Post by: JonLeung on May 30, 2006, 10:08:06 AM
I can't remember if it's been confirmed (especially since it sounds like they keep changing things) if the PS3 will be able to play PlayStation and PlayStation 2 titles. >_<
My brother wants to play a few PS2 games - namely the Square-Enix games, and maybe Soul Calibur III - and was considering a PS2. "I was like, pfff, I don't want a PS2, but if you need one, save up for a PS3." But of course that was before the price was revealed, and I'm still assuming backwards compatibility. Which is pretty much one of the only things going for it at all...if it doesn't have that then it's definitely not worth it.
Otherwise, he may consider a PS2slim. (Why aren't they called PSTwos, like the redesigned PSXes called PSOnes?)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 30, 2006, 12:48:42 PM
Get the PS2 Slim Jim.
In California, the sales tax alone on a $600 PS3 amounts to price of Soul Calibur III.
=D
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 30, 2006, 02:45:58 PM
BTW: Soul Calibur 3 is a huge dissapointment compared to SC1 and SC2.
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2006, 06:28:16 PM
I seriously can't believe it.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 31, 2006, 06:17:57 AM
My philosophy...well, it's to not buy other systems. But if I was going to buy a second system, I'd probably wait until it's cheap. You could buy a new PS2 plus probably all of the games you're interested in for the same price as the PS3.
Post by: JonLeung on June 01, 2006, 10:06:38 AM
A couple years ago my brother bought a Dreamcast pretty much for Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 and Shenmue...and it came with a bunch of other Dreamcast games. I think we only finished MvC 2 (and somehow lost our save) and Space Channel 5, though. I've been meaning to get into RE:CV and Ikaruga, actually...
If my brother got a PS2 after all I'd probably just want to play FF X and FF XII, and likely also the Kingdom Hearts games. Maybe FF X-2. I've played the first nine FFs (more than most FF "fans" can actually say) so I might as well continue my streak, though FF XI doesn't interest me much. Too bad FF isn't as good as it used to be, but I'd still play them.
Other than FF stuff, most other stuff on the PS2 seems too generic, doesn't interest me, or has a PC version which I likely have played already. Maybe MK: Armageddon would be something to check out, and my brother wants Soul Calibur III like I mentioned before...but it's still not enough to make me desperately NEED a PS2, or I would've gotten one already. I guess there are quite a few RPGs other than the FF ones that I could also consider...but still...
When you reduce game libraries to what you would actually consider playing, it doesn't matter how large the whole library really is.
Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2006, 01:15:39 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 01, 2006, 02:32:20 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 01, 2006, 04:04:55 PM
So you are realistically looking at spending a nice: $700.00 for a new PS3 and 1 single game to play. Just one single game!!!
Way to go Sony. I don't care how good it is. That music you hear is the sound of death. Your own death...arriving before you were even born.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 01, 2006, 04:55:26 PM
California (8.25% sales tax at worst, i believe; my county is 7.375%):
$600 ps3
$60 ps3 game
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$660 before tax
x 1.0825 tax increase
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$714.45 total cost
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 02, 2006, 04:36:09 AM
And for the BC of the PS3, as far as I know the PS3 is BC for the PS and PS2, but that you can't use either memory cards from PS or PS2, so really what is the point.
I don't want to start over when I am halfway through FFXII just so I can play it on PS3. It's a real waste of my time invested in a game, any game to have to start over just to play it again.
It's not like I am buying a second version of FFXII on a different system like the GCN where the memory cards are not compatible in the first place.
This is just another example of Sony not getting it.
[edit] said cold instead of cost, lol, don't know where that came from. :P
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 02, 2006, 10:09:41 AM
Post by: nickmitch on June 02, 2006, 05:07:14 PM
$660 PS3+Game.
x 1.09 adding tax
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$719.40 total
I could buy, two Wiis, and three games and still have money left over with that. (Assuming $249.99 ie highest possible price point.)
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 02, 2006, 05:36:39 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 02, 2006, 05:57:14 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 02, 2006, 06:35:35 PM
I may have done my typing wrong, but what both you (prof) and tvman have written is 1.0825 and 1.09 respectively, which amounts to 1.08 per dollar and 1.09 again respectively instead of just 8 1/4 and 9 cents per dollar.
Post by: KnowsNothing on June 02, 2006, 06:45:16 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 02, 2006, 07:09:28 PM
The factor 1.00 accounts for the product cost, aka subtotal.
The factor 0.0825 covers the additional cost of tax.
