Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 17, 2006, 10:12:51 AM
Good:
-The controller which has tons of potential
-Affordable price
-DVD disks so games no longer require compression
-Appears to be supporting 480p more so than GC
-Compact system design
-The visual appeal of the name for marketing purposes
-Strong launch window
-Advertising has improved (with DS as a reference)
-Push to be a sole gaming console or a 2nd console
-Some games aimed at casual or non-gamers like DS
-Killer E3 showing
Bad:
-Weaker Hardware than competition
-No HD
-Battery powered remote (could be fixed)
-No Digital Audio
-Sound of the name “Wii”
-Advertising is still suspect even with improvement
-Naked controller may not be suitable for some games that a pad would be
-Waiting so long to reveal launch details which hurts those of us wanting to preorder
Feel free to give your thoughts on what Nintendo is doing right and wrong with Wii!
Post by: couchmonkey on August 17, 2006, 11:07:11 AM
For the good list, I think Nintendo has managed to reserve an extra graphical boost for itself this generation. Sony and Microsoft don't have much room left to upgrade the graphics on PS4 and Xbox 3. There will be an upgrade, but it will be really minor in the eyes of the average consumer.
- I like the battery powered remote. Hopefully Nintendo will offer a rechargeable solution as well, but I'd rather use standard batteries than some lithium thing I'll never be able to replace. I know, this is an old battle, I should just shut up about it.
- Two years from now people will still be talking/complaining about the name "Wii", but mostly we'll be playing awesome games.
- Waiting a long time to reveal launch details is frustrating for us, but I don't think it will change things for Nintendo in the long run.
I agree with the other points more or less. I tried to argue with some of your good points, but I just couldn't think of anything that important.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on August 17, 2006, 11:10:44 AM
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Bad
-Battery powered remote
Because we all know pausing the game for 90 minutes while we wait for the rechargable battery to charge is a great idea.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 17, 2006, 11:27:21 AM
Post by: BigJim on August 17, 2006, 11:47:14 AM
Other goods:
- optional DVD playback (for what it's worth. It's sort of a wash since the other platforms have it too.)
- better time-to-market than GCN,
- Free online
Undetermined:
- Will they adopt the 18-26 crowd with more western-style games?
- Broad long-term 3rd party support
- killer apps (their own Halo/GTA)
I mention killer apps because while we've seen a number of solid titles shaping up, there isn't yet an "OMFG" factor for any of them. The OMFG factor seems to reside with the controller rather than content, and that could be problematic. We're not going to see a killer app at launch, apparently. Zelda is maybe the closest thing to that, I guess. Hopefully there is a big idea brewing, and not just "concepts" like orchestra playing or whatever.
Post by: Strell on August 17, 2006, 11:48:45 AM
Well I still want to have sex with the machine.
And I'm going to wangmote it up.
Homeruns hit with my pants? You bet your ass.
Post by: Ceric on August 17, 2006, 02:30:42 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
couch: What do you want, a 5TB SAN? It comes with half a gig, that's a lot for ROMS, saves and patches.
Why yes KDR! I hear Apples Raid devices are going down and they can hold that much. (Actually that more then likely would be about every game Nintendos made lets see according to there list there is 547 GCN Games Taking the max space of 1.8 gigs each that would be 984.6 Gigs considering how much smaller all the other mediums are then yeah I'm fairly sure that would hold every game ever Released for a Nintendo System.)
Post by: wandering on August 17, 2006, 02:47:52 PM
everything.
Wrong:
nothing.
This is one console where there's really nothing I want them to change (There are trade-offs, of course. There's a trade-off between performance and price, for instance....but I wouldn't want Nintendo to actually change this because I think we as consumers would lose more than we'd gain.)
...well, okay, one thing. DTS would be nice.
Post by: mantidor on August 17, 2006, 03:14:50 PM
Another big bad point is having as one of the major launch titles a last generation game with two controls schemes, they must have an awful lot of confidence in the remote because that title is going to make easy to directly compare both methods, and for the remote its going to be an unfair comparison because the basic layout of the game is not made with the controller in mind, like past 3d zeldas were, and it really makes the controller look like a bad gimm!ck, a device which only replaces buttons for gestures and doesn't add anything. The console should made people think "I couldnt have any of these games in any past console", but by doing a wii version of a GC game it completly destroys that notion.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 17, 2006, 03:28:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Terranigma FreakQuote
Bad
-Battery powered remote
Because we all know pausing the game for 90 minutes while we wait for the rechargable battery to charge is a great idea.
