Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2006, 02:03:25 PM
Oh wait theres nothing there. The sources didn't want to go to jail and I've been checking IGN all day this wasn't up until just know and that what it said. My bet is that it never had that information because it couldn't be up long enough for someone to request it down, must have been mere seconds if it was. Methinks this was just a grab for attention since there isn't much to write about. Matt's pretty good at keeping the Wii channel full of something even if it's just editorials or Cubetoons, enjoy Cubetoons. Alas it seems that even he is running out of material. NINTENDO YOU HEAR THAT. I wish they lift all the stupid NDA's on everything it seem so we can get some people with hands on experience or something. Anything. If Nintendo where rain at this moment we be looking at a bad harvest for Winter. blah...
Edit:
Actually they did post one good peice of news Ubisoft confirms that the Prince of Persia Franchise will be coming to Wii someday, just not launch
It's one of the games they have for the Wii in developement that won't make launch so it didn't make the press release.
Though there was an interesting thought in the article. You know how they did not do direct movement to sword movement for Red Steel last time we checked. What about with Prince of Persia or someother 3rd person point of view game. I think it would work much better for this style of game simply because the sword wouldn't move the camera or anything. Plus your far enough away that as long as it's relatively close you be fine. Just a thought.
Post by: BigJim on August 07, 2006, 02:24:17 PM
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A number of big-name publishers are set to release their Wii games in mid-to-late October, which suggests that a system debut could not be that far off. And several insiders have told IGN that Tuesday, November 2 could, in fact, be the big day.
Thing is, not all of our contacts are in agreement on the date. Some have suggested that November 12 could, instead, by Wii's launch date.
So nothing definitive, even for speculation. But it's not saying much for early october in particular.
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Sources suggest that Wii will launch with a $229 price tag and will be available in both black and white.
Edit: Sucky pricing if that includes only the system/controller, IMO. Will there be more in the box?
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The Broadway CPU is allegedly in the 750 CL line, a continuation of the 750 GX series. IBM may be working on a revised Broadway chip with a lower clock speed for a future Nintendo handheld -- presumably one that plays GameCube discs.
Is there really a market for a GC Portable? Big-time grain of salt... Maybe it just happens to be backward compatible. Meh, whatever. The DS is still printing money. Why mess with a good thing.
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Nintendo has allegedly bumped production of Wii hardware to 5.5 million units by the end of the year, a significant upgrade to previous numbers. The jump is purportedly based on the positive reaction to Wii from press and industry analysts at E3 2006.
Extremely nice production # if true. Their earlier projection was 6 million sold by March.
Post by: MarioAllStar on August 07, 2006, 02:31:10 PM
Edit: This is really strange. It goes from being availible to unavailible every 5 seconds.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 07, 2006, 02:31:40 PM
Post by: BigJim on August 07, 2006, 02:34:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
$229 is "sucky"? And a price point tells you nothing about what is included...
True. if it's a core system and controller, then that price is a bit disappointing IMO. But if there really are extras in there, then that's another story.
Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2006, 02:35:45 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 07, 2006, 03:46:32 PM
First, November is the realistic release date. I am sure the developers that have October are scheduling it as such to ensure their game is ready for launch. "Hey guys, just in case Nintendo does something crazy, this game must be ready for a mid-October launch."
Anywhere between November 2-12 is great news. Earlier than the PS3, and those numbers mean that when Wii sells out it will have a much greater initial pentration than the PS3. WHOOHOO!!!
With those release dates, I actually hope for the 12th so that I have some time after I pay rent to ready myself for launch. Launch won't be too expensive for me either...seeing as my Birthday is the 18th of November, so I can ask for a game or two for my birthday. WHOOHOO!!!
Finally, about the price. $229 is a fantastic price. We should have known that Nintendo wouldn't create a $199 system. That was just pie in the sky dreams for all of us. In fact, most reasonable people and new sources and retailers are saying it will launch for $250. That is 20 dollars less. At this price I expect the minimum to be included. WiiPointer, Analog attachment, either Wii Sports or the classic Controller.
