're not getting it at launch anyway, you're going to wiat until theres a price drop and you can get a cheap bundle package, arent you?
oh well, atleast we know nintendo has started production. sony already confirmed that they havent started and they do have a finalized launch date. i'd say nintendo's boat is in safer waters right now
Post by: Ian Sane on August 23, 2006, 08:35:13 AM
A good launch is a good first impression and a weak launch is a bad first impression. The first impression can have a large effect on sales and regardless of when I buy a Wii I want it to have a strong marketshare. I want it to have a good launch that attracts a healty amount of GAMERS to the system so that my tastes fit into the target demographic of the console. If I really like the launch then people with tastes like me will buy the console and that has a postive affect my future Wii satisfaction. A rocky start that fails to attract a strong marketshare or one that just attracts Nintendo fanboys, kids, and non-gamers doesn't benefit me.
Post by: JonLeung on August 23, 2006, 08:51:41 AM
Sure, I wanted to hear about new games and a release date and price. Okay, so we got to see some Mario Strikers Charged and BWii, but they didn't actually say a date and price. Oh well, big whoop.
I guess there's TGS. Yippee, they are more likely to announce a date with each event. And if they don't then, oh well. They'll tell us SOMEtime.
I'm excited about the Wii as much as anybody, but knowing the date or not doesn't actually make it come any faster.
Yeah - sounds odd, coming from me, who wanted a countdown, too. Maybe the speculation is wearying.
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on August 23, 2006, 09:14:06 AM
Post by: JonLeung on August 23, 2006, 09:21:23 AM
The bigwigs at Nintendo know everything, so they can't have any fun waiting to know. So they get their kicks by withholding information and watching us Nintendo fans squirm!
See, it's a win-win situation.
*(Anticipation is also fun as a Rare-developed NES multiplayer puzzle game which we might not see on the Virtual Console.)
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on August 23, 2006, 09:25:16 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 23, 2006, 09:37:09 AM
Corporate games and competition does happen. It is a crazy business. Protecting secrets is important.
Anyway, I think we had a pretty nice surprise with BWii, and we have something new to anticipate and talk about with both BWii and the new Mario Strikers game...and Strikers seemed to add some interesting gameplay elements...I can't wait to see how that turns out.
The best part is the press is playing these games at the conference so we will be able to know how they play and what we are going to be looking forward too. Great stuff.
Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2006, 10:11:34 AM
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That means October, November or December. Is it really the end of the world that you don't know the exact hour on the exact day?
No retailer will take Wii pre-orders until a release date is announced. And a price announcement helps with planning. If I save $250 to get the console and a game, I'm screwed if the console alone is $250.
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Protecting the launch date can be pretty important. Right now Microsoft can't set up to release a high profile game on the launch of the Wii because they don't know the date. The later they wait the less likely that is possible. Same with Sony, technically Nintendo can say we are launching November 18th and Sony could come out and Say they are going to instead release on the 11th.
At the same time, it's basically expected that any high profile console released sells out immediately. Also, Nintendo pushed back the release date of Gamecube 2 weeks which was conveniently like a week after Xbox launched. That didn't really change anything. I get your point, but I don't think withholding the release date is as important as you're making it out to be. People who want Wii and have the money for it are getting Wii. The same goes for PS3.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 23, 2006, 10:21:38 AM
I remember before the N64 came out, Nintendo released over 100 screenshots of Super Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64. It was heaven! I don't care if "playing is believing", I still want to see pictures of the games, and hear more about them. It seems like Ubisoft and THQ are the only ones talking about their games. I couldn't care less about THQ, and although I'm interested in Rayman and Red Steel, I've heard enough about them too.
So Nintendo gives me two screenshots of Battalion Wars and a movie of Super Mario Strikers that wouldn't even exist if it weren't for someone making a bootleg on the show floor. It's not enough!
Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 10:22:14 AM
My disappointment is not with Leipzig itself, it's the distinct lack of direct-feed promotional materials thus far. Pics/Videos. Compare this to other platforms and even Nintendo's previous launches.... it's a pathetic picture. We've mostly only seen a few screenshots and videos, per game, tops. And most of them were small. If not for off-camera video recordings, we'd have almost no videos. And those make the games look worse than they actually are.
And the reason is obvious. They can't compete graphically so there are fewer screenshots, and the screenshots we do get often seem to have the lame "action shots" of the players off the side to de-emphasize it all the more. They'd rather leave you mystified by the controller than actual game content... such is evidenced by the fact that the only thing with the "ZOMG" factor thus far is the controller itself. They better hope they have a Halo/GTA-sized idea in the works.
