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Post by: wandering on May 17, 2006, 12:35:49 PM
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In April, Igararashi. told Nintendo Power that he "really likethe controller" and "if the time allows and if [Wii] is well-received, then [he] would love to work on it." It's currently unknown if Igarashi's opinion of the Wii or desire to develop for the machine changed with large money hats from Sony.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on May 17, 2006, 12:40:11 PM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 17, 2006, 01:32:32 PM
The truth is, if Nintendo's Wii takes off developers and publishers will make anything for the system.
Do you really think Nintendo Wii couldn't handle and figure out a pretty amazing control scheme for games like:
Castlevania (3D, but 2D could work as well.)
Grand Theft Auto
Final Fantasy
Virtua Fighter (Hey I believe 3D fighting games could become incredibly cool with the new controller.)
Soul Caliber (Really this is begging for a Wii version of the game.)
Devil May Cry
These comments mean nothing right now. Let's wait and see what happens within a year. It took that long for the DS to gain popularity, and now you are seeing some pretty inventive ways to play mainstream games on the system...and it rocks.
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Post by: The Omen on May 17, 2006, 03:53:48 PM
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You can bet if it were Sony who created the Wii's type of controller and setup for the PS3 that he would be singing its praises and wouldn't hesitate to translate his series to take full advantage of this new type of control.
Sony did create the Wii's controller...didn't you hear? They 'thought about' that same idea in 1994.
Konami has pissed me off since about 1994, so I would hardly expect anything but stupidity from them...oh, and a few Disney games.
Post by: nemo_83 on May 17, 2006, 04:20:15 PM
That's just how it sounds to me. Castlevania on Wii makes more sense than any HD console with an interface that has proven to make 3D Castlevanias in the past suck balls honestly. This makes no sense when some of the best selling games on DS and GBA (which are no doubt aimed at less mature/core audiences than Wii).
Post by: The Omen on May 17, 2006, 05:39:33 PM
The funny thing is Konami could make a 2D Castlevania for download on the VC, just like the GBA or DS games, and it would sell like hot cakes. They just aren't thinking out of the box, sadly. Argh they're so f'n dumb!
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Post by: KDR_11k on May 18, 2006, 03:24:41 AM
why doesnt anybody make a rip off game of castelvania caled Vamperia?
They did. Okay, so they didn't call it Vamperia.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 18, 2006, 04:26:44 AM
Koji Igarashi: Can you workout for an hour, and keep on whipping? I'm very interested in the Wii hardware, and I'm attending a Nintendo presentation in Japan, as well as a Nintendo press conference this week. I realize that the Wii market is casual gamers, that are looking forward to a short game experience and I hardly doubt that with the Castlevania style, they'll all sit down and want to play for multiple hours or even a day. Also, I just really can't think of any good ideas. My thought is that a Castlevania game doesn't fit very well with it unfortunately. But maybe when I go back to Japan I might come up with some brilliant idea, and I'll try to think of the possibilities.
Meh he tries to claim its because we won't want to play a long game on the system, but the truth is he just doesn't have any ideas, personally I can think of quite a few ideas right off the top of my head.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 18, 2006, 04:41:11 AM
The comment he made makes me think that he is afraid to try anything new.
His last two console Castlevania's have been major dissapointments, but I guess he's okay with that. He proven twice now that either Castlevania just doesn't work in 3D, or that he completely lacks the ability to make a 3D Castlevania, take your pick.
He thinks that just because the PS2 has the larger userbase that that equals large sales. If that is so, then why did both of his PS2 (and 1 Xbox port) fail to burn up the charts? Because they were not all that great. LoI was too linear, and CoD was too slow, felt like the character was trudging through molasses.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 18, 2006, 05:41:25 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 18, 2006, 06:00:52 AM
He lacks the creativity to appreciate the Wii.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 18, 2006, 06:18:25 AM
Perhaps with the special items actually throwing axes and crosses would work...but simple is better than complex.
Too bad the game won't be made until Wii is kicking Sony's butt.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 18, 2006, 07:03:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Avinash_Tyagi
Then why doesn't he come up with one?
He lacks the creativity to appreciate the Wii.
In the quote you posted he said that he's interested in the Wii and that he'll keep trying to think of something.
Post by: EasyCure on May 18, 2006, 07:26:33 AM
(nunchuck)
movement: control stick (duh)
z1: lock on (ala zelda)
z2: special weapons (like axe, cross, holy water, etc)
(wii-mote)
A: jump
B: whip
D-pad: spells or something...honestly i haven't played a castlevania game since Super Castlevania
now heres the fun part, the implimentation(sp?) of motion controls!
-hold the B (whip) button down while motioning a circle in front of you and your character can swing his whip around for a radial attack.
-hold b button down and do a whipping motion to latch your whip onto either a grappling point or an enemy, then depending on the situation you could:
-(grappling point): cock the wiimote back and your character tugs at the whip as if to secure it then swing from point a to point b. or...
-(enemy): pull back on the nunchuck to pull the enemy towards you*
*i picture this move being context sensitive. say theres a run of the mill zombie, when you grapple them with a whip it could wrap around their feet, you pull on the whip and drop them on their back where you could finish them off with you weapon on z2. hell have a zelda like over the shoulder aiming where you can throw a knife into their head with some precision, that would be so much fun!. the other scenario i picture is say theres a HUGE bigger enemy in front of you, like a giant statue come to life (okay i dont even know if this is such an enemy in castlevania, just humor me) and instead of wrapping your whip around its feet you wrap it around their neck and pull on the whip to bring them falling forward, or decapitate them.
now im no genious but i think those were some pretty clever ways to make castlevania feel new and creative wihle retaining what makes it castlevania in the first place. what do you guys think? im sure you could come up with something way cooler, especially since most of you have probably played more castlevania games than i have.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 18, 2006, 09:12:21 AM
I think the player should be capable of aiming in any way he wants.