Also, I don't believe Microsoft is thinking about dropping the Xbox 360 CORE to $250. That is pointless. I actually see Microsoft dropping the core system idea, and just releasing the updated packaged for a much cheaper price. I bet it will be between $300-$350 dollars...leaning closer to $300 than $350.
If this is Nintendo's strategy for Wii launch. I say BRAVO. We couldn't ask for anything better.
I editted my Xbox 360 comment because I forgot to say Core system...at first.
Post by: BlkPaladin on August 07, 2006, 04:29:32 PM
As for the Xbox 360 I think that Microsoft already said that it wasn't lower the price of its console this year.
Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2006, 04:34:41 PM
Post by: Pale on August 07, 2006, 06:38:33 PM
Second of all, I still say November 19th is in fact the big day.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 07, 2006, 06:42:39 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 07, 2006, 07:12:09 PM
Dirk: I don't think the number matters as much anymore, since we are moving closer to a cashless society. But it is an interesting point you bring up.
Finally,
BlkPaladin: I bet Nintendo had a targeted cost to manufactor the system. Perhaps the goal was to make a system that cost between $175-$200 to produce.
With a price of $229, the price could be as high as $200 to produce and Nintendo still make a sizable profit per unit.
Or the initial price point was missed, and perhaps the price is closer to $250 per unit...and Nintendo is giving us a slightly discounted price, which they will make up in virtual console sales, game sales, and controller sales (Both classic and WiiPointer.)
Post by: Arbok on August 07, 2006, 07:22:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Dirk: I don't think the number matters as much anymore, since we are moving closer to a cashless society. But it is an interesting point you bring up.
Come again?
No, Dirk is right, $225 is a much better number to market then the odd $230 figure, much in the same vein that $199.99 seems much more resonable than $200: perception.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 07, 2006, 07:48:49 PM
I am just saying that $229 isn't so odd that it would throw people off.
Or rather turn people off from the price.
And that price point does make it seem that they are trying to either hit a formulated Profit margin for each sale, or the the cost of the to produce the system messed up their original pricing schemes. Probably the forumulated Profit Margin.
Hell, the DS is selling well and its kinda priced odd right now.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2006, 08:57:58 PM
QuoteActually it did make the press release, just not the U.S. press release. I posted a snippet from the French press release in a different thread, The ubisoft one in here in the Wii section.
Originally posted by: Ceric
Edit:
Actually they did post one good peice of news Ubisoft confirms that the Prince of Persia Franchise will be coming to Wii someday, just not launch
It's one of the games they have for the Wii in developement that won't make launch so it didn't make the press release.
expect this post to be edited with links to this several days old news.
edit: link I talked about above
read the French PR quote.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 09:58:21 PM
Makes sense.
Post by: IceCold on August 07, 2006, 10:08:56 PM
QuoteIf true, that's good.. I was wary of their white push since TGS, and I didn't know if they would release a black one.
and will be available in both black and white.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2006, 10:12:42 PM
QuoteLooks like I'll be buy my Wii before my DS Lite.....
Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteIf true, that's good.. I was wary of their white push since TGS, and I didn't know if they would release a black one.
and will be available in both black and white.
thanks alot Nintendo, all I'm waiting for is a BLACK version of either and both and I still have heard no mention of a BLACK DSL in the U.S.
Post by: BigJim on August 08, 2006, 03:54:28 AM
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Nintendo has allegedly bumped production of Wii hardware to 5.5 million units by the end of the year, a significant upgrade to previous numbers.
MS has sold 5 million 360's to date. Hilarity would ensue if Nintendo sells that many just over the launch holiday.
MS will still be ahead, but maybe not for so long.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 08, 2006, 04:03:23 AM
Console
2 wiimotes with nunchuka
1 classic controller
Wii Sports
Super Mario Bros and DuckHunt from VC.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 08, 2006, 04:37:58 AM
People were expecting the bare bones system to be $199.99 with perhaps two controllers, or just Wii Sports...but not both.