Even if you believe mid/late November is the launch date, Wii is now in it's 90 day window. Leipzig or not, I do expect better than this at this point. There's no time for any competitors to do any significant damage to anything anymore. The secrets have outdated themselves and it's gotten awfully boring being cockteased for 2+ years. Put out, bitch.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 23, 2006, 11:14:18 AM
I know, it's ridiculous. Does Nintendo plan on continuing with this trend after the Wii is released? How do they plan on building up any hype if we have no screens or movies to look at? Right now the Wii itself is the hype but after launch no one is going to put up with one sorta screenshot for annouced games. Nintendo needs to leave the little universe they live in once in a while and realize that 99% of their market doesn't go to tradeshows.
Graphics sell because they're the only thing that can be featured in magazines, catalogs, advertisements, web sites and the back of the box. Gameplay is VERY important but you can't promote it nearly as well. They can't rely entirely on people trying the games out. That will fail because it doesn't reach enough people. Give us screens and if that doesn't work next time think twice before gimping your console's graphic capabilities.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 23, 2006, 11:47:35 AM
I'm beginning to think Pale is right: launch on Nov. 19th...
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 23, 2006, 12:10:17 PM
Smash_Brother: Didn't Nintendo already say that the Wii would launch before the PS3?
Post by: JonLeung on August 23, 2006, 12:27:28 PM
I thought they said that too (that they would launch before the PS3), but even if they had, it may not have been definite.
Hey, if the PS3 gets delayed into next year, then it will be anyway.
Post by: INeedToFinish on August 23, 2006, 12:28:46 PM
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I remember before the N64 came out, Nintendo released over 100 screenshots of Super Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64.
And look how well that worked out for them.
From a fan perspective the lack of screens and info is aggravating. But from a marketing perspective, what Nintendo is doing is brilliant, at least imho.
edit: I think a good thing to look at would be how Disney markets it's rides. Since rides are something you really just need to exerpience, Disney can't just snap 100s of photos from inside the rides and publish them. So,when it comes time to promote a ride, they give out a handful of carefully constructed representational photographs/concept art which generally puts a heavy emphasis on the riders rather than the ride itself. Just like what Nintendo is doing.
Post by: Pale on August 23, 2006, 12:36:12 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on August 23, 2006, 12:58:29 PM
That's a pretty original comparison. But a ride isn't sold in stores. You pay a set fee at Disneyland and ride anything you want. They don't really care what you ride, they just want you to pay that admission to get in. A console is like paying admission for each ride so trying something out isn't as easy. Plus a ride is more like a service while a game is clearly a product.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 23, 2006, 01:10:18 PM
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I remember before the N64 came out, Nintendo released over 100 screenshots of Super Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64.
And look how well that worked out for them.
N64 sold huge at launch, as far as I know. GameCube had somewhat less media than N64, and it more or less sold out, but failed to outsell Xbox or to match the hype of the PS2 launch had the year before. Basically, I don't think releasing a zillion screenshots would affect the overall launch sales one way or another, but like you said, it would make the fans happy.
I have to say my anticipation for Red Steel and Rayman is going nowhere but up with each set of screens Ubisoft releases. Heck, I even started anticipating Spongebob Squarepants when IGN posted some screens (that was until I watched the movies, which feature an awful sound-alike voice actor).
Post by: INeedToFinish on August 23, 2006, 01:28:27 PM
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That's a pretty original comparison. But a ride isn't sold in stores.
Point well taken. Though I think selling the Wii might be a bigger challenge than selling it's games.
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I have to say my anticipation for Red Steel and Rayman is going nowhere but up with each set of screens Ubisoft releases.
Eh, I don't know. I guess my Rayman hype has been going up as well (kind of tired of Red Stell.) You'll notice, though, that we still only have a handful of Rayman screens, and they've been accompinied by that 'bunnies can't dance' campaign, so what they're doing isn't too different from what Nintendo is doing.
Post by: BigJim on August 23, 2006, 01:42:58 PM
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I remember before the N64 came out, Nintendo released over 100 screenshots of Super Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64.
And look how well that worked out for them.
N64 had about twice their current marketshare, or 12 million more units. But I digress. It wasn't because of more screenshots, of course.
Screens don't hurt (unless they suck. In which case it rests on the developers/Nintendo's lap). People that decide to buy games on hype alone, sight almost unseen, aren't going to be aplenty either.
Even Disney whores out DEMO DVDS with tangible content.
But there is a lack of ALL Wii content, even "experience" demonstrations, if you prefer that comparison.
Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 02:28:19 PM
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Planning and I'm tired of speculating about both of those things. There is just not enough variation that could happen in the hardware to make it exciting anymore. I'm ready to move on to the next system for speculation. So I want all the features and limitations of the hardware revealed.
On the VC I want information on that because before we really got game info we got VC info and then they went silent. We've gone a longways with no updates. It's a big feature. We are all interested in.