As for bringing it down to hit it, I'd say you swing up and start hitting it into the head that way.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 18, 2006, 10:02:15 AM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83 That's just how it sounds to me. Castlevania on Wii makes more sense than any HD console with an interface that has proven to make 3D Castlevanias in the past suck balls honestly. This makes no sense when some of the best selling games on DS and GBA (which are no doubt aimed at less mature/core audiences than Wii).
Funny you mention that...
The same day a friend of mine rented the PS2 Castlevania and played it, he said it sucked and sucked badly. I then handed him my DS with Dawn of Sorrow on it and after playing it he said, "THIS is the Castlevania I WANTED."
Yeah, this is a money hat situation, but since CV has done so badly in 3D, I think the moneyhat was poorly distributed.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 18, 2006, 11:04:39 AM
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Originally posted by: Avinash_Tyagi Koji Igarashi: Can you workout for an hour, and keep on whipping? I'm very interested in the Wii hardware, and I'm attending a Nintendo presentation in Japan, as well as a Nintendo press conference this week. I realize that the Wii market is casual gamers, that are looking forward to a short game experience and I hardly doubt that with the Castlevania style, they'll all sit down and want to play for multiple hours or even a day. Also, I just really can't think of any good ideas. My thought is that a Castlevania game doesn't fit very well with it unfortunately. But maybe when I go back to Japan I might come up with some brilliant idea, and I'll try to think of the possibilities.
This sounds absolutely riddled with excuses.
Short game experience? What? Castlevania can be played in short spurts via means of save points. If this wasn't possible, it would have made the DS version impossible to deal with.
Directly translated: "We got paid to make it PS3 exclusive."
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 18, 2006, 01:31:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Avinash_Tyagi
Then why doesn't he come up with one?
He lacks the creativity to appreciate the Wii.
In the quote you posted he said that he's interested in the Wii and that he'll keep trying to think of something.
He said that he might get an idea, but really it sounded more like lip service than anything else.
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Post by: EasyCure on May 19, 2006, 07:00:45 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
i picture this move being context sensitive. say theres a run of the mill zombie, when you grapple them with a whip it could wrap around their feet
I think the player should be capable of aiming in any way he wants.
As for bringing it down to hit it, I'd say you swing up and start hitting it into the head that way.
i do too, but i figured that aiming at parts of an enemies body would be too much work for this guy to deal with so i simplified it for him because he can't think of ideas. geez im talking as if he'll even see this. i won't get my hopes up for a castlevania game because if he even is interested, you know he's going to take the "wait and see" approach with Wii, while he shovels crap into the ps3 thinking it will be an instand hit
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 19, 2006, 07:19:11 AM
How many Castlevanias have there been lately in which the whip was the primary weapon? Dawn of Sorrow had zero whipping in it but many melee weapons and magical spells, including seals which could likewise be traced with the Wiimote.
Post by: Frozen Atlantic on May 19, 2006, 07:27:17 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 19, 2006, 07:42:01 AM
There's no reason for it to be the primary weapon, however.
Post by: Frozen Atlantic on May 19, 2006, 07:44:34 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 19, 2006, 08:54:38 AM
There's no reason we couldn't have Julius with other weapons and only using the whip under certain circumstances or situations. Hell, they could use the nunchuck to crack the whip or catch something with it.
But again, Igarashi's excuses are just that: excuses. Everyone in the world, developer or not, can't seem to STOP coming up with ideas for the Wiimote and this guy "can't think of anything"? BS...
Post by: KDR_11k on May 19, 2006, 11:58:16 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on May 20, 2006, 01:10:11 AM
You would whip with the remote and on screen the whip would react exactly as you swing it, no prerecorded actions. I would make the game center around a large open world like in Zelda with the final dungeon being Castle Dracula itself.
The analog stick would side step and run. The camera would be controlled with the remote until you hold B to swing the whip (or whatever weapon you have equiped). Of course A button would be jump. Like was said earlier, C would be lockon, and maybe Z would be quick secondary weapon. Dpad could be quick items or quick spells I guess, it really depends on the direction of the game. There could be an item (like the wand in Wind Waker) that is used specifically for spells (and spell combat), think Eternal Darkness meets the recent Vania DS game. You would target a surface (a boulder) and then draw a spell on its surface with blood and be able to move it by pointing it to where you want it. Just an example.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 20, 2006, 06:57:16 AM
A problem I see with Julius is that AoS is playing in 2035 and he saved the world in 1999. He'd be a lot younger in his own game and that'd suck. He's 56 in DoS, he'd be 19 in his own game.
Post by: nemo_83 on May 21, 2006, 12:31:27 PM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2006, 06:24:39 AM
Then if you want to have a few (read very few) whip commands that you can activate with motion sensor then do that. Kinda like Mario's spin, you can shake the wiimote and press A to do a 360 Whip attack. Press A and hold A then push the forward and Backward to do a flurry of whips in that single direction.
The Trigger Button could be used for special items. It would be cool to choose the trajectory you throw the Holy Water, and the strength to be able to throw it far or short.
The Cross Boomerang needs to act like Zelda's Boomerang with lock on...and perhaps multiple Lock on.
This game could easily be made and be very enjoyable...but first people have to think outside of the box.
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