To say a $30.00 dollar increase gets you Wii Sports, 2 controllers and 1 classic Controller is pretty much out there.
I know we are all thinking lower technology it needs to reflect in the price, but really the Wii is different than current generation, don't let that lie of it being just and Xbox tempt you to believe the system should be dirty cheap.
The more I think of it. The less I believe Wii Sports will be packed in. Wii Sports is one of Nintendo's few nongamer releases for launch. It will be the game that is picked up by everyone that doesn't want Zelda and Metroid...and will sell crazy. It had huge hype and great buzz from E3.
The most I would hope for is that second controller, and if we get that then Nintendo is being generous.
PS: I actually expect Nintendo to give Virtual Console games away with the purchase of the classic controllers instead of the system...makes more sense, and makes the classic controller more of a bargin.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 08, 2006, 07:22:35 AM
2 wiimote with nunchuka: Developers wouldn't be hesitant to develop 2 wiimote games, like the drum demo.
1 classic controller: So Developers can put a classic controller option into some games as an alternative (like metal slug or mortal kombat) plus, if you download a snes game for the VC, you don't have to run out and buy another controller.
WiiSports: a game packed right in is a great idea, espcially for the non-gamers. Plus I want to have this game for when friends are over, but I don't know if I would spend $50 for it
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2006, 08:00:38 AM
Same Here
I'll leave you guys with those and I'm off to take a final that has the fate of my graduation hanging in the balance.
Post by: Arbok on August 08, 2006, 08:02:19 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
$229 Would be awesome if it came with:
Console
2 wiimotes with nunchuka
1 classic controller
Wii Sports
Super Mario Bros and DuckHunt from VC.
That sounds like a real deal, although I doubt Wii Sports would be a pack-in considering the interest, and how much money Nintendo might make if it were sold separately. I wouldn't doubt, though, that after the initial rush that it might make a perfect pack-in.
Post by: Kairon on August 08, 2006, 08:36:46 AM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 08:55:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric I'll leave you guys with those and I'm off to take a final that has the fate of my graduation hanging in the balance.
Good luck!
And last I heard, they won't be packing in a classic controller because of the logic that not everyone will have broadband and as such not everyone will be downloading VC games which would warrant the controller.
Post by: Darkheart on August 08, 2006, 10:22:31 AM
Wii Console
1 Controller with nunchuck attachment
1 Classic controller
That is all you need, you guys are giving out free stuff that Nintendo wants to make money off of. You will need the controller and nunchuck obviously, but the classic controller is VITAL to 3rd party games that choose NOT to use the wiimote. I know if I was a developer I would be pissed.
Dev1: Hmmm I really want to make a game that doesnt use the wiimote.
Nintendo: Oh my dear friend we have created this wonderful controller for you!
Dev1: Thanks Nintendo you really are my Bestest FRIEND EVOR!!!!!11111
Nintendo: ::cough cough ummm people will have to buy the damn controller to play your game cough cough:: /backstab
I think it is core to the system. How can you advertise a game that you want people to play at an average price of 50 bucks and force them to buy a controller for extra money (approx 25 bucks). Plus I really think SSBB will be using the classic controller and NOT the Gamecube remote. It makes WAY more sense for them to be using a current gen controller then a last gen one. Seriously if Nintendo uses a Gamecube remote for their own game, where does that leave the dev feeling about their "classic" controller.
As far as issues with people complaining about 2 wii motes for drum games and what not. That will be a niche market as I see it and I think this will happen.
Konami annoucnes Wii beatmania yada yada yada. . . .
Game ships for 60 bucks and comes with a wii mote OR an attachment of a drum stick. Seriously thinking tho if you needed a second wiimote for a drum game couldnt the nunchuck just act like one.... It has a gyro in it anyhow. . . .
