Post by: Donutt007 on August 19, 2006, 08:35:27 AM
PS3 Interview
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I think that we've always talked about shipping 2 million units worldwide within the calendar year. Since we're going with three territories, we haven't really come up with an allocation just yet. But even if you do the simple math you're talking about less than 700,000 units per territory, per major territory, between launch and the end of the year. So even if there was some fluctuation--you give Japan more, you give the US more, what have you--you're going to end up with some shortages. So I think that if we've done our jobs right and if we've been able to really have the consumers become interested in this product, then, unfortunately, I think it's going to be very much of a challenge to be able to meet every single unit demand that's out there in the market.
Possible shortage...that's not good
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We haven't started manufacturing yet. Some of our ops guys were actually just in China, and also in Japan just reviewing the [production] lines and everything else. But they are, again, preparing as we speak to get the manufacturing going. We've not announced and we haven't set really a specific date to say, "As of this day we're going to start manufacturing."
3 months to go...and no production yet
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I do think that the old E3 was great at what is was designed to do perhaps 10 years ago. But as the industry evolved, and as the show became bigger and bigger, a lot of the member companies said, "You know what? We need to take a real hard look at what E3 brings as a benefit versus the cost to put on the show."
Sony killed E3
There were some positive things said in that interview...but I don't like the PS3...so I posted the negative
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2006, 09:18:18 AM
Hahaha, not a good sign at all...
Post by: Kairon on August 19, 2006, 09:33:42 AM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 19, 2006, 09:35:05 AM
Those production numbers are probably Ideal numbers of 700,000 units per territory. If production hasn't started yet, then they have no idea what the ratio of defective units will be yet...and there is always bumps and incidents in the production lines. Just look at the Xbox 360. We are potentially looking for shortages worse than that. This is pretty bad for Sony.
On the other hand, you have Nintendo that has potentially been in production for awhile now, and they are confidently increasing their supplies at launch. Nintendo should also be facing far fewer numbers of defects because the technology isn't as cutting edge as the PS3...and not to mention Nintendo's track record of quality hardware.
Finally, I don't think Sony killed E3, but if I was Sony or any other 3rd party company I would have been upset to see Nintendo getting some much attention at the show, and our booth getting little to no love from the press. However, Nintendo came to the show with the goods and the most excitement, so you should have expected that Sony.
Post by: Ceric on August 19, 2006, 09:55:31 AM
(He didn't give a straight answer most of that interview.)
Post by: Requiem on August 19, 2006, 10:05:15 AM
Sell that sh!t like crack....
Post by: Ceric on August 19, 2006, 10:06:37 AM
Post by: Donutt007 on August 19, 2006, 10:15:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
Worm Kaz Hirai Worm!!!
(He didn't give a straight answer most of that interview.)
And he likes to say "At the end of the day" quite a bit and that annoys the piss out of me for some reason.
He pretty much comfirmed UMD movies are dead. (as if we didn't know)
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We see the UMD as really being a delivery medium of entertainment content. And as is the case with PlayStation 3, some things lend themselves better to a delivery medium through online to the memory stick. Other content lends itself better to a prerecorded medium in the form of a UMD disk. At the end of the day, our strategy is first and foremost to establish and certainly grow the PlayStation Portable as a portable gaming and entertainment device. As a by-product of that we've set up a format called the UMD. If there are advantages, or for the motion picture companies to take advantage of UMD to deliver their content or music companies to deliver their content on UMDs, that's great. But at the same time, if they perceive another delivery medium or other ways of delivering that content to the consumers to be enjoyed on the PlayStation Portable, at the end of the day that's all going to help in increasing the installed base of the PlayStation Portable, and that's all good news as far as we're concerned.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 19, 2006, 10:28:31 AM
Post by: wandering on August 19, 2006, 11:27:20 AM
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Sony killed E3
Mutual decision. As I understand it, Nintendo or any of the other big players could've decided to go next year, and then everyone would've been forced to attend, and e3 would still be alive.
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3 months to go...and no production yet
Has Nintendo started production yet?
