Post by: WindyMan on July 28, 2006, 01:23:49 PM
Vote and discuss. (It's not going to launch in uber-early October, so don't complain you can't vote for something eariler than the 15th!)
I'm sticking to my guns and going with November 5, even though a possible hint was dropped with the announcement of the Nintendo Fusion Tour dates. The sneak peek at the Wii (whatever that will entail) convieniently ends on the Saturday before a possible Sunday launch date. It still may be too close to the PS3 launch, though.
What say you?
Post by: stevey on July 28, 2006, 01:29:19 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 28, 2006, 01:31:16 PM
I'm just so bored these days and the Wii still seems too far off...
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on July 28, 2006, 01:48:16 PM
Post by: Ceric on July 28, 2006, 01:52:02 PM
Post by: Strell on July 28, 2006, 01:59:33 PM
Just thought you'd all like to know.
Especially you, Wyndyman.
Post by: MaryJane on July 28, 2006, 01:59:35 PM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 28, 2006, 02:03:28 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 28, 2006, 02:05:28 PM
Where are the multiple choice radio buttons? and the bar graph? This sure is a ghetto poll
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 28, 2006, 03:06:45 PM
QuoteROFL, my thoughts exactly!
Originally posted by: Professional 666
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Post by: WindyMan on July 28, 2006, 03:36:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Is this a poll?
REPORT TO MODERATOR
I'm a moderator! What seems to be the problem?
Oh, it's just a maniacal PGC staff that hungers for attention!
I'll allow it!
Post by: Mario on July 28, 2006, 10:17:31 PM
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2006, 07:28:26 AM
I was reading Matt's blog on IGN and I realized. You know Nintendo has been priming us for a while. Here's my reasoning.
They told us that the date won't be announced until September. Probably internally and to trusted developers Nintendo probably stated that having your game finished by September would behoove you. Having a rough idea of when they want to release Early November or October. They told us that an announcement won't be made until September. Therefore that is focussing us into there wanted launch window. Nintendo has manafacturing on track and know is trying to find a release date since they know they can have consoles out anytime after September. So they send out a press release to the English speaking Media. We all know how fast those things spread around the world on the Internet. Made sure it was worded in a way that us being hungry for information will latch onto it for debate. At that point we all give the pros , cons, and general why we think a certain launch date would be wise. Instant Market Research. The best part is they didn't have to pay for it and they know when gamers think it be best. Have a gamer release to get Wii's out and being exposed to the public. Then trickle games out till Christmas for the Christmas buying season. If some don't quiet make it there is still the next year.
People want to try the Wii but a personal setting is always best. Word of mouth.
Post by: Pale on July 29, 2006, 07:29:59 AM
It will launch November 19th. I'm so sick of people discounting that date just because it's after the 600 dollar beast.
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2006, 07:46:28 AM
Post by: Svevan on July 29, 2006, 08:22:53 AM
Post by: Mario on July 29, 2006, 08:47:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
LOL
I was reading Matt's blog on IGN and I realized. You know Nintendo has been priming us for a while. Here's my reasoning.
They told us that the date won't be announced until September. Probably internally and to trusted developers Nintendo probably stated that having your game finished by September would behoove you. Having a rough idea of when they want to release Early November or October. They told us that an announcement won't be made until September. Therefore that is focussing us into there wanted launch window. Nintendo has manafacturing on track and know is trying to find a release date since they know they can have consoles out anytime after September. So they send out a press release to the English speaking Media. We all know how fast those things spread around the world on the Internet. Made sure it was worded in a way that us being hungry for information will latch onto it for debate. At that point we all give the pros , cons, and general why we think a certain launch date would be wise. Instant Market Research. The best part is they didn't have to pay for it and they know when gamers think it be best. Have a gamer release to get Wii's out and being exposed to the public. Then trickle games out till Christmas for the Christmas buying season. If some don't quiet make it there is still the next year.
People want to try the Wii but a personal setting is always best. Word of mouth.
Haha, yeah I think Nintendo doesn't even know the release date yet.
I think it'll be October though. Just so they can have another huge shipment after launch in time before the holidays end.
Post by: NuclearSpeed on July 29, 2006, 08:47:38 AM
Post by: Mario on July 29, 2006, 08:57:28 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on July 29, 2006, 10:12:59 AM
Post by: Artimus on July 29, 2006, 10:38:54 AM
Uhhh...Nintendo never said no-early October, but they did say before the PS3.
Post by: Pale on July 29, 2006, 10:47:50 AM
/sigh. I still can't get over how many people discount the 19th solely because it's after the PS3 launch. I wish someone would take a bet from me.
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2006, 11:14:19 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on July 29, 2006, 11:31:30 AM
Post by: Pale on July 29, 2006, 11:48:24 AM
If it releases on the 19th, I get to make you an avatar that you have to use until the end of the year.
If it releases any day other than the 19th of November, you get to make me an avatar that I have to use until the end of the year. =P
Post by: Strell on July 29, 2006, 01:10:21 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2006, 02:07:38 PM
QuoteI don't have a link(and I'm not going to look for one either) but I remember Nintendo saying that they will not release after PS3, and this was said last year when the PS3 was rumored to be released last march
Originally posted by: Pale
God, they never said before the PS3. They said in the same launch window.
/sigh. I still can't get over how many people discount the 19th solely because it's after the PS3 launch. I wish someone would take a bet from me.
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2006, 02:20:12 PM
That's fine with me but I like to lay some ground rules. Nothing that involves cursing, anything that could be consider obscene, and it must comply with the rules of this forum (100x100 < 20kb), in other words PG-13 or below. I'm game under those conditions.
Post by: Pale on July 29, 2006, 02:30:55 PM
Post by: Ceric on July 29, 2006, 02:39:37 PM
Post by: Requiem on July 29, 2006, 02:51:56 PM
What's the point of making an avatar to humiliate somebody if it has to be PG-13? I understand if you don't want a picture of you with a penis for a nose, but not obscenities at all?
Post by: Pale on July 29, 2006, 02:58:34 PM
Also, I'm open to any other bets someone might want to make.
Post by: Requiem on July 29, 2006, 03:02:43 PM
Post by: Pale on July 29, 2006, 03:41:07 PM
It just makes sense to me.
Post by: IceCold on July 29, 2006, 05:26:06 PM
QuoteWow Pale.. I'm sorry but you ARE going to lose that bet..
Originally posted by: Pale
Change of bet Ceric...
If it releases on the 19th, I get to make you an avatar that you have to use until the end of the year.
If it releases any day other than the 19th of November, you get to make me an avatar that I have to use until the end of the year. =P
Post by: Caliban on July 29, 2006, 05:51:04 PM
I predict another PGC galactic battle in the coming weeks, alot of people will be angry.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 29, 2006, 08:01:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale There are ways to publicly humiliate people without being dirty.
After all, there's nothing dirty about loving chicken...
Post by: Ceric on July 30, 2006, 04:22:11 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 30, 2006, 08:47:42 PM
Post by: Mario on July 30, 2006, 08:50:19 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 30, 2006, 09:23:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Dead System.
It'll still do alright, it's just that every additional day that the Wii spends out before the PS3 is one more day for hype to build and for the news of its greatness to reach would be PS3 buyers who aren't in the loop about the Wii.
The Wii will no doubt be a very word of mouth driven system, just like the DS is now. Launching that close to the PS3 hurts its chances of smothering PS3 sales by not letting the word of mouth have enough time to spread.
Post by: Mario on July 30, 2006, 09:35:55 PM
I'd still love for them to both launch on the same day though just for the entertainment value. Fanboys will be arrested at midnight.
Post by: WindyMan on July 30, 2006, 09:45:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
It'll still do alright, it's just that every additional day that the Wii spends out before the PS3 is one more day for hype to build and for the news of its greatness to reach would be PS3 buyers who aren't in the loop about the Wii.
The Wii will no doubt be a very word of mouth driven system, just like the DS is now. Launching that close to the PS3 hurts its chances of smothering PS3 sales by not letting the word of mouth have enough time to spread.
No no, you have it backwards. The reason why Nintendo would like to get the Wii out as soon as possible (and before the PS3) is so the mainstream coverage of the Wii launch isn't smothered by the impending doom of mainstream coverage that is the PS3 launch. If the PS3 and Wii launched on top of each other, all the mainstream media outlets (local TV news, newspapers, CNN, etc.) would probably lead with PlayStation 3 and then go "and oh by the way" with the Wii.
I believe Microsoft got loads of press when they first launched the Xbox--more press than the GameCube--even though it came out three days after the GC. If the common news is talking more about the PS3 than the Wii, that would give the impression to the commoner that the PS3 is more important...Nintendo would like to avoid that. The sooner it launches before the PS3 launch, the better...but not too soon that there aren't enough consoles to satisfy the hardcore launch demand on day one and the weeks following.
Wii hype won't prevent the PS3 from selling out, and PS3 hype won't prevent the Wii from selling out. The two systems have different sets of early adopters, who will buy their console regardless of how the other looks. The PS3 can prevent the Wii from getting free media coverage, however, which is really important given Nintendo's angle this time through it. Nintendo is going to need all the exposure they can muster to explain what the hell it is they're up to.
Post by: BigJim on July 30, 2006, 11:52:52 PM
Since we're not going to hear about anything before September, an October launch would give stores a month or less to deal with POP materials, reservations, etc. If Nintendo is as interested in getting people to actually try this thing out as they claim, the more time the better. So October doesn't sound reasonable if their goal is hands-on and viral marketing.
Of course, the only people this matters to are early adopters and fanboys, IMO.
That audience has shrunk. Nintendo's goal is to broaden the market, and those audiences will not be first-day buyers anyway. It'll take at least a year to see the real fruits of that effort.
Post by: Requiem on July 31, 2006, 03:08:43 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
I'm thinking first half of November. Exactly when, I dunno.
Since we're not going to hear about anything before September, an October launch would give stores a month or less to deal with POP materials, reservations, etc. If Nintendo is as interested in getting people to actually try this thing out as they claim, the more time the better. So October doesn't sound reasonable if their goal is hands-on and viral marketing.