Anywhoo thats my take
Oh and by the way 230 makes PLETY of sense. The DS is 130 and looking at the difference of the DS and Wii I think its fair to say 100 dollars is definitely worth the difference in technology. Although now thinking about it the GBA SP sold for a 79.99 price and the Gamecube sold for 99.99 but it was also a dying system. . .
Post by: ShyGuy on August 08, 2006, 10:33:54 AM
I think a Wii with extras bundled in at $230 is more likely than a bare bones at $199.
If you look back at the DS launch it came pretty loaded: Pictochat, Wrist strap with thumb numb, Extra stylus, and the Metroid Prime First Hunt Demo.
Post by: Kairon on August 08, 2006, 10:38:29 AM
I believe that the classic controller will almost exclusively be used for Virtual Console games, even though some new Wii games may give you the option of using it. As such, it makes no sense to pack a Wii Classic with every console, especially seeing as how only a simple minority of Wii buyers will utilize the virtual console online connection.
I would much rather see a 2-Wiimote set-up out-of-the box so that:
1. developers have the freedom to two-wiimote games (ala drum demo, or a gun+flashlight set-up)
2. the Wii is multiplayer right out of the box, period, party, pwn.
Wii sports may or may not be packed-in... more likely not, but I'd hope for a Wii sports to sell at $30, a price point much more friendly to casual and non-gamers.
Edit: OR, it may be likely that Nintendo actually decides to not pack-in stuff with the Wii and instead make some money off of accessory sales (because we ALL know we'd buy the accessories anyways if Nintendo didn't pack it in), and the rumored $229 price point is for a bare bones version of the system... (maybe with a Wii Tennis demo pre-loaded?)
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: couchmonkey on August 08, 2006, 10:50:47 AM
I guess it's possible that this is already affecting third-party decisions, maybe Metal Slug was converted to a Wii-style of control because the traditional controller isn't included. But I'm tempted to argue that it has more to do with developers really wanting to take advantage of the new controller.
Anyway, I hope Nintendo is bundling something with the system if it truly debuts at $230, but I'd buy it even if it just comes with one controller.
Post by: IceCold on August 08, 2006, 11:22:18 AM
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2 wiimote with nunchuka: Developers wouldn't be hesitant to develop 2 wiimote games, like the drum demo.
QuoteActually, the drum demo was done only with the remote and the analogue attachment - I think instead of using the pointer function to determine the depth of the stick, you had to press the trigger button in order to reach the second row of drums. But there may still be a game that actually uses that functionalty for drums.
1. developers have the freedom to two-wiimote games (ala drum demo...)
I, personally, feel that the classic controller should be included even though, as couchmonkey said, most third parties seem fine with it not being there. Also, SSBB could be easily done on the remote+attachment; it may be a bit uncomfortable, but it could be done..
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 08, 2006, 03:27:03 PM
However, I think that could appear confusing to the casual market. Wait. I have the Wiipointer, and analog attachment, AND classic controller. When do I use which? I would not be confused, but to the nongamer that would actual appear more complicated than one controller with a crazy amount of buttons.
Personally, all I really want is two WiiPointers and Analog attachment, so that 2-player games are working from start.
You know a demo of WiiSports could be included in the game. Perhaps something that has 2 of the sports included in WiiSports, or perhaps smaller demos of many of the sports.
That way you can immediately play with your Wii system without buying a game, but Nintendo can still make money off selling a full version of Wii Sports.
Post by: Kairon on August 08, 2006, 04:12:46 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuote
2 wiimote with nunchuka: Developers wouldn't be hesitant to develop 2 wiimote games, like the drum demo.QuoteActually, the drum demo was done only with the remote and the analogue attachment - I think instead of using the pointer function to determine the depth of the stick, you had to press the trigger button in order to reach the second row of drums. But there may still be a game that actually uses that functionalty for drums.
1. developers have the freedom to two-wiimote games (ala drum demo...)
I, personally, feel that the classic controller should be included even though, as couchmonkey said, most third parties seem fine with it not being there. Also, SSBB could be easily done on the remote+attachment; it may be a bit uncomfortable, but it could be done..
