Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: ThePerm on August 14, 2006, 01:24:09 AM
Title: the world is over the name
Post by: ThePerm on August 14, 2006, 01:24:09 AM
everyone got over it...i need to change my avatar
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Post by: Mario on August 14, 2006, 02:50:02 AM
I told you so
Quote I don't think the Wii has a chance in hell of succeeding in North America so there's no point in buying it. By Christmas 2007 I'll be able to pick it up cheap in a bargain bin. No point buying a console I know has no future. I don't care about a name but I think a lot of people will. So why waste my money on a console that I think is going to bomb?
Quote This name is ridiculous. What the fekk do they expect me to do, walk into EB and say "Can I put money on a wii?"
Quote And they just cut the sales by half before they got to the gate. This name is terrible. Wii (Wee) is not what you want associated with you console. I don't know whether to start complaining now or what.
Quote They love the Rev over there. But they HATE the name Wii. Everyone does. You look at any game related forum online, even Nintendo.com, and there is universal hatred.
Quote Wee means small. Wee can be slang for penis or pee. Wee sounds incredibly childish and immature. THIS NAME IS F*CKING STUPID SO CHANGE IT YOU IDIOTS!
Who sounds stupid now?
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Post by: Requiem on August 14, 2006, 03:39:03 AM
You do
NO ONE GIVES A SH!T ABOUT THE NAME.
Case in point: Xbox 360
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 14, 2006, 03:50:35 AM
Um, a lot of people DID give a s*** about the name when the name was revealed...
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Post by: Requiem on August 14, 2006, 03:54:30 AM
But will you not buy it because of the name alone?
no one gives a sh!t about the name...
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 14, 2006, 04:06:42 AM
But that was Mario's point...People DID say they would not buy it over the name and they claimed others wouldn't either!
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Post by: Requiem on August 14, 2006, 04:21:16 AM
And my point is, noone is that superficail....
Seriously, no offense to anyone that made those comments above, but if you seriously think that the Wii will take a hit because of its name, you are an idiot.
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Post by: Mario on August 14, 2006, 04:36:36 AM
...that's exactly my point.
I liked the name from day 1.
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Post by: Requiem on August 14, 2006, 04:48:06 AM
Wait...
So are we all in agreement?
For a minute there I thought we were arguing.
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Post by: Mario on August 14, 2006, 05:03:25 AM
I just felt like bringing back a few quotes to show how badly people overreacted. Those probably weren't the worst too...
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Post by: Zach on August 14, 2006, 05:44:23 AM
So Mario, have you just been saving those quotes to bring back at just the right time? I still dont particularly like the name Wii, I thought the revolution was cooler. But the wii name does have its advantages (same in every language, and it is much more simple, and friendly to the markent nintendo is going for), and I have become accustomed to it. I think right at first everyone was going so crazy in a big part just because it was a very shocking announcement, and it is a name that you have to get used to.
At first when the name was released, I knew I would definately still buy it, but I was a little worried that the name might be bad for nintendo's already tiku tiku tiku! image.
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Post by: Ceric on August 14, 2006, 05:45:57 AM
But some people do care. Like Old Money(Nobility) and Easy Money(Buy $500 dress made from $2 of material to stay in fashion). Also the Uber Religious Decency Crowd(Masturbation is a sin. TV is a sin. Baloney is a sin.)
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Post by: Rhoq on August 14, 2006, 05:47:29 AM
I thnk Zach summed it up very nicely.
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Post by: zakkiel on August 14, 2006, 06:56:12 AM
Quote hardcore gaming forumers stopped posting about it...i need to change my avatar
Fixed. My worry, at least, was never that the hardcore community couldn't reconcile themselves to it (though even still, why would you pick such a name with such a negative reaction?) My belief is that the name will turn off the 13-18 crowd, which is still the sweet spot of the gaming market whatever Nintendo's ambitions. Parents wont buy it as a Christmas present for their kids for fear of embarassing them, and the kids won't buy it for themselves for for the same reason. No reasonable person would claim that the name is an insurmountable obstacle, but for a large chunk of the gaming market it is an obstacle. And why would you add obstacles to buying your product?