Post by: Requiem on August 19, 2006, 11:30:09 AM
There was some news story around that time about how some company who is in league with Nintendo ramped up there production.
Post by: Garnee on August 19, 2006, 11:53:13 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2006, 01:08:40 PM
The fact that they have not started production yet only strengthens that argument.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2006, 02:50:28 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I stick with my statement that PS3 will not release in 2006.
The fact that they have not started production yet only strengthens that argument.
Has there ever been a time where a consoles official release date was delayed?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2006, 02:56:39 PM
Post by: BigJim on August 19, 2006, 05:00:24 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I stick with my statement that PS3 will not release in 2006.
The fact that they have not started production yet only strengthens that argument.
Has there ever been a time where a consoles official release date was delayed?
GameCube was set for Nov. 5th or something like that (according to Peter Main at that year's E3), but it was bumped about 2 weeks.
Edit: Oh and the N64 was delayed a month too.
For PS3, they don't necessarily need to be in production already, but they really should in the next couple weeks... not that I expect they'll have the full 2 million supply anyway.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2006, 05:48:09 PM
QuoteIf they can only produce enough systems to provide each store wit 1-3 systems then that is not a "real" launch, that is more of a teaser launch. The PS3's "real" launch won't be until about feb. next year, but by then hopefully Wii will already be established ahead of Xbox360 and PS3 won't matter as much anymore.
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
They won't delay it...They'll just claim that the PS3 is a massive success when they sell all three systems they ship to stores...
Post by: Smoke39 on August 19, 2006, 05:55:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Donutt007
And he likes to say "At the end of the day" quite a bit and that annoys the piss out of me for some reason.
Claude Comair likes to say that, too. And all your code are belong to Claude.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2006, 05:57:26 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1QuoteIf they can only produce enough systems to provide each store wit 1-3 systems then that is not a "real" launch, that is more of a teaser launch. The PS3's "real" launch won't be until about feb. next year, but by then hopefully Wii will already be established ahead of Xbox360 and PS3 won't matter as much anymore.
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
They won't delay it...They'll just claim that the PS3 is a massive success when they sell all three systems they ship to stores...
Well I meaaaaant 3 systems total...for the entire U.S....But okay! ='D
Post by: Ceric on August 19, 2006, 07:41:33 PM
Post by: wandering on August 19, 2006, 08:13:34 PM
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What I don't understand is how can you think you might make a Spring launch and then come third quarter and you don't seem to be giving any indication that you have anything ready at all.
Because Sony lies as a matter of course?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2006, 10:39:10 PM
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What I don't understand is how can you think you might make a Spring launch and then come third quarter and you don't seem to be giving any indication that you have anything ready at all.
Because Sony lies as a matter of course?
PS3 is all a dream, we are trapped within the twilight zone and it never really existed. We are in fact the pawns of the giant enemy crab who is working the world like a puppet, deceiving us into thinking that his weak point is under his belly so we will not know the truth.
Post by: Ceric on August 20, 2006, 05:13:14 AM
I guess it supports the Phantom Station 3 Hypothesis.
I also like that in that interview he pretty much said that they willl have 700k and know they will run out but aren't making more. Probably can't.
Post by: JonLeung on August 20, 2006, 05:57:06 AM
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 20, 2006, 10:13:23 AM
Sony will go from boasting "units shipped" to "units we plan on making"
Post by: Requiem on August 20, 2006, 10:39:47 AM
I'm talking about everything: from BluRay to the game controller. It all seems poorly defined. They need to delay it until they can launch with some actual force (ie games and systems).
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 20, 2006, 11:11:53 AM
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Sony seems so rushed in the plan of attack. It's all so very sloppy.
I'm talking about everything: from BluRay to the game controller. It all seems poorly defined. They need to delay it until they can launch with some actual force (ie games and systems).
Not sure if they have any games in development that would be a system seller besides FF and MGS4. I'm still betting they lose the MGS series as an exclusive, and will only have the FF series as an exclusive. I think they about have to launch around November because it could be even more devastating if they delayed (even if it is all poorly defined) since both Xbox 360 and Wii would be getting stronger footholds in the market.