Wait, Nintendo could easily alert stores about their percieved release date before they ever officially announce the release date. Also, they could send kiosks and such early enough so by the time they announce the release date, the stores already have them set up.
Plus, Gaming Stores are already taking pre-orders so I don't know what the big deal is.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on July 31, 2006, 05:09:44 AM
Post by: BigJim on July 31, 2006, 05:36:50 AM
They'll likely be alerted to the release date and price in advance, but by and large they're not going to do pre-orders or start promotions until Nintendo gives them their blessing... when the launch details are announced.
Thus I think they'll ship POPs in late Sept or early October and launch in November.
Post by: Requiem on July 31, 2006, 05:58:19 AM
At least, that's how I'd do it if I owned a store.
And I still don't get why koisks have to be shipped late Sept or early Oct. Why not ship them a couple days before you announce the release date? So at the time of the official announcement, stores can run a pre-order campaign while allowing people to play the console. Because, seriously, more people will pre-order a console if they can try it before they make their decision.
Wouldn't you agree?
Post by: Ceric on July 31, 2006, 06:47:36 AM
A) They've partnered with Nintendo before
B) Lot's of Non-gamers and Gamers alike enjoy McDonalds
Then I would throw one at the front of Sears because they've partenerred before. Then I get them into Post Offices. ;P
Post by: Pale on July 31, 2006, 07:11:24 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 31, 2006, 10:16:55 AM
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Originally posted by: WindyMan No no, you have it backwards. The reason why Nintendo would like to get the Wii out as soon as possible (and before the PS3) is so the mainstream coverage of the Wii launch isn't smothered by the impending doom of mainstream coverage that is the PS3 launch.
How is that "backwards" to my comparison?
The Wii is, without question, going to be a word of mouth phenomenon: people who ignore ads or don't watch TV will be convinced when they try the thing out at someone else's home. Every moment that it spends out is one more that it has a chance of reaching people before the PS3 does. The most powerful advertising will always be person to person and there are still likely millions out there who dismiss Nintendo and have no clue about the existence of the Wii. For this reason, Wii demo kiosks need to be up ASAP so people can try it for themselves without having a friend own it.
The fact that the PS3's media blitz will overshadow the Wii's if they launch too closely goes without saying.
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You should all just go to a 24 hour wal mart and line up at like 7pm. Preordering is just inviting frustration.
Blech. Sounds like hell.
I've never had a problem with preordering. Every time I've done it, they've always had the goods ready and waiting when I arrived and they usually call me to let me know they're in beforehand.
Post by: BigJim on July 31, 2006, 11:19:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
So what if the company can't garuntee you a console at launch? It should be first to pre-order, first to get a console anyways....Those people who pre-ordered, but too late will most likely have the option to get back their down payment or wait for the second shipment.
The "so what" is that it defies the purpose of the pre-order. But that wasn't the point. By and large, most stores aren't going to do anything official with Wii until they get the blessing from Nintendo first (date/price/POPs/expected stock #).
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And I still don't get why koisks have to be shipped late Sept or early Oct. Why not ship them a couple days before you announce the release date? So at the time of the official announcement, stores can run a pre-order campaign while allowing people to play the console.
I agree. That's almost what I said.
Since TGS is in late Sept., sending out POPs a few days prior is negligible. My point is I don't think they're going to rush-release the system in October, less than 30 days after announcing the details and beginning the marketing.I think they're going to give potential customers more time than that to try it out first. That is more important than beating Sony to market, IMO.
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You should all just go to a 24 hour wal mart and line up at like 7pm.
Hell no, I am pre-ordering online and getting it shipped.
Most likely EBgames.com.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 31, 2006, 11:42:13 AM
If it's limit one per customer, I'll preorder one at each of the 3 Gamestops I live near. I'm confident that I'll either be able to find good homes for them or that they'll go for a bundle on eBay.
I was blessed in that a GS just recently moved in 5 minutes from my door.
Post by: Hocotate on July 31, 2006, 12:05:08 PM
Post by: IceCold on July 31, 2006, 09:25:10 PM
QuotePrecedence? I thought you were talking about George Bush for a second there..
Yeah. But Presidence says that no one gets a console until release.
Post by: Requiem on July 31, 2006, 09:37:16 PM
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I agree. That's almost what I said. Since TGS is in late Sept., sending out POPs a few days prior is negligible. My point is I don't think they're going to rush-release the system in October, less than 30 days after announcing the details and beginning the marketing.
Ahh, I see where you and I differ. You think Nintendo is going to announce the release date at TGS.
They won't be present at this years TGS though (in any form). Instead, they will most likely announce the dates/price/and such at Leipzig which is about a month away.
Now that you are in the loop, does October really seem so unrealistic?
Post by: BigJim on July 31, 2006, 11:02:42 PM
But I still think November.
If for no better reason than being cynical. LOL. But I'd love to have it sooner.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 01, 2006, 12:00:39 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on August 01, 2006, 01:14:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
Nintendo doesn't care about the PS3.
It will launch November 19th. I'm so sick of people discounting that date just because it's after the 600 dollar beast.
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God, they never said before the PS3. They said in the same launch window.
/sigh. I still can't get over how many people discount the 19th solely because it's after the PS3 launch. I wish someone would take a bet from me.
Actually, back in Jan 2003, Iwata said that the only reason the PS2 beat the GameCube was because they had a one-year head start.
Then at E3 2003...
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Iwata returned to conclude the event, and stated that Nintendo's next home console is already in development, categorically and adamantly stating that their competitors would not beat them to market this time. This came as a mix of excitement and sadness - as, in many ways, it was a rather blatant, official declaration that GameCube is dead, quite soon.
Then when MS revealed the Xbox360's date, he "clarified" that he was only referring to Sony, and not Microsoft. That the Revolution would beat the PS3 to the shelves.
Nintendo might not follow through on the claim, and they already let MS get a year head start, but Iwata said it.
Post by: Pale on August 01, 2006, 04:26:27 AM
2. I doubt that getting beat by two days counts as 'beating to market' in their mind.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 01, 2006, 04:40:34 AM
QuoteFrom what I heard Nintendo has a speech planned at GC in Leipzig titled "Wii will prove our promise", I expect them to fully spill the beans duing and after this speech. I think it will be on Aug. 23rd or 24th
Originally posted by: Requiem
Ahh, I see where you and I differ. You think Nintendo is going to announce the release date at TGS.
They won't be present at this years TGS though (in any form). Instead, they will most likely announce the dates/price/and such at Leipzig which is about a month away.
Now that you are in the loop, does October really seem so unrealistic?
QuoteI have heard that Nintendo had said something along the lines of "We will share everything about the Wii by September." [/paraphrasing]
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Didn't Nintendo say September or shortly before? I don't believe they said September will definately be the month, but it was hinted at that it would be around september.
How I would interpret that would be b4 the end of september but not ruling out b4 september even started.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 01, 2006, 06:47:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale 2. I doubt that getting beat by two days counts as 'beating to market' in their mind.
It should.
A quick internet search easily reveals that many gamers (formerly diehard Sony fans) are currently on the fence about whether they should give the Wii a try this time around.
Because of the insane price of the PS3, the likelihood of them buying both is rather slim. Even releasing a few days before the PS3 will give Nintendo an advantage when it comes to picking up the sales which they would otherwise lose to the PS3.
Yeah, I have no doubt that both will sell out, but the hardcore gamers are the ones who are GUARANTEED to boost the software tie-in ratio dramatically, especially if they were previously willing to drop $800 on a PS3 with games and accessories.
Not giving the Wii at least a two week head start seems like suicide because we all know that Sony will do everything they can to bury the Wii in a marketing blitz of PS3 hype.
Post by: Ceric on August 01, 2006, 07:22:42 AM
Post by: Requiem on August 01, 2006, 07:31:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Not giving the Wii at least a two week head start seems like suicide because we all know that Sony will do everything they can to bury the Wii in a marketing blitz of PS3 hype.
I can see it now. Sony commercails with FMV's posing as gameplay footage. Consumerists are in aww.....
Nintendo needs to stop that before it starts with a blitz of their own: WOM.
Post by: chain chomp on August 01, 2006, 12:29:31 PM
Post by: BigJim on August 01, 2006, 11:53:41 PM
The only way there would be equal or more PS3's than Wii's at launch is if Nintendo short-changes themselves like they were going to with the DS until Reggie (apparently) convinced them to beef up supply. These things are cheap to make. Load up the shelves, I say.
And if they can pull off an October launch AND offer up a fresh new pile of stock for PS3's launch, then all the better. We'll see.
Post by: Pale on August 02, 2006, 04:18:45 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2006, 05:07:12 AM
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Post by: couchmonkey on August 02, 2006, 06:40:42 AM
As for Wii vs. PS3, I think it may work to Nintendo's benefit to beat Sony to market in the long run, but I admit it will make almost no difference for the first few months. Both systems will be short on supply, probably. In the long run, though, Nintendo may get more press by releasing well before (or after) PS3, and thus a little more consumer awareness.
Post by: Pale on August 02, 2006, 06:49:03 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 02, 2006, 07:14:32 AM
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Post by: Pale on August 02, 2006, 08:00:48 AM
Ignorance would allow for Sony's blatant copying to work. Don't downplay it just because we know that it isn't as good. If a kid sees "Classic Dual Shock with Motion Sensing" and "Remote shaped controller with motion sensing" they look like the same thing.
Post by: JonLeung on August 02, 2006, 08:14:13 AM
Since it's not a wand-shape, it's too awkward to be used as a tool (hammer, knife), melee weapon (hammer, sword, axe), musical instrument (drumstick, conductor wand), long-range weapon (gun, bow), sports equipment (golf club, baseball bat, tennis racket) and it doesn't seem like a natural pointer (for selecting things in RPGs or RTSes or sniping in FPSes).
The PS3 controller LOOKS "normal", but it will sure feel awkward if they try to use its motion sensing in the same capacity as in Wii games.
