Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2006, 03:22:24 PM
"As far as Nintendo's "failure" with the Nintendo 64, the system was their biggest seller to date (excluding handheld systems). It outsold the SNES and certainly outsold the GameCube, both in terms of hardware and software. The reason? The market share had increased almost tenfold after the advent of the PlayStation. This isn't to say that Nintendo's incredibly stupid decision to stay with the cartridge format didn't seriously hamper the system. But saying Nintendo had a strangehold on the industry is just falsified nonesense. Nintendo had over a 99% market share during the NES years. However, during the SNES generation, the Genesis completely trounced the NES's successor. Nintendo had less than a 20% market share at this time. Taking this into account, comparing Nintendo's reign as head console with Sony's reign really doesn't have any merit.
As far as Sony getting arrogant, I couldn't agree more. However, recently both Microsoft and Nintendo have gotten just as bad. Nintendo's vice president of marketing, Perrin Kaplan, blatantly informed Nintendo's consumers that no matter what, the Revolution was going to be renamed Wii. In so many words, she basically said that no amount of complaining would change the name and that people were going to buy the console no matter what. This sounds almost exactly like Sony's current rhetoric.
As far as the rather unimpressive lineup of launch titles for the Wii:
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII - most WWII shooters are abysmal
Blitz: The League - there hasn't been a good NFL Blitz game since the first
Cars - Movie games are almost always atrocious
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 - This game appeals to only one demographic
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors - Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronciles revisited
Elebits (exclusive) - I have no idea what this is
Far Cry - A game that's been available on multiple platforms for the past three years
GT Pro Series (exclusive) - Gran Turismo 4 destroys this on every level
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (exclusive) - Doesn't look impressive at all, especially considering this is an "updated" GameCube game
Madden NFL 07 - This will be a big seller, but the 360 version will ensure it's not a system seller for the Wii
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - Interesting as always, but also a bit too formulaic
Metal Slug Anthology - There hasn't been a good Metal Slug game since ... well, there hasn't ever been a good Metal Slug game
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (exclusive - This will be a system seller for a few (namely, me) but not enough people played the first two to really make it widely appealing
Monster 4X4 World Circuit - Please
Need for Speed Carbon - Again, good, but not a system seller by any means
Open Season - No idea what this is
Rayman Raving Rabbids (exclusive) - Possibly a system seller for a few fans of the first sequel, but it's just not as widely appealing as the rather lackluster Crash Bandicoot or Spyro
Red Steel (exclusive) - Looks intriguing
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab - This will be awful if the other SS games are any indication
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz - Fun, but not a system seller and it's available on other platforms
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam - I don't understand the appeal of TH games whatsoever
Trauma Center: Second Opinion (exclusive) - Another example of Nintendo's failed attempts at originality
Wii Motor Sports Airplane (exclusive) - Not a big seller
Wii Sports (exclusive) - Again, not a big seller
I guess the closest thing to a system seller will be Twilight Princess. But, honestly, it's a GameCube game that Nintendo tried to upgrade into a Wii title. It looks like a GameCube game in terms of graphics and framerate. Make no mistake, I'll be the first in line to get it, but I'm not nearly as excited about it as I was for Ocarina of Time or even Wind Waker (shudder).
As far as Sony having an uphill battle, since when has any system not had an uphill battle? Sony's recent arrogance plus their gigantic price tag for the PS3 will hinder them, but their exclusives make up for it. The 360 has absolutely no system sellers whatsoever, but then there's always Halo 3 on the horizon. The Wii is inferior in terms of hardware, but the virtual console and the Wiimote are gathering lots of attention. It's going to be a very interesting (and pricey) next generation."
Post by: slacker on August 06, 2006, 03:47:56 PM
Post by: pirateluigi on August 06, 2006, 03:52:38 PM
I'm going to have to end my review of this analysis lest I be hypocritical since I did say there was no point in addressing it. :-p
Post by: Kairon on August 06, 2006, 03:59:22 PM
I mean, just look at how the author writes off the Cult Classic Trauma Center derisively. Trauma Center has been a resounding success, if not in terms of being a million-seller than in terms of financially profitable software (it must've been darn easy to develop). Trauma Center only serves as an example of what smaller publishers and developers could tap into with the Wii (and DS).