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 07:55:11 AM
"Wii" still means "yes" in french and is a plural pronoun in English. I still feel awkward saying it and think they could have tried a bit harder to find a name which truly didn't mean anything in any language.
I still think the name is god awful, but no one else seems to care so I see no reason to care. I always knew I was going to buy it no matter what they called it. I'm just glad that most people feel the same way and that 3rd parties are still supporting the system.
It was a gamble for Nintendo to do it but it seems to have worked: they've distanced themselves from their competitors by choosing a name so ridiculous that no one would ever confuse it for a PS3 or 360.
We still have to wait and see to find out how it does in sales, but I can't imagine it doing badly at this point.
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Post by: JonLeung on August 14, 2006, 09:43:13 AM
If I were Mario and if I were mean, not only would I have saved the quotes, but also who said what - then if I ever needed to shoot down that person's credibility, whip out one of their quotes...
I've said it before - the unorthodox name sure got a lot of people's attention - and while there was a lot of negativity at first, E3 soon after changed a lot of people's minds.
Sure, an unorthodox and possibly crude name seems like an unneccesary "hurdle" and people who may have heard the name but don't really know what the controller can do or what kind of games there are for it are probably the only ones that are going to avoid it. And even then, how long would they? I mean, honestly, after seeing someone playing on it, who's honestly going to say, "Hey, let me try this thing. What's it called? What? "Wii"? Are you serious? I don't want to play with a Wii. Forget I asked."
Some people can be pretty dumb and shallow, but I don't think there will be enough put off solely by the name enough to not get one. If they say they won't get a Wii just because of the name, most likely it's another reason - like maybe they're so anti-Nintendo that they don't want to. You know that when anti-Nintendo people pick on the dumbest things (like the GameCube's colour, handle, shape, the Wii's name, etc.) and not on better "reasons" (number of games, third-party support) that they're not being rational at all, so who needs them?
I'm still waiting for a celebrity to go on Conan or Jay Leno or Letterman and point out that they like to play games and say with a straight face, "I can't wait to get my hands on my Wii. I'm going to play with my Wii all night long." etc. And then judging by the host and audience's response, point out that they mean the Nintendo Wii. That'll get people's attention.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 10:30:45 AM
I thought it would be more of a problem than it has been.
We talked about in my "Nintendo Virus" thread how people who don't even follow gaming have heard about the Wii. Nintendo has done an excellent job of moving the focus from hardcore gamers to making the console out to be something for everyone and, as much as I was caught off guard by it, it seems the "Wii" name helped to do that.
Now I hope people don't just talk about it and actually BUY the thing...
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Post by: nemo_83 on August 14, 2006, 10:47:13 AM
The name was nothing but a publicity stunt. And it still describes nothing about the system. It's like they were trying to one up Microsoft on bad titles.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 14, 2006, 12:13:52 PM
iPod
Walkman
Red Bull
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 12:43:49 PM
iPod - Pod-shaped MP3 player which ties in to Apple's "i" line of products.
Walkman - A tape player which you can walk around with.
Red Bull - An energy drink intended to give you the strength and stamina of an angry bull.
Wii - Unless you pronounce it correctly, the subtle suggestion of it meaning "togetherness" is lost on the potential customer.
Nintendo wanted a word which meant absolutely nothing and it seems to have worked for them.
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Post by: vudu on August 14, 2006, 12:53:10 PM
Well, Hell. If you mispronouce most any word the meaning gets lost.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 01:08:11 PM
True, but I'm too much of an anglophile to believe that most people won't mispronounce the word "Wii" since it's spelling is nonstandard in any language I know.
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Post by: Kairon on August 14, 2006, 01:23:27 PM
Wow, SB is so cool because while he maintains that he doesn't like the name personally, he's positive on the effect we've seen so far overall.
Hooray SB!