Well, actually the Drum Demo used two Wiimotes, but it could have been done in a much similar manner with a wiimote with nunchuck attachment. And you're right, they merely used different buttons that you hold down to determine which drum you hit.
But still, for my same reasons above, I'd much prefer a second Wiimote packed in than a Classic controller packed in.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: ruby_onix on August 08, 2006, 11:48:45 PM
And I really don't think I need to tell anyone what I think of the idea of paying $230 for what yet another article suggests is merely an overclocked GameCube (with maybe some extras).
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 09, 2006, 02:22:24 AM
Post by: Pale on August 09, 2006, 04:15:40 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 04:42:00 AM
Post by: Requiem on August 09, 2006, 04:56:48 AM
It's funny though....If you add the prices together you get $360!
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 05:07:43 AM
Post by: Requiem on August 09, 2006, 07:01:16 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 07:54:20 AM
Post by: Requiem on August 09, 2006, 08:05:28 AM
That whole paragraph was very confusing (especially the first sentence).
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 08:20:35 AM
Post by: Requiem on August 09, 2006, 08:48:51 AM
And I disagree. The only game where I've honestly had to sit down and chill (as if playing a console), is Trauma Center. That required concentration and was best played in a place that wasn't outside.
Other than that, the DS:Lite is the most portable of portable handhelds (especially because of it's bright display). I play it while waitng in line for food (inside and drive-thru), while chillen at a park, or while waiting for the elevator. It really doesn't matter where I am. The DS: Lite will hold its own. That to me, is the true definition of a handheld.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 09, 2006, 11:24:38 AM
Post by: Zach on August 09, 2006, 11:35:44 AM
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Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 12:52:16 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on August 09, 2006, 02:49:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale
Hahah ruby... I hope you don't buy a Wii.... "with maybe some extras" Pff, thanks for the laugh.
Actually, I was referring to the "It's really a $150 system but Nintendo's gonna give us a spare Wiimote/Nunchuck/Classic Controller/Wiisports/free VC downloads" that half the Nintendo fanboys on the interent are already doing to try and excuse the price.
But you can keep on thinking that I'm the only one out there who has a problem with some of Nintendo's recent decisions. I know this forum needs more stereotype characters.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 09, 2006, 03:04:37 PM
OH WAIT. FAIL.
Post by: ruby_onix on August 09, 2006, 03:18:54 PM
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/79/metalgearsolid420050915072838293zb3.jpg
What a joke. I don't know why I even brought it up. $230 for a current-gen conslole with "fun injection" technology a much better deal.
Edit: Removed pic that's too HD for Nintendo.
Post by: Kairon on August 09, 2006, 03:29:17 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 09, 2006, 03:53:23 PM
Timeless snake >>> Old and Suicidal Snake
Post by: SixthAngel on August 09, 2006, 06:26:36 PM
Nintendo also told their stockholders not to expect a profit during the launch quarter. They are not overcharging you for the console and trying to rip you off or they would be expecting a profit at this time. That is a good price.
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 09, 2006, 08:06:04 PM
Quotepretty much what I think.... without sarcasm tags
Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Yeah. Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars for this crap?
(MGS4 Image)
What a joke. I don't know why I even brought it up. $230 for a current-gen conslole with "fun injection" technology a much better deal.
Post by: Deguello on August 09, 2006, 08:39:14 PM
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Edit: Removed pic that's too HD for Nintendo.
It's also too HD for my television. And for like 90% of the world's televisions. It's also too HD for the rules. Keep trolling about like you are, and you will find yourself too HD for this forum.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 09, 2006, 09:19:07 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Yeah. Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars for this crap?
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/79/metalgearsolid420050915072838293zb3.jpg
What a joke. I don't know why I even brought it up. $230 for a current-gen conslole with "fun injection" technology a much better deal.
Edit: Removed pic that's too HD for Nintendo.