Also, the author vastly underestimates the appeal of The Metroid name on hardcore gamers and as an FPS/FPA Launch title (worst case scenario: Metroid Prime 3 is a better launch title than Perfect Dark 0). The author also vastly underestimates the Zelda name, especially how Zelda serves as a bridge for consumers to consider the Wii(Nintendo may be canibalizing GC sales actually: customers walking in to buy GC Zelda may buy a Wii and Zelda).
Also, the author writes off the Wii Sports game when in fact, that game is almost turning into Nintendo's Wii Flagship title, and when coupled with Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, will be clinchers when the question of "party games" comes up, especially for casual and non-gamers.
And Writing off Rayman, comapring it to a Spyro or Crash game? I question whether the author really put real thought into that, or can back it up in a cogent argument when faced with the fervor for the game and the sure-to-be-appealing mix of the game's humor, amazing art style, and new Wii control paradigms.
Of course, I tend not to disagree with the author when he/she lists the third party line-up, especially the ports from midway and Ubi and EA. But the author is merely using these lackluster titles (which could also be found at other system launches) to bury their amazingly negative take on some of the Wii Launch Line-ups biggest titles.
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Post by: Ceric on August 06, 2006, 03:59:47 PM
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As far as Nintendo's "failure" with the Nintendo 64, the system was their biggest seller to date (excluding handheld systems).
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However, during the SNES generation, the Genesis completely trounced the NES's successor. Nintendo had less than a 20% market share at this time
Anybody know the validity of those two claims?
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As far as Sony getting arrogant, I couldn't agree more. However, recently both Microsoft and Nintendo have gotten just as bad.
Yeah. We all already knew that. Nintendo has a reason to be though and Microsoft needs to for self-defense.
Oh, also if Perrin Kaplan went missing for some reason or another I'll host the party
. As a PR person she... is... useless. She must really know how to run the behind the scenes. Now I've never had to actually deal with her but all her interviews are smug and useless.As for the list this man doesn't seem very imagitive(sp?). It's funny how he ditches Rayman and gives it props at the same time.
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Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors - Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronciles revisited
Probably never played FF:CC and hasn't even looked at the Dragon Quest Swords little information we have and the write up that was done about the game that was it's predecessor.
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Elebits (exclusive) - I have no idea what this is
There you go it's good to be honest
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Wii Motor Sports Airplane (exclusive) - Not a big seller
Wii Sports (exclusive) - Again, not a big seller
He must of not known what to say because thats a none statement until the game is actually sold. Technically none of these are "big sellers"
In general that list just shows he needs to be a little more informed. This just shows his biases for certian genres. It be interesting to see him write that list again when we have more information. Though I think that this illustrates my point well. One thread I mentioned that people are getting mediocre towards the Wii because it is something that needs to be experienced. Well it's been a couple months since anyone has experienced it. Things like this will happen. Nintendo is killing there own hype by not letting us even have bones. I will now continue.
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I guess the closest thing to a system seller will be Twilight Princess. But, honestly, it's a GameCube game that Nintendo tried to upgrade into a Wii title. It looks like a GameCube game in terms of graphics and framerate
Contradictory. He said early he would buy the Wii for Metroid Prime 3. Please keep consistent. Also in terms of framerates at the very least that public hasn't seen it on final hardware yet so you can't really judge that. Graphics wise your point being? I've seen recent movies with graphics that looked worse than that. What do you want? Live action?
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As far as Sony having an uphill battle, since when has any system not had an uphill battle? Sony's recent arrogance plus their gigantic price tag for the PS3 will hinder them, but their exclusives make up for it.
Please support. There really isn't an exclusive title on the PS3 yet that I really want the system for. Some I wouldn't mind having if I had a PS3, like the Gundam game. In fact I haven't heard from anyone that strongly desires one of the PS3 launch games.
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The 360 has absolutely no system sellers whatsoever, but then there's always Halo 3 on the horizon.