Let's hope the good news continues and you're fears prove wholly unjustified!
Isn't the English language great? It's so mixed-up and screwed-over and cross-pollinated and generally the most un-standard language in the world that... yippee... it's super-duper-flexible and slang, new phrases, and inventive marketting easily slip into our public lexicon!
~Carmine M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 14, 2006, 01:29:15 PM
You got served!
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 01:30:33 PM
To be honest, even without having heard so many people who know squat about gaming somehow know about the Wii, the real proof is in the immense amount of 3rd party support Nintendo is receiving for the console.
Out of the current 27 games the Wii will allegedly launch with, only 4 of them are made by Nintendo (TP, MP3, Excite Truck and Wii Sports). That is, if Wario Ware slipping is indeed true...
EDIT: ...and just to practice what I preach, it's "your fears", not "you're fears". Sorry, anal-retentivty and all that.
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Post by: Kairon on August 14, 2006, 01:44:09 PM
DOH
Seriously, I've got, like, awesome internet skillz except for those darned apostrophes.
The worst is "its" and "it's" but you've also lighted upon the other bane of my responsible english ambitions!
/sob
And I try so hard too!
~Carmine M. Red Kairon@aol.com
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Post by: mantidor on August 14, 2006, 03:17:48 PM
Its as disgusting as it was day one, but we came into the internet everyday and see it everywhere in gaming sites and forums, so people like us whether we like it or not are already used to it, like a bad smell. But just because the web is accepting of the name doesnt mean people outside are, I still think is more of a marketing hurdle than an advantage. Ive only found two reactions to the name in average people, confusion mostly and some laughter, and not the kind of laughter that is good.
At this point I really don't care though, worst case scenario the rev ends up third again but with plenty of games I might enjoy, and with a real Zelda and the Metroid game, pretty much like another GC. Nintendo won't go banckrupt inmediatly because thats impossible and I will still have my Zelda and Metroid games in the succesor of this console, thats roughly at least ten years of good gaming quality so its all good, and PC game will be around for a while as well.
Anyway This is probably the best use of the name Ive ever seen, it fits so perfectly, too bad it doesn't fit anywhere else.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 03:55:11 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon The worst is "its" and "it's" but you've also lighted upon the other bane of my responsible english ambitions!
I still do it on occasion, then punish myself by putting out a match on my chest (not really).
Seriously, I think it's an honest mistake, but I point it out because, if I remind you now, you'll remember it later and will likely remember it during a time when you're conversing with someone who WOULD care or writing an important document (like a resume or letter of recommendation) or crushing the ambitions of some rabid Sony fanwh*re when he'd take any way out he could, including mocking an innocent mistake in grammar.
As for the topic, I'm glad it worked out for them, though I have to say that it might be this way because all of the industry ridicule might have gone instead to Sony and there was none left over for the Wii.
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Post by: animecyberat on August 14, 2006, 03:58:36 PM
yeah teh name is pretty stupid. they should have goten some idaes from sega becuas all there names are good. Dreamcast, Genesis, Master syestm.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 14, 2006, 04:00:22 PM
I will say the new worst name for an electronics device is:
The Cell Phone
CHOCOLATE.
It is absolutely insanely STUPID.
I am actually quite amazed that Nintendo was able to come up with something truly original and that can be made to sound and be cool in future.
CHOCOLATE although taste will never be a cool cell phone name.
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Post by: wandering on August 14, 2006, 04:01:58 PM
I should have my own webcomic.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 14, 2006, 04:09:42 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Mario ...that's exactly my point.
I liked the name from day 1.
Ah that was a booming time for the board, but I think it is pretty much a fact that individuals like me, Mario and others told yah so.
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Post by: 31 Flavas on August 14, 2006, 04:10:16 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Zach
At first when the name was released, I knew I would definately still buy it, but I was a little worried that the name might be bad for nintendo's already tiku tiku tiku! image.
Honestly, it's great that you care, but Nintendo can take care of itself.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 14, 2006, 04:14:28 PM
Quote Originally posted by: 31 Flavas Honestly, it's great that you care, but Nintendo can take care of itself.