Post by: Kairon on August 02, 2006, 08:14:19 AM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on August 02, 2006, 08:23:51 AM
Xbox had a great launch game that helped carry momentum into future sales...the Gamecube did not.
Launching early ensures that your system is available to purchase and your games before the competition. Meaning people will be dropping coin on your system first...and potentially not having the funds for the other system this holiday.
It is atleast as important for Nintendo to launch the same time as PS3.
However, all the 3rd party indicates late November not the early October we hope for.
Post by: Pale on August 02, 2006, 09:15:21 AM
GameCube had possibly the greatest game ever come out only two weeks after launch, well before christmas. Same difference.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 02, 2006, 09:29:19 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 02, 2006, 09:53:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale I dunno. All I keep thinking about is how close XBox and Cube launched, and how the eventual outcome had nothing to do with it.
You keep thinking about this as if it were a normal Nintendo system. It isn't. This is a new concept which Nintendo needs to prove in the marketplace not only to win the support of gamers and non-gamers but to win the support of developers who are currently casting a critical eye on the Wii.
If the Wii starts slow because its launch was buried under a pile of PS3 mainstream media coverage (Sony isn't beyond paying news networks to ensure the PS3's launch is "newsworthy"), then a lot of the devs who doubt the Wii now are going to say, "See? We were right!" and the devs who plan to support it might scale their support back, fearing that the Wii will indeed turn out to be GC2 and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I feel that the Wii has a great deal of potential, but if I were Nintendo, I wouldn't risk the launch by allowing Sony's hype machine to bury the Wii under a pile of PS3 ads saying, "New PS3 motion sensing controller makes games fun and innovative!" and then showing a bunch of beautiful FMVs from games which they'll try to pass off as gameplay.
By launching a month in advance, Nintendo would force Sony to fire their ad cannon early if they intended to smother the Wii's launch. Hyping the PS3 enough to smother the Wii will be nigh impossible if the PS3 won't be in stores for another MONTH.
This isn't the DS vs. the PSP where Nintendo typically dominates the market. Nintendo needs to prove that it can push units, and there would be no better way to prove this than to have the initial 6 million Wiis sell out before the PS3 even reaches store shelves (in a month, I think they could do it). That would seal the deal and earn Nintendo the 3rd party support which their previous two consoles lost marketshare without.
Sony is going to put more marketing power into the PS3 than likely anything they've ever created because the fate of Sony basically rests upon the success of the console: it's their primary hope for pushing BluRay into the market and you'd best believe they're going to make sure EVERYONE has heard of it before it launches.
What company with two brain cells to rub together would release a competing product into the middle of what will no doubt be a "Hail Mary" marketing campaign by Sony?
Post by: Kairon on August 02, 2006, 10:18:17 AM
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Post by: Pale on August 02, 2006, 10:31:50 AM
My point is that there is pluses and minuses to both. I don't think either is a better idea than the other. One could sit here and argue that the newest console will do the best at christmas because kids like new things.
This all started because everyone counts out the November 19th date because it is supposedly after the PS3 launch which would supposedly mean death for Nintendo.
I'm just saying that Nintendo is more reasonable than that. They don't care about Sony. They want the Wii launch to stand on its own, and the best way to do that is to pick a date that will give them the most time to prepare. November 19th is that date.
Post by: Kairon on August 02, 2006, 10:41:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
By launching a month in advance it gives everyone plenty of time to be 'bored' of wii and get hyped about PS3 for christmas.
My point is that there is pluses and minuses to both. I don't think either is a better idea than the other. One could sit here and argue that the newest console will do the best at christmas because kids like new things.
This all started because everyone counts out the November 19th date because it is supposedly after the PS3 launch which would supposedly mean death for Nintendo.
I'm just saying that Nintendo is more reasonable than that. They don't care about Sony. They want the Wii launch to stand on its own, and the best way to do that is to pick a date that will give them the most time to prepare. November 19th is that date.
Good points Pale.
But didn't Smash Bros. point out that even if you don't care about Sony, you WILL care about how much attention the public will be able to pay to you?
Or do you sincerely believe that marketting doesn't matter?
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Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2006, 10:43:02 AM
It seem the general consences(sp?) is that Nintendo's super-hype machine(shm), an exponent of 2 better then there regular hype machine, won't go into effect until after or near the console release. This may not be the case. I think Pale could win and Nintendo could do fine IF they start the shm early enough. Yes, I think an Oct. 2 launch would be ideal but this is not what this is about. If Nintendo can leave a very long shadow with its shm starting say September they could reach saturation by the time Sony's shm kicks in. Once the ground is saturated it takes no more water.
Nintendo has actually started a good foundation for this. Most people you talk with are generally excited about the Wii. While Sony, well.... This is a good position for Nintendo. The only thing hurting it is the lack of interaction after a good E3 showing. After the September announcement Nintendo needs to go and spread the word. The Fusion Tour is not spreading the word. After the announcements we should be seeing interviews in places like Times and USA Today. Get Dave Ramsey or Oprah Winfrey to try it. If they enjoy it I'm sure many will be curious. Get Wii demo units or just propaganda into common places like the post office, electric company, banks, etc. In fact see if you can get a famous Virtual Console character stamp series going with them all doing something with the Wii. Cereal giveaway things. Kids Meal toys. Cola. You get the point. The idea is that everyone knows about and when something comes up about the PS3 it will be "but what about the Wii?". People like what they know.
Simply put if Nintendo can generate enough momentum outside of the normal crowd they could pull it off. If they could further the stereo type that the PS3 is for the Snooby rich kid. That would help to. Something they should avoid is trying to sell the Nintendo name and their past successes. The Wii should be advertised like its the only thing they got. Not reference the others for strength. Fact of the matter until its release I advertise the VC as having past games and not be specific in any way shape or form. I leave that for after the initial launch. I'm going to end this here I can't thing of a good ending sentence ;p
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 02, 2006, 11:31:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale By launching a month in advance it gives everyone plenty of time to be 'bored' of wii and get hyped about PS3 for christmas.
I think it gives people on the fence more time to try and decide they want the Wii before they blow their budget on a PS3.
Nintendo likely won't be able to out ADVERTISE Sony, but if the Wii has had a month to saturate into the populace and make an impact as more people learn about it, THAT would be the most critical blow Nintendo could deal the PS3.
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I'm just saying that Nintendo is more reasonable than that. They don't care about Sony. They want the Wii launch to stand on its own, and the best way to do that is to pick a date that will give them the most time to prepare. November 19th is that date.
No matter how much Nintendo would deny it, they understand that there's a finite amount of money and attention which the populace can put forth.
Capturing that attention and money before Sony has the chance to do will put them in a much better position in terms of both exposure and profit.
I'm not worried about what kids will want for Christmas because the $600 pricetag will deter more parents than it will hardcore gamers.
Post by: BigJim on August 02, 2006, 11:39:12 AM
I don't think Nintendo cares if they literally beat Sony to market. Their cutoff is Black Friday. Anytime before then is gravy.
Don't let this turn into what you wish will happen rather than what you think will happen. Nintendo's not selling 6 million units in a month. C'mon. That's their fiscal year target for heavens sakes.
Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2006, 11:47:39 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 02, 2006, 12:15:06 PM
Microsoft had already gained alot of attention with Halo and its system was becoming popular with the American gamer. Nintendo releases Smash Brothers, and has great success, but then what came next?
Big games sell systems. Just look at the DS. With every great new popular game there is a sales spike in DS sales and the game sales. The Gamecube didn't have that success not because the big games didn't come...but because the big games didn't satisfy. People were disappointed in Mario and Zelda, and several were unsure of Metroid Prime.
Launching the Wii early will give Nintendo a few weeks to a months time to build up hype for the system. For people to try it out and for early adopters to allow their friends to try a new system and games.
Yes they could easily get bored with the games available and begin toward the PS3, but atleast they have already bought the system. You have a new adopter to the system that will buy games when they appeal to them. There is also a very easy means to combat that urge to buy a PS3 when you are bored with the Wii's launch games. Simply have new games out around the time of the PS3 launch.
All of a sudden the choice is two or three new Wii games or a really expensive new system. If those games are big hits and system movers, then its like you have had two launch cycles. (Or you have had two big pushes of the system in a single quarter.)
I think this is very doable with the games Nintendo has already shown for the Wii. They could hold back 2-3 games for a November release date, and release the Wii mid-October with a successful lineup.
Hell, there is a very very very very minor possibility that Nintendo could have Mario ready by late November or December for a nice big PS3 counter.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 02, 2006, 12:18:29 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim Don't let this turn into what you wish will happen rather than what you think will happen. Nintendo's not selling 6 million units in a month. C'mon. That's their fiscal year target for heavens sakes.
I admit that's high, but I don't think 3 million is unrealistic.
As for the subject, launching first gives incentive to the HARDCORE gamers to buy the Wii. It's very possible that we have many ex-Sony fans who were planning on buying a PS3 but could easily be lured to the Wii if it hits the market and they'd still be waiting for the PS3 launch.
Hardcore gamers are a good initial market to capture because they buy the most games, immediately causing a boost to the Wii's software tie-in ratio and giving cautious devs less of a chance to worry and more of a reason to go full speed ahead with the Wii.
All around, launching ahead of Sony will reap benefits for Nintendo.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 02, 2006, 12:35:52 PM
I am thinking Nintendo Wii can easily sell Nintendo DS level units at launch. So that means IF Nintendo has 3 million units worldwide then they are selling that. Hell, if they can get 6 million worldwide, I would expect Nintendo would get close to selling that many units.
The price is right, all we have to wait to see is if the games attract people, and if Nintendo can have enough units at launch to sell.
Actually launch early helps with this too...because it means new ships can get out to needed territories a month after launch.
(Note: I am not predicting Nintendo to sell 6 million or even have that many units available.) My point is that Nintendo has the potential to break sales records for a new system this year.)
Post by: BigJim on August 02, 2006, 02:52:07 PM
Most hardcore gamers have likely already made up their minds. One or the other, both, or all 3. The hardcore market doesn't seem to be Nintendo's long term interest anyway. If a hardcore gamer chooses Wii, I think they'll be bored/disappointed after awhile. PS3 or 360 are safer bets, despite their higher prices.