(subtotal * tax rate) + subtotal = total cost
factor out the subtotal,
subtotal * (tax rate + 1) = total cost
Convert Cali's tax rate to decimals then add 1, shazaaam = 1.0825
ASSociative property! whooooooooo
[is it really associative? HELL IF I REMEMBER!]
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 02, 2006, 07:27:24 PM
Quoteoh well, about that much is what I would've to pay if I bought one here..... (another reason I don't want a PS3
Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
what is with x 1.09 for tax? I hope you mean it as one .09 %, because 1.09% is more than the system and one game combined, with a grand total of 1,379.36, and that kind of tax is o_O
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 03, 2006, 04:14:24 AM
But I have so far for just this year alone (actually it is a little bit more because I haven't accounted for eveything I bought yet), I have spent $247.70 just on sales tax.
Post by: wandering on June 03, 2006, 10:25:40 AM
The PS3 is backwards compatable. But, like the Xbox 360 and unlike the ps2, the backwards compatablity will be through software emulation only. Unlike the Xbox 360, though, Sony is saying almost every game will be playable. ...which I'll believe when I see it.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 03, 2006, 12:57:43 PM
Post by: oohhboy on June 03, 2006, 09:23:08 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 03, 2006, 09:34:19 PM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
and then lets talk about the controller. Is Sony going to have all ps1 and ps2 games play off the ps3 controller? Because that was a problem with BC on the ps2, you can play Castlevania: SotN on ps2, but you have to use a ps1 controller. So I am curious as to what sony is going to do about this, because if ps1 and ps2 memory cards don't work, I don't suspect that controllers from the previous two will work either.
Could get interesting without force feedback for PS2 games.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Ymeegod on June 04, 2006, 02:46:32 AM
That's still like $400 less than any current blu-ray player :0.
Nintendo's still pretty quite about it's pricing (hear rumors ranging from $150-250) but it's lacking power--I wouldn't have minded another $100 or so for a updated graphics card (so it's more compareable to MS's current 360 console).
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 04, 2006, 12:48:33 PM
So the $500 ps3 is a "cheaper" BRD player that... doesn't do what BRD is meant to do.
Werd.
Post by: Artimus on June 04, 2006, 12:58:40 PM
Of course I won't be paying that because I'm not a moron and wont but the system. But still!!
Post by: IceCold on June 04, 2006, 05:30:51 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on June 05, 2006, 03:33:39 PM
I'd save around $50 alone, that I'll make up for in gas prices.
Post by: Syl on June 05, 2006, 03:56:43 PM
^PS3 might be using PS2 hardware for backwards compability.
Good news: Everything that plays on the PS2 should work fine. (Hell, i might even have a small chance of being able to use my HDloader)
Bad news: No plausible upgrading of the game to run at higher resolutions.
Still, far better option than the 360 is using.
Post by: capamerica on June 05, 2006, 04:30:07 PM
You might as well just stick with a PS2 Slim at least that way you don't have to restart all your old games again.
If anything it feels like Sony will be in the same boat as MS when it comes to BC.
With the PS3, Sure you can play your old games, but they will look the same as they did on the PS2 and you will have to start them all over again
With the Xbox, Sure you can only play a few, but with out Memory card support you have to start them all over again, So whats the point? But at least with the Xbox you get a graphic update.
If not having the PS2 built in could have cut $100 off the PS3 I would have been fine with Sony following the same path as MS with BC.
Post by: Syl on June 05, 2006, 05:04:05 PM
I am very glad with this. However, the lack of ports and memory card compability is still something that confuses me. With the already exuberent price of the PS3, and with keeping the hardware the same - i think the extra few bucks would be very, very well used.
Of course, i'm in the minority with the fact that i'll be keeping my PS2 hooked up regardless of the backwards compatibility of the PS3, simply because I have a modded PS2 with some rather.... appetizing.... features that i won't ever want to give up.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 05, 2006, 05:21:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Here in the other part of California, we have 7.25% tax. Good amount though still too high. I think I might think about going up to Oregon that week to visit my friend and not pay any sales tax at all.
Well, if California is anything like Maryland, they expect you to pay sales tax on whatever you bring in state that you didn't pay sales tax on in another state. It works on the honor system.
Post by: Louieturkey on June 06, 2006, 06:44:37 PM
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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Well, if California is anything like Maryland, they expect you to pay sales tax on whatever you bring in state that you didn't pay sales tax on in another state. It works on the honor system.
Never heard of that before. CA is too big that most people won't leave to a place like Oregon anyways. I don't think we even have that law anyways.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 06, 2006, 08:47:35 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on June 07, 2006, 07:23:51 AM