Not to be the devil's advocate, but with the GC, I think they kinda proved that statement false...
They're making up for it with the DS, though.
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Post by: SixthAngel on August 14, 2006, 05:55:23 PM
Wandering's post says it all.
Honestly, "Nintendo" is a strange enough name and yet somehow everyone here loves it.
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Post by: Athrun Zala on August 14, 2006, 07:27:44 PM
Quote Originally posted by: SixthAngel Wandering's post says it all.
Honestly, "Nintendo" is a strange enough name and yet somehow everyone here loves it.
heh, but Nintendo is a japanese phrase
IIRC, it was something like "leave luck to Heaven"....or something else, I'm not sure (since everyone seems to translate it differently)
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Post by: IceCold on August 14, 2006, 10:35:07 PM
I'm glad - I've never been more disappointed with PGC than during the period of the name change, including Rick's idiotic editorial. As I said then, I knew what Grey Ninja must have felt when he left this place..
Quote You know that when anti-Nintendo people pick on the dumbest things (like the GameCube's colour, handle, shape, the Wii's name, etc.) and not on better "reasons" (number of games, third-party support) that they're not being rational at all, so who needs them?
Heh, one of my friends, during a debate, said that the PS2's loading screen was way better than the GameCube's. He gave that as a serious reason of why the PS2 is better. Apart from the fact that he's wrong, I understand where you're coming from..
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Post by: nemo_83 on August 15, 2006, 12:14:57 AM
I liked the name Dreamcast.
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Post by: JonLeung on August 15, 2006, 04:56:53 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
Quote Originally posted by: SixthAngel Wandering's post says it all.
Honestly, "Nintendo" is a strange enough name and yet somehow everyone here loves it.
heh, but Nintendo is a japanese phrase
IIRC, it was something like "leave luck to Heaven"....or something else, I'm not sure (since everyone seems to translate it differently)
I've also heard it translated as "leave luck to Heaven" as well, but is it a direct translation? As if, if someone Japanese were to tell me to leave luck to Heaven he would say to me, "Jon, Nintendo." (Heck, if Nintendo is actually a verb, then, I'd Nintendo any day!)
I've always wondered if phrases like that really are literally like they say, or if the Japanese (and other languages) have ways of meaning something without saying it directly, like how some English-speaking people say "ASAP" as if it were a word or spell out "FYI" instead of saying the individual words.
Like to us, playing Street Fighter has Ryu going around shouting "Hadoken" (or "Hadou-ken") as he throws his fireball...it's Japanese, and to most people, sounds exotic, and therefore is mysterious, magical and/or powerful. But to a Japanese person, isn't he just going around shouting "Wave Motion Strike"? How uninteresting would it be if you threw a fireball and said that, or even something like "Fireball!"? (It's like in Psychonauts when the guy in Lungfishopolis, meant to be a Japanese giant-monster battle parody, shouts "Hard-to-avoid-AREA-ATTACK!" and "Overly-intricate-COMBINATION!")
Okay, anyway, back on topic...Nintendo means "leave luck to Heaven". But I thought "Wii" had no meaning, and might actually be hard to pronounce in Japanese itself. I could be wrong. Wouldn't it be strange if Nintendo of Japan really did decide on a name that they couldn't pronounce? How would they come to that conclusion?
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Post by: couchmonkey on August 15, 2006, 06:36:25 AM
Doesn't Dhalsim literally shout "fireball"? It's not so weird. (Though the whole thing that Japanese animation and video games have about naming attacks and weapons is pretty quirky).
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Post by: JonLeung on August 15, 2006, 07:41:52 AM
Quote Originally posted by: couchmonkey Doesn't Dhalsim literally shout "fireball"? It's not so weird. (Though the whole thing that Japanese animation and video games have about naming attacks and weapons is pretty quirky).
