Post by: JonLeung on June 20, 2006, 09:48:23 AM
Remember the mid-eighties? People said they "played Nintendo". It was pretty much the way to say you were playing video games (though maybe because at their peak they had like 90% of the game market so there was a 90% chance that you were playing on the NES anyway).
People also said they were "playing Sega" but no one ever says they're "playing Sony" or "playing Microsoft". Maybe because Sony and Microsoft have other products but Nintendo is still nearly entirely games so I see no harm in still saying that someone is "playing Nintendo".
If Nintendo's not reffering to it with "Nintendo" in its name, do they expect us to be saying "I'm playing with my Wii" / "I'm playing Wii" / "I'm playing Wii games"?
I remember having to write an apology in Grade 1 (that's "first grade" to you Americans) for overusage of the word "poop". I bet some kids are going to get in trouble in elementary for saying "I'm going home to play with my Wii" even if they weren't even trying to be funny by being "innuendish".
Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I'm thinking about this now. It's not like the name is new. Maybe I just missed it when people said "playing Nintendo" and it only just dawned on me that even Nintendo doesn't want that now.
Post by: EasyCure on June 20, 2006, 10:13:31 AM
"oh, he's been upstairs in his room playing with his Wii for over an hour now"
"what!??!"
"that boy sure does have some energy. the few times we do get get his hands off of his Wii he complains his arms are tired but that doesnt keep him from locking himself up in his room and playing with it for another few hours"
"and you find this acceptable?"
"sure, why not? i already told him he can play with his Wii a little before dinner and before bed if he's done all his chores. sometimes i catch him playing with it in the morning before school."
(a week later after moving the Wii downstairs into the family room)
"oh hello dear, say hello to our guests"
"hello everyone, to what do i owe this pleasure?"
"oh well everyone wanted to come see our little johnny play with his Wii"
"...."
"yes, your son and his wii are very entertaining indeed. we could watch him play with his Wii for hours on end"
"yes, some of us even joined in and played with him. we felt a little silly at first but there is just something about
getting it in your hands that compells you to just let go and have some fun"
"i want a divorce, you're all sick"
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 20, 2006, 10:30:00 AM
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
"honey, where is little johnny?"
"oh, he's been upstairs in his room playing with his Wii for over an hour now"
"what!??!"
"that boy sure does have some energy. the few times we do get get his hands off of his Wii he complains his arms are tired but that doesnt keep him from locking himself up in his room and playing with it for another few hours"
"and you find this acceptable?"
"sure, why not? i already told him he can play with his Wii a little before dinner and before bed if he's done all his chores. sometimes i catch him playing with it in the morning before school."
(a week later after moving the Wii downstairs into the family room)
"oh hello dear, say hello to our guests"
"hello everyone, to what do i owe this pleasure?"
"oh well everyone wanted to come see our little johnny play with his Wii"
"...."
"yes, your son and his wii are very entertaining indeed. we could watch him play with his Wii for hours on end"
"yes, some of us even joined in and played with him. we felt a little silly at first but there is just something about
getting it in your hands that compells you to just let go and have some fun"
"i want a divorce, you're all sick"
Wow, haven't heard jokes like that before. And you even said "we" that sounds like "wiiwii" giggles, you are so funny.
Post by: wandering on June 20, 2006, 10:36:11 AM
Seriously, though, here's the thing. It's not "playing with my wii." It's "playing wii"...which, at worst, will just sound kind of random to the odd person who doesn't know what a Wii is.
Post by: Requiem on June 20, 2006, 10:55:32 AM
Post by: mantidor on June 20, 2006, 11:04:09 AM
EDIT:
I always say "Im going to play with my GC", "Im going to play with my DS", and I see that phrases used plenty both in english and spanish.
Post by: willie1234 on June 20, 2006, 11:21:17 AM
but maybe it's because I'm not so possesive.
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 20, 2006, 12:04:00 PM
I never say "my Gamecube" or play "with my Gamecube". That sounds dumb. It's just let's play Gamecube, let's play Wii.
Closest I get is "Be sure to bring your Gamecube when you come."
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 20, 2006, 01:01:08 PM
Quotesame here, at least to me it always has been play Nintendo/videogames/whatever, the "with my" in there sound pretty odd....
Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I just say "Do you want to play Gamecube?" or in some instances, "Do you want to play video games (/Nintendo)?"