I also think people are thinking too hard.
Whether they start sales in October or November, supply won't matter tremendously unless they actively move to increase it. They'll either ship early with fewer in stock, or later with more in stock. Whichever theory you subscribe to (October or November), the projection is 6 million through March either way. The debate about the best way to do it, or who buys what, is washed out by their roughly equal sales projections after the dust settles.If you want to talk about the "quality" of the 6 million buyers, if they can only choose one, then the hardcore gamers are going to go with the hardcore platform (it's not Wii, IMO). But really, most all early adopters are hardcore in some manner. They're going to be quite targetted buyers no matter what.
Post by: Kairon on August 02, 2006, 02:59:48 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 02, 2006, 04:08:15 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 02, 2006, 04:31:18 PM
But that doesn't mean you can't change your mind and buy a Wii for cheap the next year though!
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 02, 2006, 04:58:40 PM
games aren't hardcore, it's the gamers.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 02, 2006, 05:04:39 PM
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Post by: JonLeung on August 02, 2006, 05:07:10 PM
It's not very hardcore to go with the flow of what everyone else your age group does and like Halo just for the sake of being cool.
Post by: Kairon on August 02, 2006, 05:53:28 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on August 02, 2006, 06:56:46 PM
Sony will, without question, out-advertise Nintendo
Sony is going to go all-out for this one, considering that they've placed all their eggs in the basket that is the PS3. To them, it's not a console but their most popular brand name they own which is going to be used to push their new proprietary media format into the marketplace. Sony is banking everything on the success of BluRay. Without question, they will out advertise Nintendo.
People on the fence will be tempted to buy the Wii
A lot of fans are angry at Sony for what they're doing right now, but they're willing to bite their lips and buy the damn thing for the promise of MGS and FF somewhere down the line.
As far as I'm concerned, these scorned fanboys are cash piñatas waiting to be whacked open by Nintendo. If they've set aside enough money that they could afford a PS3 AND games AND accessories, then the temptation to pick up a Wii with a pile of games will be immense, considering that they'll be able to buy so many more games for the Wii for the same amount of money.
And what isn't hardcore about the Wii? It'll be launching with two of the most renown hardcore franchises at the helm: Metroid and Zelda, the two franchises which were the responsible for selling the mainstay of GCs (and I mean the SW2K demo of Zelda as well). To accompany that, we have platforming from Rayman, an insanely innovative FPS from Red Steel, Madden with controls where you make gestures instead of pressing buttons and quite a few others including FF, DQ and Wario Ware, and there are PLENTY more in the coming months.
My prediction: after people try the Wii for FPSs, they'll likely find controller FPSs to be dated and clunky. The Wii will be the new hardcore console.
The Nintendo Virus
Since Nintendo's advertising has been inadequate, they've relied heavily upon word of mouth and trial to push their products into the market. Every additional day the Wii is out ahead of the PS3 is one more day that potential PS3 buyers will have to try the Wii and be swayed.
Nintendo won't beat Sony by out advertising them, but every additional Wii in the field is one more which will be busily converting potential buyers and spreading like a gospel. I've seen it happen with the DS and it will happen with the Wii.
The best advertising is always word of mouth and Nintendo's latest innovations definitely have that edge.
Post by: Kairon on August 02, 2006, 07:21:55 PM
*shrug*
Oh, and falafelkid is guessing Nov. 10 - 16 as the launch week.
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Post by: Ceric on August 02, 2006, 07:52:28 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 02, 2006, 07:53:44 PM
Post by: IceCold on August 02, 2006, 08:48:27 PM
QuoteBut I thought you said Nintendo didn't care about Sony? If so, they wouldn't be worried if someone has already bought their console, but is thinking of getting a PS3. That would be their second console theory..
By launching a month in advance it gives everyone plenty of time to be 'bored' of wii and get hyped about PS3 for christmas.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 02, 2006, 09:10:40 PM
In regards to "Hardcore" I've always viewed that term as now meaning "mainstream", a hardcore gamers seems to be a person that buys all the hot new games. I'm in the same boat as Ceric, I've been playing games for quite awhile, and now days I don't have enough time to put much into a game (though if you hand me a new Mario or Zelda game I will FIND it). Every generation I've gotten the major systems, and I don't plan this generation to be any different (i'm rebuying a Xbox 360 for Dead Rising soon). I would think that would classify me as a true "hardcore" gamer"
Post by: BigJim on August 03, 2006, 12:45:47 AM
Hardcore can also mean mainstream, but Nintendo's "everybody games" approach is to make all their games mainstream. Not everybody would call Mario or Nintendogs hardcore games, depending on what they think "hardcore" means. I wouldn't
What I meant by "hardcore" was the mature/western definition. Some people dismiss mature games as "immature" because they're "bloodfests" or whatever, but I consider games like Half Life 2 to be excellent. I know we can point to Red Steel, but there's no telling how that game will turn out yet in comparison, if it begins any trends, or how well the Wii will adopt those types of titles in the long term.
GameCube tanked in mature genres, for example, with only occasional token big releases. If Wii's long term lineup starts to look like GameCube's, then that is what I mean by hardcore gamers (by my definition) not being satisfied with just the Wii. They're not targetting the same players that 360 and PS3 are. So I don't think those players could expect a fully satisfactory lineup (to them) that'd convince them to switch outright. It is, afterall, supposed to be the second system.
Post by: JonLeung on August 03, 2006, 04:54:13 AM
But let's not confuse "second" with "second-place". There's a distinct difference. Nintendo will use their place as "second" to come in first-place.
(It reminds me of an old Archie comic where Betty, Veronica, and three other girls were in a beauty pageant with their boyfriends as the judges. They all gave their own girlfriend two points, but for the remaining one point they had to give out, they didn't want to give it to any other girl who they suspected would be getting two points from their boyfriend. So they gave their second place choice to Big Ethel, who, because she got everyone's extra point, ended up winning.)
As has been discussed umpteen times before, the logic that Nintendo fans would buy a Wii and that other console fans would also consider getting a Wii would make the Wii have the largest userbase. I would think that that would entice many game developers to make games of all genres on the Wii - and even though they aren't high-def, uber-powerful, etc., the variety (and the controller and other things like lower development costs may allow for more variety than ever before) will eventually ensure that most kinds of so-called "hardcore" games - whether you define that as being "mature", or certain genres like RPGs or FPSes, will eventually be made. Based on possible sales and number of games, think it'll stay "second" for long?
If your definition of "hardcore" is strictly about power and that's what you want, get a powerful PC, with video and audio output to your high-def TV and surround-sound setup. I could actually do that, I simply have to move my PC into the living room, but I'll stick with being hardcore by catching all the Pokémon, thank you very much.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 03, 2006, 05:55:41 AM
In this case, the Wii definitely wins. Once you've used the Wiimote to drive a sword into the chest of an enemy, pushing a button to do so just won't cut it (no pun intended).
If I wanted, I could happily laugh at fans of the other consoles, saying things like, "Oh, you still do that ghey button pushing sh*t?"
Post by: couchmonkey on August 03, 2006, 06:55:34 AM
I think that in that group, there may be many that prefer Wii to the other consoles. As a hardcore gamer myself, I think Nintendo's direction is far more interesting than Microsoft or Sony's. I want new types of games, and I'm willing to go the extra mile to buy games that are unique. So far I haven't seen much that counts as unique on Xbox 360 or PS3. The most unique game concept on Xbox 360 is probably one of the cheapo Live Arcade titles.
If the lineup starts looking like GameCube's, then Nintendo may have some trouble, but I think that's a big assumption. I can see the system continuing down Nintendo's old "family friendly path", which will probably disappoint certain hardcore factions, but at this early point it looks like the system might have a larger, more diverse lineup than the GameCube. In my opinion, that matters more than having mature games, but I'm "Nintendocore", so I'm biased.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 03, 2006, 10:08:22 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 03, 2006, 12:30:32 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
I still feel that mainstream applies to what is more commonly pushed or accepted in society, Nintendo is no longer a mainstream company, it is Sony and MS that have taken that crown. You will hear much more about a new Halo, GTA, Half-Life or God of War than any Nintendo game. Basically let's think of this as movies, are you really a hardcore movie goer if you basically only see the popular movies? No you aren't, you are going with the rest of the flow and not expanding your horizons.
Were we talking the GC, I'd agree, but the DS has completely turned that image around.
Nintendo has done a supreme job of placing the DS in hands which have never held a portable console before and likely never would. If they can do the same with the Wii, you better believe it will be far more mainstream than its competitors.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 03, 2006, 01:00:47 PM
I think Couchmonkey nailed it. Hardcore gamers don't necessarily play one particular style of game. It's a broad term used to define those who have a keen interest and knowledge of games. Or at least that's the good explanation.
I'v seen it used now as describing those who play a specific type of game. . . which is largely shooters and/or M rated games. Ghost Recon, Half Life, Halo or indeed, Grand Theft Auto.It seems to me like a simple misuse of a term. A truly hardcore gamer is musch more likely to be jumping from Ico to Zelda to Oblivion to Animal Crossing and to that same Ghost Recon game.
As far as the actual thread topic goes, I of course have no more clue than any of us but I will say that I believe late October to be the best time possible. I believe it'd almost be better to not launch a month or more before the PS3 because that gives enough time for hype to die down and for the PS3 to get a chance to dominate the community's thoughts.
I'm WalkingTheCow by the way. Been lurking for a long while.
Peace.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 03, 2006, 01:59:43 PM
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Originally posted by: WalkingTheCow
As far as the actual thread topic goes, I of course have no more clue than any of us but I will say that I believe late October to be the best time possible. I believe it'd almost be better to not launch a month or more before the PS3 because that gives enough time for hype to die down and for the PS3 to get a chance to dominate the community's thoughts.
What makes you say late Oct? (I agree that it would be a good time)
As for hype, the PS3 is going to be advertised like crazy.
Like I said, this is Sony's do or die console. Either they sell PS3s or Sony will have a questionable financial future, to put it lightly.