I guess this could derail the topic, but Dhalsim says "Yoga Fire" and "Yoga Flame" in Street Fighter II (and I think in a later game he has a move called "Yoga Inferno" or something to that effect). There's also Yoga Teleport. Somehow I doubt pyrotechnics or teleportation are involved in yoga. Yoga involves stretching, I think, but I'm sure Dhalsim's Mr. Fantastic-like stretching is an exaggeration and Dhalsim himself is overall a gross misunderstanding of Indian culture, I'd wager.
Next thing you know, you'll see "Pilates Lightning!" or "Pilates Shock!" And when we're done with taking fitness out of context we can go onto diets and have "Atkins Strike!"
Those Japanese and their calling out of their own attacks. Heh.
But back to Wii. I do recall it being similar to a Japanese term for "good" or something. Again, that's just hearsay, and I'm sure the world sees it as Nintendo says it is...it means either "we" or nothing at all.
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Post by: Smoke39 on August 15, 2006, 09:10:25 AM
Quote Originally posted by: JonLeung But back to Wii. I do recall it being similar to a Japanese term for "good" or something. Again, that's just hearsay, and I'm sure the world sees it as Nintendo says it is...it means either "we" or nothing at all.
If by "the world" you mean "English speakers." Wii sounds like "how" in German, for example.
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Post by: JonLeung on August 15, 2006, 09:14:03 AM
On that note, would Germans pronounce it "Wii" or more like "Vii"?
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Post by: Smoke39 on August 15, 2006, 09:18:34 AM
Yeah, "w" in German is pronounced like an English "v."
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 15, 2006, 10:54:07 AM
Quote Originally posted by: nemo_83 I liked the name Dreamcast.
I did too, I thought the name was one of the best console names ever. Guess that is proof that the name of a system doesn't necessarily help it out much!
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Post by: Ceric on August 15, 2006, 02:52:57 PM
I would also like to note that Japan and I think China as well have a habit of naming people in such a way that if it was translated they would sound like Hippy Names to us in the States. Like "Flower Blossom" and the like. Why in the States and I think most other countries who have some of the same language background we tend make it a point to make names not be actual words or a series of words. Even then they get different emphasis in speech.
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Post by: The Omen on August 15, 2006, 07:16:06 PM
Quote ..that's exactly my point.
I liked the name from day 1.
Wow. You're smart. You know, being a blind as bat loyalist to Nintendo means at some point you'll seem like you were ahead of the curve. Shall we troll through all of your posts for ridiculous comments on everything Nintendo related to mix and match where you were horribly incorrect? Because I can assure you there are many examples. Bottom line? Who cares that people reacted as they did?
By the way, I still loathe the name. But I also said immediately after the name change that I was still going to buy it on launch day. I could see into the future! Yay!
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Post by: mantidor on August 15, 2006, 08:24:57 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Ceric I would also like to note that Japan and I think China as well have a habit of naming people in such a way that if it was translated they would sound like Hippy Names to us in the States. Like "Flower Blossom" and the like. Why in the States and I think most other countries who have some of the same language background we tend make it a point to make names not be actual words or a series of words. Even then they get different emphasis in speech.
heh, funny, I used to believe the same but about my own language, spanish, compared to english. In english there are names and last names like Shoemaker, House, Daisy, our very own content editor Blood-worth, etc, etc, and I thought that you people just had crazy ideas for naming children, then I realized we are the same, "Rosa", "Casas", "Esperanza", "Zapatero" etc, all "real" words, but also all names used quite frequently actually. It appears the only names who are not "real" words are very old names (daniel, simon, John, etc) or foreign ones (I cant come up with any examples right now :P), but if you trace them to their origin, they are very likely to be a "real" word in that ancient/foreign language.
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Post by: Mario on August 15, 2006, 09:00:03 PM
Quote Originally posted by: The Omen
Quote ..that's exactly my point.
I liked the name from day 1.
Wow. You're smart. You know, being a blind as bat loyalist to Nintendo means at some point you'll seem like you were ahead of the curve. Shall we troll through all of your posts for ridiculous comments on everything Nintendo related to mix and match where you were horribly incorrect? Because I can assure you there are many examples. Bottom line? Who cares that people reacted as they did?