Please support yet again. Looking at the upcoming games their Gear of War, Blue Dragon, Maybe Ninety-Nine Nights, Enchanted Arms, or Marvel: Ultimate Alliance. I wouldn't touch and X-Box because it really had no games I could justify buying it for. If I wasn't so poor I probably pick up a 360 for those games I just listed. Thats just me.
All in all I could dissect this more but I'll leave some for everyone else. In the end though I think his arguments could have been better with more support and a citing of his sources of information on some parts. Also if the whole tone of thing didn't seem like he was angry when he wrote this. Anger does not solve you problems. Especially when writing is your only means of getting your point across.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 06, 2006, 04:00:06 PM
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Open Season - No idea what this is
Gee, with all the thought and research that went into this "analysis" how can we argue against it?
Post by: Ceric on August 06, 2006, 04:03:22 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2006, 04:09:16 PM
"spirit, polls are almost completely rubbish before the system comes out. Look at GameFAQs polls archive. The GameCube was predicted to be the second biggest seller of this generation. We know exactly how well that occurred. Also, the Dreamcast was polled as being one of the biggest successes of this generation. Now you can buy them for around $6.50. The old saying goes "85% of all statistics are false."
Gamefaqs is and never will be a reliable source for polls, if you can show me something in line with Famitsu's respect, then go right ahead. The point is that Famitsu, a highly respect gaming magazine has shown Wii's lead WIDENING not shrinking in terms of anticipation.
"As far as Nintendo's "failure" with the Nintendo 64, the system was their biggest seller to date (excluding handheld systems). It outsold the SNES and certainly outsold the GameCube, both in terms of hardware and software. The reason? The market share had increased almost tenfold after the advent of the PlayStation. This isn't to say that Nintendo's incredibly stupid decision to stay with the cartridge format didn't seriously hamper the system. But saying Nintendo had a strangehold on the industry is just falsified nonesense. Nintendo had over a 99% market share during the NES years. However, during the SNES generation, the Genesis completely trounced the NES's successor. Nintendo had less than a 20% market share at this time. Taking this into account, comparing Nintendo's reign as head console with Sony's reign really doesn't have any merit."
Funny I don't recall saying anything about N64 being a failure but stated it was the beginning of Nintendo's decline. They lost 3rd parties and mainly lived off first parties. SNES beng trounced by Genesis? I believe SNES sold 49 million while Genesis sold 35 million worldwide. Doesn't seem like much of trounce to me. Perhaps you can give where you got these statistics along with the 20% market share (You are telling me that Sega had 80% of the market share? Don't make me laugh). Nintendo 64 sold 30+ million worldwide, once again I have no idea where you are getting these numbers!
"As far as Sony getting arrogant, I couldn't agree more. However, recently both Microsoft and Nintendo have gotten just as bad. Nintendo's vice president of marketing, Perrin Kaplan, blatantly informed Nintendo's consumers that no matter what, the Revolution was going to be renamed Wii. In so many words, she basically said that no amount of complaining would change the name and that people were going to buy the console no matter what. This sounds almost exactly like Sony's current rhetoric."
Perhaps they felt it was the best marketing move? That isn't arrogance it is a move that is marketing based, and the Wii controvery gave the console more publicity than any good news at the time provided.