For that reason, I think launching the Wii ahead of the PS3 hype is a sound strategy. Like I also said, the Wii sells itself better through word of mouth and trial. Every Wii sold will be one more Wii out there swaying the family and friends to consider one for themselves.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 03, 2006, 03:17:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: VGrevolution
I still feel that mainstream applies to what is more commonly pushed or accepted in society, Nintendo is no longer a mainstream company, it is Sony and MS that have taken that crown. You will hear much more about a new Halo, GTA, Half-Life or God of War than any Nintendo game. Basically let's think of this as movies, are you really a hardcore movie goer if you basically only see the popular movies? No you aren't, you are going with the rest of the flow and not expanding your horizons.
Were we talking the GC, I'd agree, but the DS has completely turned that image around.
Nintendo has done a supreme job of placing the DS in hands which have never held a portable console before and likely never would. If they can do the same with the Wii, you better believe it will be far more mainstream than its competitors.
I am forced to agree, I was mainly referencing GC (and even N64 before it) since I tend to separate console images from handheld since they are different markets. When it comes to consoles the big games are still the ones I listed, but who knows, that may change with Wii!
Post by: IceCold on August 03, 2006, 03:31:53 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 03, 2006, 06:10:07 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 03, 2006, 08:44:46 PM
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Originally posted by: WalkingTheCow
Funny first post, I know.
I think Couchmonkey nailed it. Hardcore gamers don't necessarily play one particular style of game. It's a broad term used to define those who have a keen interest and knowledge of games. Or at least that's the good explanation.
I'v seen it used now as describing those who play a specific type of game. . . which is largely shooters and/or M rated games. Ghost Recon, Half Life, Halo or indeed, Grand Theft Auto.It seems to me like a simple misuse of a term. A truly hardcore gamer is musch more likely to be jumping from Ico to Zelda to Oblivion to Animal Crossing and to that same Ghost Recon game.
As far as the actual thread topic goes, I of course have no more clue than any of us but I will say that I believe late October to be the best time possible. I believe it'd almost be better to not launch a month or more before the PS3 because that gives enough time for hype to die down and for the PS3 to get a chance to dominate the community's thoughts.
I'm WalkingTheCow by the way. Been lurking for a long while.
Peace.
Go away no one likes you, hehe j/k. You made some good points, I have always always figured a hardcore gamer is someone that doesn't care about image or what is popular but plays a variety of things, as you stated! Hope to see you around.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on August 03, 2006, 09:37:44 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 03, 2006, 09:59:36 PM
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Post by: Darkheart on August 03, 2006, 10:33:32 PM
Post by: IceCold on August 03, 2006, 10:37:48 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 03, 2006, 10:52:48 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on August 04, 2006, 12:48:41 AM
>>Have you seen the wii? It's so small that if they did that, it would get lost and probably turn into a diamond. BUT! It would still download nightly updates through wiiconnect247. Would the PS3 do that? Doubt it.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 04, 2006, 04:24:08 AM
The boards just aren't as interesting without a "semi-villian" that people love to hate...and hate to love.
Post by: EasyCure on August 04, 2006, 10:34:16 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 04, 2006, 10:43:59 AM
Post by: vudu on August 04, 2006, 11:04:29 AM
QuoteNot even close. Ian you can usually understand the point he's trying to make (even if you don't agree with it). Nemo rambles on for a page and a half and shows you a bunch of weird sketches he drew (usually involving some sort of half-nude semi-erotic decrepit humanoid) and then you get bored before you were able to figure out what he was trying to say. Or is that just me?
Originally posted by: EasyCure
i thought nemo was the new ian.
Post by: EasyCure on August 04, 2006, 11:24:29 AM
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Originally posted by: vuduQuoteNot even close. Ian you can usually understand the point he's trying to make (even if you don't agree with it). Nemo rambles on for a page and a half and shows you a bunch of weird sketches he drew (usually involving some sort of half-nude semi-erotic decrepit humanoid) and then you get bored before you were able to figure out what he was trying to say. Or is that just me?
Originally posted by: EasyCure
i thought nemo was the new ian.
LOL i take it back, you're completely right
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 04, 2006, 08:08:23 PM
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Originally posted by: EasyCureQuote
Originally posted by: vuduQuoteNot even close. Ian you can usually understand the point he's trying to make (even if you don't agree with it). Nemo rambles on for a page and a half and shows you a bunch of weird sketches he drew (usually involving some sort of half-nude semi-erotic decrepit humanoid) and then you get bored before you were able to figure out what he was trying to say. Or is that just me?
Originally posted by: EasyCure
i thought nemo was the new ian.
LOL i take it back, you're completely right
You guys' shouldn't be picking on Nemo, that is just being a meany and a bully
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 05, 2006, 06:59:28 AM
Just like Bill wears all the pre-teen anime girl jokes.
(which may not be jokes.)
Post by: BlkPaladin on August 05, 2006, 04:16:45 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 05, 2006, 04:21:39 PM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution I am forced to agree, I was mainly referencing GC (and even N64 before it) since I tend to separate console images from handheld since they are different markets. When it comes to consoles the big games are still the ones I listed, but who knows, that may change with Wii!
I'm thinking it will. Even in the most basic of human interaction, the Wii wins.
Imagine a group of second grade boys talking about video games. What will get across better? Will some kid be able to tout the merits of HD, claiming that HDMI graphics are worth the extra investment because of the increased screen resolution, or is it more likely that a kid can say "You wave the controller like this and you actually stab the guys on screen!!!"
The Wii is better than the DS because the idea has already been around in the form of virtual realty. The DS needs to be explained. The Wii doesn't. You just say "I go like this and the hand holding the sword does the same." and people get it. You'd need to emphasize just what makes two screens, one of them a touch screen, such an advancement because I'm sure that most people aren't able to think of what makes the idea so great. Even I didn't have any immediate ideas when I heard about it.
The Wii on the other hand is just much easier to get the point across and even without the blue ocean which Nintendo seeks to acquire, I'm sure they'll capture much of the gaming audience, hardcore or otherwise.
Also, in case no one has noticed, Nintendo is getting an assload of games from 3rd parties, something which they haven't REALLY had since the SNES.
Without some colossal screw-up on their part, Nintendo has this generation in the bag.
Post by: BlkPaladin on August 05, 2006, 05:46:32 PM
Post by: JonLeung on August 08, 2006, 11:14:03 AM
Oops, I forgot about this topic and started another one...which was promptly locked. Sorry about that!
Here's where we're at today:
August 8, 2006
86 days until Nov. 2, 2006 (a possible launch date, says IGN)
96 days until Nov. 12, 2006 (a possible launch date, says IGN)
100 days until Nov. 16, 2006 (the last day before the PS3 launch)
101 days until Nov. 17, 2006 (PS3 launch day)
107 days until Nov. 23, 2006 (Thanksgiving (US))
139 days until Dec. 25, 2006 (Christmas)
145 days until Dec. 31, 2006 (New Year's Eve)
I thought I heard Nintendo insisting on launching before the PS3, if that is indeed true then it's 100 days or less as of today!
Post by: IceCold on August 08, 2006, 11:29:18 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 12:31:06 PM
Post by: JonLeung on August 08, 2006, 01:18:27 PM
I was thinking it would be neat to have "100 reasons to get a Wii" and have one each day before the launch - but even if we could think of that many, we still don't know the exact launch date. At this point, if it doesn't come soon, it's very likely that when we do get confirmation, it'll be less than 100 days from then until launch (even if you don't currently believe the "before-PS3" talk).
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 08, 2006, 01:21:30 PM
I think naming each launch lineup. Future potential games. The price, Special controller and such I think it can be done easily.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 01:26:59 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 08, 2006, 01:38:24 PM
Post by: IceCold on August 08, 2006, 01:47:19 PM
And Spak's right; a little over the mark won't matter. It could be on a first come first served basis - the first person to post it after 12am would get the reason for that day. Of course, it would have to be Mountain Time, since you (and I) live in that zone Make the thread!
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2006, 01:58:44 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 08, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
The first poster with a new reason gets that day. With a limit of 1 day per week for each user.
That user needs to write a his reason in a nice single paragraph form,
Then on Saturday or Sunday a PGC staffer can just edit, cut and past it into a story with this weeks reasons listed for all to read.
I think it would be a pretty cool feature that gets everyone involved, and could bring traffic to the PGC site.
Post by: Pale on August 08, 2006, 05:23:56 PM
Post by: Zach on August 08, 2006, 05:37:19 PM
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2006, 05:48:15 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 05:54:10 PM
But Pale will probably lock the 100 reasons thread and the threads above and below it out of spite.
Post by: JonLeung on August 08, 2006, 06:02:19 PM
We could think up a few reasons now (probably best to keep them to ourselves unless it comes up in normal discussion) and start in a week's time, when it's 100 days to American Thanksgiving. After all, Pale thinks it's a silly assumption to think Nintendo will launch the Wii necessarily before the PS3, but I don't think anyone thinks it could possibly be later than Thanksgiving. Then on the day of the announcement (didn't they say that sometime in September they would announce launch date and price?) we could have a bunch of reasons, not only to celebrate, but to catch up to the true amount of days.
Of the many reasons why I know I want a Wii, what should be #100? *thinks*
EDIT: Okay, here's one. Tell me if you think it's too wordy. (Notice I only mentioned the Super NES - to save the other four known game consoles for four other reasons later.)
#100: Super NES games on the Virtual Console
The Virtual Console allows for the download of classic video games from a number of different consoles. One of them is the Super NES. This 16-bit machine gave us much joy between 1991 and 1996, referred to some as the Golden Age of video games. Nintendo gave us some of the best games of their own big franchises, including Super Mario World, The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past, Super Metroid, Donkey Kong Country, Kirby: Super Star, EarthBound, and many more. Square-Enix had their best RPGs here too, including Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, Secret Of Mana, and Super Mario RPG: Legend Of The Seven Stars. We still don't know what games will actually be available on the Virtual Console, but we expect some of the best, and some of these games from the Super NES are among the best ever.