By the way, I still loathe the name. But I also said immediately after the name change that I was still going to buy it on launch day. I could see into the future! Yay!
If you want to derail this discussion into a personal affair, go ahead and find some. You probably wont, because I can't recall any, but if you do i'd like to see it and reflect. But this discussion isn't about that, it's about the name that I think will go down in history as one of the best decisions Nintendo has ever made. Also, if I was a blind as a bat loyalist i'd be looking forward to TP and MP3.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2006, 09:05:55 PM
I remember when Mario said that Mother 3 would never come out and then the next day the release date was revealed...He again did the same thing for FFIII!
(Laugho, gotta love being a fan of certain products...Perfect way to be classified a Grade-A "blind as a bat" fanboy!)
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Post by: Smoke39 on August 15, 2006, 09:17:39 PM
Mother 3 will never come out in the US.
Is it tomorrow yet?
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2006, 09:27:07 PM
That'd be nice if it worked like that, eh?
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 15, 2006, 10:48:58 PM
Quote Originally posted by: The Omen
Quote ..that's exactly my point.
I liked the name from day 1.
Wow. You're smart. You know, being a blind as bat loyalist to Nintendo means at some point you'll seem like you were ahead of the curve. Shall we troll through all of your posts for ridiculous comments on everything Nintendo related to mix and match where you were horribly incorrect? Because I can assure you there are many examples. Bottom line? Who cares that people reacted as they did?
By the way, I still loathe the name. But I also said immediately after the name change that I was still going to buy it on launch day. I could see into the future! Yay!
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Unlike some fanboys I thought Mario and others made some pretty compelling arguments why the name was a good choice (along with some solid ones on the other side), a blind fanboy is someone who can't defend their opinion worth crap, and I do not believe Mario nor any of the others would fall into that category. Nintendo has been doing about everything right this time around, and the media is starting to come around which speaks volumes as to how they are handling the Wii.
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Post by: Mario on August 15, 2006, 11:42:43 PM
Unfortunately our arguments couldn't hold up to "it sounds like pee".
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 16, 2006, 01:21:27 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Smoke39 Mother 3 will never come out in the US.
Is it tomorrow yet?
It sure won't.
Earthbound might though!
Hey guys have you heard the name for Nintendo's new console, haha Wii. Sounds very Tonka truck-ish and homosexual, I can't look cool playing something called a Wii. Nintendo's doomed forever. Pack up and shut up shop guys! Worst decision ever! Who even cares about the games, the machine's called Wii for crying out loud. I'll never get over this because I'm the type of 'gamer' that posts non-game images of games like Metal Gear to prove my point that Wii is a childish game meant for unborn children. I'm hardcore. Too hardcore for a Wii. I've got a joke, hang on, get ready, here it is.
"Man I have to Wii"
LOL did you get it. Did you get the joke. I made it up by myself. I made it up because it sounds like wee, that's the hidden part to the joke. You have to be smart like me to create such crafty humour based on names of video game consoles. I was also the one that discovered you can turn Mario Kart into Mario FART. LOL. Another one. This is why Nintendo's lost the plot.
*Image of old man Solid Snake* *Image of crouching transexual from Final Fantasy XIII* *Image of bald space marine*
Next gen. None of this Wii urine waggle some extras rubbish. Terrible name. Not gonna sell at all.
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Post by: Ceric on August 16, 2006, 05:07:41 AM
Actually I should had put conditions. First names are normally not words. THey were at one point derived from words but they have deviated such that they no longer represent the word. Last name here in the States... Yeah... that mostly because of the butchering that happened when people immigrated. You are a Smith so your last name will be Smith. Or in my case last name Shook probably came from Schuch. Funny thing is over time it got bettter and people's names were butchered less so know there is no set spelling for certian names. Mine gets messed up all the time. I'm like it's the past tense of Shake its not that hard.