I never say "my Gamecube" or play "with my Gamecube". That sounds dumb. It's just let's play Gamecube, let's play Wii.
Closest I get is "Be sure to bring your Gamecube when you come."
Post by: Fierce_LiNk on June 20, 2006, 01:25:29 PM
Post by: wandering on June 20, 2006, 01:31:14 PM
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That comic strip is halarious!
Thanks, I made it myself!
Post by: Ceric on June 20, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 20, 2006, 08:29:32 PM
Awesome system, but the name sucks. Why try to replace a personal pronoun in the english language when there are millions of other combinations? Bii, Fii, Dii, whatever...
Still hoping Nintendo reveals that "Wii" is short for "Wireless Interactive Innovation" which makes it sound new and hi-tech instead of like whoever is saying it doesn't have their pronouns straight.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on June 20, 2006, 10:26:02 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Actually, what I think most people will be saying is "Want to play some Brawl?"Quote
That comic strip is halarious!
Thanks, I made it myself!
Can I borrow it, I want to use it in my Sig on GS's SW forum
Post by: mantidor on June 21, 2006, 06:12:10 AM
Post by: EasyCure on June 21, 2006, 06:39:12 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
Wow, haven't heard jokes like that before. And you even said "we" that sounds like "wiiwii" giggles, you are so funny.
maybe you missed the point. i wasn't trying to make fun of the name, but make fun of the situations similar to the one i wrote. i figured most everyone would be used to the name by now, so a thread like this is actually just plain silly. there havent been any Wii = penis/urine on this forum in a while and i wasn't trying to bring them back, i was merely using such bizarre examples in order to satire the situation.
by the time Wii does release come this fall, i doubt anyone but actual five year olds would be the ones giggling at "wiiwii" jokes. grow up.
Post by: SixthAngel on June 21, 2006, 07:39:38 AM
Post by: JonLeung on June 21, 2006, 07:57:43 AM
It makes sense, as people refer to the Xboxes and PlayStations not by their company names. But the Nintendo name is its strength.
I guess if they launched the DS without any connection to the strong "Game Boy" brand, they can phase out the "Nintendo" name from its consoles. You can't say "Nintendo Entertainment System" / "Super Nintendo Entertainment System" / "Nintendo 64" without "Nintendo", but you can refer to it as the "GameCube" and apparently moreso "Wii" without necessarily saying "Nintendo".
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 21, 2006, 09:06:07 AM
Quotemoor liek wireless interactive gimmick
Originally posted by: mantidor
oh, wireless interactive innovation, I like that acronym.
amIrite?
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 21, 2006, 10:42:31 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
oh, wireless interactive innovation, I like that acronym.
I'd imagine the commercials for it would display the whole sentence "Wireless Interactive Innovation", and then it would condense the words together to just say "Wii".
It works on many levels, first because it sounds hi-tech and second because it dodges the stigma that a video game system would have for many non-gamers.
They won't buy a Nintendo console for LoZ and MP3, but they might by a device which promises wireless interactive innovation such as painting with Bob Ross or cooking or playing virtual tennis or virtual musical instruments.
If Nintendo wants the non-gamer market, they'll have to dress the console up as something other than a gaming system and give potential buyers a compelling reason to own it. Dressing it up as virtual reality might do just that.
Also, attempting to explain the name in a conversation would be 1,000x easier. Rather than trying to explain how Nintendo wanted to go for something daring and weird, you can simply say, "Yeah, Wii, spelled w-i-i, wireless interactive innovation." and everyone is immediately on the same page.
Post by: EasyCure on June 21, 2006, 11:30:07 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 21, 2006, 11:39:24 AM
Sorting through audio and video clips to use for the game.
It wasn't going to be like a true painting simulation.
and I believe it had a very, very small team working on it.
I just have a feeling this game isn't going to be what we desire it to be.
I was hoping for a nice simple paint simulator that used the Wiipointer's depth perception to detect pressure applied on the paint brush for painting.
Then online play would allow you to create your own gallaries and share your paintings with the WiiCulture. But alas it doesn't seem to be heading in that direction.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 22, 2006, 08:56:06 AM
If done right, it would be an insanely strong pull for non-gamers to own a Wii.
Post by: Requiem on June 22, 2006, 09:06:55 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 22, 2006, 09:32:12 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem If Nintendo were going to do such a thing (and they should!), I'd expect them to NOT fund the game but instead make Mario Paint.
Wouldn't work, though.