Whoa gotta love that blast from the past wall texture. N64 expansion pak's still bangin' away!
Post by: Ceric on August 10, 2006, 07:34:00 AM
New technology cost money even if you are just updating older technology. By the logic that people are using the DS is horribly over priced. Don't get me started on PDA's I mean I should be able to buy them for what... 50 bucks or so. I mean the Arm processor has been around for a while and all that technology too plus there small. What about 32 bit processors alone? Why am I paying over $100 for some and much much more on there 64 bit cousins for an architecture that I personally beleive should have been left to die like it was suppose to a long time ago? Man... Those UMPC are really over priced. All those features are already in the overpriced laptop and plus the UMPC is smaller so it takes less materials to build.
Get over it. Engineering a small low power unit alone cost a lot. There is no doubt in my mind that the updated chips in the Wii are totally different beasts under the hood. They take less power from all reports then there predeccessors and run faster. That takes more work then just upping the clock. Not to mention how small the Wii is and that Nintendo states it will be near silent. Thats impressive. Engineering something that small that can stay cool is no easy feet. Especially unlike a computer the average load on the Console will be higher then the PC because it will only have some of the heavier load application running on it, games. Not having HD and super twin Turbo Graphic pipeline of doom or something like that was probably more because Nintendo couldn't get the size, price, or reliability they wanted on those components. Lets say you did manage to squeeze the power of the PS3 graphics capability into the size of the Wii. The cooling unit would cost an arm and a leg. Yeah that $230 would probably be cooling only. It's just not that realistic.
So in the end. I personally believe that we are getting one great bargain here. Everyone will admit that the Cube wasn't pushed to its limits like all of its predeccessorss. Here we are paying $129.99 for a DSLite and considering it a good price for not even that updated of a handheld but complain about paying $229 for a brand new, more powerfull, smaller, energy efficient, prettier system when that's only $30 more then the Cube cost at launch. While if we were to look at the Handheld equivalence the GBA* was $99 at launch while the DS** was $149.99 at launch. A fifty dollar difference and like the Wii the DS was ushering in a new way of gaming while not using cutting edge technology and still having backwards compatibility with it's direct predeccessor. So actually Nintendo is giving us a $20 dollar price break. Well isn't that nice.
We all love cheap technology. Especially new cheap technology. I think the price that Nintendo has set even if it ends up being $250 is fair, if not low, for what we are getting even if it only comes with a WiiPointer and Analog attachment.
*:In case you didn't figure it out the GBA = the GCN
**:Just to make sure everyone was on the same page the DS = the Wii
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 10, 2006, 08:11:06 AM
I say RE4, Metroid Prime 2, Twilight Princess, and F-Zero GX pushed the Cube to its limits in their own way.
MP2 and F-Zero sacrificed advanced texturing and other bumpy maps for high framerates and quick loading (while MP2 still pulled off GREAT texture distortion effects).
RE4 sacrificed the high framerate in favor of object detail and exclusive special effects (which still having a solid framerate)
Twilight Princess might be the one getting the most out of the Cube, since it's the last intense GCN project. It's got a good balance of object detail and stage size, and we expect it to have decent load times and other special effects. Something will be lacking when you try to incorporate all the available features on the console, and TP-GC, like RE4, was decided to run at 30fps instead of 60fps to free resources for the remaining features.
StarFukd Adventures tried to do an assload of effects in addition to high object detail at 60fps. The result is it fails at framerate consistency (not to mention other things) which is unnacceptable.
