Post by: ThePerm on May 30, 2006, 03:17:15 PM
lets look at previous exclusive lineups
16 bit era
Mario World/Sonic
Donkey Kong Country/Vector man
Final Fantasy/Shining Force
Zelda/Golden Axe
Stree Fighter 2(limited tiem exclusivity)/Mortal Kombat(a better version)
32 bit Era
Mario/Crash/Nights
Castlevania 64/Metal Gear Solid
Zelda/Final Fantasy
Turok/Tomb Raider
Goldeneye/Resident Evil
128 bit era(not really)
Mario/Jak and Dakster/ Ninja Gaiden
Resident Evil/Silent Hill
Zelda/Final Fantasy(main series)/Halo
Post by: IceCold on May 30, 2006, 05:49:50 PM
Post by: mantidor on May 30, 2006, 05:54:02 PM
Post by: Arbok on May 30, 2006, 06:06:29 PM
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...but lets take for instance Virtual Fighter 5 on playstation 3..whats the point of making it exclusived if it does nothing to help the system anyways?
Sega is about as brain dead as they come anyway, so don't lose sleep over it.
Post by: IceCold on May 30, 2006, 06:38:22 PM
QuoteHe used Street Fighter as an example of a limited-time exclusive, and that was even less time than GTA, I think..
Originally posted by: mantidor
it isnt exclusive?
Post by: TrueNerd on May 30, 2006, 10:06:43 PM
Post by: Mario on May 31, 2006, 12:16:59 AM
Post by: ThePerm on May 31, 2006, 12:23:00 AM
Hoard lincoln terms this a Bloodbath. In the end you end up competing with too many titles and it hurts sales.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 31, 2006, 01:57:07 AM
It's after E3, and Sega still believes it. Cuz they're Sega.
W E L C O M E
T O T H E N E X T
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 31, 2006, 06:08:36 AM
Exclusives may sell better at times. On Nintendo in particular, if your game is exclusive, that seems to be a big pro. Would Viewtiful Joe or Tales of Symphonia sell as well as they did if they were released simultaneously on another system? Why did everyone seem to ignore TimeSplitters: Future Perfect and the Incredible Hulk last year when there was "nothing" to play? Both games had positive reviews.
The other reason for exclusives is that the console makers want them. Grand Theft Auto is an outstanding example, Sony was paying to make it a timed exclusive, and the weird thing is, you can bet Microsoft is now paying to make it not exclusive. (At least that's my understanding...I think the game is supposed to come out simultaneously on both systems? Maybe it's a 360 timed exclusive though...)
Post by: KDR_11k on May 31, 2006, 06:15:22 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 31, 2006, 07:25:53 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 31, 2006, 08:14:20 AM
Some exclusives, even on the number one console, are still special. It's games like Tales of Symphonia or Dead or Alive where it makes sense to release them on a less popular console because then they'll stand out. Deep down neither game would be considered at the top of their genre but on another console there isn't much for that genre so they stand out. Virtua Fighter is considered by hardcore fighting nuts to be THE fighting game, especially in Japan. So it already stands out. Putting it on the most likely market leader (at least prior to the price annoucement) makes sense because it will have the largest potential market and it's a big enough game that it can still stand out.
The exclusives that don't make sense are the mediocre titles that really offer nothing significant and thus get crushed by the big guns of the same genre. Of course there ARE tons of those too on the PS3. But for the really big titles PS3 exclusivity makes sense.
And exclusivity (or at least limited exclusivity) always makes more sense than being multiplatform. Consoles are like a sports team with diehard fans. There are certain games that everyone immediately thinks of when they think about a certain console. Ideally you want your game to be one of those titles. With a multiplatform game that doesn't happen. The game doesn't really stand out or get identified as being one of the key titles of a console. There is a big exception though for sports games and titles based on a licenced properties. In those cases the whole goal is to catch on to something hot and sell it within a limited period of time. In that case having it on every console imaginable makes sense because a movie game is only going to sell while that movie is in theatres and a sports game is only going to sell during the current season.
Post by: JonLeung on May 31, 2006, 10:03:16 AM
The Xbox and Xbox 360 have so many of their best (or at least most hyped) games on the PC. I've found this to typically be of the Western-developed games, and when Microsoft themselves also have a hand in the PC market (oh, look, Halo 2 is coming to Windows Vista...), it's not like they themselves see them as the same market. Maybe I'm of the minority but I don't mind playing a PC version of a game. All that the Xbox really has IMO is Tecmo, but a few of their games (or gawkfests) aren't enough to make me want to buy an Xbox/Xbox 360.
But it's true that even limited-time exclusives create a sense of what a console has got. Ask anybody and they'll tell you Final Fantasy goes with the PlayStation(s). But think about it...the first six games were originally on Nintendo systems. VII, VIII, and XI are also on the PC (and XI also on the Xbox 360). XII isn't out yet (I don't think). So of the main series FFs, there are currently only TWO true exclusives... IX and X. And though I personally liked IX, most "newschool" FF fans don't really talk about it, so it's really just X in their minds. Even adding XII into the mix, yay, that's just one more game. Sure, PlayStation(s) have spinoffs like FFX-2 and Tactics and various things related to VII, some Chocobo games (which FF fans probably think are too cutesy), and Kingdom Hearts, as well as remakes and rereleases, but there have been just as many or more spinoffs on Nintendo systems (Crystal Chronicles (and its upcoming Wii/DS sequels), Mystic Quest, Adventure, Legend (even if they're part of the Mana and SaGa series), some GBA Chocobo dice game, and everything remade/rereleased on the GBA (and III on the DS). (And now there will be a bunch of mobile phone games.) Point is, Sony =/= Square.
So just because FF VII wowed the world like ten years ago, (and everyone forgot that it came out on the PC later and don't know how to count as it is,) people will always associate FF with the PlayStation (despite there being only two or three true FF games exclusively on them). That probably won't change until someone else gets a new main-series FF game. (FF XI on the Xbox 360 is barely "main-series" and it's not new.)
Post by: The Omen on May 31, 2006, 01:01:51 PM
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It's after E3, and Sega still believes it. Cuz they're Sega.
Exactly. lol...don't lose sleep over the meandering minds at Sega. They are about as clueless as a company can be, and have been since the 16 bit wars.
Post by: Garnee on May 31, 2006, 05:46:08 PM
Post by: ThePerm on May 31, 2006, 07:20:12 PM
burn
Post by: Arbok on June 01, 2006, 09:02:30 AM
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structureing is spelled structuring...
burn
The point behind Garnee's post clearly flew straight over your head...
Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2006, 07:47:47 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 02, 2006, 08:48:13 AM
Not that it's going to happen, just saying.
Post by: Arbok on June 02, 2006, 08:57:56 AM
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I believe that game systems should be like DVD players. They all play the same game, you just pick the system based on the quality of the hardware, or the price.
The problem is that tech is still improving constantly, something like that won't happen until basic technology related to games hits a ceiling where there is no longer room for improvment. When that happens then there might be a unified system format.
What you talk about is basically how the PC game market runs, and look at that? Users have to constantly update hardware just to be able to play the latest releases, which if you ask me is far worse then the current console manner of playing games.
Post by: vudu on June 02, 2006, 09:14:26 AM
Post by: ThePerm on June 03, 2006, 12:24:14 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 03, 2006, 01:15:26 PM
Post by: JonLeung on June 05, 2006, 09:32:53 AM
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lol what will games be like in 2015?
Didn't you see Back To The Future: Part II?
We'll be too busy flying around on our hoverboards and watching 3D movies to play video games.