Mario is a gaming icon. Bob Ross is an actual painting icon, giving artists and casual painters alike a real reason to consider the Wii.
No offense to Mario Paint, but non-gamers will not take Mario Paint seriously. Bob Ross, on the other hand, with a commercial which includes a demonstration of how the Wiimote can be used to paint on screen, could definitely convince some non-gamers that the Wii is more than an outlet for violent teenagers or a children's toy.
Post by: JonLeung on June 22, 2006, 10:40:37 AM
They could make two painting games...Mario Paint is about animation, really. They have Sudoku in both Brain Age and Sudoku Gridmaster, both for the DS...so why not two Wii painting games? Mario and Bob Ross are different enough, moreso than Sudoku is to itself.
Post by: Ceric on June 22, 2006, 10:49:50 AM
Post by: Requiem on June 22, 2006, 01:54:52 PM
Also, Nintendo doesn't have to show either Bob Ross or Mario to sell a painting game. If you show any person demostrating how to paint, and show both the complexity and simplicity of the game; that's really all you need. The idea is solid enough.
Just like the Drums demo (which is amazingly cool).
Post by: EasyCure on June 22, 2006, 02:12:22 PM
someone who bought wii with wiiSports would later pick up a bob ross game for all the points you made, but more realistically there are too many gamers out there that have played mario paint and have been waiting a sequel (especially those of us that didnt get to play the 64 game) who would drool over it.
i feel as if the two games could only coexist if they were drastically different: if mario paint went the route it took with the 64DD games and a bob ross game stayed true to what bob ross does (did)
bob ross only painted landscapes (with happy trees!), not portraits or still lifes (atleast not to my knowledge...) so having him do that wouldnt be bob ross at all. i'd expect there to be two styles of play. one would be just like watching the show, in which bob would be painting a landscape and you as the viewer at home could follow along using his tips and recreate his painting. you could be scored for accuracy and maybe like brain age, show you how much you've progresed over time as you get used to using the Wiimote as a virtual brush. such a mode could be played, like someone else said, in two screens; one with bob ross and one where your canvas is, or even have a picture-in-picture type screen where a thumbnail of bob ross painting would be, getting close ups on the parts of the painting he's doing to help you get more detail into yours.
with mario paint, its established as a painting/composing/animating software so it wouldnt feel out of place to do those sort of things, hence a bigger game. bob ross would have to be a "touch generations" type title that would be $20-$30 because there isn't as much you could do. online features would be nice, like the art gallery on wiiCulture mentioned earlier. you could even 'auction' off some of your works, that coudl apeal to the non gamer crowd as well as gamers.
mario paint already has an established market though and it would be hard to topple if the two games co-existed at the same time, especially if both were devoloped by nintendo. leave the bob ross game for someone else, then down the line release a mario paint game. its the only way to go (IMO)
oh and dont get me started on a drum game ;-)
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 23, 2006, 09:22:49 AM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung They could make two painting games...Mario Paint is about animation, really. They have Sudoku in both Brain Age and Sudoku Gridmaster, both for the DS...so why not two Wii painting games? Mario and Bob Ross are different enough, moreso than Sudoku is to itself.
That would be ideal, but the point is that the NON-gamer likely won't pick up any piece of software which starts with "Mario".
I don't care how good Mario Paint is, average housewife/aspiring artist X is not going to buy something with Mario on the cover. Nintendo wouldn't have to make such a huge goddamn stink about targeting non-gamers if non-gamers all bought Mario games.
Bob Ross is a painting icon. I don't follow painting at all and even I know who the f*cker is (he's also commonly referred to as "Afro Man" in some circles) and his "Happy Trees" quote is also well known to the extent that most people will know exactly whom you're referring to upon mentioning it.
There's no reason Nintendo cannot make both, but let's not have any illusions about the fact that Mario Paint, no matter how good it may be, will not appeal to the non-gamer Nintendo is trying so desperately to attract.
Post by: wandering on June 25, 2006, 08:17:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Avinash_TyagiQuote
Originally posted by: wandering
Actually, what I think most people will be saying is "Want to play some Brawl?"Quote
That comic strip is halarious!
Thanks, I made it myself!
Can I borrow it, I want to use it in my Sig on GS's SW forum
Sure. here's a slightly sig friendlier version. Sorry for the late reply.
edit: but after looking over that forum, perhaps the bigger one would be better after all.