"As far as the rather unimpressive lineup of launch titles for the Wii:
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII - most WWII shooters are abysmal
Blitz: The League - there hasn't been a good NFL Blitz game since the first
Cars - Movie games are almost always atrocious
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 - This game appeals to only one demographic
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors - Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronciles revisited
Elebits (exclusive) - I have no idea what this is
Far Cry - A game that's been available on multiple platforms for the past three years
GT Pro Series (exclusive) - Gran Turismo 4 destroys this on every level
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (exclusive) - Doesn't look impressive at all, especially considering this is an "updated" GameCube game
Madden NFL 07 - This will be a big seller, but the 360 version will ensure it's not a system seller for the Wii
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - Interesting as always, but also a bit too formulaic
Metal Slug Anthology - There hasn't been a good Metal Slug game since ... well, there hasn't ever been a good Metal Slug game
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (exclusive - This will be a system seller for a few (namely, me) but not enough people played the first two to really make it widely appealing
Monster 4X4 World Circuit - Please
Need for Speed Carbon - Again, good, but not a system seller by any means
Open Season - No idea what this is
Rayman Raving Rabbids (exclusive) - Possibly a system seller for a few fans of the first sequel, but it's just not as widely appealing as the rather lackluster Crash Bandicoot or Spyro
Red Steel (exclusive) - Looks intriguing
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab - This will be awful if the other SS games are any indication
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz - Fun, but not a system seller and it's available on other platforms
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam - I don't understand the appeal of TH games whatsoever
Trauma Center: Second Opinion (exclusive) - Another example of Nintendo's failed attempts at originality
Wii Motor Sports Airplane (exclusive) - Not a big seller
Wii Sports (exclusive) - Again, not a big seller"
That is all your opinion, there are many who would disagree. Tell me, what launch lineup will PS3 have? Let's see, Warhawk, Ridge Racer, Sonic, Call of Duty 3, and a bunch of multiplatformer games, what do you think is the big system seller that isn't "formulaic? The Wii will have Twilight Princess, MP3, Wii Sports (this WILL be a system seller, the praise it got at E3 was astouncding, Red Steel, Rayman (has potential). The other games you cannot pass much judgement on either way because it will depend how efficiently and creatively the controls are implemented (even those that played Madden 07 had a blast with the new control scheme) Funny you mention Trauma center as a failed attempt at originality, at least Nintendo TRIES to innovate. While Sony has been sucking off the same gameplay hardware since they "borrowed" the N64 analog stick and threw in a second one (that and possibly the eyetoy are the limits to Sony's creativity). Now they are trying to suck off the Wii controller motion control.
PS3 unconfirmed launch lineup
# Warhawk
# MotorStorm
# Ridge Racer 7
# Fatal Inertia
# Full Auto 2: Battlelines
# Blade Storm: Hundred Years War
# flOw
# Sonic the Hedgehog
# Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
# Call of Duty 3
# Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas
# Need for Speed: Carbon
# NBA Live 07
"I guess the closest thing to a system seller will be Twilight Princess. But, honestly, it's a GameCube game that Nintendo tried to upgrade into a Wii title. It looks like a GameCube game in terms of graphics and framerate. Make no mistake, I'll be the first in line to get it, but I'm not nearly as excited about it as I was for Ocarina of Time or even Wind Waker (shudder)."
This may or may not be true, we don't know what the final product will look like. All I know is that TP has been in production longer than Ocarina, so I have a ton of hope for it. Even if worse comes to worse and the graphics aren't up to par, there is still the Wii control and really gameplay is all that will matter in the end.
"As far as Sony having an uphill battle, since when has any system not had an uphill battle? Sony's recent arrogance plus their gigantic price tag for the PS3 will hinder them, but their exclusives make up for it. The 360 has absolutely no system sellers whatsoever, but then there's always Halo 3 on the horizon. The Wii is inferior in terms of hardware, but the virtual console and the Wiimote are gathering lots of attention. It's going to be a very interesting (and pricey) next generation."
I agree this will be an interesting and pricey generation (I have just repurchased a 360). Honestly I think you are underestmating 360 which has exclusives like Project Gotham, Forza, Gears of Wars (has potential), and of course Halo (which I am not a fan of). Once again I will state that if Sony starts to struggle (I don't doubt it will sell out at launch but after that I don't know) then you may see those exclusives start to evaporate due to the tremendous development costs.
Post by: Arbok on August 06, 2006, 04:12:07 PM
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Open Season - No idea what this is
Gee, with all the thought and research that went into this "analysis" how can we argue against it?
Couldn't have said it better. Who is this guy? Some random forum poster? If so, I hardly think it's worth even bothering with. If it's actually from a publication, then oh boy...
Also, where did that 20% market share during the 16 bit war come from? 20%? Yeah right... was that figure pulled right after the SNES was launched and after the Genesis had already had awhile on the market? The two were pretty close through out their lives in the US until DKC, which killed the Genesis outright from that point on.
Post by: Kairon on August 06, 2006, 04:15:58 PM
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Post by: Arbok on August 06, 2006, 04:19:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Yeah, the author has done the bare minimum amount of copy-pasting-a-Wii-Launch-list in order to hide the fact that he or she's done no real research at all, nor wishes to since it would force him or her to revise his or her thoughts.