Post by: JonLeung on August 20, 2006, 12:21:13 PM
For some reason.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 20, 2006, 01:58:40 PM
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You know, a lot of people still want a PS3.
For some reason.
Yeah I know, but I feel that want could end up being temporary if Sony doesn't have some more exclusives. The PSP has shown that the Sony brand name will sell systems but only for a short while before sales start dropping.
Post by: BigJim on August 20, 2006, 02:57:25 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 20, 2006, 04:19:14 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on August 20, 2006, 05:26:54 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 20, 2006, 05:39:18 PM
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Everything seems rushed simply because Sony wants to put their own technologies into the PS3. The cell and bluray needed to be finished for the launch and they weren't exactly perfected when they expected them to be.
The big question is whether any of that stuff will be perfected when it launches, I have a bad feeling that people are going to get screwed who purchase a PS3 when it comes to functionality.
Post by: JonLeung on August 20, 2006, 06:22:05 PM
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on August 20, 2006, 07:35:39 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 20, 2006, 07:37:58 PM
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on August 20, 2006, 07:45:38 PM
Post by: Requiem on August 20, 2006, 08:41:30 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
Everything seems rushed simply because Sony wants to put their own technologies into the PS3. The cell and bluray needed to be finished for the launch and they weren't exactly perfected when they expected them to be.
The big question is whether any of that stuff will be perfected when it launches, I have a bad feeling that people are going to get screwed who purchase a PS3 when it comes to functionality.
That's exactly my point.
It would be suicide to delay the launch, but launching premature hardware isn't any better. The first allows your competitors to gain more marketshare and brand identity, while the other ruins your brand identity.
They have a tough decision to make, but the answer is clear. Delay the launch. Sony fans will hold out this winter season; that's for damn sure. And you don't run the risk of dissapointing your commited fans by launching sh!tty hardware.
Of course, that allows your competitors (mainly Wii) to run rampant, but then again, you already f@#$ed yourself. At least this way you can still have a little dignity left.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 21, 2006, 05:48:28 AM
Sony probably should delay if it can't manage a half-decent launch, but I would at least attempt to launch in Japan this Christmas. Japan really seems to swing all towards one system after a while, ties never last for long, and Wii could easily, easily be that console. I think Sony would be wise to try and stop that, and it would leave the company with a little credibility.
Edit: Okay, so they're still saying 2 million this year? Then maybe they can manage Japan and the U.S., there would be shortages, but they'd be typical.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2006, 08:07:42 AM
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I think it would help both Wii and Microsoft a lot if a delay to next year occurred.
Sony probably should delay if it can't manage a half-decent launch, but I would at least attempt to launch in Japan this Christmas. Japan really seems to swing all towards one system after a while, ties never last for long, and Wii could easily, easily be that console. I think Sony would be wise to try and stop that, and it would leave the company with a little credibility.
Edit: Okay, so they're still saying 2 million this year? Then maybe they can manage Japan and the U.S., there would be shortages, but they'd be typical.
Then again that 2 million is a bunch of hot air until there is something concrete in the way of system manufacturing.
Post by: Ceric on August 21, 2006, 11:33:56 AM
(Ironically I just can't not want the best for someone it seems.)
Post by: IceCold on August 21, 2006, 09:44:27 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2006, 11:36:48 PM
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More news, this time further suggesting that the motion sensing was rushed..
::gasp:: How dare you suggest that Sony rushed motion control, we know for a FACT that they spent years on it and Nintendo stole their idea. Sony wanted to save the feature for E3 to surprise everyone! They stole the show showing the great crashing physics of the warhawk plane, so how dare you suggest that motion control was last minute.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 22, 2006, 04:14:20 AM
Nintendo is going to do great in Japan, but will have a harder sale in the US.
In the US though Sony is launching with two competitors, one that is already relatively strong in the market, Microsoft, and the other that is bringing innovation and a sparkling new way to play. The problem here is simple, your competition is both cheaper and one looks exactly like what you are offering with more games out and a cheaper price tag. The other is an amazingly cheap system with a new means to play and an outstanding launch lineup.