Post by: Ceric on August 08, 2006, 06:13:50 PM
I'm sure thats what there going to tell us at Leipzig. That will have to tied us over till the last day of September when they tell us the Launch date and price. Then we'll have to wait for are next news On the last day of October. Then We'll have Everything release with us knowing nothing about anything. The whole while there will be interview with Perrin Kaplan offending and demeaning all demographics till I crack and make a game that simply goes around doing mean things to her in the most creative forms possible. To make the game interesting I will strive to keep a Teen or Below ranking. Since I don't like profanities I'm half way their. For some reason I really don't like her and its rare when I find a person I just instantly dislike.
(Also the Wii itself can Dance!!!!)
Post by: Pale on August 08, 2006, 06:34:51 PM
I don't think a "100 reasons to get a Wii" topic necessarily has anything to do with the launch day and therefore shouldn't have people (including me) arguing about what day it is going to happen on.
Post by: UncleBob on August 08, 2006, 06:42:20 PM
I recently (about two weeks ago) transfered stores. My new store has a busted GameCube display (actually, when I took it out of the case and blew the tons of dust out of it, it seemed to work fine then, but by then I'd already ordered a new one) and since I do so love Nintendo, I went through the trouble of getting them a new one.
When I called and spoke to the guy on retail support, I tried to talk him into just shipping us a Wii display early. It didn't work. I asked if he had any idea when the Wii kiosks would be coming out and he said he didn't know, but "since it's going to come out in late October or early November, I'd say soon." Granted, that doesn't mean anything, but it's interesting.
Post by: Grant10k on August 08, 2006, 07:08:01 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 08, 2006, 09:19:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: UncleBob I asked if he had any idea when the Wii kiosks would be coming out and he said he didn't know, but "since it's going to come out in late October or early November, I'd say soon." Granted, that doesn't mean anything, but it's interesting.
You're my hero.
And yes, we DEFINITELY need some Wiiosks right about now...
Post by: Crimm on August 08, 2006, 10:19:02 PM
Post by: Griffin on August 08, 2006, 10:27:50 PM
Post by: JonLeung on August 09, 2006, 04:41:04 AM
85 days until Nov. 2, 2006 (a possible launch date, says IGN)
95 days until Nov. 12, 2006 (a possible launch date, says IGN)
99 days until Nov. 16, 2006 (the last day before the PS3 launch)
100 days until Nov. 17, 2006 (PS3 launch day)
106 days until Nov. 23, 2006 (Thanksgiving (US))
138 days until Dec. 25, 2006 (Christmas)
144 days until Dec. 31, 2006 (New Year's Eve)
It's now 100 days to the PS3 launch, for those of you who can afford it and think it's worth it - and don't fear launch unit problems.
As for the Wii, which is what this topic is about, we still don't know, and probably won't until September when Nintendo says they'll reveal it, but, hey, it's one day closer than it was yesterday!
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 04:47:02 AM
(Also, Yes my friends a PS3 can be yours for a mere $5.99 a day
)
Post by: Requiem on August 09, 2006, 04:50:58 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
August 9, 2006
85 days until Nov. 2, 2006 (a possible launch date, says IGN)
95 days until Nov. 12, 2006 (a possible launch date, says IGN)
99 days until Nov. 16, 2006 (the last day before the PS3 launch)
100 days until Nov. 17, 2006 (PS3 launch day)
106 days until Nov. 23, 2006 (Thanksgiving (US))
138 days until Dec. 25, 2006 (Christmas)
144 days until Dec. 31, 2006 (New Year's Eve)
It's now 100 days to the PS3 launch, for those of you who can afford it and think it's worth it - and don't fear launch unit problems.
As for the Wii, which is what this topic is about, we still don't know, and probably won't until September when Nintendo says they'll reveal it, but, hey, it's one day closer than it was yesterday!
Nintendo said they would release the launch date BY September, and not IN September. So we may know it sooner than you think. LGS?
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2006, 05:08:49 AM
Post by: JonLeung on August 10, 2006, 05:57:18 AM
84 days until Nov. 2, 2006 (a possible launch date, says IGN)
94 days until Nov. 12, 2006 (a possible launch date, says IGN)
98 days until Nov. 16, 2006 (the last day before the PS3 launch)
99 days until Nov. 17, 2006 (PS3 launch day)
105 days until Nov. 23, 2006 (Thanksgiving (US))
137 days until Dec. 25, 2006 (Christmas)
143 days until Dec. 31, 2006 (New Year's Eve)
Post by: vudu on August 10, 2006, 09:09:50 AM
Post by: Pale on August 10, 2006, 09:20:17 AM
Post by: decoyman on August 10, 2006, 10:07:01 AM
But is your "evidence" (that it's X years to the day after the GC launch) any more concrete than opinions from developers?
Unless.... you have evidence OTHER than just that. Spill it, man!
(And when I say "it" I mean "the beans" and when I say "the beans" I mean the "truth" and when I say the "truth" I mean THE REASON YOU'RE SO DANG CONFIDENT IN 11/19)
Post by: Ceric on August 10, 2006, 10:25:14 AM
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(And when I say "it" I mean "the beans" and when I say "the beans" I mean the "truth" and when I say the "truth" I mean THE REASON YOU'RE SO DANG CONFIDENT IN 11/19)
... and when I say "you're" I mean "you are" and when I say "You are" I mean "Pale is" and when I say "11/19" I mean "11/19/06" and when I say "11/19/06" I mean "November 19th, 2006" and when I say"November 19th, 2006" I mean "November 19th, 2006 for the launch date of the Wii" and when I say "launch date" I mean "the day of public availability" and when I say "Spill" I mean "tell me what" and when I say"Tell me what" I mean "Post me what" and when I say "Post me" I mean "Put into electronic form onto this forum" and when I say "man" well... actually thats just there for flavor. So the sentence
Quotereally expands out to be...
Spill it, man!
Quote
Put into electronic form onto this forum what the reason Pale is so dang confident in November 19th, 2006 for the day of public availibility of the Wii, man!
(Sorry, Decoyman I couldn't resist.)
Post by: JonLeung on August 10, 2006, 12:27:14 PM
Don't know if I'll post that every day but I might as well point that out tomorrow since Pale's so set on that date.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 10, 2006, 04:14:32 PM
What makes you so confident about the 19th? Have companies ever released software THAT early before a console's actual launch?
Post by: Pale on August 10, 2006, 07:15:15 PM
The only reason I'm so 'confident' of the 19th is because it amazes me how many people think there is no way Nintendo would launch after the PS3. I really think they don't care, and going by both the Gamecube and the DS, they will launch the sunday before thanksgiving.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 10, 2006, 07:41:43 PM
Post by: JonLeung on August 11, 2006, 04:43:30 AM
83 days until Nov. 2, 2006 (a possible launch date)
93 days until Nov. 12, 2006 (a possible launch date)
97 days until Nov. 16, 2006 (the last day before the PS3 launch)
98 days until Nov. 17, 2006 (PS3 launch day)
100 days until Nov. 19, 2006 (a possible launch date)
104 days until Nov. 23, 2006 (Thanksgiving (US))
136 days until Dec. 25, 2006 (Christmas)
142 days until Dec. 31, 2006 (New Year's Eve)
Well, it can't hurt much to add another line, so if Nintendo still really does want to launch the Sunday before Thanksgiving, then we only have another 100 days from today!
What happened to the "100 reasons to own a Wii" thing? I even kinda forgot about that. Surely after today it's really unlikely it'd be more than 100 days remaining, right?
Post by: Ceric on August 11, 2006, 05:07:03 AM
"High Resolution Daisy"
and I think we should Declare the November 19th launch to be the "Pale Launch".
Post by: decoyman on August 11, 2006, 05:09:35 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: CericQuote
(And when I say "it" I mean "the beans" and when I say "the beans" I mean the "truth" and when I say the "truth" I mean THE REASON YOU'RE SO DANG CONFIDENT IN 11/19)
... and when I say "you're" I mean "you are" and when I say "You are" I mean "Pale is" and when I say "11/19" I mean "11/19/06" and when I say "11/19/06" I mean "November 19th, 2006" and when I say"November 19th, 2006" I mean "November 19th, 2006 for the launch date of the Wii" and when I say "launch date" I mean "the day of public availability" and when I say "Spill" I mean "tell me what" and when I say"Tell me what" I mean "Post me what" and when I say "Post me" I mean "Put into electronic form onto this forum" and when I say "man" well... actually thats just there for flavor. So the sentenceQuotereally expands out to be...
Spill it, man!Quote
Put into electronic form onto this forum what the reason Pale is so dang confident in November 19th, 2006 for the day of public availibility of the Wii, man!
(Sorry, Decoyman I couldn't resist.)
:::EXPLOADE:::
Post by: Requiem on August 11, 2006, 06:18:16 AM
I feel like I have to take a sh!t....
Post by: BigJim on August 11, 2006, 06:19:52 AM
Post by: Pale on August 11, 2006, 07:04:03 AM
Post by: JonLeung on August 11, 2006, 07:05:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
To kick it off I will put the reason everyone here has been thinking.
"High Resolution Daisy"
That's a good reason.
Pro666 will buy two Wiis, then. One for the TV room, and one for the Daisy shrine in his bedroom.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 11, 2006, 08:58:30 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Pale The only reason I'm so 'confident' of the 19th is because it amazes me how many people think there is no way Nintendo would launch after the PS3. I really think they don't care, and going by both the Gamecube and the DS, they will launch the sunday before thanksgiving.
That's fair, but the primary reason I think it will be different this time is because the Wii isn't just another Nintendo console.
It's the entire hope for their future in the home console market. I don't know if they're so confident about it that they'd release it in the middle of the PS3 marketing blitz (it's Sony's biggest system to date so you know they'll do it), but the Wii, like the DS lite, is a word of mouth phenomenon.
The longer it's on the market, the more effective it'll be, and I think they'd want to use that strategy against potential PS3 owners.
But that's just my speculation and it could launch Dec 24th at midnight for all I know.
