Post by: Smash_Brother on May 17, 2006, 09:59:47 AM
So, yes, you can expect the graphics to be better.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2006, 10:00:40 AM
cause its been mentioned more than once
Post by: cubist on May 17, 2006, 10:01:20 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on May 17, 2006, 10:13:52 AM
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Don't get your hopes up in terms of graphics...
You know something we don't?
What this confirms is that there are still many hardware secrets left to be unveiled.
This also proves that all hardware and software at E3 were NOT final, meaning that any problems, bugs and glitches that surfaced during the demos are likely to get fixed.
So there's still hope for Zelda TP Wii, Evan
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Post by: stevey on May 17, 2006, 10:16:20 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 17, 2006, 10:20:38 AM
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We already knew that
cause its been mentioned more than once
Yes, but it deserves its own thread.
This explains why there was a clear graphical difference between Red Steel on Ubi's demo and RS on the floor (or they're doctoring it).
Post by: ShyGuy on May 17, 2006, 11:04:00 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 17, 2006, 11:16:20 AM
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Um their not really gamecube, IWATA took and placed a "facehuger" (read: put more ram inside) in the cube and now they're wii(dev-kit) inside of the cube shell and soon wii brust out of the cube(read: get replace by real wii) and then bring forth a revolution!!!
Well not quite, its an upgraded GC, but still weaker than what the final Wii hardware will be.
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Don't get your hopes up in terms of graphics...
Yea and no, don't expect a massive leap, but expect an improvement, not only in graphics, but also in hardware quality, as in fewer bugs and glitches.
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I hear Mario Galaxy still looked gorgeous though, so what gives?
Well it might even look better come release
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2006, 11:27:12 AM
Post by: Ceric on May 17, 2006, 11:31:49 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2006, 11:50:39 AM
Of course not! Nintendo would be able to get FREE Gamecubes.
I don't really care if this is true or not. I've pretty much gotten used to the fact that the Wii is a Gamecube 1.5 with a new controller. I'm just hoping that the price reflects that.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 17, 2006, 12:40:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Pale DON'T EXPECT MARIO GALAXY TO LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT DID AT E3! Same goes for Prime.
Actually, Retro said that one of the prime (sorry) aspects of the game they're working on will be graphics up until launch.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 17, 2006, 12:43:15 PM
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2006, 01:07:33 PM
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Um their not really gamecube, IWATA took and placed a "facehuger" (read: put more ram inside) in the cube and now they're wii(dev-kit) inside of the cube shell and soon wii brust out of the cube(read: get replace by real wii) and then bring forth a revolution!!!
Ahaha. But I agree with Pale...Cube cases are actually larger than Wiis, so there's no reason to think the kits on the show floor were overly underpowered compared to the final versdions.
With that said, the one thing I'm really hoping for is for the graphical gap between first and third party titles to close somewhat. And I think Nintendo has sort-of implied that that will happen (saying that 3rd partiy games won't look as good because they haven't had near-final kits for very long), so, yeah.
Post by: mac<censored> on May 17, 2006, 02:07:35 PM
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Ahaha. But I agree with Pale...Cube cases are actually larger than Wiis, so there's no reason to think the kits on the show floor were overly underpowered compared to the final versdions.
There's really no justification for "agreeing" with either side at this point -- so far everything said has been completely and utter guesswork with no apparent factual basis. The wii's graphics could be gamecube * 1.0001, they could be gamecube * 10.
Post by: cubist on May 17, 2006, 02:53:21 PM
As someone has already stated...I'm more concerned about the price point...and how I'm going to budget to get 4 Wii-Motes (w/ Nunchuks) and 5 games at launch...with everything going WiFi...
Post by: couchmonkey on May 18, 2006, 05:52:30 AM
1. We've seen some graphics, and they weren't that much of an improvement.
2. Developers have agreed that estimates of 2-3 times as much power are about right. In fact some said 1.5-2 times.
3. Nintendo has stated time and time again that it wants the system to be cheap to develop for - a big part of that is not requiring ever-increasing armies of artists.
Personally, I think the graphics already look better than the GameCube (in most cases). I'd be happy if they improve even more, but I think it would be really optimistic to expect the remaining improvement to be as big as the improvement we've already seen.
Post by: Mario on May 18, 2006, 05:54:52 AM
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I hear Mario Galaxy still looked gorgeous though, so what gives?
I heard a rumor that gorgeous GameCube games exist.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 18, 2006, 06:28:31 AM
Actually, they were Wii systems.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 18, 2006, 08:03:52 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 19, 2006, 12:19:41 PM
In a nutshell: Wii hardware in Gamecube cases. It wasn't "Final" hardware, but it was representative.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 19, 2006, 01:06:17 PM
Post by: BigJim on May 19, 2006, 01:48:21 PM
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So basically the final graphics and hardware qualtity will be a bit higher than the E3 stuff, good.
The demos were Wii hardware in Cube enclosures. That's not directly indicative of better graphics to come.
Post by: Nephilim on May 19, 2006, 02:42:49 PM
u could even see the ubisoft lady, pressing a key on the keyboard when he played
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on May 19, 2006, 03:07:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Avinash_Tyagi
So basically the final graphics and hardware qualtity will be a bit higher than the E3 stuff, good.
The demos were Wii hardware in Cube enclosures. That's not directly indicative of better graphics to come.
In the article Nintendo acknowledges that the Wiicubes at E3 were not final hardware, probably similar to Wii Dev kits, and a few places have noted that the ATI GPU hasn't yet been finalized, now i'm not saying the jump will be big, but I think i'd be safe in saying we'll notice a graphical bump come launch.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 19, 2006, 06:53:13 PM
Post by: Crimm on May 19, 2006, 07:20:09 PM
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The DS games in Square Enix's booth were on dev kits too - with a big fat wire sticking out from the cartridge slot.
That reminds me of the PSPs at E3 2004 (I think). All the PSPs actually did was display and take input. Everything related to processing was done in a computer in the display stand. If I recall Sony denied that for a while.
Post by: King of Twitch on May 19, 2006, 11:23:42 PM