Truthfully, if Sony launched in one market only, America is bigger market it needs to make a splash in. Because if they launch in say Feb, or March then Sony's led and importance in this market is close to null and void.
Post by: SixthAngel on August 22, 2006, 05:45:17 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 22, 2006, 06:13:26 AM
This leaves me with the feeling that if PS3 is too late in Japan, Nintendo may already be halfway to becoming the undisputed champion.
Having said that, Genesis and Super Nintendo were the only really close race North America ever saw, so maybe it's no better here.
Post by: JonLeung on August 22, 2006, 06:46:02 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Having said that, Genesis and Super Nintendo were the only really close race North America ever saw, so maybe it's no better here.
I dunno...the CD-i and 3D0 were both really close - for last place.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 22, 2006, 08:42:04 AM
I think though that both the PS3 and Nintendo can really co-exist there. Basically neither system will be able to compete against the others games.
Nintendo's games will never be as emersive graphically and cinematic as Sony's. Yet Sony's games will not have the level of interaction, and divesity and creativity that comes with the new controller. Depending on what you desire in gaming those two systems can co-exist.
However, In America we are open to supporting more than one system, except this time the systems are TOO EXPENSIVE to support more than one, (unless the second is the Wii.) So I really find it hard to believe that all three systems will co-exist with realitive good hardware and software sales for all systems.
So the question is which will fall. And the easy answer that the analysists sometimes take is either Nintendo or Sony. But, Nintendo appears to be in better shape with such a unique look at gaming this generation...it will gather new fans, and bring old fans back for the system.
Xbox 360 is a sure bet will do better than the original. It has a great headstart over Sony, and by the time Sony has a good selection of truly great games, Xbox 360 will be hitting backing with its biggest guns available, namely Halo 3.
Sony, does have one card ups its sleeve....Blu-Ray Discs. If the format takes off and becomes the future standard of movies, then Sony's card up its sleeve will be a nice Ace giving Sony a set of Aces. However, if Sony's Blu-Ray loses or it takes years for people to desire a new video format, then the card is a Duece and worth nothing for Sony. In fact, it will help the competition even more, because Sony's finances will be tied up in the Blu-Ray dump.
The only question Nintendo has to answer is will people be willing to engage in a new next generation console, that doesn't graphically look next generation compared to the competition. I think the answer to that will be yes, but we will see in the future.
Post by: Donutt007 on August 22, 2006, 09:00:04 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 22, 2006, 04:22:20 PM
Why?
See above.
Japan is where they are most comfortable from a developer and corporate side. They need home market support. Especially with Nintendo eying to become Stiff competition. Japan adopts faster then the USA. In fact about everywhere adopts faster then the USA. Getting the PS3 out in Japan means more for the Blu-Ray contingency. The Japanese seem to always be more willing to try new formats.
Being in the first part of the year would not hurt Sony as much as faulty hardware or a weak launch lineup. In fact if the PS3 had faulty hardware it would hurt the Industry as a whole. Nintendo will have a harder time catering to Non-Gamers and Casual Gamers because if 2 out of the 3 Next Gen systems had hardware problems then I myself would just be wary of all of them. No one really impulse buys something that they think will needless break unless it's at trinket price.
Post by: Arbok on August 22, 2006, 11:16:58 PM
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The Japanese seem to always be more willing to try new formats.
Doesn't mean they always take off though, unless there is a special circumstance like with Laserdiscs actually being cheaper there than VHS.
Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 04:30:46 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 23, 2006, 05:40:38 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 05:44:27 AM
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I agree with Ceric now (doing a lot of that today).
Soon you too will believe that Windows is just the Free Operating System that comes with Notepad.
All hail true believers.
Post by: Kairon on August 23, 2006, 05:46:35 AM
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Post by: Ceric on August 23, 2006, 06:10:03 AM
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If there's one thing you all seem to agree upon, it's "screw europe."