Infernal Monkey:
The counter images when they become available:
*Image of SSBB Solid Snake* Man Yours is an old Fougy (*Image of old man Solid Snake*) *Image of High Res Birdo* Hey at least mine has a history (*Image of crouching transexual from Final Fantasy XIII*) *Image of High Res Fox* Sorry Dude, but it seems I couldn't find anyone who needed hair plugs (*Image of bald space marine*)
If anyone has other suggestions lets here them. That person really was clever don't you think? Probably the top in his age group and matured level in Keyboarding. Look at that he didn't misspell or have horrible Grammar. His Mother must be proud! I think I'll call him George the Lost Fanboy.
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2006, 06:38:18 AM
The more I think about it, the more I think that a lot of Nintendo's success with the name comes from the fact that all of the "ridicule fuel" went instead to the PS3.
If Sony had announced the PS3 and announced that it would be launching at $299, I don't think the fanboy backlash from Sony fans would exist and the Wii would have been ridiculed a great deal longer.
After the Sony E3 conference, though, any ridicule which would have been on Nintendo went straight to Sony and stayed there.
Also, to be fair, the console hasn't gone to market yet, and while I think it'll sell like crazy, it might not be the case.
Title: RE:the world is over the name
Post by: wandering on August 16, 2006, 10:37:46 AM
Quote Originally posted by: The Omen Wow. You're smart. You know, being a blind as bat loyalist to Nintendo means at some point you'll seem like you were ahead of the curve.
Mario may be a blind as a bat loyalist, but that doesn't mean he can't see what Nintendo decisions are and aren't good. With sonar.
Anyway. The fact that the Wii name is stupid has always been irrelevant. Weird names stop being weird after frequent use. Which just leaves us with the name's advantages. Let's go over them again, for old times's sake. The name:
1. Is very easy to remember. 2. Sets is self apart from other consoles (console names like 'UberboxStation 5' tend to run together in the minds of people who don't play games) 3. Can't be abbreviated (some people have a hard time learning console names, let alone their code words.) 4. Can be the same in all regions of the world. 5. Looks really cool visually.
People keep making a point to show the differences between the name 'iPod' and the name 'Wii', but I think the only real difference between the two is that one is new and the other isn't. Both are incredibly stupid-sounding names which were chosen for very carefully considered marketing purposes.
...In fact, I'd be willing to bet that, in the future, when some other big company decides to use an even weirder name for one of their products, people will leap on it by saying "that name is nothing at all like successful product names 'iPod' and 'Wii'!"
edit:
Quote Originally posted by: Smash_Brother The more I think about it, the more I think that a lot of Nintendo's success with the name comes from the fact that Nintendo kicked ass at E3.
Fixed.
Title: RE:the world is over the name
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2006, 11:42:13 AM
Quote Originally posted by: wandering Fixed.
I agree that this played a large role in it, but if Sony's showing had been likewise excellent with a reasonable price tag, then there would still be a lot more support in the Sony camp than there was after E3, meaning that the typical pro-Sony media would still be pro-Sony and that Nintendo wouldn't be getting a great deal of the free press they've been getting (G4's Wii vs. PS3 ad, for example).
It might have been "Will the Wii be able to beat the PS3?" until Sony made fools of their entire empire. Now, it's basically "Will Nintendo be able to dominate in the US the way they're going to dominate in Japan?"
Title: RE:the world is over the name
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2006, 01:02:38 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote Originally posted by: wandering Fixed.
I agree that this played a large role in it, but if Sony's showing had been likewise excellent with a reasonable price tag, then there would still be a lot more support in the Sony camp than there was after E3, meaning that the typical pro-Sony media would still be pro-Sony and that Nintendo wouldn't be getting a great deal of the free press they've been getting (G4's Wii vs. PS3 ad, for example).
It might have been "Will the Wii be able to beat the PS3?" until Sony made fools of their entire empire. Now, it's basically "Will Nintendo be able to dominate in the US the way they're going to dominate in Japan?"