Post by: JonLeung on August 11, 2006, 09:08:21 AM
I'm sure there will be demo kiosks early enough to give people some time. But I think it's in Nintendo's best interest to release it as soon as it's ready, if it's to be big this holiday season.
Post by: Smash_Brother on August 11, 2006, 09:11:46 AM
They need to get those out to stores more than anything, since their mantra this whole time has always been "Playing is believing."
Post by: Ceric on August 11, 2006, 09:15:55 AM
Post by: JonLeung on August 15, 2006, 06:17:06 AM
79 days until Nov. 2, 2006 (a possible launch date)
89 days until Nov. 12, 2006 (a possible launch date)
93 days until Nov. 16, 2006 (the last day before the PS3 launch)
94 days until Nov. 17, 2006 (PS3 launch day)
96 days until Nov. 19, 2006 (a possible launch date)
100 days until Nov. 23, 2006 (Thanksgiving (US))
132 days until Dec. 25, 2006 (Christmas)
138 days until Dec. 31, 2006 (New Year's Eve)
Haven't posted this countdown (of sorts) in days, but I thought I would today, as it's 100 days to American Thanksgiving, meaning that it's extremely unlikely that it could be 100 days or more as of today!
Post by: Pale on August 15, 2006, 07:00:17 AM
Post by: Zach on August 15, 2006, 07:31:24 AM
Post by: Neodymium on August 15, 2006, 07:42:04 AM
Post by: Zach on August 15, 2006, 07:54:11 AM
Post by: JonLeung on August 20, 2006, 05:37:55 PM
I think IGN hinted that Twilight Princess would come out in October, which also hints at a Wii release date in October (since it's been said they'd be the same day). I think some store put the Wii's release down as October 26 (a Sunday, if that matters), though another store put its release down as Nov. 17 (same day as the PS3). They're all probably guessing as well...but I'm sure SOMEBODY out there knows SOMETHING.
I'd still bet on early November, but I wouldn't bet very much.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 20, 2006, 05:43:46 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
I probably should provide links but lately I've been hearing people bring up the late October thing again. Maybe they're just being hopeful?
I think IGN hinted that Twilight Princess would come out in October, which also hints at a Wii release date in October (since it's been said they'd be the same day). I think some store put the Wii's release down as October 26 (a Sunday, if that matters), though another store put its release down as Nov. 17 (same day as the PS3). They're all probably guessing as well...but I'm sure SOMEBODY out there knows SOMETHING.
I'd still bet on early November, but I wouldn't bet very much.
What I would do if I were Nintendo is to have a launch late October, maybe a relatively small launch in the US of 400-600k, then on PS3's launch date have the second shipment out to the stores. That way Nintendo not only gets the people that are excited for Wii's launch but also those who can't get a PS3 because it is sold out but instead pick up a Wii.
Post by: AnyoneEB on August 20, 2006, 08:26:21 PM
Seriously, I am expecting a November launch. October just seems too soon, and I would not be surprised if Pale's intutition was right.
Post by: JonLeung on August 21, 2006, 05:04:01 AM
Post by: Ceric on August 21, 2006, 08:47:29 AM
Post by: JonLeung on August 22, 2006, 09:59:47 AM
72 days until Nov. 2, 2006 (a possible launch date)
82 days until Nov. 12, 2006 (a possible launch date)
86 days until Nov. 16, 2006 (the last day before the PS3 launch)
87 days until Nov. 17, 2006 (PS3 launch day)
89 days until Nov. 19, 2006 (a possible launch date)
93 days until Nov. 23, 2006 (Thanksgiving (US))
125 days until Dec. 25, 2006 (Christmas)
131 days until Dec. 31, 2006 (New Year's Eve)
For those of you waiting to get it for Christmas, you know that you have 125 days left to go as of today! That's, like, only four more months!
Hey, at least you know how many days you have left.
Post by: stevey on August 22, 2006, 11:50:25 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 22, 2006, 01:52:31 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 22, 2006, 02:06:49 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: UniversalJuan on August 30, 2006, 09:37:40 PM
Price: 199.99
Contents - Wii Console, Remote, Nunchuku, Classic Controller, a set of "Nintendo Coins" for use in the Virtual Console, and WiiSports.
Stretch Possibility pack-in - Demo disc featuring Smash Bros E3 video, playable MEtroid, Playable Wairo, SMGalaxy Video, Zelda Movie (Doubt playable here), 2-4 more videos and about 2 or 3 3rd party payables. (But the demo disc is strictly a stretch)
Lastly, the Wii will be available in 2 colors to focus on mass production. A very shiny Black (to be named as Charcoal, or somehting similar) and a plastic covered like-Wite (To be named Diamond). Those color re-names are compelte guesses, but those will be the colors.
Post by: Strell on August 30, 2006, 09:40:28 PM
But you've got to remove the Classic Controller and WiiSports.
The Coin idea is a stretch, personally, but I see it happening to some degree.
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2006, 09:41:23 PM
Post by: Strell on August 30, 2006, 09:43:54 PM
Or Friend and Enemy.
Then they could pull off that "Wii could be friends" or "Wii could be enemies" thing someone suggested a while back during commercial slogan possibilities.
Post by: BigJim on August 30, 2006, 11:44:30 PM
I say we call them Lenny and Carl.
Post by: Ceric on August 31, 2006, 08:52:48 AM
I wear mostly White and I'm White. Therefore I'm evil incarnated.
Bow to me for I am your lord and Master.
Also I want a burrito Minions. :P
Post by: JonLeung on August 31, 2006, 09:05:52 AM
(And on that note, Nintendo Power better give out Wii demo discs soon if they want me to continuing subscribing! I said that the year the GameCube came out and the only reason I resubscribed was for the Zelda Collectors Disc (and then the Metroid Prime 2 demo disc, which wasn't that great, and then the Animal Crossing: Wild World Player's Guide).)
EDIT: Funny thing is, just now, I read on GoNintendo about a Zelda DVD packed with the latest issue of the European Nintendo magazine. Too bad it doesn't sound like it has much. I think they should make a 20th anniversary DVD for next year that actually has lots of good stuff in it.
Back on topic, I want Wii demo discs. Everywhere. So that people who buy a Wii because of initial hype will still be interested in the many ways to play future games.
Post by: Caliban on August 31, 2006, 01:04:50 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 31, 2006, 01:31:33 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Ceric on August 31, 2006, 06:08:34 PM
Post by: capamerica on September 01, 2006, 03:29:17 AM
I trust this person a great deal so I know she won't lie to me.
But I don't trust the people who give GameStop their info that much.
Post by: Pale on September 01, 2006, 04:42:38 AM
I dunno. I don't see them pulling a surprise launch with this. We know we probably aren't going to see the offical date until September 14th...
Post by: capamerica on September 01, 2006, 05:01:46 AM
And do we really need to know about the release date and price more then a month in advance? Heck Apple is able to sell out of new versions of Macbooks and iPods with in a week of announcing/releasing them.
Post by: Pale on September 01, 2006, 05:07:26 AM
Post by: UniversalJuan on September 01, 2006, 09:31:06 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: capamerica
I friend who works at GameStop just told me that at the manager meeting they were told that the Wii will be coming out Oct 2nd and will retail for $175.
I trust this person a great deal so I know she won't lie to me.
But I don't trust the people who give GameStop their info that much.
I work at GameStop as well. Senior Game advisor here in KC. It was my understanding that the manager's conference (The big manager's meeting...damn I want to go to one! It's what E3 is going to ebcome, except strictly for managers) doesn't even happen until October. 174.99 would be one hell of a strange pricepoint to see. Oct 2nd is even more strange due to Nintendo's Sunday launch tradition, noteable exception being the two new DS Lite color launch though I wonder if that counts. I'd take that friend's quote with a big grain of salt because I ahven't heard anything of the sort personally (Furthermore, my manager hasn't attended any meetings lately).
Post by: JonLeung on September 01, 2006, 09:44:54 AM
No, seriously, I don't see what's so odd about a $174.99 price point.
Post by: capamerica on September 01, 2006, 09:48:36 AM
I've heard to much bad info from the 'higher ups' at gamestop to uses them as a trust worthy source. Some times they do get it right, its just after hearing BS info one to many times that you don't even trust them when they are saying something true.
But again as I said I trust her, so thats why I figured I would say something.
She works at a Gamestop here in NH do they maybe have a differnt manager meeting in the New England area or are their smaller ones that happen more offten?
Post by: UniversalJuan on September 01, 2006, 12:24:45 PM
Post by: wandering on September 01, 2006, 06:58:27 PM
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[GameSpot]: What about the Wii itself? Do you know when that will go on sale?
[Sean Spector, co-founder of Gamefly:] We heard it could be sooner. It takes a little bit of time to build up a really cohesive marketing campaign. So I don't think it's coming out next week. But it could come out in October, or it could come out at the end of September.
I really shouldn't be hyping myself for an october launch, but dang if it isn't hard.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 01, 2006, 07:22:49 PM
Post by: wandering on September 01, 2006, 07:30:36 PM
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on September 01, 2006, 07:50:24 PM
I'm hoping it's in October and not November, if only for the fact that I'd rather have it sooner than later.
Post by: King of Twitch on September 01, 2006, 09:20:13 PM
I'm wondering if they're waiting out a potential 360 price cut announcement before they announce the final price? It's a long shot, but they've been caught with their pants down before.
Post by: Strell on September 02, 2006, 11:57:08 AM
They disintegrate from his magnificence long before he actually gets near them.
Post by: MaryJane on September 02, 2006, 03:33:46 PM
Why you ask?
Because I said it is.
Post by: Michael8983 on September 02, 2006, 10:26:01 PM
No, seriously, I'm quite sure it will be within the first week of November if not the last week of October.
Post by: Ceric on September 03, 2006, 06:43:02 PM
Dodge that.
Anyways. You know if Reggie was like the Kool-aid man and not Mr. Rogers...
I would like to state this here.