Post by: Ceric on August 10, 2006, 08:38:10 AM
I guess my point on that one was that there is a notable difference between an early PS2 game and a later PS2 game. People where pushing its technological boundaries all the time. Even the XBox got some of that pushing from third parties. The Cube on the other hand was always an after thought, it seemed, so, no one ever learned its every naunce well enough to really push its technology. Remember this thread. That looks pretty darn good. Good enough that some would and did think it was from a Next Gen system. That was the Resident Evil Remake... You can see the system had a lot of potential and Nintendo series tends to go for a more cartoony style that doesn't push the limit of technology. (Though WW looks nice...) On the whole I think the Cube wasn't exploited by entrepeneuring Third Parties like previous and other systems. (RE4 is the exception) I keep trying to wrap this up and it gets longer so I'm just going to stop here.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 10, 2006, 09:11:59 AM
1. Your Cube is borked.
2. Melee and fighting games in general, including the latest Fight Night on 360, are NOT good examples for referencing system power. Here's why: you've got a very limited, well-defined number of main on-screen characters, limited camera activity, limited view of the stage, limited stage interaction, and other misc. limitations on non-player AI and program physics -- unlike what you find in action-adventure games. As a result, it's easier for the console to toss graphics resources around, since there's not much in the way of platforming to a variety of surfaces, object collisions, NPCs, enemies and draw distance to worry about. There's only so many "Legos" to use, and AI and Fizziks do count as Lego pieces in addition to the obvious polygons and textures and effects. Haven't you asked yourself why fighting games seem to consistently pack more fine details than action-adventures?
If the graphics mainly look good when there's less "game" to play, then you're getting closer to a machine that only seems to shine during cutscenes OR fighting games (aka first-gen ps2), which is not what we want in general. Graphics should look *great* in a variety of demanding gameplay scenarios.
3. Games like Rogue Leader, Pikmin and Metroid Prime do a better job of defining Cube's first generation -- there's a lot more going on than just 2-4 characters fighting in the same hole or 2D-theater-stage.
Post by: Ceric on August 10, 2006, 09:18:38 AM
Anyway the point of the original post was that even $250 traditional launch setup I would consider a reasonable price when compared to other technologies in the area, pricing strategy with the DS, and the form factor. It was suppose to be a satire on how everyones wants the console to be uber cheap because its suppose to be "updated" technology only.
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1. Your Cube is borked.
Yep it is but I can't afford to get a new one with the Wii on the way.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 10, 2006, 09:18:54 AM
Post by: Requiem on August 10, 2006, 09:27:09 AM
LOCKED
just like this thread...
Post by: Ceric on August 10, 2006, 09:28:51 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 10, 2006, 09:35:51 AM
=D
Post by: Requiem on August 10, 2006, 09:56:54 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 10, 2006, 10:28:26 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 10, 2006, 10:30:35 AM
... I hope your balloons pop 
(On a side note I think we should make Tingle on honory member of Springfield for Mafia.
)I also experience some lag in Melee.
Post by: Arbok on August 10, 2006, 10:33:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Melee's framerate drops at times when 4 human players participate.
=D
Yep, although it has a lot to do with the level you pick and the items as well. Turning the item frequency to max with all Pokéballs is a good way to see the framerate dip, for example.
Post by: Requiem on August 10, 2006, 10:47:28 AM
I rarely play with items...and when I do, it's set to medium or low (with no hammers, or stars, or hearts and crap).
Also, I play on Final Destination all the time (simply because there's no where to run).
Post by: Kairon on August 10, 2006, 03:54:54 PM
But then again, I suck at Smash Bros. so I guess that renders my personal preferences completely irrelevant. /sad
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 10, 2006, 06:07:32 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Yeah. Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars for this crap?
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/79/metalgearsolid420050915072838293zb3.jpg
What a joke. I don't know why I even brought it up. $230 for a current-gen conslole with "fun injection" technology a much better deal.
Edit: Removed pic that's too HD for Nintendo.
Hahahaha...ha...
Post by: Requiem on August 10, 2006, 07:28:24 PM
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Post by: Mario on August 15, 2006, 10:30:05 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Yeah. Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars for this crap?
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/79/metalgearsolid420050915072838293zb3.jpg
What a joke. I don't know why I even brought it up. $230 for a current-gen conslole with "fun injection" technology a much better deal.
Edit: Removed pic that's too HD for Nintendo.
Why would you pay $600 for a screenshot that's already publicly available for free?