I'm tired of Game announcements. It's nice to have a lot of games announced. I rather like the large amount of support. Right now though I rather have more information about the games that are already announced. Especially the likes of Project H.A.M.M.E.R. and FF:CC:CB. More MP info and the like.
In the end its the lack of tangibles for things that are already announced.
Post by: IceCold on August 23, 2006, 09:56:15 PM
QuoteWe do not believe that the launch date and price are important. As such, we have decided to never reveal either of them..
And if they don't then, oh well. They'll tell us SOMEtime.
Post by: Michael8983 on August 23, 2006, 10:49:21 PM
If the console were going to be more expensive than most are assuming I think Nintendo would have let us know.
Kind of like how they let the name Wii out before E3. They knew that lots of people would freak over it and wanted to get it out of the way before the show began. People would freak just as much if the console were over $200. Same with launch date. If Nintendo wasn't going to have it done until late November I think they'd of gone ahead and announced it.
But the more they wait the more I think we could be in for a (as suggested by EA) $170 Wii in less than three months. It's understandable Nintendo wouldn't want the competition to know just how big an advantage it's going to have until it's too late.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2006, 11:27:21 PM
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Hey, I had unrealistic expectaions too (see first post), but I'm not really disappointed. If anything, now we have even more to look forward to! Just don't blame Nintendo for what you thought the conference would be..QuoteWe do not believe that the launch date and price are important. As such, we have decided to never reveal either of them..
And if they don't then, oh well. They'll tell us SOMEtime.
I am proud to admit I did not have unrealistic expectations, hey just look at my predictions. I said 3 new games announced, maybe some more VC news and perhaps some info on launch titles. Looks like I got 1 out of the 3 right (so far) but I wouldn't call them big expectations.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 23, 2006, 11:43:05 PM
1. Excitement.
2. Speculation.
3. Disappointment.
4. Hype that the next announcement will surely reveal everything.
Post by: Hocotate on August 23, 2006, 11:48:59 PM
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But the more they wait the more I think we could be in for a (as suggested by EA) $170 Wii in less than three months. It's understandable Nintendo wouldn't want the competition to know just how big an advantage it's going to have until it's too late.
I feel the same way. Remember how everyone was spelling doom for Nintendo because they didn't release hardly and info at E3 2005? We got a very nice surprise the next E3, and I believe at TGS Nintendo will create another wave of hype. Also, I don't blame Nintendo for holding back. Remember We all know what happened with the PS3 controller -_-
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 24, 2006, 12:00:30 AM
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Phases of fanboy emotions when an announcement is approaching:
1. Excitement.
2. Speculation.
3. Disappointment.
4. Hype that the next announcement will surely reveal everything.
Lol, that is so true. Personally I gave up overhyping myself and instead let them do their own thing, that way I am not super dissapointed and can look at the positives.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 24, 2006, 04:19:16 AM
I can wait for the September event to get information. Personally, I am already thinking and I guess hyping up that event. Each event Nintendo has shown us and more importantly allowed the press to play new games. I expect the same to happen at the September event. Nintendo will show 2 more games in playable form, along with all the other games. And, we will get a good understanding of where games are and which games are launch games.
Post by: JonLeung on August 24, 2006, 09:58:44 AM
I'm sure I've spent more time on Planet GameCube's forums this year than I will actually be playing the Wii.
(Well, I mean, that's kind of a given, seeing as how the Wii will be coming in the fourth quarter of this year, but still...)
It's like every day I'm on this board or others, and it's all just a prelude to when I finally get to play games on my own Wii.
It's not even here yet, but I already spent $700 (Canadian) of my own money mostly just to see and play the Wii at E3 (which I'm glad I managed to be able to do since E3 is no longer as it was). All that money spent, and I haven't actually bought anything tangible related to the Wii which I expect to own.
And we still hunger for morsels of information such as launch date and price.
I thought I had a point here but I forgot where I was going. Maybe despite all that, I don't really care when the release date is revealed. It's like I still want a bit of mystery surrounding the Wii. Once we know the date and price, once we have secured a Wii in our own homes with all the games we want, then we look forward to new games...but nothing as big as a whole 'nother console for another five years or so. Or something.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 24, 2006, 11:23:52 AM
IT SEEMS ACTIVISION HAD THEIR "AUTOFAIL" BOX CHECKED WHEN THEY BOOTED THEIR COMPUTER THIS MORNING. I GUESS THEY'RE NOT GETTING MY MONEY NOW. BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME, SUCKERS.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 24, 2006, 01:36:54 PM
We are going to be in an exciting time of developers trying new experiments...some will work some won't. I look forward to 2007 as being a huge online gaming experience for me with the new Wii. Until then I am happy with the launch games I get.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 24, 2006, 11:52:20 PM