Hey wouldn't that same logic be for about any other system. I would think an excellent lineup and a reasonable price tag would garner support from other systems as well. LIke well, um, Nintendo with Wii .
Title: RE:the world is over the name
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 16, 2006, 01:11:00 PM
Quote Originally posted by: VGrevolution Hey wouldn't that same logic be for about any other system. I would think an excellent lineup and a reasonable price tag would garner support from other systems as well. LIke well, um, Nintendo with Wii .
Never said it wouldn't.
But I do feel that the anti-Nintendo sentiment which is usually held by the general gaming media was reduced by the amount of bad press Sony was generating for itself.
If people are going to attack the Wii, they'd need a strong platform do it from, otherwise there's no comparison. Sony isn't providing that platform and neither is MS, really.
You'd probably still be hearing more of the anti-Wii sentiment if Sony's fans hadn't basically been forced into defensive mode.
After all, a silly name is nothing compared to a $600 pricetag and sh*ttacular launch lineup. Sony fans don't have a leg to stand on right now, and that includes the pro-Sony media.
Don't get me wrong, I know Nintendo's stellar E3 helped them a great deal, but the typical anti-Nintendo sentiment is also being quelled by the fact that there isn't any real competition to attack them.
Title: RE:the world is over the name
Post by: Smoke39 on August 16, 2006, 06:56:46 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey It sure won't.
Earthbound might though!
That was released in the US years ago. We're talkin' about the sequal here.
Title: RE: the world is over the name
Post by: couchmonkey on August 17, 2006, 05:45:24 AM
I kind of agree, Smash_Brother. Nintendo often comes out of E3 smelling like a rose, but this time there isn't even any way for Sony fans to argue against it. I mean, they'll try anyway, but Sony's showing was horrific. They should have just rolled out the Final Fantasy and MGS footage and said, "More details to come!"
However, I don't think Sony's poor showing derailed the Wii naming thing. It helped make Nintendo (and MS) look better, but I think playing the system would have made people shut up about the name anyway. You don't go to E3 thinking, "Oh I can't wait to make fun of this new system's crappy name!" You go thinking, "I can't wait to play this new system's games!" The gaming media came, it saw, it had fun. Even if some of the impressions came back kind of so-so, the buzz on the show floor must have been pretty big considering that the lineups for Nintendo's booth were record-breaking and got longer each day.
Edit: Oops, derailed myself! My point being that once people played the games, any remaining doubts about the name became totally insignificant. Nintendo releasing the name before E3 was very smart in retrospect, because it was old news and had no chance to overshadow the experience.
Title: RE: the world is over the name
Post by: Ian Sane on August 17, 2006, 11:19:44 AM
I'm not over the name, I just don't see any need to continue ranting about it. I still think it's a horrible name but it isn't going to change and I can't keep calling it by a rumoured codename so I've gotten used to typing "Wii". It's too soon to say the name has been accepted or not yet anyway because the general public still doesn't know about it. The concern was never "that name sucks so I won't buy it". It was "that name isn't going to go over well with the mainstream and thus the console may sell poorly." It really makes no difference if the online gaming community gets used to the name or not because we're interested enough in games to look beyond marketing to get informed about the real product.
But after E3 I haven't been nearly as concerned about the Wii's future. I look at what we know about the PS3 and think "this thing has no chance in hell" so at the very least Nintendo is ensured a decent market share merely because they're not screwing up as much as Sony. The only way now I see Nintendo losing is if everyone loses and there's another crash. If the Wii flops it won't be the only one.
Title: RE:the world is over the name
Post by: Kairon on August 17, 2006, 11:36:59 AM
Ian is back.
/happy
~Carmine M. Red Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:the world is over the name
Post by: Strell on August 17, 2006, 11:40:45 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Kairon Ian is back.
/happy
~Carmine M. Red Kairon@aol.com
So I'm not the only one who thought that.
Title: RE: the world is over the name
Post by: Ceric on August 17, 2006, 02:35:09 PM