Very good point. I also got the feeling of a Sony fanboy who was trying, fairly poorly, to seem like their opinion was objective and in fact opened to all of them, when it was already set in stone.
Post by: MaryJane on August 06, 2006, 04:53:47 PM
I'm also a little tea pot short and stout, here is my handle, here is my spout...
That post was so ludicrous, I can make up statistics and pretend to be able to predict the future too.
Oh anD VG I love that thing about "85% of all statistics are false", because that one probably is also. How the hell can you prove something like that? I just think it's funny. Not like trying to put you down.
"85% of statistics are false, including this one" would probably be more accurate lol.
Post by: pirateluigi on August 06, 2006, 05:40:31 PM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
Oh anD VG I love that thing about "85% of all statistics are false", because that one probably is also. How the hell can you prove something like that? I just think it's funny. Not like trying to put you down.
"85% of statistics are false, including this one" would probably be more accurate lol.
Yeah... that's kinda the whole point of the joke.... y'know, nevermind. I'll tell you when you're older.
Post by: IceCold on August 06, 2006, 05:48:19 PM
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QuoteThat's kinda implied there, MJ..
Oh anD VG I love that thing about "85% of all statistics are false", because that one probably is also. How the hell can you prove something like that? I just think it's funny. Not like trying to put you down.
"85% of statistics are false, including this one" would probably be more accurate lol.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2006, 05:56:33 PM
Post by: Requiem on August 06, 2006, 05:59:31 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2006, 05:59:45 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Seriously, is this even worth our time? Why is this posted in our forums as an "analysis"? Who the hell is this guy, anyway?
EDIT:QuoteThat's kinda implied there, MJ..
Oh anD VG I love that thing about "85% of all statistics are false", because that one probably is also. How the hell can you prove something like that? I just think it's funny. Not like trying to put you down.
"85% of statistics are false, including this one" would probably be more accurate lol.
Actually I posted it more so based on its ridiculousness than anything, I thought you guys would enjoy reading it. He is one of those individuals that talks intelligent yet a bunch of crap comes out.
Post by: Magik on August 06, 2006, 06:00:30 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 06, 2006, 06:04:06 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2006, 06:05:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Magik
Wait, what? The N64 outsold the SNES?
Well DUHHH, like everyone knows that. Dreamcast outsold NES too.
Post by: IceCold on August 06, 2006, 06:09:30 PM
QuoteWell, it is funny.. kind of like that "It's a fact, look it up" guy..
Actually I posted it more so based on its ridiculousness than anything, I thought you guys would enjoy reading it. He is one of those individuals that talks intelligent yet a bunch of crap comes out.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on August 06, 2006, 10:10:14 PM
Price, size, multiplayer fun, retro games. I know so many people who brought NES/SNES to school, and many more that had N64's (mostly just for starfox/SSB/PerfectDark). Wii is at a great price (i'm hoping for 200) and has a good image already
AND I've already seen advertisements for it on FaceBook... so... Wii for the win
Post by: Kairon on August 06, 2006, 11:22:28 PM
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Post by: BigJim on August 07, 2006, 04:09:51 AM
NES: 60 million units
SNES: 50 million
Genesis: 35 million
N64: 35 million
Cube: 21 million
Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2006, 04:28:29 AM
Post by: ToothpicksL on August 07, 2006, 07:02:35 AM
Post by: Caterkiller on August 07, 2006, 08:19:45 AM
Nintendo has been on a decline since the SNES days. Well by a hardware sales point of view. Remember Regi saying that at one point Nintendo had over 90% of the market share, and the only place to go was down? There was just alot more competition by then, so it was bound to happen.
Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2006, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: Donutt007 on August 07, 2006, 08:56:07 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
As far as Sony getting arrogant, I couldn't agree more. However, recently both Microsoft and Nintendo have gotten just as bad. Nintendo's vice president of marketing, Perrin Kaplan, blatantly informed Nintendo's consumers that no matter what, the Revolution was going to be renamed Wii. In so many words, she basically said that no amount of complaining would change the name and that people were going to buy the console no matter what. This sounds almost exactly like Sony's current rhetoric.