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I want everyone to get everything equally. Now if you mean that Europe is ..... . Then yeah. NOE really botched this time on their side. With the PS3 fight Europe is well Europe. It is the market that will more then likely be the first to crack the PS3 decisively. I personally wouldn't want to release my console to someplace where I know that a larger amount of the user base plays pirated games and where people are fairly smart and headstrong enough to crack the system just for fun. Not to mention, no offense, Europe tends to have to wait anyway so as Sony I must already consider them not that important of a market. You notice that I'm also not favoring my home market of the US. Why? Because I beleive Japan would be the best place for them to launch. I also beleive that Everyone else should get the PS3 at the same time after the Japan launch.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 23, 2006, 08:28:34 AM
I don't strongly prefer America or Europe for an earlier launch, there may be good reasons I'm not aware of to pick one or the other, but the only territory I really favour is Japan. This is where Sony has the most momentum, and yet most people seem to agree that it's the area Sony is most likely to lose (probably due to DS vs. PSP sales).
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 23, 2006, 09:50:57 AM
If Sony focuses on Japan, it means Nintendo will have a nice easier time in the US. Every single unit Nintendo sales above Sony in the US is Sony slipping ground. Why? Because despite what some analysists say Sony is going to have a hard uphill battle trying to get people to buy a very expensive new system, when one that looks just as good is $100 less, and then another one with brand new control system is even cheaper.
As well, Sony is going to have to fight a format war with HD-DVD and right now nobody really wants a format change. People are going to be skeptical to buy a new format until a few years down the road when the battle is decided...and that could mean waiting on the PS3.
Nintendo doesn't have any of these worries. They have Microsoft, which is a company that people love to hate...and Microsoft really botched up its early launch. Finally good games are coming out for the system, but Nintendo has a much better diversity of unique, odd games, and more traditional games at launch.
Post by: Hocotate on August 28, 2006, 03:06:21 PM
Post by: Galford on August 29, 2006, 06:37:17 AM
They have said very quitely that Europe and the US would be the main battle grounds this time around.
The only reason Sony is launching in the US this year is they don't want a reverse of last generation.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 29, 2006, 08:52:03 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 29, 2006, 08:56:34 AM
The more money MS pumps into the 360/Japan market, the harder the whole deal will eventually crash in a typhoon of embarrassment.
Post by: capamerica on August 29, 2006, 09:57:20 AM
Last I looked the 360 on avarage sold about 1500 a week (No where near as good as the DS or PS2), I don't recall the Xbox doing any were that good.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 30, 2006, 06:05:54 AM
According to Wikipedia, Xbox sold an estimated 450,000 units in Japan. It was released near the beginning of 2002, so let's say MS had 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005 to sell those units (this year they probably haven't even sold a thousand).
450000 / 4*52 = 2,163 units per week, and that's not even taking into account that sales were stronger earlier on.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 30, 2006, 06:24:12 AM
Of course that was late life of the Xbox, but still that is horrible. Late life Gamecube was selling 200+ units usually, if I remember correctly.
Although, I am sure the units sold in America for Gamecube late life mirrored that of Xbox in Japan.
Post by: Louieturkey on September 01, 2006, 01:50:25 PM
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In the early DS/PSP sales threads we had Japanese numbers for Xbox and it was funny. They weren't even selling 100 units, at times I think it didn't even sell 50!!!
Of course that was late life of the Xbox, but still that is horrible. Late life Gamecube was selling 200+ units usually, if I remember correctly.
Although, I am sure the units sold in America for Gamecube late life mirrored that of Xbox in Japan.
Actually, Xbox is now down to double digit and sometimes single digit numbers. Up until 2 months ago, Gamecube was outselling 360 each week. More gamecubes have been sold this year than 360s in Japan.
Post by: Ceric on September 03, 2006, 06:52:10 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 05, 2006, 06:07:15 AM
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Although, I am sure the units sold in America for Gamecube late life mirrored that of Xbox in Japan.
GameCube has been outselling Xbox in North America throughout 2006, I think. Of course the sales are low enough that the final impact won't be that noticeable anyway, but I'd say it's doing better than Xbox in Japan.