They could create a battery pack that lets you recharge it in a cradle that is plugged in an outlet. The reason why I put that in the list is because a non-rechargeable battery solution is the only one officially announced. It isn't a huge deal though, but that is why I said the bads can be minor (I think most of them are minor and the good far outweighs them).
Post by: stevey on August 17, 2006, 04:13:42 PM
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Bad:
-Weaker Hardware than competition
-No HD
those are pro unless you like pay for $$$600!!! system and $70! games....
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 17, 2006, 05:17:48 PM
Post by: Dasmos on August 17, 2006, 05:26:20 PM
QuoteYou're right you know, the Wii-mote should wind powered or better yet solar powered.
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Bad:
-Battery powered remote
I don't actually think I'd change too much from what Nintendo has done so far. Maybe quit with this whole TP:Wii stuff, it should have been released on GC a year ago.
Post by: wandering on August 17, 2006, 05:53:21 PM
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I tried to make my list based upon what could potentially hurt the Wii, they do not necessarily mean what is going to be a problem for myself.
Oh, okay.
List of what Nintendo is potentially doing wrong (revised):
-making fun games
-taking risks
-losing too much money by providing excellent customer support
if they could just stop doing those 3 things, they'd be on their way to success for sure...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 17, 2006, 06:02:21 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 17, 2006, 08:08:05 PM
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Originally posted by: wanderingQuote
I tried to make my list based upon what could potentially hurt the Wii, they do not necessarily mean what is going to be a problem for myself.
Oh, okay.
List of what Nintendo is potentially doing wrong (revised):
-making fun games
-taking risks
-losing too much money by providing excellent customer support
if they could just stop doing those 3 things, they'd be on their way to success for sure...
So do you actually believe that Nintendo is doing EVERYTHING right in the eyes of perspective buyers of the Wii? Like I said it isn't what you or myself think is right/wrong for ourselves but for perspective buyers. BTW Matador, nice to see you get in your Zelda Wii bash
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Post by: nemo_83 on August 17, 2006, 08:08:15 PM
The Good:
The motion tech for the remote
Sleak casing
Neutral colors
Virtual Console
No multicore threading
Low development costs
The Bad:
$150 SD cards
No hard drive
No ethernet
No headset mic
No rechargeable battery and thus no charger cord to hook into the console to keep playing while you charge
Mario Galaxy isn't a Mario Bros game
There are already too many shells (the nunchuck and pistol shell need to be combined)
The Ugly:
A fifth the bandwidth as the system that came out last year
The chips are beefed up GCN chips rather than new chips
The name sucks
More money is spent on being small than being powerful
No online games at launch
No solid online plan shown thus far
No buddy list
The classic pad; seriously, it's ugly
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 17, 2006, 08:12:04 PM
- Getting me interested in console gaming after a huge current gen slump
- EXCITE TRUCK
- Being able to download Bonk's Adventure for a system I've never played
- Extremely strong third party support right out of the gate
Bad:
- Raping Zelda: TP
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 17, 2006, 08:15:42 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 17, 2006, 08:23:30 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 17, 2006, 08:30:10 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
$150 SD cards
What the hell size cards are YOU buying? Whatever size they are, I don't think they're commercially available yet, nor would you need that much space.
Post by: Strell on August 17, 2006, 08:35:51 PM
www.batteryspace.com
www.newegg.com
www.dealnews.com
There. I just solved all your storage and battery issues.
Post by: Requiem on August 17, 2006, 08:40:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Good:
- Getting me interested in console gaming after a huge current gen slump
- EXCITE TRUCK
- Being able to download Bonk's Adventure for a system I've never played
- Extremely strong third party support right out of the gate
Bad:
- Raping Zelda: TP
God. I am sick and tired of everyone hating on TP. You guys SUCK! Do you honestly believe that Nintendo would botch what could be the greatest game of all time? Your acting like adding controls will somehow make the gameplay suck, yet you've never played it yourself. Just because Nintendo wanted to actually make some money on TP and NOT release it for a dieing system doesn't mean that in the process they "Raped" the series...
Seriously, f*** off until you've played it and actually have something to bitch about.
There I said it.
And oh ya.... this thread blows! Props to PRO for being the only mother***er to realize it.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 17, 2006, 08:45:37 PM
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Do you honestly believe that Nintendo would botch what could be the greatest game of all time?
Nintendo doesn't own the license to Terranigma, so I dunno.
And a big laugh out loud to Nemo's SD card price. Jesus mate, a $150 (AMERICAN) card could probably store every game on the bloody Virtual Console service.
Post by: Deguello on August 17, 2006, 08:49:01 PM
Oh and Requiem's right, this thread smells a bit. We'll be open tomorrow, but it's 2 AM, so I'm turning off the deep fryers and closing this joint.