How can they even compair that statement??
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Perrin Kaplan, blatantly informed Nintendo's consumers that no matter what, the Revolution was going to be renamed Wii
VS.
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We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even [if] it didn't have games," he told the site.
Nintendo is stating that this is the name they have chosen, and we're (wii're) not going to change it. Sony is saying, hey people know sony they will buy any piece of crap that has our logo on it because they are all little slaves to the sony brand, all hail before the might of SONY!!!......ok, maybe they are saying that much, but they might as well have
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 10:03:48 AM
Give us the link to the location of this argument and we'll all go skull-f*ck this assh*le.
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on August 07, 2006, 12:58:11 PM
Post by: Neodymium on August 07, 2006, 01:22:54 PM
The Genesis outsold the SNES early on, and by 1993 they were neck-and-neck. By '94 SNES was the undisputed victor. N64 was the one that got trounced its whole life, and did sell less than SNES and NES. There's no merit in anything else he says, especially after skimming through a couple of his "objective analyses" on Wii games.
Smash_Brother's idea is the best thing I've heard in a while. Let's clusterfuck this kid.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 02:03:09 PM
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Originally posted by: BiLdItUp1
Well said Jess, as usual. This dude ain't worth our time here.
How do you know my name?!?
Oh...sig link...right...
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Smash_Brother's idea is the best thing I've heard in a while. Let's clusterfuck this kid.
Frankly, I've always wanted to do this: go to a forum which I visit on which all people agree upon one particular topic and call them in as backup in an argument like the one VGrev has posted here.
It's not like it's work or anything or that we feel obligated to come help: it's purely optional and crushing arrogant fanbois can be immensely stress relieving.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 07, 2006, 02:23:37 PM
WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 07, 2006, 02:25:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: BiLdItUp1
Well said Jess, as usual. This dude ain't worth our time here.
How do you know my name?!?
Oh...sig link...right...Quote
Smash_Brother's idea is the best thing I've heard in a while. Let's clusterfuck this kid.
Frankly, I've always wanted to do this: go to a forum which I visit on which all people agree upon one particular topic and call them in as backup in an argument like the one VGrev has posted here.
It's not like it's work or anything or that we feel obligated to come help: it's purely optional and crushing arrogant fanbois can be immensely stress relieving.
Hey that is the main reason why I posted it, just a fun thing to do. Personally I am not upset but I do think it is quite humorous, that same individual also said how Nintendo is messing up by not making the Wii a multifunction entertainment device like PS3.
Post by: Ceric on August 07, 2006, 02:37:49 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 06:34:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I personally rather not. The last thing we need is an interforum flame war. This is a good place because we tend not to have those type of people.
Unless someone here decides to say, "I DARE you to come to PGC!" to this guy, then I don't see how that could happen.
Although I do agree that attempting to snuff out all of the ignorance on the internet is certainly an exercise in futility (I gave up on it when I used to mod at IGN), it's great stress relief to unload on some whiner like this guy once in a while.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 07, 2006, 08:04:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
I personally rather not. The last thing we need is an interforum flame war. This is a good place because we tend not to have those type of people.
Hey is it a flame war when we are the only ones flaming? Sounds like a flame domination to me instead of a war
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 08:14:49 PM
Or should I just wait for Google to cache the page and find the page by matching exact phrases?
Post by: IceCold on August 07, 2006, 08:33:18 PM
QuoteDon't forget single disc wireless LAN!
Originally posted by: Kairon
Now, if only that Wii Wireless Lan comes true...*swoon*
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 09:56:52 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteDon't forget single disc wireless LAN!
Originally posted by: Kairon
Now, if only that Wii Wireless Lan comes true...*swoon*
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Er, I thought that was confirmed true...
Was that debunked?
Post by: Kairon on August 07, 2006, 10:08:13 PM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 07, 2006, 10:23:28 PM
If that feature DID get axed then that's an ironclad shame.
That feature would have turned dorms into wireless gaming paradises with Wiis all around.
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2006, 04:19:09 AM