THERE IS NO 360 PRICE CUT. <-(period)
Microsoft is very happy with the price is at at the moment and states time and time again that it will not be dropping the price anytime in the near future.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 04, 2006, 11:39:30 PM
Obviouslly this isn't conclusive at all. But historically, I believe the recent Tony Hawk games have had universal launch dates across platforms and DJ is supposed to be a launch title for Wii. . . It seems highly possible then that Oct. 24th could be Wii's launch day. Again, though, I'm quite aware that it's far from conclusive.
Good for speculation though.
OMG!!!!1 WII ON TEH 24TH 4 REALZ 4 SUR3 MEGATON!!!
Post by: Pale on September 05, 2006, 04:25:33 AM
They could easily pick a date for the game, find out that Wii won't be out by then, and hold back just the Wii version. Delaying all versions just so they launch at the same time would be silly.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on September 05, 2006, 08:32:31 AM
Of course it's very possible you're right. Just getting all the possibilities out there.
Post by: JonLeung on September 05, 2006, 09:39:13 AM
Remember when it was 100 days 'til then? See, we're already a quarter way there (from back then)! Or at least approximately. If it's sooner than mid-to-late November, even better.
Post by: jasonditz on September 06, 2006, 07:09:37 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 06, 2006, 07:13:52 PM
EDIT:
I wish Nintendo would just plan their events by what we say Reggie should do. Seriously, Reggie should be like:
"At the press conference I should enter by busting down a fake wall, screaming MASSIVE DAMAGE!!!"
"But why?"
Reggie: "Because the internet nerds think I am like god or something."
Post by: Ceric on September 06, 2006, 07:26:23 PM
Post by: Strell on September 06, 2006, 07:57:57 PM
Reggie would never say that. He would merely confirm that he is a god, not like one.
Post by: Louieturkey on September 06, 2006, 08:53:39 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 07, 2006, 05:14:17 AM
November 2nd for Japan
November 12th for U.S.
December 3rd for Europe + Australia.
Post by: trip1eX on September 07, 2006, 05:39:35 AM
Post by: JonLeung on September 07, 2006, 08:27:35 AM
Barring some early release surprise, that sounds most logical to me.
That's two days before my brother's birthday, one day before the girl I like's birthday, a rumoured date according to IGN, a Sunday, it's before the PS3 launch, it's before American Thanksgiving, and it's only 66 days away now...
Post by: Captain Z on September 08, 2006, 03:21:34 PM
DS Lite - June 11th, 2006
GameBoy Micro - Oct. 2nd, 2005
DS - Nov. 21st, 2004
GameBoy Adv. SP - Mar. 23rd, 2003
GameCube - Nov. 18th, 2001
Keeping that in mind, while I think it's possible that the Wii launch could be in October, I find it unlikely. If it is in October, it'll be at the very end, probably October 29th. A much more likely scenerio seems like a November 5th or 12th launch.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2006, 02:50:09 PM
(You have been informed. Save your money and plan your vacations accordingly!)
*somewhere has a double meaning but it's still true, how many times have I been wrong in the past...
Post by: Blue Plant on September 12, 2006, 02:58:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Nile Boogie: The Wii will launch*somewhere* between the 24th and the 25th of September. Believe with extreme confidence!
Somewhere between September 24th 2006 and September 25th 2007? :D
Post by: Ceric on September 12, 2006, 03:19:35 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2006, 04:15:36 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2006, 04:35:33 PM
I'm so sure that I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is! If the Nintendo W¡¡™ doesn't launch "somewhere" between September 24th and September 25th, 2006 I will buy 1 launch title or 2 DS titles for anyone who dares to take my challenge (up to 2 people, I'm not rich).
Nile Boogie
P.o. Box 56329
PHILADELPHIA, PENN. 19130
215-474-1000
WHO'S READY TO CHANGE?™
Post by: JonLeung on September 12, 2006, 04:48:23 PM
QuoteWhy are the Is in your "Wii" lower? Subscript or whatever?
Originally posted by: Nile Boogie
I'm about to go all in...
I'm so sure that I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is! If the Nintendo W¡¡™ doesn't launch "somewhere" between September 24th and September 25th, 2006 I will buy 1 launch title or 2 DS titles for anyone who dares to take my challenge (up to 2 people, I'm not rich).
Does the Wii =/= W¡¡?
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2006, 04:57:52 PM
Why are the Is in your "Wii" lower? Subscript or whatever?
Does the Wii =/= W¡¡?
Because I'm stupid!
Post by: stevey on September 12, 2006, 05:00:31 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 12, 2006, 05:13:15 PM
You didn't put a specific date on September 24th 2006...so you could say that meant 2007 but unlikely.
Launch could mean boot up. Is there a trade show on the 24th or 25th with playable Wii games...perhaps TGS?
Somewhere could also just mean anywhere. And you could argue that someone in Nintendo/Media/developers will have fully functional Wiis by September 24th and in that regard it has launched...somewhere.
Which one of these is it?
Post by: Pale on September 12, 2006, 05:18:51 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2006, 05:19:10 PM
None of those are correct. You, and I'm talking to you directly, will be playing the Nintendo W¡¡™, sometime between thoses dates, this year. Unless of course you are incapable of such i.e: sick, broke, in school, grouned etc...
Post by: JonLeung on September 12, 2006, 05:28:51 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Pale
I still think it's going to be November 19th.
I say 12th.
Pale, if the Wii comes out earlier than you predict, will you still pick one up no earlier than the 19th because you're that adamant about it? :P
Post by: IceCold on September 12, 2006, 05:56:49 PM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on September 12, 2006, 06:11:08 PM
Post by: JonLeung on September 12, 2006, 06:11:09 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
Remember our deal; if it launches before I get to change your title!
Huh? What would you change it to?
I want a cool title. Maybe something like "unlike a mad woman's breakfast around the TV" or something.
GO Nov. 12th! We should set up one of those gambling thingies. A pool or whatever. Yeah.
Post by: IceCold on September 12, 2006, 06:29:56 PM
QuoteReally? I can't see the relation; I quite like Nile and his crazy upside down opticla mouse-type ideas; at least he doesn't take himself as seriously as nemo..
Originally posted by: SgtShiversBen
Nile Boogie's starting to remind me of Nemo for some strange reason...
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2006, 06:45:03 PM
9/24-25/2006 Believe!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 12, 2006, 06:59:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Nile Boogie
Spak-Spang:
None of those are correct. You, and I'm talking to you directly, will be playing the Nintendo W¡¡™, sometime between thoses dates, this year. Unless of course you are incapable of such i.e: sick, broke, in school, grouned etc...
Then what is the double meaning in "somewhere"
With this statement, I believe you could be talking about Wii demo units. If I was in school, I wouldn't go to the store and find them...if I was broke I could not drive, and if I was sick I wouldn't leave the house.
Grounded...I think not unless my wife gets a hold of me.
Hmm...I am still trying to figure out the riddle. NOBODY knows the actual launch date...or rather nobody who knows would talk without getting in huge trouble.
So it leaves again riddle, speculation, or deceit.
I am a trusting person, so I won't call foul.
Speculation perhaps. There are tons of stories that present a sooner release than not...but September is absurd...nobody has predicted those times.
Now I am leaning towards demo kiosks as the riddle.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2006, 07:18:27 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 12, 2006, 07:28:50 PM
Could you use a synonym for "somewhere" that keeps the double meaning?
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2006, 07:31:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
So question. Will you and I being playing the Nintendo Wii "somewhere" between September 24th and 25th in our own individual homes?
Could you use a synonym for "somewhere" that keeps the double meaning?
Definite Maybe.
"Somewhere" = Earth
Post by: blackfootsteps on September 12, 2006, 07:33:14 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung
NOVEMBER 12TH, 2006.
Barring some early release surprise, that sounds most logical to me.
That's two days before my brother's birthday, one day before the girl I like's birthday, a rumoured date according to IGN, a Sunday, it's before the PS3 launch, it's before American Thanksgiving, and it's only 66 days away now...
Yeah, I'll go with this. Why? Coz it's my birthday!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 13, 2006, 04:24:00 AM
Nile...I can't figure your game out...so I quit...tommorrow is just a day away anyway.
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 13, 2006, 09:41:03 AM
If they don't reveal price and launch tomorrow, I'm going to kill someone.
Post by: JonLeung on September 13, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
Oh, wait, we're playing Stamina Mode? o_0 *runs*
But again, I stress...the revelation of the release date doesn't make it any closer or farther. It just tells you in advance which day to cancel all your other priorities.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 13, 2006, 11:16:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
In the words of Inigo Montoya, I hate waiting.
If they don't reveal price and launch tomorrow, I'm going to kill someone.
Where have you been hiding SMash? Haven't seen any of your posts for awhile!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 13, 2006, 11:41:04 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Where have you been hiding SMash? Haven't seen any of your posts for awhile!
I've been dropping in on occasion, but WoW has been eating a lot of my time lately.
I want to know the release date because I want to be sure that the Wii will arrive before WoW's expansion pack (which releases on Nov. 26th, I believe).
I'm just playing WoW because it beats sitting around waiting for the Wii to be released, and come tomorrow, we should know when that'll happen.
Post by: JonLeung on September 14, 2006, 09:15:20 AM
So the question is:
Wii or WoW?
Post by: Plugabugz on September 14, 2006, 10:44:23 AM
If that is true then tins of tuna around the world will spin in an anti-clockwise fashion while they dispense their dislike with a hydrogenated oven.
Or, i will be very unhappy.
Post by: Plugabugz on September 14, 2006, 10:46:06 AM
Post by: ThePerm on September 14, 2006, 11:41:10 AM
Post by: IceCold on September 14, 2006, 03:39:05 PM
Post by: Pale on September 15, 2006, 08:03:37 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 18, 2006, 06:59:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Nile BoogieQuote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
So question. Will you and I being playing the Nintendo Wii "somewhere" between September 24th and 25th in our own individual homes?
Could you use a synonym for "somewhere" that keeps the double meaning?
Definite Maybe.
"Somewhere" = Earth
Ok, so now we know the launch date is the 19th of November...what was your little riddle?
And Bravo Pale. Surely you are a god among Nintendo fans.
